Boat driver

[Serapy]

Look at this image:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6716/lolet.gif

Jenova from VII?

Since when do female soldiers wear robe over thier heads in VIII ???

[Flying Mullet]

Perhaps she's Muslim?

[Mirage]

Where is the robe?

[I Don't Need A Name]

Looks like hair to me

[Serapy]

I actually think it's a cyborg.
Certain governments (especially Esthar) have very advanced technologies.
Our government probably bought a number of cyborgs from Esthar and use them to automate the driving process of little ships.

[Flying Mullet]

I think the video moves so quickly that the developers didn't deem it necessary to put much time and detail into the driver as the driver would be a random blob that would flash on the screen for half a second and only a silhouette was needed to show that there is a driver. Nothing more.

[Serapy]

I think the video moves so quickly that the developers didn't deem it necessary to put much time and detail into the driver as the driver would be a random blob that would flash on the screen for half a second and only a silhouette was needed to show that there is a driver. Nothing more.

They did the exact same thing to that Star at Ultimecia's castle. The only difference is that the visbility of the Star only lasts two seconds or a bit less.

[Flying Mullet]

I think the video moves so quickly that the developers didn't deem it necessary to put much time and detail into the driver as the driver would be a random blob that would flash on the screen for half a second and only a silhouette was needed to show that there is a driver. Nothing more.

They did the exact same thing to that Star at Ultimecia's castle. The only difference is that the visbility of the Star only lasts two seconds or a bit less.
Does this mean the boat driver is on her period?

[Christmas]

OMG, we have period stuff here too~~~~~:bigsmile:

[MJN SEIFER]

One of my oldest DH theories stated that Jenova is actually in FFVIII technically, but sadly it has been proved she isn't.

I still like the "evidence" I collected for it, some are far fetched though, but make sense if I explain it propperly.

[Mirage]

You're not even remotely as good a troll as FE, you know.

[Darth Cid]

Who is FE? I should probably know this already.

[Mirage]

Advanced search -> username -> Future Esthar.

[Darth Cid]

Oh yeah, I remember FE from when when I was last here.

[Serapy]

One of my oldest DH theories stated that Jenova is actually in FFVIII technically, but sadly it has been proved she isn't.

I still like the "evidence" I collected for it, some are far fetched though, but make sense if I explain it propperly.

It's very possible that Square took some ideas from VII and use them partly for VIII.
This green-ish colour glow is obviously the Lifestream from VII.
But it's now a power of source in VIII.
Final Fantasy games are all connected in some sense.


Does this mean the boat driver is on her period?


What does that say about my avatar ??

[ReloadPsi]

I'm going to facepalm now. I don't know when I'll release it.

[Serapy]

Look at this image:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4647/whitemateria7.jpg

Green-ish Colour.
In the picture, you see White Materia or Giga
and
7 ships

Hello, Final Fantasy VII!

[Flying Mullet]

Look at this image:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4647/whitemateria7.jpg

Green-ish Colour.
In the picture, you see White Materia or Giga
and
7 ships

Hello, Final Fantasy VII!
Erm, I see the moon reflected in the water.

[MJN SEIFER]

You're not even remotely as good a troll as FE, you know.

Neither I, nor Serapy, nor FE count as trolls, where just sharing theories. Not spam.


This green-ish colour glow is obviously the Lifestream from VII.
But it's now a power of source in VIII.
Final Fantasy games are all connected in some sense.


I have theories about Lifestream being somewhat present in FFVIII aswell, infact I am somewhat drawn towards it...

[Serapy]

That's a very valid assumption. Apparently, there must be a gigantic reflection that makes the Moon look green-ish! If it was Blue, that would make sense since the Ocean is always blue-ish!

If you compare this image to the image of VII, you can sense some strong similarity!

The logo of Final Fantasy VII has a White Materia on it and it has green-ish colour

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sean.d.fowler/ffl/jpeg/ff7_logo.jpeg

And why 7 ships? Why can't it be 6 or 8 ships?

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8655/lolho.jpg

There you go!

[Flying Mullet]

Or they used the same artists for FFVIII as FFVII and thus some of their artistic expressions, i.e. colors, are seen in both games and the relationship is merely a by-product of the artists' preferences and has no relevance to the game itself.

[McLovin']

Yes, you're right, it is Jenova in the boat. What now?

[rubah]

You've never seen green water?

[nik0tine]

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8655/lolho.jpg

There you go!What the fuck?

[McLovin']

Why is the FF Logo the way it is? Why did they make this one FF8? It's all clear!

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5006/serapything.jpg

[Moon Rabbits]

You're not even remotely as good a troll as FE, you know.

Oh I don't know about that ...


Look at this image:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4647/whitemateria7.jpg

Green-ish Colour.
In the picture, you see White Materia or Giga
and
7 ships

Hello, Final Fantasy VII!


That's a very valid assumption. Apparently, there must be a gigantic reflection that makes the Moon look green-ish! If it was Blue, that would make sense since the Ocean is always blue-ish!

If you compare this image to the image of VII, you can sense some strong similarity!

The logo of Final Fantasy VII has a White Materia on it and it has green-ish colour

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sean.d.fowler/ffl/jpeg/ff7_logo.jpeg

And why 7 ships? Why can't it be 6 or 8 ships?

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8655/lolho.jpg

There you go!

[Serapy]

Unless there's this green power source in the ocean that makes itself look green... possbily a leaked source from the ships.

[Christmas]

That's a very valid assumption. Apparently, there must be a gigantic reflection that makes the Moon look green-ish! If it was Blue, that would make sense since the Ocean is always blue-ish!

If you compare this image to the image of VII, you can sense some strong similarity!

The logo of Final Fantasy VII has a White Materia on it and it has green-ish colour

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sean.d.fowler/ffl/jpeg/ff7_logo.jpeg

And why 7 ships? Why can't it be 6 or 8 ships?

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8655/lolho.jpg

There you go!

Win. :kaolaugh:

[Flying Mullet]

The ocean often looks green. :rolleyes2

[Darth Cid]

So does grass!

[McLovin']

Serapy knows all about grass.

[Ryushikaze]

You're not even remotely as good a troll as FE, you know.

Neither I, nor Serapy, nor FE count as trolls, where just sharing theories. Not spam.

FE was/is a troll. He revealed himself years ago by reference to Landover Baptist.


That's a very valid assumption. Apparently, there must be a gigantic reflection that makes the Moon look green-ish! If it was Blue, that would make sense since the Ocean is always blue-ish!

It IS a gigantic reflection, and with high plankton or other seaborn plant count, a green tint to the sea is common, and look, outside the reflection of the moon, IT DOES!


If you compare this image to the image of VII, you can sense some strong similarity!

The logo of Final Fantasy VII has a White Materia on it and it has green-ish colour

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sean.d.fowler/ffl/jpeg/ff7_logo.jpeg

That's METEOR.


And why 7 ships? Why can't it be 6 or 8 ships?

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8655/lolho.jpg

There you go!

You are making a giant leap to an unwarranted conclusion.
You have found an amusing coincidence. That does not mean there is automatically meaning behind it.

[Christmas]

Whether you are trolling or you are serious about your theory, you deserve credit for bringing life to the forums! :bigsmile:

[Moon Rabbits]

Wait FE admitted he was a troll? Where was I?

[Flying Mullet]

On the pooper.

[MJN SEIFER]

Whether you are trolling or you are serious about your theory, you deserve credit for bringing life to the forums! :bigsmile:

Agreed.




FE was/is a troll. He revealed himself years ago by reference to Landover Baptist.

I don't get it...

[Ryushikaze]

Wait FE admitted he was a troll? Where was I?

Revealed, not admitted.





FE was/is a troll. He revealed himself years ago by reference to Landover Baptist.

I don't get it...

Landover baptist is a well known parody of conservative christian churches. He referenced this right after his being a troll was discussed.

[Moon Rabbits]

How does that prove he's a troll :confused::confused:

[Christmas]

I recommend do not think from an angle same as Future Esthar. :quina:

[Ryushikaze]

How does that prove he's a troll :confused::confused:

It was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as I was concerned. It was not the sole bit of evidence to show he was a troll.

[BG-57]

FE seemed sincere enough, but I could never completely understand his theories. :confused:

Cameos from previous FF games are nothing new, but I don't find either the color scheme or the helmet of the pilot convincing evidence.

[Serapy]

Cameos from previous FF games are nothing new, but I don't find either the color scheme or the helmet of the pilot convincing evidence.

Even seven ships don't convince you?


It IS a gigantic reflection, and with high plankton or other seaborn plant count, a green tint to the sea is common, and look, outside the reflection of the moon, IT DOES!

But the sky was red-ish at the time of the photograph, which should have had reduced the reflection significantly. That was one hell of a gigantic reflection, then.


That's METEOR.

Metors can turn green?


That does not mean there is automatically meaning behind it.

But why bother showing it in certain areas of the game? Squall's desert sky turning green at some point, and the power source...

Look, Christmas. PuPu is green, right? It's the exact same colour as these things... Normally, aliens aren't green...

[BG-57]

In a word, no. Seven is a commonly occuring number. I'm sure if you dug around in the game you could come with any number that has been given to a final fantasy (except maybe X-2).

The ff series is constantly refering back to earlier games in terms of characters, summon names, weapon names, etc... So why would they have to be this subtle?

And are you serious about normal alien coloration?

[Christmas]

Look, Christmas. PuPu is green, right? It's the exact same colour as these things... Normally, aliens aren't green...


PuPu is blue. And if you type "green alien" in google image search, you get all types of green alien. Also, there isn't any "normally" color for alien since no one ever saw a real alien!

[Serapy]

There are too many Sevens in VII, far too many!

http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-vii/118156-many-things-where-7-spoilers.html

This was definitely intentional by Square.

PuPu is Green!

[BG-57]

Fictional aliens have no defined color, it depends on the imagination of the writer or artist. As for real aliens (assuming they exist) I have no idea.

As I said, seven is a common number. Maybe they were put in for mystical reasons (seven is considered lucky), but it could still just be a coincidence. I doubt anyone have delved into the appearance of any other numbers as extensively.

[Christmas]

http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11737/pupu.jpg

This is green?

Even if it is green, can you say that no alien can come in the color of green?

Did you type "Green Aliens" in google search? There are tons of them! :monster:

Sample

http://images.halloweencostumes.net/green-alien-mask.jpg

[Serapy]

But that colour doesn't match.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8650/pups.gif

Bright green then!

[Christmas]

More like light blue.

And there are green aliens. :monster:

[MJN SEIFER]

Looks kind of Toitoise to me...

[Darth Cid]

But that colour doesn't match.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8650/pups.gif

Bright green then!

Butr wait, Terra was blue! It's FFIX as well!

[BG-57]

I don't accept that the games are connected in this way. There are certainly cameos from FFVII, but that's not the same as this.

An example of a connection I accept is the Ultima Weapon in FFVIII carries Cloud's Ultima Weapon sword in its hand. As far as I can tell, they look identical. You can draw all sorts of conclusions from this, but the most likely is since the sword was dropped by the FFVII Ultima Weapon (although it was not shown wielding it), then it would make sense that the FFVIII version carries a version of the sword as well.

[Ryushikaze]

But the sky was red-ish at the time of the photograph, which should have had reduced the reflection significantly.

Explain your reasoning why this is so.
Even though the sky was not red at this time. After the 'watery fade' to the next morning it is, but not before.


That was one hell of a gigantic reflection, then.

I'm not saying it's not. But a reflection it is.


Metors can turn green?

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff8/logos/ff8-logo.jpg
Squall and Rinoa are Amber? The emblem for FFVII's logo is METEOR. Take a look at Meteor's shape in the final FMV or the monument in AC/C.


But why bother showing it in certain areas of the game? Squall's desert sky turning green at some point, and the power source...

Because it looks ominous.


Look, Christmas. PuPu is green, right? It's the exact same colour as these things... Normally, aliens aren't green...

'Little green men' normally aren't green.
New one by me!
Pupu isn't green.


But that colour doesn't match.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8650/pups.gif

Bright green then!

None of your 'greens' are alike in color. And the reflection of the moon and the image of meteor are nothing alike in shape.

[Serapy]

But the sky was red-ish at the time of the photograph, which should have had reduced the reflection significantly.

Explain your reasoning why this is so.
Even though the sky was not red at this time. After the 'watery fade' to the next morning it is, but not before.

The sky was red-ish, so you should see some red on the reflection




But why bother showing it in certain areas of the game? Squall's desert sky turning green at some point, and the power source...

Because it looks ominous.

I don't think Squall's conscience is supposed to express green-ish. More like, black, brown, silver or grey.



None of your 'greens' are alike in color. And the reflection of the moon and the image of meteor are nothing alike in shape.

Well, then my eyes are tricking with me. But I'm sure they are the same colour - almost

[Ryushikaze]

The sky was red-ish, so you should see some red on the reflection

The sky was not 'red-ish' when the boats passed over the moon's reflection. The sky was reddish later when the boats came up to Dollet, which was the morning after.
Even then, none of that explains why this would 'reduce' the reflection, as you said.


I don't think Squall's conscience is supposed to express green-ish. More like, black, brown, silver or grey.

Which has ANYTHING to do with green looking suitably ominous... HOW?


Well, then my eyes are tricking with me. But I'm sure they are the same colour - almost

No. They are both greenish. That's about it. They're not even remotely close otherwise. And Pupu is decidedly blue. Light blue, but blue. Like the lionheart.

[Serapy]

The sky was red-ish, so you should see some red on the reflection

The sky was not 'red-ish' when the boats passed over the moon's reflection. The sky was reddish later when the boats came up to Dollet, which was the morning after.
Even then, none of that explains why this would 'reduce' the reflection, as you said.

The sky changes that fast??




I don't think Squall's conscience is supposed to express green-ish. More like, black, brown, silver or grey.

Which has ANYTHING to do with green looking suitably ominous... HOW?

Really, I don't think Green is an ominous colour. Players who played VIII also likely to have played VII.
In VII, they look at Lifestream - oh, that's a good thing!
In VIII, they look at this thing with the same colour - oh, green.

Definitely not ominous!

[Flying Mullet]

The sky was red-ish, so you should see some red on the reflection

The sky was not 'red-ish' when the boats passed over the moon's reflection. The sky was reddish later when the boats came up to Dollet, which was the morning after.
Even then, none of that explains why this would 'reduce' the reflection, as you said.

The sky changes that fast??
No one said the trip was a quick one. You just see a cut scene or two during the trip.

[Ryushikaze]

The sky changes that fast??

It's a cut to later, Serapy. Hence the watery fade to black.


Really, I don't think Green is an ominous colour. Players who played VIII also likely to have played VII.
In VII, they look at Lifestream - oh, that's a good thing!
In VIII, they look at this thing with the same colour - oh, green.

Definitely not ominous!

Not all greens are the same. A nuclear reactor with a green aura is decidedly ominous. A dark green cloud is ominous. It's context cues.

[Serapy]

It's a cut to later, Serapy. Hence the watery fade to black.

No one said the trip was a quick one. You just see a cut scene or two during the trip.

And yet the reflection looks still the same. No clouds moving, nothing.




Really, I don't think Green is an ominous colour. Players who played VIII also likely to have played VII.
In VII, they look at Lifestream - oh, that's a good thing!
In VIII, they look at this thing with the same colour - oh, green.

Definitely not ominous!

Not all greens are the same. A nuclear reactor with a green aura is decidedly ominous. A dark green cloud is ominous. It's context cues.

This green colour is a power source in VIII.

But Squall's desert island was an illusion. It was created inside his head.
This illusion; the background, the sky and Squall himself show colours consisting of black, brown, white, silver and grey. These colours are representing the 'depressed' side of Squall.

Then all of a sudden, the green colour comes out of no where and flashing. Then the sky goes back to normal (grey)

Green is way out of these colours' leagues. Is green a typical colour to represent the 'depressed' side of Squall? No!

I only have one explanation: this green thing was what powered Squall's illusion and hence these flashing greens.

[Ryushikaze]

And yet the reflection looks still the same. No clouds moving, nothing.

The sky is not red during the 'passing over the moon' shot, Serapy, which is the only time the reflection appears.


This green colour is a power source in VIII.

In one instance.


But Squall's desert island was an illusion. It was created inside his head. This illusion; the background, the sky and Squall himself show colours consisting of black, brown, white, silver and grey. These colours are representing the 'depressed' side of Squall.

Then all of a sudden, the green colour comes out of no where and flashing. Then the sky goes back to normal (grey)

Green is way out of these colours' leagues. Is green a typical colour to represent the 'depressed' side of Squall? No!

I only have one explanation: this green thing was what powered Squall's illusion and hence these flashing greens.

Firstly, Squall isn't depressed. He's asocial and has his fair share of issues, but he doesn't show any of the signs of depression.
Secondly, all of this, what you're doing, is speculating. You are inventing meanings for these colors, and who knows, it might be right, but you have nary a lick of proof to support these assumptions, or the assumption that green is a power source for the 'illusion' instead of just another emotion.

[Serapy]

And yet the reflection looks still the same. No clouds moving, nothing.

The sky is not red during the 'passing over the moon' shot, Serapy, which is the only time the reflection appears.

So, it seems that this gigantic reflection can penetrate the sky!




This green colour is a power source in VIII.

In one instance.

Moar!



Firstly, Squall isn't depressed. He's asocial and has his fair share of issues, but he doesn't show any of the signs of depression.

My point still remains. Depression, anti-social, whatever, all have the same negative effect.



Secondly, all of this, what you're doing, is speculating.

There's nothing wrong with speculating.



You are inventing meanings for these colors, and who knows, it might be right, but you have nary a lick of proof to support these assumptions, or the assumption that green is a power source for the 'illusion' instead of just another emotion.

If Squall manages to change his personality and behaviours in every scene in the game, then it would be much more difficult to find his true nature.

Besides, let me think of an example...
Ok, so, you claimed that he's asocial. Ok, so, let's see. Does this 'asocial' thing associate with GREEN? No! Obviously not!

There's this green on the Wheels of the Gardens. Your common sense would say that this green kind of thing could be powering the gardens.
Where do all of that stuff (including magic) come from? Dr. Odine. Are sorceress using the same magic as humans to some extent? Yes?
So, there you go.

[Ryushikaze]

So, it seems that this gigantic reflection can penetrate the sky!

I have no idea what you're talking about and somehow I'm not sure you do either.


Moar!

...SUCH AS?


My point still remains. Depression, anti-social, whatever, all have the same negative effect.

Despite being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.


There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Not on its own. But acting like your speculation is substantiated without basis IS wrong.


If Squall manages to change his personality and behaviours in every scene in the game, then it would be much more difficult to find his true nature.

Which isn't what I was talking about at all...


Besides, let me think of an example...
Ok, so, you claimed that he's asocial. Ok, so, let's see. Does this 'asocial' thing associate with GREEN? No! Obviously not!

I'm not saying it is. But it could be associated with fear, doubt, anxiety, any host of negative emotions clouding his mind at the moment.


There's this green on the Wheels of the Gardens. Your common sense would say that this green kind of thing could be powering the gardens.

Actually, it wouldn't, since it is being cast OFF of the garden. Common sense would tell us it is a BYPRODUCT of the garden, and probably what allows it to fly.


Where do all of that stuff (including magic) come from? Dr. Odine. Are sorceress using the same magic as humans to some extent? Yes?
So, there you go.

Gardens, Magic, etc. do not come from Odine. He is a genius, but these things existed before he lived. He is responsible for non GF Paramagic usage.

[arcanedude34]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/Dasuta/112020ultrosdn8.gif
Don't feed the troll, kiddies!

[Serapy]

So, it seems that this gigantic reflection can penetrate the sky!

I have no idea what you're talking about and somehow I'm not sure you do either.

If you can see the Moon via this reflection, the Sky should be visible. But it wasn't visible and it's almost as if there's no sky.




Moar!

...SUCH AS?

Other Gardens, the Grasshoppers (the machines you fly on) and perhaps the Ultimecia's throne room.




My point still remains. Depression, anti-social, whatever, all have the same negative effect.

Despite being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

If they are all bad, they are the same in some context.




There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Not on its own. But acting like your speculation is substantiated without basis IS wrong.

You don't like it, that's fine.




If Squall manages to change his personality and behaviours in every scene in the game, then it would be much more difficult to find his true nature.

Which isn't what I was talking about at all...

Oh?




Besides, let me think of an example...
Ok, so, you claimed that he's asocial. Ok, so, let's see. Does this 'asocial' thing associate with GREEN? No! Obviously not!

I'm not saying it is. But it could be associated with fear, doubt, anxiety, any host of negative emotions clouding his mind at the moment.

Fear, doubt, anxiety, or whatever else don't seem to fit GREEN, either.




There's this green on the Wheels of the Gardens. Your common sense would say that this green kind of thing could be powering the gardens.

Actually, it wouldn't, since it is being cast OFF of the garden. Common sense would tell us it is a BYPRODUCT of the garden, and probably what allows it to fly.


So, it's still not a power source?




Where do all of that stuff (including magic) come from? Dr. Odine. Are sorceress using the same magic as humans to some extent? Yes?
So, there you go.

Gardens, Magic, etc. do not come from Odine. He is a genius, but these things existed before he lived. He is responsible for non GF Paramagic usage.

Odine definitely didn't create this power source.

[Ryushikaze]

If you can see the Moon via this reflection, the Sky should be visible. But it wasn't visible and it's almost as if there's no sky.

Or the sky is clear, dark, like a night sky, and the stars are not showing up due to brightness wash.


Other Gardens, the Grasshoppers (the machines you fly on) and perhaps the Ultimecia's throne room.

The gardens and the grasshoppers exude exhaust of that color in their flight mechanism. It doesn't mean they are powered by it.


If they are all bad, they are the same in some context.

Patently wrong.


You don't like it, that's fine.

It's more than 'I don't like it' it's 'there's nothing to it.'


Oh?

No, what I was talking about was your assumption that these colors represent his personality is unfounded. Not impossible, but unfounded.


Fear, doubt, anxiety, or whatever else don't seem to fit GREEN, either.

How not?


So, it's still not a power source?

No more than the fire of a jet is a power source.


Odine definitely didn't create this power source.

If it is a power source.

[Serapy]

If you can see the Moon via this reflection, the Sky should be visible. But it wasn't visible and it's almost as if there's no sky.

Or the sky is clear, dark, like a night sky, and the stars are not showing up due to brightness wash.

And it leaves us - the Moon and 7 ships! There's a meaning to this.




Other Gardens, the Grasshoppers (the machines you fly on) and perhaps the Ultimecia's throne room.

The gardens and the grasshoppers exude exhaust of that color in their flight mechanism. It doesn't mean they are powered by it.

It's GREEN, though.




If they are all bad, they are the same in some context.

Patently wrong.

Entirely, no. Partly, yes.




You don't like it, that's fine.

It's more than 'I don't like it' it's 'there's nothing to it.'

If there's nothing to it, then why did I claim it? Having no reason to claim something that outputs nothingness doesn't make sense.




Oh?

No, what I was talking about was your assumption that these colors represent his personality is unfounded. Not impossible, but unfounded.

It does make sense if you think about it. Green doesn't fit the overall image of Squall.




Fear, doubt, anxiety, or whatever else don't seem to fit GREEN, either.

How not?

You see the colours of Squall a lot throughout the game. And then Green started appearing. Doesn't fit the scheme.




So, it's still not a power source?

No more than the fire of a jet is a power source.

Whatever it is, it's still GREEN.




Odine definitely didn't create this power source.

If it is a power source.

Phew.

[Darth Cid]

The sky is green, so is the codec, that means my theory is absolutely correct. :roll:

[Serapy]

The sky is green, so is the codec, that means my theory is absolutely correct. :roll:

That codec has never been mentioned or displayed in VIII, anyway.

[Darth Cid]

Neither was 1572 or Jenova or Greek Text therefore, my theory makes perfect sense.

[Serapy]

Neither was 1572 or Jenova or Greek Text therefore, my theory makes perfect sense.

Actually, these things appear in VIII, while your codec doesn't.

[Darth Cid]

That's a robot in the boat, that's not greek text, and if 1572 had anything to do with anything it would have more clearly said so; therefore, the 1572, the greek text, Jenova, and the MGS codec are not a part of the game; therefore, they are what the game is all about.

[arcanedude34]

That's a robot in the boat, that's not greek text, and if 1572 had anything to do with anything it would have more clearly said so; therefore, the 1572, the greek text, Jenova, and the MGS codec are not a part of the game; therefore, they are what the game is all about.

The crazy colonel would have made this game SO much better...

[Darth Cid]

I need scissors 61! And it is possible to inflict 61 damage on an opponent!

[arcanedude34]

I need scissors 61! And it is possible to inflict 61 damage on an opponent!

Scissors 61 would be an awesome blue magic spell. :O

[Serapy]

That's a robot in the boat, that's not greek text, and if 1572 had anything to do with anything it would have more clearly said so; therefore, the 1572, the greek text, Jenova, and the MGS codec are not a part of the game; therefore, they are what the game is all about.

If you look at the robot hard, it'll look like a Cyborg. Trust me.

[Ryushikaze]

You can tell a blur looks like a cyborg?
How can you tell, visually, the difference between robot and cyborg?

[Darth Cid]

That's a robot in the boat, that's not greek text, and if 1572 had anything to do with anything it would have more clearly said so; therefore, the 1572, the greek text, Jenova, and the MGS codec are not a part of the game; therefore, they are what the game is all about.

If you look at the robot hard, it'll look like a Cyborg. Trust me.

Actually, upon my research, the boat driver prefers the term "Cybernetic organism."

[arcanedude34]

You can tell a blur looks like a cyborg?
How can you tell, visually, the difference between robot and cyborg?
Your parents will have the talk with you when you're mature enough to handle it.

[Ryushikaze]

You can tell a blur looks like a cyborg?
How can you tell, visually, the difference between robot and cyborg?
Your parents will have the talk with you when you're mature enough to handle it.

Shh, AD, I'm trying to see if Serapy is old enough.

[Darth Cid]

I still tell you there's apparently a difference between cyborg and cybernetic organism because the boat driver insists on being known as a cybernetic organism.

[Serapy]

You can tell a blur looks like a cyborg?
How can you tell, visually, the difference between robot and cyborg?

It's not the blur that makes it look like a cyborg. The model looks like it's unfinished. Any unfinished model automatically have that robotic look.

This reminds me of Missingno from Pokemon ...

[Flying Mullet]

Except the developers didn't expect anyone to examine the fmv frame by frame and they didn't spend much time on that part of the video, choosing not to put much detail in the human driver. But it's still a human driver.

[Iceglow]

Theres a million and one things it could be however:

There is no evidence that whilst Esthar has extremely developed technologies that they have robotic technology. No more so than the Gabaldians (and before anyone says it, the black widow is not a robot it's a tank unit the red targetting sensor displays a heads up to the pilot when chasing down the party prior to being bitched out by Quistis you'd be looking through the pilots view)

In fact there is no evidence whatsoever to support anyones claims of it being Jenova or a cybernetic organism be it cyborg or robot. There is a perfectly viable explanation however. The pilot is a person, the image was created to be played at full speed and therefore there would be little need to put a maximum detail in to the pilot because unless you're Serapy you're not going to slow it down to frame by frame, thats just crazy acting.

What is far more likely is that it is a member of SeeD. SeeD seemingly deploys in squad sizes of 3, the briefing of the mission states that there will be SeeD squads in reserve, should it get too dangerous for the cadets or should it be beyond the cadets abilities to do the mission then the SeeD squads will take over and ensure that the mission is completed. Now forgive me if I'm being ignorant but during the landing scene and in every in game scene we see from the moment we step aboard to the moment we retreat back on to it. The only 2 SeeDs I saw were Quistis and Xu thats 1 SeeD short of a squad. Now there was 7 squads of cadets and you can assume it takes 7 squads for the mission to be accomplished therefore 7 SeeD squads also got dispatched to accomplish the mission. The third SeeD in each squad must therefore logically be the driver of the boat.

Now as for the odd shape to the pilot of the boat...

The pilot is in charge of an naval assault veichle that is moving at extreme speeds, most boats when they hit a sea wall will crumple, sink and probably explode, even the millitary variants. However when the SeeD ship hits the wall it goes up, leaps the wall taking half of it down with it. I would assume that due to low lighting levels for they sail overnight through to Dollet to strike in the morning that is unquestionable imho (you take the Ifrit Fire Cavern test and report back, you might have taken around 30 mins to do the actual test but the game encourages you to prepare for it first by stocking magic. Therefore it is logical to assume it is a part of the story that Squall prepares for the the exam, it is also logical to assume this takes several hours and that once he has reported back to Garden there would have been time to shower, change and re-style his hair which face it I have short hair and it takes me about an hour to get that done. Therefore the idea that the voyage to Dollet is short is not logical. Not to mention the train from Balamb to Timber takes several hours minimum because you have time to dream and experience a laguna segment it does not flash by in an instant unlike a real dream because you are essentially re-living the past you are watching it in real time. Timber is the closest country in the Gabaldiian Continent to Balamb geographical fact, therefore departing in the afternoon, I would say an overnight voyage is more logical than illogical) speed of the boat and the fact that you've gotta pick a very small landing space out of a very big coast line that the pilot is wearing some kind of helmet much like the ones worn by fighter pilots where there is a HUD and communications kit worked in. Hence the distortion of the pilots features.

As for the colour green and it's import...

Ok So Green tint to the sea water... plankton and algae often release light when they are disturbed by the passage of ships it's a natural feature of the earth and if you wish to see how green the ocean can be especally in tropical climes then google earth is your friend here. As is wikipedia.

Green tint to the power output of Balamb Garden... Gabaldia Garden actually emits blue light not green, therefore we can assume it might have something to do with the individual construction materials, or that it is to do with the light bending due to the difference in shape of their "levitation ring" the bending of light seems much more efficient in describing this not to mention Gabaldia Garden has a ring of much darker and silver colours whilst Balamb has one of gold.

Green tint in Ultimecia's castle and the end sequence to the game... Dear god haven't I shot down enough of your theories and other theories posted by people in the forum here that you know I'm going to come out with a suitable explanation to this? Must I go on? Actually I better you never know you might get crazy ideas that I'll give up on correcting you.

Ok well in all kinds of movies you see they use light to affect an atmospheric change, if they want something to appear terrifying there is a lot of use of dark lights of various colours to affect the atmosphere the main colours used are:

Red lights, from emergency lighting to fire balls burning up the sky or just a red sky because of the dust and flames of a burning city. Red light causes the scene to look more violent more bloody and frankly more threatening it also makes all but the brightest colours black.

Blue on occassion is also used though blue is often used for scenes of a sexual nature (watch Top Gun for a key example of this) since blue lighting makes shadows directly darker and therefore makes getting a good shillouette easier.

Green is also used often in the place of blue lighting, blue makes everything look black however when you need dark light but still wish to get a good colour shot you use green. The reason for this is that green light blocks out less of the other colours whilst remaining very ominous when you think green you tend to associate it with poison, toxic substances, radioactive waste when asked to think of "evil" green things. The idea of this is not without merit, one of the most poisonous snakes in the world is the Green Mamba and it's cousin, the black mamba is the most poisonous in the world, the adder is the most venomous snake in europe it is also green and black, the rattle snake is brown and green and is one of the most poisonous snakes of north america. Now add in poisonous frogs, theres plenty of those out there. Now add in toxic substances, Radioactive waste all are portrayed as green in countless situations. Green is not always a sign of good, go and ok it is also used for evil, for ominous scenes. Therefore to create an atmosphere what is not overtly threatening but is ominous you utilize green lighting to generate the affect that there is something not right in this but also not something you could overtly put a finger on, how many people would actually notice immediately if they woke up tomorrow and instead of being blue the sky was a slightly green colour? I don't think many would and if I remember rightly it's something like a 1% difference in the mixture of noble gases such as xenon in the atmosphere would change how light refracted through.

Therefore the green tint at the end of the game, it is purely for atmospherics if you wish to have an entire essay on this I will ask my friend who studied how to be a professional camera man for movie sets and so on to e-mail me the dissertation he wrote on this subject and I'll be sure to post it in it's full 4000+ word glory for your benefit.

PS, Pupu is blue Pupu is as blue as the iceberg in my signature, wanna try telling me my signature is green because I can guarantee there will be a thread in GC asking every member of the entire forum to vote on a poll with this.

[ChickenHeart]

So...basically this theory was brought up from no where with no real explnation...cool

[MJN SEIFER]

So...basically this theory was brought up from no where with no real explnation...cool

You revived an old post for that?

And it didn't come from nowhere - check the first post again.

[Skyblade]

I still really don't understand this idea. Even freeze-framed, the image is blurry, and it is onscreen for less than a second. That is not the basis for world changing information.

[ChickenHeart]

So...basically this theory was brought up from no where with no real explnation...cool

You revived an old post for that?

And it didn't come from nowhere - check the first post again.

Woops didn't see the date xxx
Also, it looks nothing like JENOVA (lmfao what?) it looks more like a dollet soldier. Plus, why would they make a whole new JENOVA model for something that would only appear for a second...? They woulden't? And the moon reflecting on the sea, i can slightly see that, but again, bogus. Basically no hard evidence.

[MJN SEIFER]

Woops didn't see the date xxx
Also, it looks nothing like JENOVA (lmfao what?) it looks more like a dollet soldier. Plus, why would they make a whole new JENOVA model for something that would only appear for a second...? They woulden't? And the moon reflecting on the sea, i can slightly see that, but again, bogus. Basically no hard evidence.

I apologize for the date.

But you can see it didn't come from nowhere. I personally don't think it looks enough like Jenova to actually be her, nor do I believe that Square would do this for (probably) no reason, but I can see how one could believe it was Jenova from an angle.

Like I say, I'm skeptical, but I can see where Serapy's coming from.

[demondude]

Shut up.
No. ~ Mulley

[MJN SEIFER]

Me? Why, I'd like to know what I did to you.

[Flying Mullet]

DD, you know better than that. MJN SEIFER, just ignore him. He's in one of his moods.

[MJN SEIFER]

Ok. I was concerned I'd done something for moment there.

[demondude]

It just felt good is all. :spin:

[MJN SEIFER]

It just felt good is all. :spin:

Umm, ok...:confused:

[Hollycat]

I dont see nuthin

[demondude]

It just felt good is all. :spin:

Umm, ok...:confused:

It was to the thread maker btw. :p

This theory is tart!

[Jiro]

I think the driver (is that even the right term?) looks weird regardless

[MJN SEIFER]

It was to the thread maker btw. :p



Oh. :jess:

[Future Esthar]

How the Landover reference makes me a troll anyway?

[MJN SEIFER]

How the Landover reference makes me a troll anyway?

Because be people think that things they don't agree with = trolling.

Also, post some more of your FFVIII stuff. :cool:

[Future Esthar]

Of course.
But meet me on the FFXIII forum.
I will be there more than here.
That game is an explicit confirmation of most of my theories.