Quote Originally Posted by DK View Post
The Backstreet Boys were sure as hell influential for all the music that dominated radio for quite a few years, but that doesn't mean it was innovative.

In the strict sense of the word which Magixion introduced to this thread, influence, or impact thereafter, has nothing to do with innovation, although I'm sure most of us consider it an important aspect in our own personal meaning of the word.
This still comes off like you're confusing innovation for originality. Innovation is more like bringing something to the table that is a new take on an idea brought about through thinking, experimentation and growth, rather than something entirely new altogether. It remains a fact that Halo 3 put a buttload of ideas together in one game in an extremely functional and easy to use way on a format that it has never been achieved at the scale Halo 3 does it at before. That, to me, is innovation.
That's why I will concede that it has brought some new and good stuff to the table.

Quote Originally Posted by unfinished fantasy
it's not ignorant bs, it's a fact that keyboard & mouse allows far greater (/laughably better) control in fps games. Therefor it's pretty valid argument against taking console-fps players seriously on the matter of fps gameplay and various aspects of it.
When I played Unreal Tournament III for the ps3, I was glad as hell that they allowed for keyboard & mouse functionality. But after a while I saw that the controller can be fun, too, and I actually prefer it sometimes. I do actually believe most controller-FPS's suck, but when it's done right, it's done right.