Mindsmurf Mafia - GAME OVER - Town Win - The Triple H gods are the heroes!

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

@Hemera Given the fact you call me a dick I'd love to take you to the underworld with me

[[M] Apollo]

@Hera You seem very sure I'm not scum! I wonder how you know the mafia aren't sticking their necks out? Scum much

This is a stretch. Hera has never said you weren't scum, she just follows the logic that if Mafia has a Hurtlocker and you're the only bomb, you are either town aligned or neutral. If you were town aligned I think you'd be doing way more to save the town than you are. If town wins, all townies living or dead win. If you're neutral, you win if you survive. Which means you won't put the good of the town first (which you haven't), you'll put survival first (which you have.)

lol flavor. Apollo might be a bomb. That would explain the hurtlocker. Or he could be mafia and knew there was a hurtlocker, so he claimed bomb so he wouldn't be touched.

Mindsmurf mindsmurf mindsmurf mindsmurf.

My question for you Apollo is that if you know you're the bomb why would you be willing to risk people dying just to prove a point? Something is amiss.

The Hurt Locker was anti-town. Would it make sense if the bomb was on the same side? The Hurt Locker most likely had the power to deactivate the Kathryn Bigelow (da bomb), but why would they do that if they were on the same side? This is why I am inclined to believe that the bomb must actually be pro-town. Could Apollo still be mafia? Yes, then it's what Hades said in that he knew there was a Hurt Locker so he's trying to save himself by claiming bomb. But then there would have to be another person that was the bomb or terrorist. I don't know. My tummy hurts.

Maybe I just enjoying messing with all the "pros"

The bomb can also be neutral, and win by surviving. This would lead the bomb to prioritize whatever keeps them alive, and not prioritize town.

Also, Apollo lmao. Haven't you insinuated that I'm amateur? (You may not have, but I don't have time to go through ALL your posts atm.)

If you were allaying the vote for Persephone, why didn't you change your vote then? I'm suspicious of you, definitely. I can't figure you out. You're arguing here that you were actually trying to prevent Persephone's death through argument, but you could have done the exact same thing by simply unvoting. Why wouldn't you take a direct action that was possible instead of a roundabout action that probably wouldn't work? Odd.

Perhaps allaying was the wrong word, then. I wasn't trying to prevent Persephone's death, I was trying to prevent people jumping on a bandwagon for no reason. Because what happens is that people look to the person who made a serious vote and gave evidence and then point at them and say it's all their fault. Like has happened. Persephone was highest on my radar -- you might say I'm a terrible player if so, but at least I gave a reason. But I'm sure I've explained this enough times already.

I don't think Apollo is a bomb. I think he's trying to threaten bomb status to ensure that no one wants to kill him. That being said, if we ever get through this freaking annoying bandwagon stuff (I am still a little confused, yes) I willingly volunteer to be the lynch vote for him. If he's a bomb, I die and everyone keeps playing. If he's not, he's probably a scumbag. I still think he's a scumbag.

I haven't thought you to be scum, so I'm hesitant to let you be the final vote in case Apollo is the bomb. However, offering to be the "sacrifice" is probably the most scummy thing I've seen you do all game, but even so, it's enough to make you show up on my radar.

If you cast the lynching vote on Apollo and he flips scum, you look like the hero that risked death to save the town. Like you said earlier, the only way we're really going to be sure of your role is when you die.

If he's a bomb and I die, your roleclaim is probably legitimate and you're an asset to the town. If Apollo is scum, you've protected him in a weird way and are probably scum too.

If you knew he was scum, then you're effectively setting up Hera to take the next fall.

##Vote: [M] Apollo

I think Apollo is pretty scummy. That's the end of my justification so you guys don't leap on me for starting a bandwagon.

How is sacrifice scummy? If he flips scum and Hera takes the fall, ends up being pro-town, then you know I'm scum too. Scum ends up losing the same amount of players.

I look forward to the fireworks I really do because more than 1 of you will have egg on their face

Whoa whoa whoa, red flag people, red flag. I think he kills everyone that votes for him.

That's a bluff. And you've been way smarter than that all along. What gives?

Hades has the right idea, we need to learn something from today's lynch. We learned nothing yesterday. I don't trust Poseidon, but I don't trust Apollo more. Hades putting himself up for the final vote also makes me trust his intentions for the town to learn from the lynch and not to just get us to lynch who he wants.

Bingo. Though you could be bandwagoning to scapegoat me as scum because you know Apollo isn't scum, the town will LEARN from the next SEVERAL lynches and the next SEVERAL mafia kills instead of just taking it one day at a time. The town has the opportunity to make plans.

HOWEVER.

The fact that 2 players have now roleclaimed that they have bomb detection abilities really bugs me. Especially the one who claims to be bomb-proof, but unsure of how bomb-proof bomb-proof is? One or both of Hera and Hemera have to be bullting, unless there are like a kabillion bombs on both sides. Interesting.

What could be happening in paranoia land (Hades head) Apollo and Hemera are both scum and trying to get me to trade. A smart person, obviously, would insist at this point we take the risk of making the bomb-proof claimant the lynch-vote. That way we lose no town. What actually happens is the "smart" person tries to use this line of reasoning and the other scum and some town see "smart" person as a flip-flopper, they stop trusting me and possibly even lynch me.

I'm sticking to my guns.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Del Zeus did mention that he suspected the game would be a short one. I considered the idea last night that a bomb role could kill more than one person, and Apollo's post threw up warning flags.

Well in that case

##Unvote: Apollo
##Vote: Hermes


Can't have the game end that soon. When in doubt go with Hermes.

[[M] Apollo]

Hemera you should be the final lynch of Apollo since you claim that you're bomb proof.

Nope. It's safer if it's me, because I am totally vanilla. Hemera has roleclaimed a more powerful... what.... wait...

I agree, Artemis. I will vote when Apollo gets a few more on him.

That was fast. Something is mother smurfing rotten in Olympus.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

And Nyx, I fail to see how sacrificing to see who is lying is scummy. If Apollo does turn out to be scum then that would make you scum as well since you're trying to scare us along with Apollo.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Technically I'm pro-town but ruffling the feathers of those that take this game much too seriously has become too much fun. Town is better off without me but things won't be half as much fun. Decide who's coming with me to the underworld already I need to sleep soon

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

It's safer for Hemera actually since she claims to be bomb proof. Vanillas are not bomb proof.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

@Hygieia If your so sure I'm scum offer up yourself as the final vote

Not when someone claims to be semi bomb proof and is willing to be the final vote. I know I'm not bomb proof.

Also you could be a mafia bomb or a serial killer bomb or a Demon Dude bomb, the first two making you explosive scum and the last makes you annoying.

[[M] Felix]

Yes, definitely let Hemera take the vote if we're gonna lynch him. If she's not as she claims then she's a dirty liar and she'll go poof anyway.

[[M] Apollo]

But Hemera could be bluffing, could she not? And Hera could be bluffing? or they could both be bluffing and trying to mislead the town into believing there are multiple bombs or superkill bombs.

The double bomb-prevention roleclaim has thrown a hink in our giddyap. I don't see Del Zeus nerfing the town that much, unless he's already stacked the deck against us in a bad way.

Argh.

[[M] Felix]

In mafia it is very possible to overthink

[[M] Apollo]

I think I'm letting my paranoia get the better of me. If the majority of the town agrees that it's better for Hemera to be the lynch vote then I will also agree to that.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

rofl Hades

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

I think Del said this would be fast because of Hephestus's role, but he was killed before he could use it. Bus drivers target 2 people. Drunk drivers crash cars. That would kill the 2 people he targeted and possibly Hephestus himself. Add that onto the two other nightkills and thats a potential of 5 in one night.

[[M] Athena]

That's a bluff. And you've been way smarter than that all along. What gives?

I already mentioned what Del Zeus said. If necessary, I'll go drag up the quote. But that bounced around my head for a great deal of time last night, I even wrote a sticky note on my desktop to make sure I posted it. Apollo's post reinforced it.

Thank you for the compliment on my intelligence though. I appreciate it.

And Nyx, I fail to see how sacrificing to see who is lying is scummy. If Apollo does turn out to be scum then that would make you scum as well since you're trying to scare us along with Apollo.

Does someone else want to explain this? I thought it was a common concept.

I'll try and simplify it, not because I'm trying to be condescending, but because it might get to unwieldly if I make the model life sized.

Two mafia members. Mafia member A has a lot of heat. Mafia member B campaigns against Mafia member A and Mafia member A gets lynched. Mafia member B looks like a really great townie, he helped kill a scumbag! But really, all he did was sacrifice a teammate who looked like he was going anyway in order to make himself look innocent.

This is what I am suggesting. I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm offering alternative outcomes.