Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
Pray allow me to ask: how so?
The reason people hate FF7 for being so popular is that because of its popularity its basically the only game in the series that gets attention with sequels, prequels, movies etc. This leads to jealously because their favorite games aren't receiving all these extra bonuses and attention. This causes people to shout, "FFVII sucks! Its so overrated! Why isn't --insert favorite game here-- given as much attention as FFVII!"

So, the popularity fuels jealousy, which causes anger. Ultimately leading to FFVII bashing.

Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
Lots of FFs did that. In fact, pretty much all of them did that...
There's a different between minor changes and adding on to what has already been done, and changing something to be totally different.

Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I get the emotion too! But I also get emotion when 'Succession of Witches' plays, or 'To Zanarkand' or 'Symphonic Poem Hope' or 'You're not alone.' Each Final Fantasy I've played has music which cues the emotions. Personally, I find that FFIX does it the most for me, but they all definitely do it. And they were doing it before VII as well.
The music isn't why I said FFVII was innovative . I mentioned it as just another reason that makes the game good.

Sure, the music doesn't make it better than the other games, but my point was that the music is probably equal to the other games and is far better than an average musical score for a videogame.

Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
Well, I've always prefered the class system myself, so I dont see that system as being particularly great. I dont think it was really more innovative than VIII's battle system or XII's battle system anyway.
I don't think you understand the meaning of innovation. FF8 and FF12's battle systems were BASED ON and created BECAUSE of FF7 starting that TREND. That is what innovation means. So yes, it was innovative because it was the FIRST in the series to do that, and caused games afterwards to continue that same system.

This innovation, by being the first, showcases the influence FFVII had over the series.

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Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
I'm glad you enjoyed it. However it seemed recycled to me. Empire A is doing bad things so Resistance Group B has to stop it. Then they added such things to make the story more complex and seem refreshing.
Everything is recycled to some degree. But I feel FF7 gets more flack than other FFs for having a "recyceled" storyline. When in reality, everything is recycled to some degree, if you look hard enough. It just so happens people tend to look harder at FF7. :rolleyes2

Also, I don't think any Final Fantasy has as much of a connection and back-story between the main character and the opponents. Also, the futuristic story and world is vastly different than the previous stories in the series. True innovation.

Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
IV, V[B] and VI's graphics were beautiful, even if they were only 16-bit. VII seemed dirty to me because everything was so dark and crude. Many of the environments were drawn backgrounds that were then programmed where you could and couldn't go.
Not liking what the graphics showcased doesn't necessarily mean the graphics themselves were bad. For example, I may not like the way a Coach bag looks, but I can't deny its quality.

The dark and crude feel was what added to the world and ambiance of FF7. It was the first in the series to have a more realistic, modern world. With this innovation, comes a more dirty look and feel. The point was that the times in FF7 were hard, and I think the graphics and environment showcased and captivated that message perfectly.

Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
This seemed like blasphemy when it had first come out. Final Fantasy was always medieval with just a touch of the future. I did eventually grow out of this mind-set though, and fell in love with it. This game did allow me to enjoy VIII more.
The point of the futuristic world was because the storylines were becoming too recycled and people were beginning to get bored. The series needed a new direction, and it got just that with FF7's innovation.

Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
This does come down to personal opinion. But there are more people that like IV, V and VI's music better. People are saying it anyway.
I don't know if MORE people like the music from those FF's better. But I realize many people do.

Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
So you're saying I'm just argueing with bunch of twelve-year-olds?
Nope, I'm just saying FF7, unlike many of the other games, has widespread appeal to all different age groups, which is also what led to its success.

Quote Originally Posted by Yaridovich
Yes, it can be considered overrated. I just did it.
Well, I disagree. Obviously.