I'm going to be blunt, Bolivar you're such a ps3 fanboy Roto is right I can put one post up with a few offhand comments in and you blow up in to a storm of fanboy defence of your console it's hillarious (SPOILER)yes this does mean I troll you from time to time just like you troll or try to troll 360 owners on here, you really should never make a 360 thread you just could never be at the least impartial with it.

On to Kinect, we've got it up in store (again) to be fair it is fun, it's good fun too, bit of a pain to set up but having been on it for a good part of yesterday I can say fun once you do. It's far superior to the eye toy considering that the eyetoy registered movement from anything walking past where kinect will register the movement of you and nothing else (we've proven this by doing the international distress signal walking in front of others using it) which is a good benefit of the technology. The whole distance from the screen thing is a load of crap sorry but we've got the kinect sensor set up with around 5ft of space to use infront of the screen, it works fine.

Games wise, the best of the bunch really right now is going to be Kinect Sports though Kinect Dance is equally a good laugh from the looks of it, should it work how it is meant to it will sell well over christmas for sure going on the popularity of games such as Just Dance 2 on the Wii. However to expect there only to be crap shovelware or "Wii" style games for Kinect is wrong, at the moment in development is a brand new Steel Batallion game, Older or more experienced gamers will remember the first as having been released on the original xbox and came with a £130 price tag and it's own 2 joystick, 3 pedal, 60+ button control pad and for being one of the more brutal mech combat games ever made such as expecting you to eject if the mech got too trashed before it got destroyed so you could get a new one, failure meant restarting everything. Steel Batallion looks anything but terrible having looked at the screens available for it and frankly it could work well with Kinnect putting you inside the cockpit of your mech though admittedly a 40+ inch tv screen would be good for this if there are individual buttons on screen to use. This shows that Microsoft as Sony have indeed begun to attempt with new re-released of Heavy Rain, Resident Evil 5 and other games with move features which is the incorporate the serious gamers with their motion control, personally I'm far more endeared by the prospect of a full game designed speciffically for Kinect than a re-release of a game I completed ages ago just because it has a few "motion sensitive" additions.

Now, Playstation Move has been touched upon briefly here and so I will comment on this too: Whilst the cheapest of the 3 for the initial starter kit it soon enters the same issues as the Wii, it is expensive, some games will require a player to hold 2 wands each, that means for 4 player party games using such a control system they could require 8 wands in the uk this comes to a great price of £294.92 (£34.99 per wand + £49.99 for the starter kit) including the cost of the starter pack, that is more than a 320gb ps3 itself costs. Say the same person then wants 4 navigation remotes so that if they need them they're there thats an extra £100 (or £99.96 to be precise for 4 £24.99 navigation remotes) no games there apart from the starter disc which is a demo disc no more. Games for Move retail at around £29.99 per title. Move's biggest flaw is that Sony have been very careful to follow the Nintendo policy of making things appear cheaper than they are compared to Microsoft's charge high for the one piece of technology you need. It's fine really, but like the Wii when customers work out the cost of the equipment they could need to buy they're often put off from buying. As I said I work shopfloor in a games department and I see this first hand whenever I go in to work which is daily. However Move is by far superior to the Wii even with the handful of games it has at the moment of this post being written which just got bolstered today by the release of a new time crisis game amongst others. The 3rd plane of motion which can be tracked because of the camera tracking the wand is a major crushing blow to the Wii which can't do that. However long term, I'm seeing more arcade style games for the PSMove than for Kinect which kinda points out the flaw in the whole "Microsoft shovelware, Sony going for substance" idea what is being bandied around in this thread, Move gets a Time Crisis game, Kinect will be getting a serious mech combat game what is based on one of the most challenging and punnishing games of it's genre of all time.

Ok well enough for now, I've gotta get ready to go put a shift in probably playing on Kinect for most of it to demostrate it to customers.