Quote Originally Posted by -kuri- View Post
Wow seriously?

I agree with you, Crop. That is bull. They should have named him a different name rather than make a descendant from...Shinra in Gaia.

Now that I understand what's going on, no, the Shinra from FFX-2 shouldn't be blamed for what the company did in VII. And why even connect those two? We're talking about VII. Not the series as a whole. The character Shinra is in an alternative world many years ahead, or whatever the deal is. and he's an Al Bhed! oh man this just doesn't work out! There's not even the slighest of mention of Al Bheds in Gaia! Squarenix...you frustrate me.

Ugh. That gives me another reason not to play X-2.

Jaffer, no hard feelings ya? We just have two different definitions of what a villain is. =D I mean...yeah I do consider Sephiroth a villain...a very strong one. But I do feel he's given too much credit for the destruction he's caused. I believe that the manipulator behind a strong powerful villain has the same if not more responsibility for the world's destruction and you see this manipulator\puppet relationship in many games (at least the ones I know about).

IV = Golbez and Kain
VII = Shinra and Sephiroth
VIII = Edea\Seifer and Ultimecia
IX = Garland and Kuja
X = Yevon and the Maesters
That's my whole point!! Shinra Inc. made Sephiroth, and they didn't exactly have the best intentions at heart but they didn't manipulate him into doing jacksquat. They didn't want him to burn down Nibelheim, they didn't want him to try and kill Zack and Cloud, they didn't want him to seek out the Promised Land with his mommy, they want him to destroy the Planet, they don't want him to go on an intergalactic cruise to bring "shining futures" to other planets. They just ****ed up. Just like Shinra from Final fantasy X-2 did. Yeah, he made Yuna real happy with his plans for a city of light but he would sucked Spira dry and eventually killed it if he were to ever implement this plan.

Hojo is a supporter of Sephiroth, he even helped him after he figured out what needed to be done, but Hojo didn't plan for any of this. Hell, the reason Hojo was still with Shinra is because Sephiroth of all people forced him. Read Before Crisis. Hojo is down with whatever's evil and certainly made Sephiroth bringing about this situation, but he's still not the man with the plan.

Jenova is an interesting case. It's been stated that Sephiroth is the dominant force but I think that only became that way after Sephiroth died and dematerialised into the Lifestream. The idea to go the Promised land was probably hers.

But the plan to steal the Black Materia, the reason why our main character is on remote control by someone other then you in disc 1, the person controlling the WEAPONS, the person who's will brought about GeoStigma, that's all Sephiroth. He's the guy you're fighting. There's no secret true villain at the end, the foodchain ends with sephiroth.