Dynasty Warriors Game Thread: Mafia XX GAME OVER Mafia cockblock the Cult

[[M] Anise]

well, class, I was pretty convinced Guan Yu was another scum at the end of the day. he seemed reluctant to push the issue with Zhao Yun and I thought he was tryng to put doubt in our heads. then he makes this cop claim and I don't know what to think. i'll have to take a peek into my records to see if he makes the grade.

for now, I believe him, because I don't think mafia would play the phony cop angle twice. he also did make sense with the explanation of his role. much more than Zhao Yun at least. :laugh:

i have some questions about the end of the day but I need to go read through it again first.

[[M] Anise]

ok, I had a long post typed up but then ie lost it and I'm not about to type it again. here's the short version:

how was there not a tie at the end of the day? i counted only 3 votes for Jiang and 3 for Meng. and I am including Lu Meng's two votes.

second, Meng Huo is accusing Xiahou of the same thing he is doing. that is, posting without real substance. seems weird.

third, there were 3 nighs but Guan Yu only revealed two investigations unless I missed it. are you keeping that night 3 investigation in your beard Guan or did you not think about that when you tried this little ploy?

also like everyone else I want to hear what Xiahou has to say if anything.

also I used this image in an amusing fashion but I forgot how now


*takes a sleep potion*

[[M] Helo]

I was wondering if anyone was going to pick up on that, but yes Lord Sima you are right. At this time I see no reason to divulge the results of my last investigation. As should have become increasingly clear, I am loath to play my cards too soon. Trust me, in my other line of work, you quickly learn of the embarrasment that can accompany blowing a wad too soon. :breine:

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Too bad Guan Yu. I'm the 8th guard. I can protect someone at night at the cost of directing the attack at myself. Pretty useless role if you ask me. I haven't protected anyone cause of the risk. Useless role is useless.

In my opinion you're lying or your cop role is messed up.
But then again nobody can confirm roleclaims so we could both be lying.
You decide.

And I believe I've proved my innocence by taking out a scum right? While you all sat back not voting and taking back votes, even though you knew he was lying.
Spare me the jester crap please.

So think about it. I'm mafia. Liu Bei and Zhao Yun being my partners. I let Liu Bei be lynched. And the next day I have Zhao lynched. If I were mafia i would have tried to save them. Example : I would have gone with the whole jester crap and took back my vote like some others did. Two consequent deaths are never beneficial for a mafian.

And I think your investigation on Cao Cao is bogus because he's the only one whose role is confirmed to be innocent.

That's all i have to say in my defense.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Also I really want to know who you investigated on Night 3.

[[M] Helo]

An interesting proposal, Lord Xiahou Dun! How delightfully convenient for you, a role that is useless. It is a shame that it is not the role you actually have, though, because you are a scum through and through. Your vote for Zhao Yun is meaningless, he was a dead man either way. And two dead mafians could be infinitely useful for mafia who had the level heads to turn the situation to their advantage, however, you do not.

And as you wish, my 3rd investigation was Lord Sima Yi. He was also innocent. How then, do you propose that this is so if my cop role is broken as you claim? I maintain, and shall be proven true, that you are scum. Lords Cao Cao and Sima Yi are both innocent. If you would like to somehow prove that both Lord Cao Cao and Sima Yi are scum along with myself, please feel free to do so if you feel you have the evidence. I'm willing to bet you don't, though.

Finally, nothing is "too bad" for me. There are only a few ways this duel can end, and the majority of them favour me (and therefore town). Would you like me to explain them?

Best Ending: You are lynched, and you flip scum. We have a REAL doctor, who protects me, and everything I have put forth so far is proven and the town are in a very strong position.
Medium ending 1: You are lynched, and you flip scum. We have no doctor, and I am killed by the mafia. Not ideal, but justice still prevails.
Medium ending 2: The town are fooled by you and your comrades scummy tactics, and lynch me. I flip scout/cop (which I will), and you've brought yourself 24 more hours, but you will go down, and anyone who supports you will have made themselves immediately suspicious.
Worst ending: Everyone ignores us, votes for someone completely random and you and your comrades whack someone random. This proves nothing and helps no one.

As long as the last outcome is avoided, your time, good sir, is ticking away, and you will be exposed. By all means, flail and struggle to claw your way out of your guilt all you want, in the end you shall fall. as I said earlier, I am the God of War and I fear no man nor my own mortality, because I have the truth on my side, and no matter what happens to me, the truth shall send you to the grave sooner or later. Let's just hope the town make the right choice and get shot of you sooner rather than later!

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

An interesting proposal, Lord Xiahou Dun! How delightfully convenient for you, a role that is useless. It is a shame that it is not the role you actually have, though, because you are a scum through and through. Your vote for Zhao Yun is meaningless, he was a dead man either way. And two dead mafians could be infinitely useful for mafia who had the level heads to turn the situation to their advantage, however, you do not.

And as you wish, my 3rd investigation was Lord Sima Yi. He was also innocent. How then, do you propose that this is so if my cop role is broken as you claim? I maintain, and shall be proven true, that you are scum. Lords Cao Cao and Sima Yi are both innocent. If you would like to somehow prove that both Lord Cao Cao and Sima Yi are scum along with myself, please feel free to do so if you feel you have the evidence. I'm willing to bet you don't, though.

Finally, nothing is "too bad" for me. There are only a few ways this duel can end, and the majority of them favour me (and therefore town). Would you like me to explain them?

Best Ending: You are lynched, and you flip scum. We have a REAL doctor, who protects me, and everything I have put forth so far is proven and the town are in a very strong position.
Medium ending 1: You are lynched, and you flip scum. We have no doctor, and I am killed by the mafia. Not ideal, but justice still prevails.
Medium ending 2: The town are fooled by you and your comrades scummy tactics, and lynch me. I flip scout/cop (which I will), and you've brought yourself 24 more hours, but you will go down, and anyone who supports you will have made themselves immediately suspicious.
Worst ending: Everyone ignores us, votes for someone completely random and you and your comrades whack someone random. This proves nothing and helps no one.

As long as the last outcome is avoided, your time, good sir, is ticking away, and you will be exposed. By all means, flail and struggle to claw your way out of your guilt all you want, in the end you shall fall. as I said earlier, I am the God of War and I fear no man nor my own mortality, because I have the truth on my side, and no matter what happens to me, the truth shall send you to the grave sooner or later. Let's just hope the town make the right choice and get shot of you sooner rather than later!

You shouldn't be the one to talk. You KNEW he was lying and did not even vote!
My vote was placed from the start. I even tried to persuade the others who were one by one removing their votes. And it all began with the senseless jester talk. So my vote was far from meaningless.
And also you're only trying to prove my guilt by YOUR investigation, which can be a huge lie for that matter. What were you thinking? "Claiming cop after Zhao's flip will make me sound more believable?"
You cannot base your arguments on a claim that might be false.

[[M] Adama]

Again with the Liu Bei incident: only SSX, Meng Huo, Lu Bu, and Sun Ce had a chance to try to save him as they posted during the last hour of Day 1, after I made the deciding vote. You weren't there, Xiahou Dun.

Zhao Yun was a dead man for his insistent roleclaim and sudden vote for Cao Cao. We stopped it from a speed-lynch in case he actually was a Seppuku Specialist, but he was going to swing unless the mafia pulled off a miracle, and that's a huge risk most would balk at.

Agh, in the shower I had come up with a new line of questioning, but it seems I've misplaced it. I hope it comes to me after work when I'm chilling with a delicious snack of smoke.

If Guan Yu is mafia, the only way I can see him lynched before Xiahou Dun is if someone else comes forward as a cop. I know it's taboo to be asking for roleclaims, but if you are an actual cop and you're watching someone claim your role in front of you, you need to come forward now.

[[M] Adama]

I gotta put on pants and get to work. I don't even know if I will be back in ten hours, there's a meeting on top of a long day coupled together. Early apologies, don't get to pissed, etc..

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

No cop is going to make a roleclaim this early as it means sure death the next day. That's why i don't buy Guan Yu's story. I mean if he really was the cop he would have said so the day Zhao claimed it, going by your logic. Right?

[[M] Helo]

Even though you seem to be hell bent on getting everyone to gloss over this point, Lord Dun, I shall not let you. I will reiterate it once more because you do seem to enjoy going on about it so much: I did not cast a vote for Zhao Yun because I had already ascertained, through his own actions and my scout/cop role, that he was not a cop as he was trying to claim, and that the only possible options left open to him thanks to the evidence he had given us were those of mafia, and jester. I pointed this out before anyone else here. And please do not try to dismiss it as being of no consequence, a win for the jester is a loss for the town. To vote for someone who may be a jester because they may also be scum is not the forgone conclusion you would seem to have us think it is. Further, if I recall, at one stage he was only 1 vote away from a majority lynch. Had this have happened, Diao Chan would have never had the opportunity to do her thing, thereby ridding us of one scum AND providing us a chance to get another.

Unfortunately, the town voted to lynch innocent Jiang Wei, though you'll have a hard time proving I had anything to do with that. I did not. And if I have been trying to aid mafia throughout the game as you so claim, why would I not slap a vote down on innocent Jiang? One less townie, right? But no, nothing to do with me.

Pray tell, then, what are you trying to prove my guilt on exactly? Your claim that you are town and I am a big fat liar? Please explain to us all how your claim has any more credibility than mine? I have submit before all of you that I have investigated Cao Cao, you and Sima Yi. Cao Cao and Sima Yi innocent, you scum. Cao Cao is proven innocent, I did not vote for him. Of course, there is no reason to believe that I did not find this out after his roleclaim for now, but time will prove me truthful. So I have no real fear for what may come to pass this day, other than the town inexplicably not voting for either of us.

As for your latest claim, you are clutching at straws. As has already been demonstrated, by my own admissions and YOUR own arguments, I have had plenty of opportunity to claim cop already. I could have done it on day two for Cao Cao, or day three for Zhao Yun, but decided to hold back until now, when I had enough investigations under my belt for ammunition and had spent enough time doing not much of anything to keep it under wraps until I needed it. 7 out of 20 people are dead, with 2 more to go today. How much longer am I supposed to keep quiet about it? For all we know there could be a doctor, and he might do his job. He may let me die. It matters not, because again as long as either you or I die, my point will be proven and any who associate with you become suspect.

Whichever way it goes, so long as one of us die, is fine by me. I just hope the town make the right decision. They have to choose one of us to kill, and, before they make their choice I would like them to consider the implications of their choices.

If I am telling the truth about my Role, and you vote to lynch Xiahou Dun, you kill a scum, and gain a confirmed scout/cop for however long the scum see fit to leave me alive, depending on the existance of a good doctor. If I am lying about my role, and am a mafia, and Xiahou Dun is an "8th Guard", you lose a townie, yes, but in his own words an utterly useless one because he does not intend to ever use his power because he values his own life too much, even if it were to save a cop/scout or a doctor, or even the emperor who could have saved a stoplynch. You also have an undeniable mafia.

IF however I am telling the truth, and you decide to side with Xiahou Dun, who is lying, you lynch off one of, if not the only scout/cops on the town side, and have a mafia. If by some crazy mechanic of HC's we're both telling the truth, well, I stil leave it up to you which role is more worthy of the gamble. And just to clarify before Xiahou Scum tries to twist my words, these are merely examinations of the ramifications of each scenario. I hold that he is scum, and I am a cop.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Your post works only if you really are the cop. Sadly, we cannot confirm that.

What proof did you have for the jester? Are you kidding me? Logically a jester would not exist in a mafia with few players like this one. And usually jesters aren't allowed to gather attention that early. The whole Jester affair was a mafia tactic to try and save Zhao. Thank God it didn't work.

In my eyes you're just a mafia scum who's trying to divert the attention to someone else (after getting almost everyone to vote for you) by doing something outrageous like claiming cop, a day after someone else claimed and lied. You'd think that the third time will be more believable. And it seems like you were correct, it appears to have worked. But I will not believe you. I know what my role is, and the fact that you're SO sure about me being scum is enough for me to think that you want to blame it all on me. A rational person would have considered the existence of a framer right? But you didn't because you probably KNOW that there is no framer in the mafia. The reason for that is clear.

You say my claim is useless but so is yours.

(That's Edgeworth right? He's known for always getting a guilty verdict right, using every method.)

[[M] Helo]

I have freely admitted there is no way to confirm I am the cop until I die. I do not see what you wish to gain by reiterating my own points.

Your hindsight is indeed powerful, but please explain to me how we were supposed to confirm he was mafia before he flipped, other than a cop investigating him, which I did not do. Furthermore, I don't believe you can provide any proof that I categorically stated he was a jester either. My only assertion was that he was not the cop he was claiming he was, and as I've already said, going off of his own reactions to the situation he found himself in the only logical explainations for his actions were either mafia or jester. And i've clarified my stance on the jester role enough as it is.

There very well could be a framer, and if so you are quite unfortunate that he decided to pick you on the day I investigated you, but it does not change the fact that I investigated you and you turned up guilty. It also does not change the fact that I am a cop. If you are being framed, and end up dying unjustly because of me, then I will have done us and the town a disservice, but whenever I go it will still prove that I am a cop and that nothing I've said so far is a lie. I am not dealing with ifs, buts or maybes, only what is laid down in front of me. Either way, your idea is still speculation at best.

And I think you'll find that I actually asked you to explain how your claim had any more credibility than mine. I believe I've gone to great lengths to make it quite clear that siding with either one of us is a gamble to the town, if I have not made that clear enough already I apologise and state it openly right now. You're just picking at anything you can.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

His link with Liu Bei perhaps? His many flaws, unintentional contradictions? I assure you if he had been a jester he would be like : I'm mafia, hang me. But no, he went and created an entire story. Hardly what a jester would do. The reason he linked it with Liu Bei was probably to help clear his fellow mafians. That was enough proof for me. I started believing it more when the jester talk came up, because it was clear to me that that was just a tool to help him get away with it.

Of course it's a speculation. I can't explain your investigation any other way than with a framer.

I also never said my claim had more credibility. I said that both our claims have no credibility.

Do you really think i would have claimed Bodyguard out of all the roles? Heck to make your investigation seem credible I would have claimed Miller right now. But it works in reverse too right? Everything does, for that matter.

[[M] Anise]

Xiahou, it is interesting that you have lied back all this time and now decide to pop up once you are outed and make some posts of substance. looks like the guantlet has been thrown down and it's Guan or Xiahou today. I'm more inclined to believe Guan mostly for this reason:

Too bad Guan Yu. I'm the 8th guard. I can protect someone at night at the cost of directing the attack at myself. Pretty useless role if you ask me. I haven't protected anyone cause of the risk. Useless role is useless.

you didn't think to use that role to protect the confirmed governor that everyone believes? a role that can trade an confirmed town death for an unconfirmed one is not useless. Guan has explained his role and the way he used it very well, but you have not.

Guan, you mentioned you never voted for Cao Cao, but why did you not stick up for him more? if Xiahou was your day 2 guilty verdict then why didn't you vote for him that day? to behonest I am asking these questions based on what I remember so if it did happen in that sea of posts please forgive me. i am not going through 40 pages of posts at 7am.