Pokemon Gen 6, X & Y announced; worldwide release in October

[Tigmafuzz]

The dex so far:

Essentially, it's what you get when you cross-breed a golden retriever and a poodle, hence the name.

I wonder what it would look like shaven...

(SPOILER)

Can you customize any Pokémon, or only the Furfrous?

[WildRaubtier]

So Grass is Warrior, Fire is Mage, and Water is Rogue?

Reverse it, Grass is rogue, Fire is mage, Water is warrior.

[Skyblade]

So Grass is Warrior, Fire is Mage, and Water is Rogue?

Reverse it, Grass is rogue, Fire is mage, Water is warrior.

Really? How do you figure?

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Frogadier is both far more slender, and has more poise.
Quilladin is far more bulky, and has a far less controlled stance/personality.

Which of those two would you say could stealth, if the situation required it? Who looks more accurate, more precise, and more able to dodge?

[WildRaubtier]

Because Frogadier == Brigadier. And that grass type is clearly hooded and nefarious.

Water's stance is also hella more disciplined.

[Pike]

[Tigmafuzz]

And that grass type is clearly hooded and nefarious.

It'd be cool to have its final evo be Grass/Dark. Because then Froakie's final evo could be Water/Fighting, and they'd have a nice counterbalance going. Fire beats Grass, but Dark beats Psychic. Grass beats Water, but Fighting beats Dark. Water beats Fire, but Psychic beats Fighting.

Which would make Chespin's line a lot cooler, since Dark is the only one actually immune to its counterpart in the trio, instead of just resistant. Plus rogues are just the absolute coolest. I really hope its final evo isn't just a giant chestnut.

[Skyblade]

Because Frogadier == Brigadier. And that grass type is clearly hooded and nefarious.

Water's stance is also hella more disciplined.

I'll give you the name, but not the rest of us.

I don't see Quilladin as "hooded". Chespin is wearing a helmet, and Quilladin trades it out for a full set of spiky armor.

Also, I don't see anything "nefarious" about either of the grass types. They both seem really up-front and outgoing.

Yes, Frogadier's stance is more disciplined. That's kind of the point. Rogues are about agility: Controlled movements and precision. Frogadier has a very disciplined stance because it's the rogue. It is all about precise control of movements.

Let's look at the stances of both grass and water for a second. Froakie is completely unassuming and unthreatening. Then we get Chespin, the exact opposite. He's clearly taking an aggressive pose, with a stance and face that seem to say "I can take you". And then we have Quilladin, who is clearly the bulkiest of the Pokémon so far. Again, no subtlety or control in its stance, more a pose that screams "come and get me". As though it's a tanking warrior, not an agility based rogue.

While we're on names, though, if Frogadier's name uses "Brigadier" or even "Grenadier", Quilladin uses "Paladin" the same way.

Also, I went ahead and Googled "Warrior/Rogue/Mage" and "Pokémon" together, just to see where this discussion had come from, and the links I found all seem to be calling Froakie the Rogue, even before the release of the evolutions.

I also think Water/Dark, Grass/Fighting/ and Fire/Psychic are more likely than giving each a counter to it's usual weakness, even if it is unbalanced. Plus, I don't think we've gotten a Grass/Fighting yet, so it would be interesting to see.

[WildRaubtier]

Quilladin's name probably derives from Pangolin, not paladin.

Also, Breloom spits at you. Virizion hates you, too.

[Skyblade]

Quilladin's name probably derives from Pangolin, not paladin.

Also, Breloom spits at you. Virizion hates you, too.

If true, it's referring to essentially the only scale-covered mammals in the world. Scales would indicate armor, thus be more in line with a warrior than a rogue.

Sorry, I forgot Breloom. I didn't know about Virizion though. I haven't finished Gen V yet.

Edit: Since I'm petty, these are the top two results for my Google search with "Quilladin" and "Rogue":
Quill + Paladin
Quilladin=Palladin?


Warrior, Mage, and Rogue

Pokédex blurbs:
Official Pokémon website.

Notice that Chespin/Quilladin are all about the armor/shell, while Froakie and Frogadier are about it's jumping/agility?

Heck, Quilladin's species name is apparently "Spiny Armor Pokémon".


2nd Edit: Separate info, apparently Fairy's full effectiveness list is now available.
Type-Chart

Steel blocks Fairy well too, but the interesting thing is confirmation on giving Poison another type to do well against (about time), and Steel does double damage to fairies too (which, in addition to giving Steel a much-needed attack boost, also makes sense from a lore perspective. Iron is, after all, the bane of the Faerie world).

[Agent Proto]

[Skyblade]

Is anyone else confused by the Fairy type? It was implemented to Counter Dragons, which only had two Weaknesses, one of which was extremely uncommon.

To fix this, the introduce Fairies. Which only have two weaknesses. Both of which are really uncommon.

Granted, moves like Venoshock and Poison Cross have made Poison more useful in this Generation, but it's still a massively underutilized attack Type due to its horrible coverage.

Steel is better, since it has good availability and some Types can use it to cover weaknesses (plus some good Defenders get good STAB with it), but it's still not a mainstay on most teams, to my knowledge.

Are Fairies going to be the new Dragons?

Chespin looks way more awesome in that pic than anywhere else.

[Calliope]

I want a Chespin! I don't think we have a system that can support this game, though.

[Flaming Ice]

I'm liking the two fossil Pokemon, especially Amaura. I never would've expected a fossil brontosaurus to be part ice.

Dino Fighter .....

[Tigmafuzz]

Meet Amaura's and Tyrunt's Evolutions! | pokéjungle.net


mfw bearded dragon king evo




(SPOILER)I'm gonna name it Sephex

[Skyblade]

You get EXP for captures now? I'm not sure I like that. I used to use Pokemon I wanted to keep untouched for capturing.