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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    1. The Troll king healed Anna's head injury but you say that he also turned on Elsa and told her that her powers are dangerous. Yes, this is true, but the entire reason that they came to see the trolls is because of Elsa's lack of control. The Troll King was telling her that she needed to control her powers, which seemed to be the practical thing to do. A child with a great power is oen of the most dangerous things and for the King, locking Elsa away also seemed like the right thing to do for the protection of his family and his people as well as Elsa. Hiding her gift from Anna wasn't quite necessary but it made sure that she wasn't afraid of her older sister. What would you have done in the situation? Killed Elsa? Told everyone that she had magical powers so that people would fear her? I'd actually love to hear your explanation of what you would do if you were her father.
    Elsa's fear is what causes her powers to activate without her intent. Perhaps, I don't know, parenting your child would go a long way to making sure she doesn't blast anyone in the face with ice magic. Teach her how to be calm and test her to see what causes it to happen so that she can control it. You don't need to tell the whole world your kid is a witch; take her out back in a secret place. What's the difference between locking her in her room forever and locking her in her room until she gains control of her power at which point she can have a real childhood and you don't emotionally stunt two sisters and estrange them from each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    3. You failed to mention one of the cliches that are rampant in Disney movies: marrying someone that you've just met. I like that Disney turns away from this because it's just what they are expected to do with their stories. This movie is about showing the power of love in a different form, that love of a family can be just as true as a love with a mate.
    Not marrying Hans is nice. Falling for the other guy is less of a break away from stereotypes. The story is supposed to be about familial bonds, so shoehorning Kristoff-Anna together seems pointless. It's nice that this is subverted in the kiss, but the mention of True Love's Kiss and Anna going "oh snap does Kristoff like me? well I better kiss him" undermines the whole bit where we ask: Does Anna actually have romantic feelings towards him, or is she just happy to take anyone who is interested in her? Because 2 from 2 is a pretty dodgy track record.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    4. Anna heads off alone to find her sister because I'm sure she's thought through what might happened and considers the fact Elsa is afraid and may hurt somebody if she thinks she's going to be forced back to the kingdom. Put yourself in Elsa's shoes. You've just revealed your powers over ice and the cold, and after running away your sister comes after you with a group of men. What are you going to think?
    Does a snowman, a reindeer, and one ice cutter count as a "group of men"? Elsa lets her fear and protective streak get the better of her and wants Anna to leave. She is too pig-headed to actually listen to the argument that, um, the whole of everywhere is smurfed over by your eternal winter (ps how did anyone know it was eternal, it had been like 3 days tops by the end). I understand that she wanted to be free and I wholly support that goal, but maybe not being a complete bitch to the only family you have left would be nice. She was actually important to you, and she, y'know, will die if you freak out and shoot her with ice ma-- oh, oh you just did that. Good one, Elsa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    Also, it was sort of an idiot move for Anna to leave Hans in charge but she truly believed they were in love at this point. You have to remember that. She's naive and young and dumb, and she thinks that Hans will take care of everything for her. He does do a good job taking care of the people while she's gone and he even goes after her when Anna's horse comes back to Arendelle riderless. I'm sure he's assuming he will find her in the snow somewhere but regardless, he still plays the part of Prince Charming throughout the entire movie. There's nothing sinister about him until the end.
    Hans is great. His motivations are horrific but he plays the nice guy really well. I can't fault Anna for trusting him because she is a moron.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    5. I don't think it's true that Kristoff and Anna have no chemistry. Maybe they have none romantically but their conversations flow fairly well and it's obvious that they have potential to be friends. The best of friends don't agree all the time and I think that's what makes them best friends because they know they don't share opinions on everything but still accept each other for who they are.
    They learn how to get along pretty well over two days but, um, yeah, that's not exactly the best conditions to start a relationship, especially when you have bigger fish to fry, and that Anna has literally fallen in love with the only two men she has met since she was a child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    In all honesty, I think that it sounds like you just wanted to write about all the negative things of this movie and then you gave it a 7.5/10? From the way you describe it, it sounds like you should have given it a 2/10. I don't think you mentioned one good thing about it except that you liked Hans.
    Perfectly valid. Plenty of other people have published what they liked about it. Perhaps maybee was particularly unpleased with the rabid fans who overlooked some really dodgy qualities. Frozen was a good movie. It has some horrific lessons. I'd give it a 7ish out of 10. You will not hear me say any nice things about it apart from "the animation was magnificent" because I am more passionate about the bad things being overlooked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    8. Seriously? The "Fixer Upper" song is a misunderstand on the trolls' part. They think that Kristoff has brought her to them because he wants to marry her and when he mentions she's engaged to someone else, they think it's a quick fix to just marry them outright right there. They think they are helping when it's obvious they're not. Kristoff and Anna quickly stomp this small flame of hope out for them when they inform the trolls that they are only there to see what can be done about Anna's condition.
    Marriage is not a "solution" for another betrothal. This teaches children that if they can steal somebody's love then they should. Can you imagine a generation of girls who backstab each other to win boys? Far out. The fact that this is a musical jingle makes it problematic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    Also? Your opinion on the "fixer-uppers" being dangerous? It sort of made me laugh. EVERYBODY is a fixer-upper, whether they want to admit it or not. We all have flaws that we need to continuously work on and better ourselves. Kristoff is a fixer-upper. Anna is a fixer-upper. You're a fixer-upper. I'm a fixer-upper. I like that the movie shows that people use "true love" as a weapon to get what they want via Hans. Also, it's true that Kristoff doesn't much like people but he wasn't going to let Anna die. Throughout the movie this becomes apparent because of what kind of person he is.
    One thing that I liked about what you said is: "Little kids are going to grow up with this, thinking that the Fixer Upper man is the man to go for and nice guy, is going to murder your smurfing family." Sadly, this is actually what happens a lot in real life. The "fixer-upper" man is actually the guy to go for. Usually nice guys that you don't know are out to murder your "smurfing" family. Take Ted Bundy for example. He was handsome, suave and he seemed genuinely nice when women first met him and became interested in him. Do I need to say more?
    This is personal opinion and not a universal definition for the term fixer-upper. If a guy beats you, just show him love: he's a fixer-upper and loving him will help him! If a girl is clingy and doesn't let you see your friends, stick with her anyway: a little love can change the world! There are some really terrible applications of this mindset that people will encounter frequently in their lives. I don't think anyone who argues against this song is a proponent of the idea that you should toss aside anyone who is any work. But if you are not happy, don't stay in a smurfing relationship under the false guise that it will get better. I have seen this numerous times and I have been a part of this. It nearly killed me but I tell you what I loved my little heart out. Didn't change a damn thing.

    There are plenty of negative things in Frozen that aren't highlighted nearly enough. Disney has a multitude of problems generally but you will rarely hear anyone say anything bad about them except that potentially there is a chance that Walt Disney was maybe potentially possible anti-Semitic. Maybe. It's very likely to be untrue. But that's the only bad thing I ever hear about anything Disney. Oh. Also that Disney World sucks and Disney Land is better. Critical discourse is important.
    Last edited by Jiro; 05-06-2014 at 02:46 PM.

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