I just wanna go over some highlights:

Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
I love screwing with you, you actually take the trolling to where it needs to be, "playful", and that is why conversing with you is fun.
Me too. Here we go -

[O]nce (sic) again, this is an argument that has no real solid facts one way or another but from what the census has shown me about VII fans on this forum, most of them were between 8-12 in 97, so until you come up with some hard style spreadsheets from multiple non-partisan affiliates to show that all the VII fans were "mature 16-21 years olds" I feel your argument is baseless.
Fallacy. Whether BoB likes FFXIII or not has no bearing on the capacity to look at FFVI in a reasonable way.
True, but I'm just teasing him cause that's what I do.

The fact you have the audacity to even suggest it's the same thing as DQV's hype tells me you are either full of bulltrout or you are some kind of saint whom we should enshrine in a mausoleum and have holy men take great pilgrimages to worship under your teachings, cause you lack any bias or pettiness.
You know, say what you want about these drawn out, short novel length response posts, but at least some of it was able to give me a couple serious laughs.

...but not nearly as many laughs as the unfathomably nonsensical arguments you put forth!

I think the CT length argument has muddled, but the original assertion, that it is a short game, can be upheld. I may have muddled it talking about how long it takes to explore all the content, but the truth is, anyway you slice it, it is a short game because there is only so long one playthrough can be. And that length is shorter than later generation games, some of which do have alternate scenarios and multiple endings.

And about DQ, I'll admit, it probably didn't have the same impact as the VI/VII debate. Mostly because DQ fans are, by and large, not as infeasibly insane as you FFVI fan are... The things that actually come out of your mouths are terrifying... But at the time I was a huge fan of DQVIII, I thought it was one of the best RPGs I ever played yet here I was confronted with another group of people telling me an SNES game was better. But, again, there's the distinction, that these people were arguably right.

I also want to echo BoB's statement about FFVI's linearity. Yes, all the major events pretty much progress in a logical order. But even then, when it comes to the non-linear elements, saying FFVI is nonlinear is like saying Mega Man is nonlinear. You're basically just choosing what order you complete an array of sequences, with little to no impact on the story if you don't do them at all. Please don't berate me about the ending. Whether or not I see what happens to the 9th character or whether or not I skipped re-recruiting them is a trifle.

Anyway, I'll just end this with what I said about Xenogeras. I actually wouldn't put Xenogears in my top 10. But I also understand that more often than not, my peers probably would put it there. I'm ok with that, because the game was a really powerful emotional experience. But anyway you slice it, it's hard to objectively argue that it's not a much better game than Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VI.