Please recommend rpg with a class system.

[ShunNakamura]

I am afraid I, like others, can not recommend anything other than the well known JRPG's with class systems. I guess you could try some oldies if you haven't already played them. Such as the old SNES Der Langrisser(there is a fan made patch out) or Ogre Battle March of the Black Queen. If you haven't played all the old SNES Classics you may want to look back at some of them.


However, Neverwinter Nights 2 is far from being a bad game. Though I would play a Final Fantasy Tactics(or Utawarerumono) over NWN2 anyday, that is if I hadn't already played said games to nearly their deathbeds.

[DemonicDragon]

This guy is borderline troll IMO.

I'm nothing of the sort. It makes sense for OP to give feedback to his responses.

[DemonicDragon]

I am afraid I, like others, can not recommend anything other than the well known JRPG's with class systems. I guess you could try some oldies if you haven't already played them. Such as the old SNES Der Langrisser(there is a fan made patch out) or Ogre Battle March of the Black Queen. If you haven't played all the old SNES Classics you may want to look back at some of them.


However, Neverwinter Nights 2 is far from being a bad game. Though I would play a Final Fantasy Tactics(or Utawarerumono) over NWN2 anyday, that is if I hadn't already played said games to nearly their deathbeds.

Yeah, i know Ogre Battle, its one of most fun and unique games ever for me, unforunately its also one of the hardest too XD.

[Bunny]

This thread is a monument to incompetence. And not just yours, DD.

[Madame Adequate]

Fool,I don't simply say to myself-"Look how popular this game is, I'll buy it cause everyone else does!". Personally I prefer console style rpgs. Nippon Ichi Software, or NIS in America is one of my favorite companies as a matter of fact.

Does it occur perhaps that they are popular for a reason?

Yes, of course but its not a reason of my interest. I'd stick with something thats tried and true, for me thats a JPRG.

Okay, have fun not experiencing some of the greatest games ever made.

I will, because their not, thats an OPINION which I don't share. The greatest games ever made are Final Fantasy VII and Star Ocean 2 imo.

Both fantastic games that I love. But if you are seriously charging that Fallout is anything less than purified genius on a disc, you're simply, and objectively, wrong. I'm not kidding. You are demonstrably incorrect. Your opinion is null and void. You don't have to like it, but you can't deny the quality of the game. I don't like Metroid, but I can't deny that it's incredibly well made, solid, and generally awesome. It's just not to my taste, which is a far cry from the game being bad.

[ShunNakamura]

Fool,I don't simply say to myself-"Look how popular this game is, I'll buy it cause everyone else does!". Personally I prefer console style rpgs. Nippon Ichi Software, or NIS in America is one of my favorite companies as a matter of fact.

Does it occur perhaps that they are popular for a reason?

Yes, of course but its not a reason of my interest. I'd stick with something thats tried and true, for me thats a JPRG.

Okay, have fun not experiencing some of the greatest games ever made.

I will, because their not, thats an OPINION which I don't share. The greatest games ever made are Final Fantasy VII and Star Ocean 2 imo.

Both fantastic games that I love. But if you are seriously charging that Fallout is anything less than purified genius on a disc, you're simply, and objectively, wrong. I'm not kidding. You are demonstrably incorrect. Your opinion is null and void. You don't have to like it, but you can't deny the quality of the game. I don't like Metroid, but I can't deny that it's incredibly well made, solid, and generally awesome. It's just not to my taste, which is a far cry from the game being bad.

I will have to argue this. A games quality is highly dependent on the enjoyment garnered from the game. Games are entertainment. If they fail to entertain they have failed the objective. No matter how well made the game mechanics are.

Of course having solid game mechanics, a strong story, etc will certainly not hurt a game. However, they alone won't make a good game. A game is supposed to be entertaining.

Therefore some games can be of great quality to some and little quality to others. If you are talking about the quality of individual game elements that is when you can run into objective merits. Such as the mechanics, the story, etc.

For example, I find Fate/Stay Night to be a great game. But others will find it awful. I could argue the game's greatness based on its story, however, if the person I am speaking with can't enjoy the game, the game is awful(from their perspective) no matter how great I can prove the story/mechanics to be.

But in the end of the day games are entertainment, if they aren't entertaining their quality isn't all that high. At least not for that particular person.

[Madame Adequate]

You're also wrong. It's pretty clear throughout the creative industries and arts that there is a distinction between quality and enjoyment.

[Mirage]

You'll need two months at least in FF11 before you'll get a chance to do the fun parts :p.

[Roto13]

You'll need two months at least in FF11 before you'll get a chance to do the fun parts :p.

Really? Cause they just started a free two week trial thing. :P What a waste of time.

[Araciel]

Dungeons & Dragons with Oriental Adventures.

Most D&D video games suck though.

[ShunNakamura]

You're also wrong. It's pretty clear throughout the creative industries and arts that there is a distinction between quality and enjoyment.

No, I am fairly certian I am right.

What are games played for? For most people games are played for entertainment. Thus, as far as that individual is concerned a game that fails to entertain isn't a good game. For another person that same game may entertain making it, at least from their persepctive, a good game.

Once again once you start breaking a game down into its core components and began discussing the quality of the games components then you run into stuff that can be more than subjective.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Under your requirements, such a thing more or less does not exist.

That's kind of sad. JRPG + class system - Final Fantasy shouldn't be such a rare combination. :P

Especially since the quality of FF games has been declining at a disturbing rate recently. I liked XII though, but Masuno is one of my favorite game writers.

Really, all JRPGs in general are becoming old, tired, and hackneyed. I can't really play them anymore, except for the odd NIS game since I really like their writing staff and they tend to be conceptually hilarious.

[Madame Adequate]

You're also wrong. It's pretty clear throughout the creative industries and arts that there is a distinction between quality and enjoyment.

No, I am fairly certian I am right.

What are games played for? For most people games are played for entertainment. Thus, as far as that individual is concerned a game that fails to entertain isn't a good game. For another person that same game may entertain making it, at least from their persepctive, a good game.

Once again once you start breaking a game down into its core components and began discussing the quality of the games components then you run into stuff that can be more than subjective.

Yeah which is obviously what I was saying: A game which has high quality across most or all of its core components is a good game, whether you like it or not. The reserve is also possible. I love EDF 2017, but it's a pretty dire game. Dynasty Warriors is average, but again, I love playing them. Zelda is fantastically accomplished in pretty much every way - and bores the hell out of me. You couldn't pay me to play Zelda games anymore. Fallout is, objectively, an amazingly good game. It does essentially everything right. If it isn't to someone's taste, that doesn't make the game bad, it makes the game not to their taste.

[Rostum]

You'll need two months at least in FF11 before you'll get a chance to do the fun parts .

Really? Cause they just started a free two week trial thing. :P What a waste of time.

However, two weeks is still enough time to get addicted to it.

By the way, people play games for challenge. Go look up a definition for "game". Yes, enjoyment is a huge part, but I just wanted to clarify.

Without challenge, there is no game. Either way, what one thinks of a games quality and enjoyment are very subjective - however, no matter what one person gets from a game, there is a distinct difference between quality and enjoyment. Just because one person doesn't like a game's art style, ambience, game mechanics, level design, etc. does not mean it's a bad game, they just think it is. It could very well be the most talently built thing on the planet.

What I'm trying to say is, if a game is perfectly sound and built (and there are a lot of set rules in game design that can distinguish a game from good or bad) with talented art direction and design, then a person could be absolutely wrong in thinking it's poorly built just because they don't like it.

[Markus. D]

You'll need two months at least in FF11 before you'll get a chance to do the fun parts .

Really? Cause they just started a free two week trial thing. :P What a waste of time.

I feel it's worth doing the 2 (3 even) months if you plan to truly play onward.

The trial is totally a waste though.