So much for water fuel being a thing of the "future"....

[Big D]

And Btw, Hydrogen cars existed 10 years ago, so its hardly anything new.

But let me tell you a hard fact.

The electrolyse(seperation of hydrogen and oxygen, don't know the english word) takes up more energy than can be gained from recombining them in an Hydrogen fueled car.

This means, my friends, that it is, like in the early stages of solar panels, a waste of time implimenting it now.

Water we have enough, but weren't we trying to save energy?

And yes, I know these things, I worked at the building in NY state where they research these cells.

Well then, we'd better not try to develop this technology and improve on it. 'Cause we all know, devices never get more efficient and more practical if you spend time and effort on making them better... If we can't make it perfect the first time around, then we shouldn't try to make it at all.

[Aerith's Knight]

And Btw, Hydrogen cars existed 10 years ago, so its hardly anything new.

But let me tell you a hard fact.

The electrolyse(seperation of hydrogen and oxygen, don't know the english word) takes up more energy than can be gained from recombining them in an Hydrogen fueled car.

This means, my friends, that it is, like in the early stages of solar panels, a waste of time implimenting it now.

Water we have enough, but weren't we trying to save energy?

And yes, I know these things, I worked at the building in NY state where they research these cells.

Well then, we'd better not try to develop this technology and improve on it. 'Cause we all know, devices never get more efficient and more practical if you spend time and effort on making them better... If we can't make it perfect the first time around, then we shouldn't try to make it at all.

Try to read there, Big D, if you think it's possible for you.

I said Impliment.. and I meant it on a large scale.

Of course if that word is too hard for you, I suggest you look it up.

The quote on early solar panel research, that is being implimented at the moment seems totally lost on you too, so I shouldn't expect too much of you.

And while you're at it, try to find the word "now".

[Awrini]

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[Big D]

Try to read there, Big D, if you think it's possible for you.

I said Impliment.. and I meant it on a large scale.

Of course if that word is too hard for you, I suggest you look it up.

The quote on early solar panel research, that is being implimented at the moment seems totally lost on you too, so I shouldn't expect too much of you.

And while you're at it, try to find the word "now".

Ooh, touchy.

It's only by implementing - that is, manufacturing and utilising - the technology that we'll keep making advances on it. Certainly this can't be done on a big scale - the infrastructure's not there, nor the level of advancement needed for it to be a worthwhile and productive venture. The energy-intensive process of carrying out electrolysis on hydrogen (you got the right word, by the way) is indeed a huge obstacle to making fuel cell cars a practicable alternative at this stage. However, I see few compelling reasons why they couldn't eventually be (for instance) power stations devoted solely to electrolysing seawater into into its constituents, for use as fuel in vehicles. As for the safety of hydrogen... again, another strong reason for not trying to rush into a new technology too early. But again, something that'll improve, given a sufficient investment of time, money and resources. After all, we all drive cars that carry tanks full of combustible, carcinogenic petroleum; we'd just be substituting one danger for another.

I see the whole process as analogous to the first internal-combustion engines: messy, inefficient, unleashed on a world that lacked the means to make them a sensible and affordable choice for the majority. They caught on, though, as they got better and cheaper, and there were more engineers capable of servicing them.

Personally, I reckon that an awesome and exciting step would be to learn something from the past, and revive the use of Zeppelins as long-distance transports. Sure, they're slow and have relatively small passenger capacities; but nonetheless, they're beautiful and stately and could likely be run at a minimal fuel cost, compared to today's airliners. The balloon keeps itself aloft; the only energy needed is to make it move in the right direction, and stand still as required. Now, before anyone mentions the Hindenburg: Zeppelins were intended to carry helium or hydrogen. The Hindenburg only carried hydrogen because the US was reluctant to sell Helium to Germany, fearing it might be used in weapons of war once again. But I digress. If we could bring back and improve on the greatest of airship designs from the past, we could once again see utterly safe and (relatively) clean air transport. The only hurdles would be the initial setup cost of building something new from scratch, and convincing a scientifically-illiterate general public that helium balloons are incombustible.

[Momiji]

Hydrogen. Blimp.

Paradox? I THINK SO

Yep.

I don't believe this, and if it really is real, how much do you want to bet A) it will never be safe and B) the price of water will skyrocket?

[bipper]

And Btw, Hydrogen cars existed 10 years ago, so its hardly anything new.

But let me tell you a hard fact.

The electrolyse(seperation of hydrogen and oxygen, don't know the english word) takes up more energy than can be gained from recombining them in an Hydrogen fueled car.

This means, my friends, that it is, like in the early stages of solar panels, a waste of time implimenting it now.

Water we have enough, but weren't we trying to save energy?

And yes, I know these things, I worked at the building in NY state where they research these cells.

Well then, we'd better not try to develop this technology and improve on it. 'Cause we all know, devices never get more efficient and more practical if you spend time and effort on making them better... If we can't make it perfect the first time around, then we shouldn't try to make it at all.

Try to read there, Big D, if you think it's possible for you.

I said Impliment.. and I meant it on a large scale.

Of course if that word is too hard for you, I suggest you look it up.

The quote on early solar panel research, that is being implimented at the moment seems totally lost on you too, so I shouldn't expect too much of you.

And while you're at it, try to find the word "now".

Well, AK, they once said the same thing about diesel compression. Hell; internal combustion was at one time considered inferior to the classing steam engine. Chemistry is all about finding the perfect reaction, refining ways to get the same reaction, and improve on it's efficiency.

chemistry is prolly the biggest science where it disproves more of it's own road blocks every year.

[Old Manus]

But then ecofags won't have anything to moan and whinge about!

[Spawn of Sephiroth]

My buddy has designed a water fueled engine for his lawn mower that actually works and right now he is trying to make one for his car.

[demondude]

My buddy has designed a water fueled engine for his lawn mower that actually works and right now he is trying to make one for his car.

Are you sure?

[Madame Adequate]

Hydrogen. Blimp.

Paradox? I THINK SO

Yep.

I don't believe this, and if it really is real, how much do you want to bet A) it will never be safe and B) the price of water will skyrocket?

Uh... please tell me about the cars you guys are driving that do not involve large tanks full of flammable, volatile, explosive gasoline.

[Yamaneko]

I really just want to drink my own urine.

[bipper]

I really just want to drink my own urine.

wrong thread

[Yamaneko]

You know what's crazy? A movie studio funded one of the biggest box office blunders in the history of cinema and all I remember from the whole thing was that the main dude drank his piss. Talk about a wasteful investment just to introduce piss-drinking into the national psyche.

[Quindiana Jones]

But then ecofags won't have anything to moan and whinge about!

They can still moan about people eating animals and stuff.

[bipper]

You know what's crazy? A movie studio funded one of the biggest box office blunders in the history of cinema and all I remember from the whole thing was that the main dude drank his piss. Talk about a <del>wasteful</del> piss poor investment just to introduce piss-drinking into the national psyche.

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