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    Fantasy+SciFi doesn't bother me massively, but what does bother me is the idea that everything in the distant future is perfect and clean. Midgar of VII is a far more intersting future than Eden of XIII. And people shouldn't wear stupid clothes like Tidus does. If they make it simple for style and clothing, then it works. Even VIII was okay (although Esthar was too clean for my liking). VII was great. XIII was enjoyable but the settings were just immaculate and I didn't like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    Fantasy+SciFi doesn't bother me massively, but what does bother me is the idea that everything in the distant future is perfect and clean. Midgar of VII is a far more intersting future than Eden of XIII. And people shouldn't wear stupid clothes like Tidus does. If they make it simple for style and clothing, then it works. Even VIII was okay (although Esthar was too clean for my liking). VII was great. XIII was enjoyable but the settings were just immaculate and I didn't like that.
    I can agree with that for the most part. Dirty is much more interesting (and believable). The early Phantasy Star games were kind of the ideal blending for me. A Firefly kind of aesthetics.

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    the feedback I left:

    A step in the right direction. Feels considerably less melodramatic. World is more plausible; fantasy elements work best when limited. People will give many opinions of what they want to see, but be wary of reducing anything to a formula. If a project is backed by purposeful leadership, an honest vision, and a desire to make Art (rather than to target a demographic) then everything else will fall into place. That is what this company used to do, and that is what industry leaders are doing today.

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    The tech behind this is absolutely incredible, I love it!

    I'm also very interesting in the arabic-fantasy setting they have going, and I agree with silentenigma in that it feels much less melodramatic. Very much looking forward to this.


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    Don't worry, the melodrama won't be too far away. You just have to give it a bit of time, that's all.
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    Wait when Nomura said they were using "Luminous" as the lighting engine for Versus XIII, he was talking about this engine? On IGN it said it was next-gen, but would be scalable to current gen with shader support, but nothing of integrating a portion of the lighting engine over to a game already built in Crystal Tools. Am I reading too much into this?
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    This looks amazing. I want.

    Is it weird that this trailer invoked so much emotion in me? But are we sure this is FFXV or just a tech demo? I have no reason to believe it's not the former, but still.

    EDIT: I got the impression the "Arabesque" dudes were the good guys, which is an excellent and welcome change by changing up such an overplayed and nearing offensvie trope.



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    I thought the trailer was just beautiful the colors and everything together was breathtaking. The old guys beard looked like it was real that stroke me the most. I wonder what other games square is working on with this new Luminous engine.

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    The video looked cool but cool videos are not why I play video games.

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    I'm not sure how gameplay choices are relevant to the engine that the games run on.

    This is a demonstration of technology they have developed. I'm not complaining about the lack of a chassis, seats and windows when someone is showcasing a new and better car engine.
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    How could you showcase a better car engine without the car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Murder View Post
    The video looked cool but cool videos are not why I play video games.
    It is a general purpose engine could be used for RPGs or anything with a target of Direct X 11 level. It isn't similar to Source or Unreal where it is developed alongside with a game or focused on certain genre, so they don't have a choice but showing realtime events.

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    I agree a grittier environment is a more believable future. Even in an alternate reality, any being related to humans will never be able to produce a truly "clean" environment. Besides, in such an environment, where then would be the need to fight battles? Wouldn't it all be serenity..?

    I was curious about that soda bottle. Did she use magic to turn it into a potion? I suppose in this environment, they don't really have potions available like in the good ol' days.

    Hey about Nomura... Monty Oum started making Dead Fantasy videos on YouTube and highly advertised 6/7/8 and we have yet to see them. Then Nomura shell's out Kingdom Hearts and promises us Versus XIII... are we being played?
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    I like the fact the video doesn't have any of the over the top wire-fu of the last few FF projects. Makes the moments where you see magic and monsters stand out more and seem more wonderous than when you've got people cutting buildings in half and cartwheeling into a group of thirty soldiers and watching them get utterly destroyed.

    The world premise is also interesting, reminiscent of FFVIII's design with a mix of some sci-fi buildings and realistic modern building structures like the shanty town the video takes place in. I really loved the scene where she enchants the water to make it into a potion and you watch her restore herself. It's probably my favorite scene in the video.

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    It's a beautiful tech demo, but it's just that; a tech demo. Square Enix claims it's real time footage, as in, that's what a game developed with this engine is supposed to look likein game while playing. I find that concept orgasmic, but I refuse to believe it until I see it. Tech demos, and their developers, have a way of stretching the truth.

    Also, aside of a magic Crystal, I don't see what this has to do with Final Fantasy. Unless that thing she drank was supposed to be a potion.

    I hope this means they really are working on FFXV or at least throwing around ideas for it. As much as I love the Fabula Nova Crystallis thing, I would like to see a new FF with an entirely new story, world, cast of characters, and battle system sometime soon, that isn't an MMO, rhythm game, fighting game, etc. Or they could just release Versus, that would make me happy too.
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