DoC..... ugh...
WHY!!!?!!!??
DoC..... ugh...
WHY!!!?!!!??
But it ruins Cloud's character completely. Cloud was this man with low-self-esteem and low self worth and yet, he managed to defeat the mighty Sephiroth. Last Order just ruins Cloud.Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I'd give that honor to Last Order, which had a bit more tasteful fight scenes and made Sephy look impressive instead of an idiot in the Nibelheiim Reactor.It's still probably the best thing to come out of the Compilation
Sephiroth lost any common sense when he went loopy insane.
But he still singlehandedly killed Sephiroth in the flashback in FFVII. That was kind of a confirmation that Cloud actually had some guts in him all along, and it wasn't all Zack.
In the original game and in Crisis Core Cloud believes that he's basically a nobody, he's worthless- because he cannot come a Soldier and become the next hero and win over Tifa. But then Cloud and the player realize that Cloud was a strong and brave hero all along, he just needed to believe in himself more. Cloud manages to survive Sephiroth's deadly blade and uses all of his strength and inner-will to not let Sephiroth murder him in that place, and instead takes control of Sephiroth's sword and overcomes Sephiroth's power and instead tosses him into the Lifestream below.
It's amazing, and impressive and makes Cloud a wonderful and relatable main hero.
Last Order just destroys all that, throws it in the bin, for Sephiroth fanboy-ism.
Sephiroth speaks to Jenova and Cloud stabs him in the back, injuring him- Cloud then rushes to Tifa to see if she's okay, Tifa and Cloud speak about their childhood promise. Sephiroth, holding Jenova's head stands there in front of Cloud. Cloud wielding the Buster Sword rushes towards Sephiroth, but before Cloud can attack him, Sephiroth cuts him right through with his sword; Cloud gasps in pain.
Instead of Cloud grabbing Sephiroth's sword, Cloud is easily tossed to the side like a rag doll. Cloud is then stabbed by Sephiroth again. Cloud then does grab Sephiroth's sword, BUT he's just tossed into the wall. Cloud with Sephiroth's sword still cut through him collapses to the ground.
Sephiroth smiles at Cloud and grabs Jenova's head and he jumps into the Lifestream himself.
Cloud watches him jump and cries slighty, holding his injury and finally blacks out.
- Original
Cloud comes in to witness a injured Tifa and Zack. Cloud grabs Zack's Buster Sword and comes running in and stabs Sephiroth while he's proudly standing in front of Jenova. Cloud calmly takes off his Shrina mask, and races towards Tifa.
Tifa who just bravely attempted to stop Sephiroth is now unable to speak, Cloud looks at her like this might be their last time together.
Sephiroth comes in, holding Jenova's head- Cloud watches him go by and Zack tells Cloud to go and stop Sephiroth. Zack tells Cloud to go and stop Sephiroth !
Cloud yells Sephiroth's name and runs towards him, but Sephiroth rams his blade straight through him. Sephiroth lifts up him up in the air, like he's a weakling, a nothing- but Cloud shakes his head and grabs Sephiroth's sword, much to Sephiroth's shock and horror and Sephiroth is tossed into the Lifestream- completely defeated by a young sixteen year old boy who didn't even make it into Solider.
Last edited by maybee; 05-06-2016 at 04:14 PM.
Well that's dumb. Dumber than Crisis Core. #comeatmewolfcanoe
Final Fantasy: All The Bravest
FF ATB was fun time waster that was free DoC was none of those
You forget the part where Cloud scares the trout out of Sephiroth after grabbing his sword and pulling it through himself even more so he can get closer to Sephiroth like a damn badass only for Sephy to question if Cloud is even human.Sephiroth speaks to Jenova and Cloud stabs him in the back, injuring him- Cloud then rushes to Tifa to see if she's okay, Tifa and Cloud speak about their childhood promise. Sephiroth, holding Jenova's head stands there in front of Cloud. Cloud wielding the Buster Sword rushes towards Sephiroth, but before Cloud can attack him, Sephiroth cuts him right through with his sword; Cloud gasps in pain.
Instead of Cloud grabbing Sephiroth's sword, Cloud is easily tossed to the side like a rag doll. Cloud is then stabbed by Sephiroth again. Cloud then does grab Sephiroth's sword, BUT he's just tossed into the wall. Cloud with Sephiroth's sword still cut through him collapses to the ground.
Sephiroth smiles at Cloud and grabs Jenova's head and he jumps into the Lifestream himself.
Cloud watches him jump and cries slighty, holding his injury and finally blacks out.
Not to mention that Cloud beating Sephy in the original looks ridiculous and makes Sephy look like a moron. Cloud uses his body weight to seesaw his way back to the ground (with all physicist shaking their head at this moment) and lifts Sephiroth who for some reason refuses to let go of his sword and just stand there letting Cloud toss him into the reactor. It is the most visually awkward moment in the whole game.
I'd also point out the original shows that Cloud actually helped Sephiroth by mistake for throwing him in the reactor whereas LO doesn't.
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No one is whining about Cecil and co. standing by petrified as Golbez's hand steals the crystal. That's infinitely more embarrassing than Cloud and Sephiroth.
I see no reason to be shocked when Sephiroth similarly stands frozen at an unfortunate moment. He's also probably not thinking too straight, what with being insane and also the horrible pain from Cloud's previous attack. And sheer dumb shock from what Cloud is doing as well.
As for "helping" Seophiroth, Cloud effectively killed Seophiroth for five years. It's not his fault Sephiroth had magic BS powers.
Yeah, Sephiroth is mostly likely in horrid shock about what's happening. Cloud is just some sixteen year old nobody who couldn't even make Solider. Cloud is a grunt that Shrina doesn't even think too much about, the other Shrina grunt who teams up in the Nibelheim mission is tossed aside without a thought when he goes missing. Cloud is just a nobody. Meanwhile this 'nothing' is destroying him, and has even outsmarted him.
Sephiroth is in complete shock about how on earth this army grunt is completely outsmarting him and not just simply dying to his sword like the others in Nibelheim. Heck, Zack attempted to stop Sephiroth and Zack got completely smurfed up by Sephiroth.
Sephiroth's response to this is ' eh, what the smurf ' ?
The fact that Cloud just managed to defeat the legendary hero Sephiroth is why he's such a amazing lead Final Fantasy hero, because Cloud believes that he's worthless- when in reality, he's better than he thinks, he just needs to believe in himself alot more. Cloud is strongly relatable. It's why Cloud is so beloved. It's not because he has a massive sword or does amazing motorbike stunts in Advent Children. It's because he feels human.Exactly ! Plus it was either to do that or die to Sephiroth's sword.
Last edited by maybee; 05-08-2016 at 12:11 PM.
Zack's a standard shounen protagonist, Cloud's much more interesting. Definitely on the "only original game is canon" philosophy side, I dislike the retcons in the later releases. They miss the tone of the original, often wildly.
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