The Moon's rotational speed

[Serapy]

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It looks like the Moon from VIII rotates faster than our Moon.
It takes 28 days for our Moon to complete its rotation, right? Don't we all complete the game in less than 28 days, right? Yet everytime when we look at the Moon in VIII, it always look different.

Of course, the laws between VIII and our reality are different, but still ... I wonder if this has something to do with Lunar Cry ... or perhaps Time Compression.

[Clo]

I'm more concerned with why IT'S SO FREAKIN' HUGE.

[blackmage_nuke]

Our moon doesnt rotate at all.

[Mirage]

Actually it does. If it didn't rotate, we'd get to see the "other side" once a month, but we don't

[MJN SEIFER]

Don't we all complete the game in less than 28 days, right?

No.


We don't know how long it takes the FFVIII story to finish because like many games/films it uses a media timeline - FFVIII could take place over months for all we know - it just seams shorter to us because we're playing it. It's like a film where life changing events seam to happen in days, but really it's much longer.

[Serapy]

How is that relevant to the purpose of this thread?

In other words,

From the Dollet scene (the Moon on the water) -> The Timber Train scene (the Moon in the background). Now, do they look exactly the same?

That whole timetline sounds like a lot less than 28 days to me - a few days at most.

[Hot Shot]

Well it is possible that their world may have two moons. Amd the second picture isn't relevant at all because it is Ultimecia's castle during the time compression, so there is no problem with that example.

But you do raise a good question Serapy, but you are missing the obvious answer: Full moons look cool. The makers most likely used a full moon in most of their cutscenes simply because it looks cool. The players, generally, aren't going to question the whole moon thing (I know I didn't)

[Skyblade]

Rotate Picture 3 180 degrees (so the bottom is on top and the top is on the bottom). Notice anything? That's right, it's the same moon as Picture 1.

Now look at Picture 4. Specifically, the bits in the bottom left corner. Compare that to the part of Picture 3 around the second boat from the bottom. Notice anything? That's right, it's the same features!

[blackmage_nuke]

Actually it does. If it didn't rotate, we'd get to see the "other side" once a month, but we don't

What I meant was the same side is always facing the earth so it doesnt rotate with respect to earth ie the side that looks like a rabit. Well thats what i thought.

[Mirage]

You measure rotation arounds the body's own axis, not other objects.

[MJN SEIFER]

How is that relevant to the purpose of this thread?

In other words,

From the Dollet scene (the Moon on the water) -> The Timber Train scene (the Moon in the background). Now, do they look exactly the same?

That whole timetline sounds like a lot less than 28 days to me - a few days at most.

I appologise, I didn't mean to be off topic - it's just I felt it nessercary to point out that we don't know the time line of FFVIII, it is an important subject for me. Sorry.

[Skyblade]

You are all missing the important point. THEY DO LOOK ALIKE. Check my first post in the thread.

[MJN SEIFER]

You are all missing the important point. THEY DO LOOK ALIKE. Check my first post in the thread.

I re-read it, and I am reclined to agree - they do look like the same moon.

To Serapy: The angle of each picture is probably confusing you.

[Crop]

It's a moon.

[blackmage_nuke]

How is that relevant to the purpose of this thread?

In other words,

From the Dollet scene (the Moon on the water) -> The Timber Train scene (the Moon in the background). Now, do they look exactly the same?

That whole timetline sounds like a lot less than 28 days to me - a few days at most.

To my memory only one night passed between the Dollet Scene and the Timber train. (they graduated, had the ball and left the next day for the timber mission). It's not unfeasable that the moon stays full for more than one day.

[Skyblade]

Here we go. Compare the sections outlined in black. They are reference points. From there, it is easy to draw comparisons among all the pictures.

[Mercen-X]

Our moon doesn't even bare the appearance of a rotation. This is because the moon rotates in the opposite direction of its orbit. Think of a beachball rolling along the sand. If you continue to imagine it going in that same direction while rolling the other way, what results is the phenomenon of our moon's rotation. In this way, it doesn't matter where the moon ends up around our planet, we always see the same side. The only difference we see in the moon is the shading from the Earth upon its surface blocking out the light of the sun resulting in what we like to call a "crescent."

It is indeed possible that the moon in VIII rotates faster than our moon. It is perhaps more logical to assume, however, that it rotates in the same direction of its orbit (or the opposite direction of our moon's rotation). Maybe not. I wonder if that would cause its orbit to decay?

[ReloadPsi]

How is that relevant to the purpose of this thread?

In other words,

From the Dollet scene (the Moon on the water) -> The Timber Train scene (the Moon in the background). Now, do they look exactly the same?

That whole timetline sounds like a lot less than 28 days to me - a few days at most.

Yup.

Disc 1 takes place over the course of two days.

Day 1: Go to Fire Cavern, head back, go to Dollet, go to party, go to training centre, go to new dorm, sleep.

Day 2: Go to Timber (take a short nap along the way), do the train thing, head to the TV station, head to Galbadia Garden by train (again with a short nap along the way), get your assassination orders, attempt to kill the sorceress. Black out.

At no point does it indicate that more than a single day passes during "day 2" and staying at an inn doesn't actually pass time in RPGs.

Disc 2

Day 3: After a Laguna dream, which could well happen overnight, escape from prison, missile base, make the Garden levitate.

Day 4? Rinoa comes in and asks for a tour.

Day 5? Rinoa asks for a walk. If you didn't bring Rinoa, Quistis asks if you want to go and get a cup of tea and have a talk.

After this it gets a bit ambiguous, but given that Mayor Dobe doesn't yet know of Deling's death, it could very easily be a very short time after day 2 that you arrive at Horizon. From here on, due to the fact that Garden is mobile and travel by sea would take days, there's no way of knowing how many days pass, but it could very easily be less than 28 given how much these guys can do in a single day!

[Serapy]

Here we go. Compare the sections outlined in black. They are reference points. From there, it is easy to draw comparisons among all the pictures.

I don't acknowledge your point. A moment, please ...

Right, you've said that the Moon from the pictures have the same features, but how does that dispute the point of this thread - the Moon's rotational speed?

But anyway, the Moon from these pictures are not the same to each other. Each picture shows the area where you have squared in different areas, and more or less craters have appeared.

Sorry if I'm causing a confusion. My definition of 'same' is when two things have the exact-matched characteristics. All of the characteristics between two things have to be considered in this case.

As for the last image, the area was a completed build of Griever. When the game starts, the image of Griever on the Moon starts to build itself.
And when the game is completed, the building image of Griever is also completed. Hello, Griever ... Squall is happy.


I re-read it, and I am reclined to agree - they do look like the same moon.

To Serapy: The angle of each picture is probably confusing you.

No, they don't look the same.

But what's worth quoting your post is the way how you have expressed your thought. What's changed your mentality? I thought you were supposed to be "open minded" or at least that's what I thought.

Well, excuse me -- I've always forgotten to remind myself that people do indeed change all the time.


I'm more concerned with why IT'S SO FREAKIN' HUGE.

The Moon next to Ultimecia's Castle is very big. This proves that the Ultimecia Castle doesn't take place on ground (Earth's)... But the Moon from the 'ending' part looks also big. Perhaps, the Balamb Garden has gained a new ability of flying in air space?

[Skyblade]

The entire basis of this thread is that the moon looks different in each picture. It does not. The moon have the same features in all the shots (including Ulti's castle, although the image they used of the moon appears to have been vertically flipped for some reason). The first image has it rotated 180 degress from the other two, but the features are still identical, and in an identical place on the moon, once the rotation is taken into account (just as the features match up with the moon in Ulti's castle if you take the vertical flip into account). There are minor, subtle differences, likely caused by the clouds and ambient light. Or, because the surface of the moon is covered by monsters which don't stay in one place at all times. The primary visible features are identical in all shots (the ones I showed were just the clearest point-for-point references, but you can expand from there to match up each major feature), which means the rotation of the moon is just enough to keep the same side facing the planet, similar to our moon. That is why this important to the thread topic.

And, no, there is no image of Griever on the moon.

[Serapy]

This thread is mainly about the rotational speed.
Yes, it does look different. For example, if the Moon from one of the pictures has more or less craters than another, then it's different (not the same).

And yes, the image of Griever does exist on the Moon.

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[ReloadPsi]

This thread is mainly about the rotational speed.
Yes, it does look different. For example, if the Moon from one of the pictures has more or less craters than another, then it's different (not the same).

And yes, the image of Griever does exist on the Moon.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5710/grieverlaceeb7.gif

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You know what? That's pretty cool!

[qwertysaur]

It's also possible that the angle of the axis of rotation is high so the moon appears to rotate on it's side like that of the planet Uranus :p

[Mercen-X]

these pictures of the Moon are not identical to each other. Each picture shows the area where you have squared in different areas, and more or less craters have appeared. As for the last image, the area was a completed build of Griever. When the game starts, the image of Griever on the Moon starts to build itself.

The Moon next to Ultimecia's Castle is very big. This proves that the Ultimecia Castle doesn't take place on ground (Earth's)... But the Moon from the 'ending' part looks also big. Perhaps, the Balamb Garden has gained a new ability of flying in air space?
Two of Skyblade's pics are incomplete, but even if they weren't and you were correct, there isn't any less-than-debatable evidence that the Moon is rotating (anymore than an hour, anyway) faster than our moon. There is also no indisputable evidence that I can see that Griever only forms near the end. The two pics before Griever "is visible" are too distant and fuzzy to tell conclusively that the image of Griever isn't already there. Unless you can provide evidence (much like an interview with Final Fantasy VIII team member), I'm disinclined to believe this image is only visible near the end of the game.

BTW, that's an interesting concept to believe that they've developed the technology to allow the entire Garden to travel skyward enough that the moon would look bigger. That's a Garden ability that previously only the Guardian Force Eden had.

Yes, it does look different. For example, if the Moon from one of the pictures has more or less craters than another, then it's different (not the same).The appearance of craters (more or less) is not evidence of change/difference in the moon's rotational speed.

[Christmas]

So, did the moon rotate? :bigsmile:

[MJN SEIFER]

But what's worth quoting your post is the way how you have expressed your thought. What's changed your mentality? I thought you were supposed to be "open minded" or at least that's what I thought.

Well, excuse me -- I've always forgotten to remind myself that people do indeed change all the time.


I'm still Open Minded - or at least I try to be. I just thought that they looked the same, but I'll study them again - maybe it's me who's confused.

[Mirage]

these pictures of the Moon are not identical to each other. Each picture shows the area where you have squared in different areas, and more or less craters have appeared. As for the last image, the area was a completed build of Griever. When the game starts, the image of Griever on the Moon starts to build itself.

The Moon next to Ultimecia's Castle is very big. This proves that the Ultimecia Castle doesn't take place on ground (Earth's)... But the Moon from the 'ending' part looks also big. Perhaps, the Balamb Garden has gained a new ability of flying in air space?
Two of Skyblade's pics are incomplete, but even if they weren't and you were correct, there isn't any less-than-debatable evidence that the Moon is rotating (anymore than an hour, anyway) faster than our moon. There is also no indisputable evidence that I can see that Griever only forms near the end. The two pics before Griever "is visible" are too distant and fuzzy to tell conclusively that the image of Griever isn't already there. Unless you can provide evidence (much like an interview with Final Fantasy VIII team member), I'm disinclined to believe this image is only visible near the end of the game.

BTW, that's an interesting concept to believe that they've developed the technology to allow the entire Garden to travel skyward enough that the moon would look bigger. That's a Garden ability that previously only the Guardian Force Eden had.

Yes, it does look different. For example, if the Moon from one of the pictures has more or less craters than another, then it's different (not the same).The appearance of craters (more or less) is not evidence of change/difference in the moon's rotational speed.

The apparent size change of the moon could just be because it had a more elliptical orbit than our own moon.

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Actually, I thought of another thing that could make the moon look larger, like in that last screenshot with the garden. It's possible that it's because of the way the scene was shot. If the garden was far away from the camera, it'd look smaller, while the moon would be the same size. Then, if you used an "unusual" zooming technique, the moon would appear much larger than it actually was. I'm not sure exactly what it's called (focal length, maybe? idk), but I've seen it in other photos or videos.

[Roogle]

I wonder if the developers of Final Fantasy VIII paid this much attention to the layout and landscape of the moon. Any anomalies noticed could be the result of a misguided or misinformed graphic designer. I noticed earlier that someone mentioned that the moon appeared to be vertically flipped at some point, so misdirection from the developers of the game could certainly be the case.

[Future Esthar]

Can´t believe FFVIII forum is dead like this.
I started playing it on the PSN yesterday and hope to find another curiosities and revive it.

[Serapy]

Can´t believe FFVIII forum is dead like this.
I started playing it on the PSN yesterday and hope to find another curiosities and revive it.

The forum is not dead, my friend. We are in a Time-Compressed world where time is quite unstable, or rather slow. So unstable that it's impossible for people to make new threads in this forum consistently. Have some patience, my beautiful friends.

[MJN SEIFER]

The FFVIII forum has reached an event where the further along the threads you go the time seams to be different. The threads sent from one side of our world are centuries before the ones sent closer to my home, and any sent by EoFF members past the eqausion is another millenium ahead of those sent, within the year 1875.

Furthermore, if you take a picture of each of the locations where users are signing onto this thread, you will see that when it is pasted together, the resulting picture fits perfectly into the shape of the "Esthar Color Check".

In short; this forum has fallen victim to W.O.T.C! :eek:

[Future Esthar]

LOL!

Can you decode your metaphors please?

[Mirage]

Oh, I found out what the zoom effect I was talking about is called. It's dolly zoom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_zoom).

[WhiteStorm]

If you had bothered to Google the info, you'd know that our Moon rotates once in about 27.32 days, and its radius is 1080 miles or 1738 km. Now take that as reference and with your superior intelect extrapolate the data to FFVIII's moon and voilá!