Originally Posted by Rye
I've always thought that Quina was the mascot!
I personally think that chart represents a fact that we need more Quina.
Although I was hoping for a pie graph.
I've always thought that Quina was the mascot!
I personally think that chart represents a fact that we need more Quina.
Although I was hoping for a pie graph.
I DO WHAT I WANT. YOU HAVE PROBLEM?
If you guys staff me I'll probably post 9,001 times a day again.
I know, not going to happen. Actually I probably couldn't be arsed to staff here anyway. Them's the breaks.
I didn't read any of this thread btw, I'll do it later. I'm about to watch Miller's Crossing.
Absolutely. I quit doing front site work once it became a business and my work was only going towards fattening other people's wallets. While Sean was still the owner I made it a point to produce periodic content updates as that was my way of giving back to the site. I no longer feel that loyalty to the front site.
Honestly, if we wanted to get real updates on the front site and people to care about it, WM would need to send out paypal "presents" again. It doesn't have to be big, but something to acknowledge the work that's done. That and to at least respond to emails from the staff.
I know that I'd be much more inclined to actually sit down and do stuff if there were some paypal 'presents'.Absolutely. I quit doing front site work once it became a business and my work was only going towards fattening other people's wallets. While Sean was still the owner I made it a point to produce periodic content updates as that was my way of giving back to the site. I no longer feel that loyalty to the front site.
Honestly, if we wanted to get real updates on the front site and people to care about it, WM would need to send out paypal "presents" again. It doesn't have to be big, but something to acknowledge the work that's done. That and to at least respond to emails from the staff.
Right now, I have other IRL things to attend to, so unfortunately, the stuff I have on my to-do list for the frontsite and the wiki have to take the back burner.
I used to be one of the top posters, but I dare not post what's on my mind anymore for the fear of a wag of a finger. And while one person such as myself is arbitrary, maybe mass e-net suicide would solve this really quick.
I had good ideas many ages ago, but I just gave up because they:
A) Locked
B) Turned down/not even answered
C) There is no C
now that I've actually bothered to read or at least skim most of this thread, I'm just going to say that I'm kind of tickled that conventional wisdom has finally caught up to what I've been saying about this place for quite some time.
Anyway, my conclusion from having adminned several FF sites that went through a similar downward spiral of activity due to owners who didn't give aabout the sites except as a way of making money and didn't trust the members enough to let them run the site completely on their own terms. You guys are pretty much smurfed if you can't get the owners to give you access to keep updating the site, because everyone's going to lose motivation, in fact it's clearly happeninig already. I had this problem myself at a pair of Final Fantasy boards where I used to admin, and it was always the same pattern: there'd be an owner who gave a
Like I said, the only thing that's going to persuade the owners is the bottom line. You can't really bleed enough revenue from them to make them listen with a mass exodus, the only thing to really do is to attempt to reason with them. If they realise that not having people able to update content at will is going to kill people's enthusiasm to work on the site, thus degrade the quality of its coverage and remove people's incentive to keep the Google ranking high, which ultimately is what keeps traffic flowing in and benefits their bottom line. Maybe if enough people email them they'll listen, idk.
Anyway despite all the flak I've given the staff here over the past five years or so, frankly right now I'm more impressed with the way things are being run here than I've been for quite some time, and in fact I prefer the atmosphere to FCF's which had been my online spiritual home home for most of the school semester. I still have some sentimental attachment to this place as well because it was my first message board. But frankly, there's only so much you can do before you just have to wring your hands and give up. If the owners are too retarded to listen to their member base, then frankly, the community is doomed. You might be able to create something decent as a hangout board on your own terms, but it won't be the same as EoFF used to be.
More importantly, if the new owners are too retarded to listen to member feedback then they don't deserve your continued traffic.
You guys would all be welcome at Fool's Gold, btw. Yes, even you, WesLY.now that I'm finally out of college I may even have time to make that front site I've been saying I'll start up for years
Last edited by The Man; 04-14-2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason: fixing image that used to link to the now-expired cbamusic.com
I don't feel like making a materia list that takes me weeks if it takes me weeks to get even a thank you.
Something to take into account, maybe?
People have written whole sections without a simple thanks. You are neither alone, nor are you at the top of the totem on this one.
It's worth noting that I wrote whole sections for the site years ago that don't seem to be there anymore. Not that I have them anymore either.
I don't know what you have been saying for quite some time, but my guess is that it has been closely mirrored by what we say in staff (though no one would admit it!). It's just kind off a bummer to talk about a fairly hopeless situation and get the same retread suggestions over and over. But there's always the possibility of something good coming out of it.now that I've actually bothered to read or at least skim most of this thread, I'm just going to say that I'm kind of tickled that conventional wisdom has finally caught up to what I've been saying about this place for quite some time.
As an aside, any ideas what happened to AdventChildren.net?
I agree with many of the analyses posted in this thread. At this point, doing more work for the site seems analogous to shoveling gold into a black hole.
maybe i started a bad trend posting inconsistantly?
D:
Well I have been an off and on member of a community that did bit of an Exodus.
I could go on and mention a lot about it, though all my information is second hand. The Exodus occurred while I was on Hiatus and I missed it. I was lucky to find the site where the community moved to(Since the New owner of the original community did everything in his power to prevent the move(disabling PM's, etc)). The new one is only a few months old and it has risen above the old site according to the site stats I have seen(and is even worth more according to those site calculator things(despite not even being 7 months old yet)); though the community still hasn't reached its old glory and the focus has changed(it covers a very large number of games now rather than just one).
However, even without the new owner the site probably would have died. It was a niche focus that was beginning to spiral to start with. Which is one of the mistakes the current owner says was learned from the old site.
Of course the situations are different. What works once may not work again. The fact that the owner did what he did may have helped(after all disabling PM's and rolling the forum backs and all sorts of other drama isn't a good way to keep members).
As for spicing things up. Well a site that I frequent nearly as much as EoFF now; it has blogs(create a forum account, you get a blog), the user profile is customizable to a fair deal(I have seen some pretty neat user profiles, they even have a monthly contest for best profile). And EoFF uses a newer version of VB so I assume we can do all that too.
Not that I myself use those features(ok I admit I played with my profile)... but some people probably like them. It also seems they have more social groups. And while a bit silly/image-sharing they do bring people together and create activity. Such as the Anti-Social Group(which apparently has a bad habit of dying off only to be revived again), The Drama Club, the Loli Lovers, The Ecchi Club
But in the end the community has to have heart. If the community has a whole begins to become dispirited then... well that isn't good(no duh).
Edit- Yikes.. I just was using some of those website value calculators so I punched in EoFF and apparently it has gone done in worth 2-3 thousand in as many months(which I would have taken a screen shot before telling cubestat to update). That can't look good to the owners. www.eyesonff.com estimated worth and web stat from Cubestat.
Last edited by ShunNakamura; 12-19-2008 at 08:48 AM.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
I thought this forum was much quieter than I originally remembered...shame. I like it here.
The official explanation is that SY no longer had enough money to run the site. However, she refused to sell it and refused to monetise it further at a time when it could easily have brought in enough money to make it fiscally solvent, so the real reason for its closure is anybody's guess. That said she brought in a 'tech admin' who turned out to be a gigantic drama whore and claimed he was enacting decisions which he'd talked to SY about, but proved to be hugely unpopular amongst the member base. Not to mention she apparently had time to see Cloverfield in theatres something like 26 times.As an aside, any ideas what happened to AdventChildren.net?
I agree with many of the analyses posted in this thread. At this point, doing more work for the site seems analogous to shoveling gold into a black hole.
so really, it's anybody's guess.
See here for most of it.I don't know what you have been saying for quite some time, but my guess is that it has been closely mirrored by what we say in staff (though no one would admit it!). It's just kind off a bummer to talk about a fairly hopeless situation and get the same retread suggestions over and over. But there's always the possibility of something good coming out of it.now that I've actually bothered to read or at least skim most of this thread, I'm just going to say that I'm kind of tickled that conventional wisdom has finally caught up to what I've been saying about this place for quite some time.
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