Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Pike]

I will never know why people have a problem with cliches. Cliches are cliche for a reason which is because they work. I don't care how cliche something is as long as it makes me feel feels, and Ygritte/Jon made me feel feels so deal w/ it

[Shorty]

I wasn't really too bothered about it. The only bad guy firing arrows at that point was Ygri-- oh wait. And the rest of the soldiers were in the midst of battle and I believe at that point the Watch were winning, so it's not like he was going to get killed all of a sudden. Sure, they played it out better in the books, but it wouldn't have made for great TV. "Oh by the way someone shot Ygritte we don't even know who."

I don't think it matters who shot Ygritte; it certainly didn't in the book, and I don't think it matters that the kid shot her in the episode, it was just an ironic moment. It could have been just as powerful of a scene for Jon to be running by in battle and see her out of the corner of his eye stuck with an arrow and halt in his tracks by surprise and have them do that same scene anyway.

[Loony BoB]

Yes, but it's far better television in general to go with what they showed off. "Dat's good telly."

[Formalhaut]

I think the reason why Grenn and Pyp died is because the show only has time to focus on a few characters on the wall, whereas the books have more room to include more named characters.

That, and I guess for dramatic effect and emotional attachment, and all that.

[Ayen]

Speaking as a cliche myself I can tell you that the cliche in the last GoT episode was of adequate quality, and all those who disagree are objectively and morally wrong

Okay, maybe not. But how awesome does objectively and morally wrong sound?

[Shaibana]

that kind of movie-cliche just doesnt fit GOT, thats the whole problem

[Rantz]

I don't really mind cliches in general. I guess I just wasn't feeling this moment, or the chemistry between Jon and Ygritte's actors in general, which made the cliche-ness of the moment much more apparent. I didn't think it was completely terrible, just one of the lamest points of the episode for me. I can see how it'd be easier to appreciate if you were more immersed in the tension between the two.

[Dr Unne]

Remember Joffrey's death? It was messy and painful and people were freaking out, screaming, crying, panicking. That was a good death. If I got shot through the chest with an arrow, I for one would probably be showing some indication that I was in agony. If the girl I loved got shot, probably the same. I wouldn't assume Hollywood Death Position and talk about my feelings.

If they had to bring Ygritte and Jon together again, here's how it should've gone:

*Ygritte sees Jon*
Ygritte: SMURF YOU JON SNOW! I HATE YOU!
*Ygritte shoots arrow that just barely misses*
Jon: NO! YGRITTE! STOP!
*Ygritte charges him with a knife screaming, a battle cry, hatred in her eyes. Jon is paralyzed, he doesn't want to fight her, it's heartbreaking and terrible.*
*Suddenly Ygritte is shot in the back at the last second*
Ygritte: UGH! AAAAAAAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHRJKVBLBBLBLBLBLBBBLLLLBBBLLLL
*Ygritte spins and clutches at her back ineffectively. Blood spills everywhere.*
Jon: YGRITTE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
*Jon runs to her and tries to help. With her last strength Ygritte shoves him off and glares at him, unable to speak, struggling to breathe, kicking her feet in the dirt in a futile effort to get away or do anything. She dies with her angry eyes fixed on Jon.*
Jon: Ygritte! Ygritte...
*Jon stares in shock for a second. Then the sounds of battle bring him back to life. He staggers away, broken, weeping bitter manly tears, looking around without seeing anything. Then he sees a wildling, snarls and uses him as an outlet for the pain he's feeling. Camera pans out, showing all the filthy, bloody Night's Watch in black fighting the filthy, bloody wildlings. Camera zooms out further, until Jon blends in with all the nameless faceless people who fought and lives and died today, and the sounds of battle are lost in the snow. Fade to next day. Life sucks. GAME OF THRONES*

It would've fit the show. In real life people have stupid grudges and they hold onto them. Ygritte spent the past few months plotting Jon's death, why the change of heart? There is no change of heart in the books from what I recall.

Instead we get:

Ygritte: I just murdered dozens of your friends. Oh yeah also a while back I helped that bald guy eat some people. I've been plotting your death for 3 months because you betrayed me. But now I lurrrrrrrrrrrrve you~
Jon: Let's snuggle~ Good thing no one is paying attention to me, the strapping young warrior that just got off the elevator and single-handedly turned the tide of the battle. Good thing this entire castle full of my sworn brothers and the fate of the entire realm doesn't depend on my actions. I'll just go ahead and expose my back now.
Ygritte: *dies*
Jon: 8{

Maybe not so bad as that, but close. They acted it well, but the writing was silly.

[Alive-Cat]

Maybe it was cheesy, but I'm happy with it because it's the ending I wanted for them in my heart. It's tv, it's not real...and although one of GoT's best qualities is its realism when it comes to the characters, it still doesn't always have to be so.

You get people complaining about the characters dying all the time; but that's real. Then when something is a little cheesy and more like a tv show, other people don't like it.

I just like how GoT manages to pull it all off and very well, really.

[McLovin']

complain all you want but without that scene then this fanart would never have been possible. Gives me chills. And it seems to be inspired the FF8 logo no? Squall and Rinoa = Jon and Ygritte

[Ayen]

Haters gonna hate.

[Raistlin]

I agree with Unne for the most part, though I still understand why Ygritte hesitated. My biggest issue is that the scene was just out of place in the gritty realism that surrounds most of the show. Obviously Jon was going to be hurt by her death, but there's a difference between being hurt and kneeling down unprotected in the middle of a goddamn battle while the camera slowly pans out. It was out of place for the show, and just unrealistic for Jon.

And Sam's reaction to Pyp was entirely different: 1) they were hidden behind a half-wall surrounding the platform, and 2) Sam generally being a less-experienced wuss whose mid-battle freakout was more in-character and realistic. Ygritte's death was an overly-cheesy attempt to get people to "feel feels," but all I felt was bile in my throat. It was definitely done better in the books: there are a lot of people, and you don't always see who dies. People aren't always killed in big dramatic moments with all eyes upon them.

It was the opposite of Oberyn's death, where the show did everything to look like it was setting up the stereotypical good vs. evil, David vs. Goaliath underdog victory over insurmountable odds to complete his revenge against a sworn nemesis and then... oh wait, his head's cracked open. Whoops. I can respect the cheesey buildup if you're going to subvert expectations.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Omg. You guys suck. A bunch of critical meanie heads. Just enjoy the show.

[Freya]

IT WAS TOUCHING AND IT WAS GOOD. STOP BEING MEANIES.

[Rantz]

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