EoFF Mafia : 2of4 Micro

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I've never played a longer mafia game. I can see your point with that working better for a longer game. I can still see it working for a shorter game, but it just depends on how you work it out. It would take precise maneuvering from both mafia people I think, and it would still be extremely risky because a lot of factors could screw it up. I was just saying that I still had reasonable doubt whether you were town or mafia.

Anyways I see your point in your last post, though, and it seems in line with my current thinking. Despite the fact that you and shion were about neck and neck in my mind, she has continued to be just slightly higher in suspicion for me. I hope I don't regret this and find you really were doing the long con.

##Vote: shion


Anyways, my break is about to end. Hopefully the connection holds up for this post to send. I'll review any further discussion upon getting home from work to see if anything changes my thinking.

[Pumpkin]

Bye everyone ;___;

[Citizen Bleys]

A lynch has been reached!

Vote Count 4.2

Scotty_ffgamer (0) -
(L-1)Jessweeee♪ (1) - shion
(HAMMER!)shion (1) - Jessweeee♪, Scotty
Not Voting: Nobody

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch or no lynch

shion has been lynched. She was Maude Lebowski, a Vanilla Townie.
Jessweeee♪ has been endgamed. She was Sir Walter of Poland, a Vanilla Townie.

The Mafia team of I Took the Red Pill and Scotty_ffgamer has won the game!

As the game is over, now anyone living or dead, player or non-player, may now participate in this thread for postgame analysis.

Scum QT

Dead QT

Mod QT

I've got to afk for a while, but I'll be back later to participate in postgame analysis, answer any questions, and provide any feedback requested--although you may find answers and the feedback you're looking for in the Dead QT.

[Pumpkin]

We aren't friends anymore Scotty

[Madonna]

Well, that was unexpected. Good luck next time, town, and congratulations, scum.

[Pumpkin]

As the game is over, now anyone living or dead, player or non-player, may now participate in this thread for postgame analysis.

Scum QT

Dead QT

Mod QT

I've got to afk for a while, but I'll be back later to participate in postgame analysis, answer any questions, and provide any feedback requested--although you may find answers and the feedback you're looking for in the Dead QT.

So I read these. Good to know people think I suck at this game .

Today has been a good day

[Madonna]

Citizen Bleys, thank you for being a fantastic moderator, thanks for the introduction to QuickTopics, and even the graveyard was tons of fun. I think you brought a lot of good from MafiaScum, even when you left some people behind with OMGUS, AtE, and so forth. Nyah.

shion, you can always get better, and it is important to know that is how they feel about you as a Mafia player, not as a fantastic and wonderful person with a cute Hamtaro set.

[Shorty]

I hope that everyone can see that the opinions of player moves does not reflect on the opinion of the actual person making these moves. I think that there is a reasonable cushioning for newbies and that people understand we don't have enough experience to make perhaps otherwise obvious moves.

When spectators are watching a football game, they constantly yell about bad plays and what could have been done otherwise. It doesn't mean anything; this is just a stupid game.

[Shorty]

Thank you to Bleys for organizing an awesome game for a first-timer. This was super fun and I hope we can do more.

[Citizen Bleys]

So I read these. Good to know people think I suck at this game .

Today has been a good day

It was your first game, wasn't it?

Nobody expects you to be an ace the first time you play. I was pretty bad in my first game here at EoFF, and worse on my first game on MS.

I was overall impressed with the first time players, especially on D1 because of Shorty giving the scumteam PR vibes that caused them to shoot her instead of Jinx -- especially since Jinx was the only PR, and because of Jinx stopping the mafia from getting a rolecop result. Since the rolecop was lynched day 2, that completely neutralised the rolecop.

The biggest learning opportunities were mentioned in the Dead QT: Jinx could have inferred shion's alignment due to there being a kill and only one scum on the night shion was jailkept and breadcrumbed the result so the town could guess shion's innocence should Jinx die, and a massclaim on D3 may have flushed Laddy out. The last one, as has been mentioned, was that Scotty could have hammered and won as soon as shion voted, were he not under the impression that the day had to run all the way to deadline. (I said otherwise on D1, but that would be easy to skim over, and no other day reached a hammer point due to the short deadlines). Having seen Scotty post with shion at L-1, the thought process Jess used to conclude that shion was scum was correct, even if the conclusion was not. However, this didn't really change the game, it was effectively over from the first vote of D4.

Lylo is different from the rest of the game in that enough people to pull off a lynch should usually agree to do so before the first vote is cast, in order to prevent scum from having an opportunity to quickhammer.

This setup works a lot better as a teaching setup with longer deadlines, so that it's reasonable to employ the rule whereby if no hammer has been cast at deadline, a no lynch results. This is how it's done at mafiascum in most games, but although I was hosting mafiascum style (You may have noted that other hosts have not assumed the responsibility of posting vote counts), I did not believe that a no hammer=no lynch method would work with 24 hour deadlines. Trying to do that here would essentially ensure that scum won every game by getting 2-3 nightkills in per lynch.

Role layout : With one of the 2of4 roles landing on VT, your first impression might be to think that the roll favoured scum. This isn't the case, since Jailkeeper is the most versatile role that pops in the 2of4 setup. As the game progresses, both sides may naturally gravitate towards thinking about cops, since a cop who claims a guilty before lylo basically guarantees a scum lynch, but a jailkeeper can function as a doctor while two scum are alive and a cop after the first scum lynch--a jailkeeper can't provide the town with a cop guilty, but they can provide a cop inno by revealing or crumbing who they jailkept on nights where only one scum was left and someone died.

Setups with a jailkeeper are also the only setups where one PR can confirm the other, in the scenario I posted in the dead QT where a doc's target dies overnight.

The most horribly scum-sided possibility in 2of4 is Doc/VT (I've been the doc in that. We lost badly), but Cop/JK is just as heavily town-sided. Cop/JK in this setup actually has a higher win rate than Cop/Doc because neither cop nor doc can be sure the other is there, defeating the gamebreaking follow-the-cop method in open setups where it is known that both roles are there.

One stylistic issue I'd like feedback on: Did you like the use of a Dead QT instead of an open thread like previous games on EoFF have employed?

[Citizen Bleys]

Thank you to Bleys for organizing an awesome game for a first-timer. This was super fun and I hope we can do more.

I'm actually quite happy we had multiple first-timers in this game. I picked this setup because I miss playing it from my newbie days not so long ago at mafiascum, but it was designed specifically to teach the game to new players. The current newbie setup there is Matrix6, which I find less fun to play, even if no setup is as scumsided as doc/vt or townsided as cop/jk.

[Citizen Bleys]

Also, did anyone have an issue with my hosting style being too different from previous EoFF games, heavily influenced as it is by an outside site?

If at any point you thought "Go back to mafiascum, outsider," the answer is yes.

If it's yes, is it for any reason other than the use of a private Dead QT instead of a public thread or host-supplied votecounts (where traditionally the players are responsible for keeping count of votes here)?

[Shorty]

I've not had the opportunity to utilize anything other than a private thread, but I quite liked it. Can non-players can request to be included in order to observe?

[Endless]

Shion: I was a stupid townie

Bleys: I didn't participate in the previous mafia games, so no comparison I can make. I had no issue about how you ran the game, though my time was short >.> The QT is nice to have around, I didn't know about it, and it was nice (and easier to set up than a hidden forum/thread so it's a plus).

What annoys me here is that I was too dumb to not go with Jess and question Laddy before casting my vote, and it feels like the mafia wins because the town killed itself dumbly, rather than because the scum lead us by the nose.

Also I hate losing

[Citizen Bleys]

I've not had the opportunity to utilize anything other than a private thread, but I quite liked it. Can non-players can request to be included in order to observe?

Yes. If I didn't say that explicitly in the signup thread, I meant to ><

Nobody requested spectator access, so the dead thread was just me and the actual dead.

The only issue with spectator access to a dead QT is that privileged information such as night action results and targets can be posted (indeed, that's the whole point to a private thread) and thus anybody who requests spectator access to a dead thread would thus be ineligible to play. It also precludes situations we've seen in previous games where dead players replaced back in later in the game for the same reason.