Quote Originally Posted by Shoden View Post

Songwriting skills is something that not everyone has in a band and yeah anyone can snap up a guitar learn a few chords and learn the metal rhythms and tbh, I think that's what the forefront of the scene band brigade is, nothing too serious, revolutionary, nothing fantastic and some of the bands get so much praise, they get labelled as the next generation, the new wave of metal and there are bands out there who don't get the recognition they deserve for being different, original and passionate.

I did look into them bands you mentioned, I didn't hear anything that really clicked with me though, sadly. =(

I believe that for any band of any genre to really make an impact and show that metal's not dead, needs some form of progression in their music, something that makes it all worth it.

If there's another bone I must pick, I think its the difference in sound. The 70's and early 80's had the best tones from the amps, you had to play like you meant it

Oh, and songs over 5 minutes are godly. Just saying. Old or new. Anything over 10 minutes is beyond godly, if it can be pulled off because you have to be a hell of a songwriter and a skilled musician to pull that off and not loop the same 3 chords over and over. To make a progressive song, smurf me, must take a lot.

Keyboards, Keyboards are not gay in any way and should be used more. Bass, should be louder and singers should sing like they mean it. More baritones and bass singers like mr Johnny Cash please, less super high singers! D:

Ok Now I'm getting carried away!!
First, don't look at this as judgment, but observation. I think you're conflicted. Your views are torn. It angers you that the genres you like don't get the recognition of the "scene" bands. I think that's because the "scene" bands have a newer sound. Even doom metal can trace it's origins back to the 70's. Death metal, black metal, and their "core" derivatives can trace their roots back basically to the early 90's. Maybe their sound is starting to become tired as well, but it's still much newer.

You're a self proclaimed "oldie". It seems you want bands that sound good to your ear to be held high again, and to keep pushing the sound forward. That's not the job of the "scene" bands, that's the job of those bands. If the sound isn't getting recognized by people, maybe the need to push harder.

Do me a favor. It'll take a minute, but I'd appreciate it. Listen to this song.
Now try this one.
Try to listen to both ENTIRELY. Even if you don't like the sound, can you really say it's not trying new things? Is it not pushing things forward? They're talented, intelligent song writers.

It has many other aspects you asked for. They play fast, they play slow, one song uses a keyboard, the songs are over 5 minutes, they have a classic powermetal solo near the end of one song, and no one is screaming or wearing eyeliner. They use odd time signatures, and many other jazz/blues stylings in their music. There's no scene kids, they play the music because they love it.