Ander Herrera deal won't happen apparently. This is an embarassing time to be a United fan.
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Ander Herrera deal won't happen apparently. This is an embarassing time to be a United fan.
Ozil to Arsenal after all. Good signing for them but I wonder if they can use more bodies upfront? Their midfield will be very good though.
Jose must really love E'to also if he's still contemplating all these loan moves.
Take care all.
I don't get why Arsenal particularly need Ozil when their strikeforce is all but non-existant. Huge whopping sum of money but fantastic to have such a brilliant player in the Premier League, especially when the likes of Bale and Tevez have left.
Fellaini will improve United but it smacks of desperation - chasing midfielders around all Summer while he was still available for a lower fee due to a release clause. He is good, but £27.5m good? Hmm.
I'm glad Özil is getting a chance in England. But I think he's worth a bit more money than what was paid.
Though, I must admit that I don't know all that much about the current shape of English football. Being in Austria, all I hear here about football goes like this:
Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, Salzburg, ALABAAAAAAAAAAAA! Rapid Wien...ad nauseum.
[You spit on mercy? Then you will have none! You want carnage?!]
[Garrosh will get more blood than EVER he bargained for!]
Man Utd confirmed for being the new Notts Forest/Liverpool in 5 years time
Southampton confirmed for being the old Southampton in 5 years time
Arsenal confirmed for being the same Arsenal in 5 years time
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They should never have loaned out Emmanuel Mayuka.
PS: Don't forget Leeds.
Why not?
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
Oh you.
Anyway Daniel Towns, Moyes apologist, how do you feel about it all now? Spending £27.5m on Fellaini when just two weeks ago £28m was offered for both Fellaini and Baines tells its own story (the story is not Leighton Baines is worth £0.5m), as does United not revealing the fee and Everton being very happy to.
I also have to ask about how you feel about him coming out and saying it was a good performance against Liverpool and the best this season. It wasn't. It was very, very poor. United had a lot of possession but didn't do anything of any value or create any real threats with it. Every team has days like that, but you bet your last pound that Fergie wouldn't have called it a good performance. His comments remind me a lot of Roy Hodgson when he was at Liverpool and out of his depth.
What do you think of these two issues?
I don't care about the price paid too much, but it will be interesting to see if he adds that much to our squad. With Fletcher and Scholes out we did need another midfielder but I was hoping for something a little different. Still, 11 goals last season? I'd take that much at the least, but I still feel that we could use a little something else. Will be interesting either way and as ever with new signings, I'll wait and see how he plays with us before making a firm judgement. Not one that excites, though! Not sure I'd pay £27m for him, but then I don't think I'd pay £86m for Bale, either. It reminds me of when we signed Carrick for what was considered to be an inflated cost by Mr. Levy, but it turned out being good business for us in the long run as Carrick is one of our better players these days. Of course, it also reminds me of when we paid a similar sum (to Carrick's) for Hargreaves and I never, ever felt it was worth it.Originally Posted by Psychotic
It wasn't. It was very, very poor. United had a lot of possession but didn't do anything of any value or create any real threats with it.I also have to ask about how you feel about him coming out and saying it was a good performance against Liverpool and the best this season.
I will, however, say that in the second half we were probably the better team (not by much), but you don't play a game by showing up for one half. It was a sloppy goal to concede to, but an awkward final touch to defend against. My main concern was up front, though - I can't help but feel we missed not just Rooney, but also Kagawa who didn't even make the bench. I think Kagawa should be played a lot more than he is, personally. Finally, I felt that our width and aggression was lacking - our crosses were terrible when we actually bothered to fire them in. I don't know whether I would blame Moyes for it all or not - I felt the players made a lot of really bad touches in the game, gave away a lot of balls and (again) those crosses were just awful. The good ones? Nobody was there to receive them! The manager should correct such things, absolutely, but I expect better of the players.
Liverpool won the first half considerably by being the first to every ball and closing down at every opportunity - and a bit of old fashioned muscling and bullying. Not of the reckless kind, but basically enough to wind up our players and unsettle them. It was clever work, and I couldn't believe how often our players just gave up or didn't even try to chase down the ball. The second half we were better, but still, not good enough. Needed Rooney or Kagawa... RVP was fairly absent. Hernandez did bring out the better, more aggressive nature of our play when he came on, but you can't always win games for your team when you come on with ten minutes to play. Welbeck is good, but I don't think he and RVP make the best forward pairing.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
I think a midfield trio of Fellaini, Carrick and Kagawa is actually pretty sexy, especially with Zaha and Nani on the wings. But then Fergie's team has always been built for a 4-4-2 (apart from the odd experiment here and there) and so far Moyes is emulating that... and he's playing Ashley Young, too. And, bizarrely, Giggs on the wing.
A lot of people talking out of their arse about the state of English football today.
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What do you know, I get home and can't be bothered to type anything, so I'll now put it in handy bullet point form!
- The Premier League is full of foreign players because they are better than homegrown players.
- If homegrown players were properly taught how to play football (read: ball skills rather than long ball 'stick the head in' medievalball tactics which have been officially proscribed by the FA in their coaching manuals since the late 80s) at a young age, they would grow into better footballers with more of a chance of playing senior football.
- While Germany, Spain, Holland et al put time and effort into revamping their youth schemes at the turn of the century and are now reaping the benefits, England have been left way behind evolutionarily. If you watch clips of Euro 96 you'll most teams hoofing it long. England are the only major team that stuck with it until very recently. Football has long since moved on.
- England last won something in 1966. They've come nowhere near (apart from one or two semi-finals) ever since. This trend pre-dates the Premier League by decades. If anything, the advent of the Premier League has improved their performances! England in the 70s and 80s were absolute garbage. Finishing in the group stages/second round/quarter finals has been par for the course for the last 50 years, and it's baffling why this is suddenly some sort of crisis.
- International-level youngsters also suffer by being put straight into the senior team once they appear to break into a PL first XI. This results in a situation where players in their early 20s have international experience merely in the form of the odd 20 minutes here and there as a sub in friendlies and qualifiers, rather than consistent starts in under-21 tournaments. What the hell is Raheem Sterling doing in the senior squad (yes Psychotic I'm still buttmad)?
- Qatar 2022 winners. We'll just leave that there.
- Chris Waddle needs to go back to doing what he does best, which is missing the target from 12 yards.
Last edited by Old Manus; 09-04-2013 at 10:39 PM.
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You would also think they'd realise that playing with or against the likes of Ozil, Mata, Van Persie, Aguero, etc. etc. every week as opposed to the likes of Dean Holdsworth or Steve Stone would improve the quality of the English players too.
Also yeah I don't know if Sterling should be in the England squad right now. Last year he was regularly starting but this season he's had two sub appearances after missing several months of football at the end of last season through injury.
I'm absolutely ecstatic about the Ozil deal; I don't think many people realize how great he is. He's, hands down, one of the best players in the world right now, and has room to develop a lot more. This signing (though, we could have signed a Striker and a CB, but we can wait till January, Vermaelen is returning soon and Theo could replace Giroud if he got injured on that role) will proper Arsenal to the top again.
not enough fck yeahs in the world, basically.
p.s the Viviano deal, is pretty neat too, he's a decent goalie and will provide competition for the GK spot.
>goaliep.s the Viviano deal, is pretty neat too, he's a decent goalie and will provide competition for the GK spot.
>GK
>arsenal fan
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there was a picture here
Yeah, your detection meter is way off.
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