Well, Tolkien was in the process of rewriting the Hobbit before he died. I have a feeling it would have been a more detailed novel that helped bridge the path to LoTR anyhow. I really enjoy what PJ has done and am looking forward to more, so it doesn't really bother me if there are adjustments in the films, as long as they remain entertaining.
None of this is from the Silmarillion. If it was, I probably wouldn't be soOriginally Posted by Shorty
about it. I don't think they have the licence to use stuff from that, which is why Gandalf couldn't name Alatar and Pallando as his wizard bros.
Oh, I swear I read that some of the story was from it! I haven't read the Silmarillion. In any case, it's a bunch of the Tolkien mythos that is not in The Hobbit.
If I'm correct, Turiel is a completely made up character by PJ.
Yeah, she is entirely PJ and Fran Walsh's creation. Although the trailer shows a possible love interest between her and Legolas, PJ and Evangeline still swear that the two characters don't have a love story, but her love story is with someone else. Elvenking Thranduil? Bard? Or maybe even Bombur!!
Some of it was. The origin of Thorin's "Oakenshield" moniker, for example, was Silmarillion material (or was it Lost Tales? Either way, it was from Tolkien's work).None of this is from the Silmarillion. If it was, I probably wouldn't be so
But, yeah, none of the extra stuff in the trailer was.
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So my friend described her husband's cupcakes as sounding like Smaug's Benedict Cumberbatch voice.
And I really want some freaking cupcakes after watching the trailer. While the additions to the story are pretty annoying, I am still just awed by how these movies are perfectly cast. I am looking forward to more regal Richard Armitage and heartful, hopeful Martin Freeman.
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Most of all I'm hoping for no more fat jokes about Bombur in this one. I cringed at every one in the last one.
Yeah, given how many of those are actually in the book, I don't see that happening. Bombur pretty much existed for comic relief. It was, after all, a kids book, and much less serious than Lord of the Rings. Granted, they may come across better in print, but I don't see those going away.
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Oh I don't have an issue with Tolkien's mythology. But inserting Legolas, inserting Tauriel, those are Peter Jackson's inventions, not Tolkien. Apparently, the invention of Tauriel was so The Hobbit wouldn't be such a sausage fest. He is adding in bits from the White Council, which kinda makes sense because that actually *was* what Gandalf was up to during the timeline of The Hobbit, only that information is in the appendices of Lord of the Rings and not in The Hobbit itself. But it does fit in with what was happening at the time. It's just that all the stuff with Sauron is so heavy and dark and you don't really need any of it in the Hobbit. The biggest foes in The Hobbit should just be Smaug and the orcs. No need for all the Sauron bits. That's all handled in LotR and shoulda been left there. Maybe with just a few hints and whispers of it as foreshadowing, but nothing more.I understand that Jackson loves the Tolkien realm and how big of a fan of it he is. Sometimes, though, sleeping dogs should be left lying. We don't need every bit of the Tolkien mythology put on screen. Let's have a little bit of mystery and leave the people wanting more instead of it erupting in this overwhelming volcano that pulls us in every direction.I think PJ is taking The Hobbit into a really weird direction and it makes me sad. Not saying that the first movie wasn't good. I was definitely entertained and parts of it were perfect. But The Hobbit is such a wondrous and magical story to me. And PJ seems more intent on making it a action flick.I need more whimsy!
As far as a cinematic sense goes, the extra story fluff is all neat but in general, I dislike all of the extra Silmarillion stuff being added. It's too much.
Nobody but the Tolkien estate has the rights to The Silmarillion. Peter Jackson and Company can't touch it. Which is a shame because The Silmarillion is badass and would make for an amazing mini series. Or can you imagine the story of Luthien and Beren as a ballet? Omg it would be so lovely.
I plan on introducing my kids to The Hobbit when they're old enough to read. But the movie versions I don't think they'd be interested in until much much later. It just doesn't have the same vibe as the book.
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Sure, but Peter Jackson cut a lot of book material out for the LotR movies to make it work better on the screen, and for a modern audience. Although adding material seems to be more of a concern than removing it this time around and he did include a lot of them in the first movie, so it's more of an unlikely wish than an actual hope.Yeah, given how many of those are actually in the book, I don't see that happening. Bombur pretty much existed for comic relief. It was, after all, a kids book, and much less serious than Lord of the Rings. Granted, they may come across better in print, but I don't see those going away.
My daughter is 4 (5 next month), and she loves the Hobbit cartoon/live action and book. LoTR...not so much. Yeah, she's a little young, but I'm also getting her into Final Fantasy. If she ever gets in trouble I'll get her to do the boring game grinding as punishment, lol.
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