Prequal to FFXII?

[Sam250]

Who else, other then me, would like to see a prequal to FFXII, a la FFVII's various prequals?

Peronsally, i would love to see a game with Reddas as the main character- he seems to have an interesting and rich backstory (more so than some of the main characters, in fact, but thats not saying much), so i think that would be great.

Would you like to see a prequal, and, if so, what would it revolve around?

[Karellen]

I honestly can't think of a single aspect of FFXII's backstory that would be worth making a game about. I'd rather just see another self-contained game set in Ivalice with its own history, a la Vagrant Story.

[PeneloRatsbane]

maybe they could have a bit more of a rasler adventure with basch.
or play as Judge Ffamran and how he became a pirate, got the strahl and met Fran and embarked on his current life. that would be an ok game i think

[BG-57]

I'd like to see the Zodiac Braves story at the time of St. Ajora. It'd be interesting to see how the Espers were freed to become Lucavi. It'd be a good way to bridge the story of FFXII and FFT.

[Nifleheim7]

No,Revenant Wings is enough for me.

[Darkja]

I wouldn't mind a prequel with a Trinity Sight system ala Suikoden III, with characters in Rozzaria, Archades and Dalmasca.. more intricate plots and character development and history instead of endless dungeon crawling.
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[Renmiri]

Wolf Kanno and I are making a RPG on the world of Ivalice that takes place 6 years before XII: the time when Cid hears about Giruvegan and meets Venat.

Come right over if you like RPGs. It will be lots of fun! :love:
FFXII Ivalice - Final Fantasy Project (http://forums.ffproject.net/forumdisplay.php?f=232)

[Bolivar]

Wolf Kanno and I are making a RPG on the world of Ivalice that takes place 6 years before XII: the time when Cid hears about Giruvegan and meets Venat.

Come right over if you like RPGs. It will be lots of fun! :love:
FFXII Ivalice - Final Fantasy Project (http://forums.ffproject.net/forumdisplay.php?f=232)

actually that would've been my answer. Cid's travel to Giruvegan, especially to show how the hell he made it in and out alive...

Gabranth's story (how he rose to judgeship and eventually gained the rank of judge magister) would be cool, seeing as how he's like the mascot to the game.

More on Lord Rasler would be cool...

And a game all about Raithwall that explained EVERYTHING in XII would probably be a top idea.

[Flare_Cross]

i don't see one coming...

[Sam250]

i don't see one coming...

Whether you do or not, a little discussion never hurt anyone.

Cheers for the link, Renmiri, looks pretty interesting.

More about Lord Rassler, i think, would be great. Despite the fact that hes supposed to be a main character, we know nothing about him. I would love to know more about his life, and to have his relasionship with Ashe fully explored also.

However, i'm not sure if a game centered around him would be all that great. He's young and it dosn't seem like he has much of a story to tell. Mabye as a side-story in a game about Reddas or Batheier or Gaberanth.

Also, another idea, more about Nabudis before it was destoryed. I'm not sure if this is correct (appartently i wasn't paying much atention during the game), but didn't Gaberanth and Basch come from Nabudis? If so, this would fit perfectly with a game about Gaberanth, as well as having some more about Reddas as Judge Zecht and his and Gaberanth's rivalry, and mabye Balthier as Judge Ffamran. Then there could be more about how Balthier met Fran also, and how he fround the Strall.

Also, with all this about Judges, i'd also like to see more about...the judges! I'd like to see the a rivalry develop between Drace and Bergon, and mabye a underlying alliance between Drace and Zargabaath, as the events in the game hinted towards such things.

This would make a great fan-fiction.

[Hazzard]

Gabranth and Zecht had a rivalry?

[Sam250]

I have no idea, but from the way they spoke atop the Pharos, it sounded like there was no friendship between them.

In any case, it would be interesting to find out there relationship.

PS: This, atcually, was one of my favorite parts of XII: because character development and info about there past is minimal, it allows anyone with a hint of imagaination to dream up there own storys, and come to there own conclusions , such as the ones i have made above.

[Renmiri]

Yeah, six years before XII is a pretty interesting period. Balthier and Cid still talk, and Balthier is about to be made Judge. Landis still exist (possibly) and Basch / Gabranth are still in there. Rassler lives in Nabudis which is a vibrant city. Ashe has several older brothers and is not in line for the throne.

No one knows about Nethicite and Giruvegan. Rozarria and Archades compete but not too seriously. The Nabradia and Dalmasca kingdoms are still around and Bhujerba is an independent territory (or is it Dalmasca's ?).

Fran is still with the viera, or maybe she already left and will meet Balthier soon. Mjrn is on Eruyt still. Reks is the leader of a bunch of street urchins who lost or will lose their parents to a deadly plague.

Anyhow, there's tons of interesting stuff to explore in fan fiction or RP :love: :love: :love:

[PeneloRatsbane]

Fran left the viera 50 years before the game so. she would have been away for 44 years then.

[Bolivar]

I have no idea, but from the way they spoke atop the Pharos, it sounded like there was no friendship between them.

In any case, it would be interesting to find out there relationship.

PS: This, atcually, was one of my favorite parts of XII: because character development and info about there past is minimal, it allows anyone with a hint of imagaination to dream up there own storys, and come to there own conclusions , such as the ones i have made above.

i actually thought they were at least mutually respected, Zecht saying "it's been too long, Gabranth..." at Pharos.

And I thought that there might possibly be a romantic link between Zargabaath and Drace... He seemed to have an outburst "your majesty, i beg you to reconsider" that although is a testament to his character, but seemed like his uncontrolled emotional reaction to Drace's sentencing.

[Sam250]

Sounded a bit more like resent then respect.

I don't know about a romantic link between Zargabaath and Drace, they just don't seem suited. Whilst Drace openly speaks against Vayne and makes it no secret that she thinks him an unwise choice of leader, Zargabaath is very differant. He may not support Vayne, but he certainly dosn't voice his concerns, and follows his orders without question.
I doubt that Drace would have the tolerance for such a man. She likey sees him as a sniveling lap-dog, and he sees her as unwise for protesting as she does.
However, the do share ideals, and morally are on the same 'side', so they are sort of allies.

[Bolivar]

Sounded a bit more like resent then respect.

I don't know about a romantic link between Zargabaath and Drace, they just don't seem suited. Whilst Drace openly speaks against Vayne and makes it no secret that she thinks him an unwise choice of leader, Zargabaath is very differant. He may not support Vayne, but he certainly dosn't voice his concerns, and follows his orders without question.
I doubt that Drace would have the tolerance for such a man. She likey sees him as a sniveling lap-dog, and he sees her as unwise for protesting as she does.
However, the do share ideals, and morally are on the same 'side', so they are sort of allies.

I've watched the scene several times, when Gabranth said "Judge Zecht!" it definately sounded like resent, mostly because he was in his way. But Zecht's "It's been too long, Gabranth..." sounded more like a hint of friendship.

Also, I think Drace and Zargabaath were alot a like. The only difference is that Drace couldn't hold her toungue and openly went against Vayne in a moment of outrage.

I don't think Zargabaath didn't rebel not because he's a lap dog, or simply afraid, I believe he did his duties because he took an oath. "A Judge's duty is to the law" as Ghis said. His duty to protect Arcadia seemed to supercede his disgruntlement. You can hear his remorse such as the line when leaving Bur-Omisace in the Alexander "The Empire's debts grow legion."

The reason why I think they had a romantic link was because of Zargabaath's outburst asking Vayne to reconsider, it seemed very out of character for him and I think his emotions caused him to do that.

That being said I think all of the judges would have potentially good backstories to elaborate on. For such a well-crafted character Drace had relatively little time on screen, i'd like to see more of her story.

[BG-57]

If anything I got the sense that Drace had the closest connection to Gabranth. They shared a lot, especially their regard for Larsa. And he carries out her sentence only upon her insistence.

Having said that, Zargabaath seemed the most sensible of the Judge Magisters. He was loyal to the Empire, but not blind in his loyalty. He had reservations about Imperial methods, but kept them mostly to himself. He fought against his foes with all his strength, but was willing to sacrifice himself to save innocent civilians. He reminds me of the old-school honorable villains like Rubicant or (forgive the Star Wars allusion) Captain Needa.

I certainly wish the Judge Magisters had been more developed. I always like the foes of the heroes to be given a lot of complexity.

[Sam250]

I agree with what you said about Zargabaath being sensible ect. Hes not blindly loyal, yet knows (unlink Drace) when to hold his tounge.



The only difference is that Drace couldn't hold her toungue and openly went against Vayne in a moment of outrage.

I'll just point out that this wasn't the only time she openly vioced her reservations about Vayne. When speaking to Bergen (i belive it was the first scene that we saw Drace in), she does not hide her doubts. Even Zargabaath knew that this was unwise, and subtly tries to hush her towards the end of the scene.


He reminds me of the old-school honorable villains like Rubicant or (forgive the Star Wars allusion) Captain Needa.

:) I hadn't noticed the connection, but, in a way, its quite true. To be honest, i never really saw Zargabaath as much of a villan. But mabye that was because he was voiced by Simon Templeman, who is prehaps one of my favorite voice actors of all time. In Legacy of Kain, he played the Bastered of a character, Kain, and i always expected him to do somthing really evil, but it never came, so in my mind he may as well have been a goodie.

A prequal based around the judges would be pretty similar to FFVII: BC, but instead of the turks, it would be centered around the Judge Magisters. SE should totally make this game.

[BG-57]

Vae Victus! :D

I consider honorable villains people of integrity who just happen to work for the wrong side and are generally unaware of how evil their masters truly are. Beatrix would be another good example.

The only Judge Magister I'd like to see less of is Bergen. I have nothing nice to say about him.

[Sam250]

Vae Victus! :D


Wow, BG-57, i can honestly say that those two words suddenly made you just that much more awesome in my book :D Damn, where did Legacy of Kain go.... :cry:

*cough* Anyway! Yes, Bergon was easily my least favorite of the Judge Magisters, his story completly uninterested me. Along with Ghis, he is one of the two Juge Magisters that i usually forget about, despite the fact that you had to fight both of these two early on, and others get less screen time. Odd that..

Still, mabye a prequal could develop them more...

PS: Without giving any story spoilers, could anyone tell me if Zargabaath is in Reverant Wings at all?

[BG-57]

Dunno, I guess all the Soul Reaver sequels exhausted the possibilties. Now if only we could get Tony Jay to do voice acting in a FF. He'd make a great Garland for FFIX. Or Emperor Gramis for that matter.

Funny thing about LOK though is my Dad once overheard me playing and asked if the hero was Santa Claus because it sounded like he was shouting 'Merry Christmas!' :D

Honestly, I don't think we'll ever see a Judge Magister prequel unless someone writes a fanfic.

I'm not sure about RW, but he's the only one who could be in it.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I think the should explore Ivalice more. Like BG-57 said, something about St Ajora would be pretty interesting.

[Sam250]

Sorry, quickly off topic.


Now if only we could get Tony Jay to do voice acting in a FF.

I'm afraid that Tony Jay, voice of the elder god, died last year. A true loss, would make a LoK sequal without just a little dull.

He would have made a great FF villian though.

Lol at the Vae Victus/Merry Christmas!!! :D I can almost imagine it.

[BG-57]

So far a great strength of the Ivalice storyline is that it's expandable, just like the Suikoden series. Most FF's have you eventually covering the whole planet, so there's not much geography left to explore in sequels or prequels.

I'm sorry to hear about Tony Jay. :( But at least we'll always have Mortanius/William the Just/Elder God/Frollo/Asylum Warden.

[Sam250]

That was a point that i was going to make actually- games that have you exploring the entire planet leave little material for a sequal, seeing as you have been to all loctions (Golden Sun comes to mind). But in FFXII, you only explore Dalmasca, Nabrdia and Archadia (as well as a few Jadgs). There is still an entire world out there for other games in the series to explore. Rozzaria, more of Arcadia, and beyond.

PS:


Mortanius/William the Just/Elder God/Frollo/Asylum Warden.
Oh, wow, were they all voiced by Tony Jay? I knew about Mortanius, but the Elder god was really his primary role in LoK, i think- its the one every one remembers him from. Plus, he made a pretty great Shear Kaan in the Jungle Book 2 :)