Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

It occurred to me that whilst it might be less dramatic, Melisandre's got a power that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than shadowbabby. That was a one-shot that killed one person, very usefully but ultimately nothing that couldn't have got done by a regular assassin.

No, she can find people. She found Gendry. She knew that he was A) King Robert's bastard, when only a handful of people knew that, and B) that he was still alive, which only a handful of people knew. No living people possess both those pieces of information, not even Gendry himself. The only people who know he was with the Brotherhood Without Banners were the Brotherhood, Arya, and Hot Pie, but she rode straight up into the camp (She knew where that was too) and found him. She knew enough to know he was alive and in that camp, even if she didn't necessarily know which incredibly sexy young man there he was.

Thus, either she's got a network of spies that Littlefinger and the Spider combined couldn't dream of or the Red God's given her more than just a shadowbabby. That said I'll never stop relishing her disbelief that the terrible drunkard nonbelieving Thoros of Myr gets to cast Rez.

(SPOILER)

It is quite more likely the R'hllor is giving her visions, as he has in the past. So much less she has a magic power to find people and more R'hllor being an active force and helping his followers. It also makes sense given that Thoros says that the power to resurrect the dead is not his but R'hllor's who happen to be listening/favouring him. The distinction is slight and perhaps not important to some, but it seems to be the one that his followers hold.

As for Patchface, I'd wager that either the Drowned God and/or Great Other (the antithesis of R'hllor) had touched him/involved itself with him thus he reaction. I also suspect that the Drowned God is just a facet of the Other. Actually as far as the R'hllor priesthood is concern, it would seem that all "false" idols are created by R'hllor's nemesis.

spoiler this stuff, come on man. The guy has clearly not read the book - psy

[Jinx]

I haven't seen this episode yet, but my uncle told me that they reveal that Talisa is pregnant. He's pretty upset about it, as IN THE BOOKS the make a big deal about her drinking the moon tea, and it's very ambiguous about her even being able to get pregnant. He's hoping they kill her off during the RW. He's just angry, as GRRM wrote this episode, and he feels like GRRM spoiled his own book.

[Freya]

GRRM Wrote it so.......................... I think HE of all people knows what he's doing with his own story o.o

I think they were going for having more of a connection to (SPOILER)Robb and Talisa so that way watchers are more connected to their "archs"

In the books you have all the time and perspective to come to love and like characters but the show doesn't have that time or that insight. They have to do things to make it move faster and stronger. And that was one way to do so.

[Jinx]

I never said that GRRM didn't know what was happening in his own books. xD

Just that he book spoiler? You'll probably be okay reading it BoB revealed that Jeyne/Talisa WAS pregnant. Which if the baby is carried to term and delivered, it will change things DRASTICALLY. Him bringing that into the show spoiled part of book 6 and/or 7.

Unless of course don't read unless you've read the books Talisa is killed during the RW, which is a possibility. Because, as you said, the show is trying to connect you to the characters, and that would be a good way to do so.

EDIT: And, as I've said, I haven't actually watched the episode for myself yet. Just relaying my uncle's opinion on the episode. I've yet to form an opinion of my own.

[Cuchulainn]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

(SPOILER)Shireen is the Drowned God now? smurf.

(SPOILER)Patchface is the drowned god? you've made quite a leap there.

[Shlup]

After Jaime saved Brienne BJ was all (contains huge spoilers) "Ever since they killed a cool guy (Ned) they never go through with deaths anymore." It was so hard to bite my tongue. I'll have to remind him of that comment in a couple weeks.

[blackmage_nuke]

Theon's parts are a real downer

[Cuchulainn]

Theon's parts are a real downer

(SPOILER)you mean they fall when they're cut off?.

[Jinx]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

(SPOILER)Shireen is the Drowned God now? smurf.

(SPOILER)Patchface is the drowned god? you've made quite a leap there.

It's actually not my theory. If you do a google search, you'll probably come up with a lot of returns on it. And also (SPOILER) that he is possibly the Great Other.

[McLovin']

Lacking epicness a GRRM episode normally has. Would have been cool to make the end more climactic.

[The Man]

@TB: That sounds like a crackpot theory if I've ever heard one.

[Jinx]

@TB: That sounds like a crackpot theory if I've ever heard one.

I don't think he's supposed to be either of them himself. More like he was possessed or something.

[Ouch!]

Given that Martin has repeatedly said that the existence of any of the gods in the series will never be confirmed--he's been pretty adamant that the ambiguity about which gods are real, or if any of the gods are real is important--I think it's fairly unlikely that anyone turns out to be a god.

Prophesy, on the other hand, is common (if ambiguous), and magic--whether it comes from gods or is only perceived to--clearly exists. If you're expecting R'hllor, the Drowned God, the Seven, or the Old Gods to come down from the heavens and intervene at some point, you're probably going to be disappointed.

Spoilers for AFFC and ADWD:Reading between the lines through much of the material in A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, it's becoming clear that Martin is interested in the struggle between the sciences and the occult. A number of Sam's chapters revealed that most of the Maesters in the Citadel hold disdain for studying magic (which is why most do not have that link on their chain).

It is strongly implied throughout the series that the presence of dragons in the world is related to the existence of magic (note, the sorcerers of Qarth said as much and it's only since Dany woke dragons that the red priests have been able to wield real magic; in the first book when Thoros of Myr participates in the melee with a flaming sword, the fire destroys eventually melts and destroys the sword). It is also strongly implied throughout the series that the Maesters' order was largely responsible for the death of the last dragons.

AFFC sets up a lot of trout in Oldtown, the Maesters, and the septons; Ja'qen's presence as a spy in Oldtown, moving a major POV character down to Oldtown (Sam), and the importance of Cersei's mistake arming the church are not all coincidence. Martin is setting up some big things to happen down south, and I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of it has to do with setting the maesters and the septons up against blasphemous magic.

[Freya]

You know who is looking terrifying? Freaking Drogon.

[Jinx]

Oh wow. That's awesome. The dragons finally are starting to look not cute! (Although it's still pretty cute, just in a different way.)