Pokémon X&Y post-launch discussion thread - AKA Jinx is Upset

[drotato]

The Pixie Plate is in the Pokemon Village.



The Pixie Plate is in the Pokemon Village.

Yep. You need to go to the far west side, then Surf across the water.


Thank you guys, omg. This is so useful. xD

[Skyblade]

I beat the Elite Four and did my Game Sync, so you all should be able to see my third Pokémon (hopefully!). Although when I went to the Friend Safari, I didn't seem to be able to visit my own, just all my friends. And, checking my Normal Safari Friends, I have access to Eevee, Ditto, Kecleon, Chansey, Aipom, Audino, Dunsparce, Loudred, Lillipup, Minccinno, and Smeargle, everyone possible from a Normal except Teddiursa, which is supposedly in mine. Do I need to do the one Battle Maison win needed to unlock the postgame story first? And, if so, is that going to keep you guys from seeing my third Pokémon until I do (which will be probably late tonight, due to work schedule)?

Bug and Fire seem to be the rare ones among the Friend Codes I have acquired, and I am hoping I'll have a Larvesta somewhere, but I haven't checked.


Also, found out something awesome in one of the two Bug Safaris I have: If you have a friend with Vivillon in a different region, their Friend Safari Vivillon is of their regional colors. So it is completely possible to be the OT of Vivillons with patterns besides your own, as long as you get enough Friends with Vivillon in their Safari (admittedly, not easy, but still cool)!

I have a ton of Friends, and a lot from my trips to the recent Smogon boards, so as I find out all of what I have access to, I'll be sure to share. Let me know what you all need for catching/breeding.

[Endless]

I beat the Elite Four and did my Game Sync, so you all should be able to see my third Pokémon (hopefully!).

Actually, we need to be online at the same time as you for that, it appears syncing doesn't help (which is totally dumb).


Although when I went to the Friend Safari, I didn't seem to be able to visit my own, just all my friends. And, checking my Normal Safari Friends, I have access to Eevee, Ditto, Kecleon, Chansey, Aipom, Audino, Dunsparce, Loudred, Lillipup, Minccinno, and Smeargle, everyone possible from a Normal except Teddiursa, which is supposedly in mine.

As the name implies, it's a friend zone, not own zone safari ;)
People can get dittos off of me, and I can't, boohoo.


Do I need to do the one Battle Maison win needed to unlock the postgame story first? And, if so, is that going to keep you guys from seeing my third Pokémon until I do (which will be probably late tonight, due to work schedule)?

See above, it's about being online at the same time. The battle mansion is fast if you don't care about getting a lot of wins right off, just get your win then go battle your rival, and now you can get the upgraded bracelet (and stone searching "fun"), then the new quest story in Lumiose, which, by the way, totally overshadows the main story imho.


Bug and Fire seem to be the rare ones among the Friend Codes I have acquired, and I am hoping I'll have a Larvesta somewhere, but I haven't checked.

I have a friend or two with fire, but I don't rememebr on top of my head what they have, and I don't have my 3ds with me at the moment.
If you have a friend who has steel, check and see if he has magnemite/magneton/bronzong/metang and farm them for the item they hold, you'll be able to get good stuff from the gts (or share them with us and we will xD).


Also, found out something awesome in one of the two Bug Safaris I have: If you have a friend with Vivillon in a different region, their Friend Safari Vivillon is of their regional colors. So it is completely possible to be the OT of Vivillons with patterns besides your own, as long as you get enough Friends with Vivillon in their Safari (admittedly, not easy, but still cool)!

I have a ton of Friends, and a lot from my trips to the recent Smogon boards, so as I find out all of what I have access to, I'll be sure to share. Let me know what you all need for catching/breeding.

Nice about the Vivillons. As I said, farming the 4 steel pokemons I listed is worth it because the item they can hold (5% chance) is used to evolve Scyther into Scizor and short of catching these 4 pokemons, you only get one per game, and a lot of people want to trade their whatever for a Scizor.

[Jinx]

I'm not trying to be sassy, but I don't understand why everyone is freaking out about getting a Ditto. Just go to the Pokemon Village. They're everywhere!

[Agent Proto]

Pokemon from the FZS are guaranteed to have several perfect IVs in their stats. This is good for breeders.

[Skyblade]

So if you have no friends, you can't use FSZ at all? Even the game gives an impression that you can, with two NPCs specifically mentioning their own FSZ Pokemon.

Also, I thought GameSync would update it, as long as you were both online together at some point, so that they showed up in your in-game Friend list. I guess I'm wrong though. :( I will try to be online as much as possible for the next few nights.

Also, does anyone know what happens to the FSZ if you put your game in a different 3DS?

[Endless]

So if you have no friends, you can't use FSZ at all? Even the game gives an impression that you can, with two NPCs specifically mentioning their own FSZ Pokemon.

Thee might be a FSZ ersatz for people with no friends, but passerbys get upgraded to acquaintances if you trade with them, and there is a chance when battling/trading with an acquaintance that the game will offer you to add them to your friends.


Also, I thought GameSync would update it, as long as you were both online together at some point, so that they showed up in your in-game Friend list. I guess I'm wrong though. :( I will try to be online as much as possible for the next few nights.

Also, does anyone know what happens to the FSZ if you put your game in a different 3DS?

FSZ content is based off your friends' 3ds code. You using another 3DS doesn't change your friends' codes, so FSZs will stay unchanged. That's why we have an eoff spreadsheet, the three pokemons people will find in mine won't change, ever, as long as they have the friend code I have now.

Also, an app recently appeared (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/11/pokmon-x-and-y-community-solves-shiny-hatchingand-crowdsources-it/) that lets one peek at stats of pokemons being traded (wt/gts/personal) even in egg form, and also track shiny numbers (both of a pokemon/egg and trainer), which can help breed shinies : if the egg's shiny value is the same as the trainer who hatches it, it's a shiny/special color. The app requires you to have two network connections, one of which must be wireless and unused, and a wifi card that's compatible (and at the moment, win 7/8, and the .net framework). Some of us were thinking of adding a trainer shiny value to the spreadsheet (or you can use the giant reddit one mentioned in the kotaku article), and with a trade, we can help you find yours and check eggs.

[Skyblade]

Also, I thought GameSync would update it, as long as you were both online together at some point, so that they showed up in your in-game Friend list. I guess I'm wrong though. :( I will try to be online as much as possible for the next few nights.

Also, does anyone know what happens to the FSZ if you put your game in a different 3DS?

FSZ content is based off your friends' 3ds code. You using another 3DS doesn't change your friends' codes, so FSZs will stay unchanged. That's why we have an eoff spreadsheet, the three pokemons people will find in mine won't change, ever, as long as they have the friend code I have now.

To my knowledge, the system is based off of the 3DS Friends List, not the game's own list. My 3DS has everyone on EoFF Friended. If I transfer my game to a different 3DS, that 3DS has a different Friends List. Does my in-game FSZ list change to reflect the new Friends List of the new system?


Also, an app recently appeared (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/11/pokmon-x-and-y-community-solves-shiny-hatchingand-crowdsources-it/) that lets one peek at stats of pokemons being traded (wt/gts/personal) even in egg form, and also track shiny numbers (both of a pokemon/egg and trainer), which can help breed shinies : if the egg's shiny value is the same as the trainer who hatches it, it's a shiny/special color. The app requires you to have two network connections, one of which must be wireless and unused, and a wifi card that's compatible (and at the moment, win 7/8, and the .net framework). Some of us were thinking of adding a trainer shiny value to the spreadsheet (or you can use the giant reddit one mentioned in the kotaku article), and with a trade, we can help you find yours and check eggs.

I saw that app as well, it's big on Smogon for similar reasons, but I don't know that I can use it, as my 3DS connects through my wireless router, set up to network our family's machines, rather than through my PC itself (my PC has both a wired and a wireless connection, so I could turn off the wireless, but I don't know that it would help).

I would be willing to trade to get mine, just so that I know, but without a way to figure out what my eggs are, I don't know how much good it does.

[Endless]

To my knowledge, the system is based off of the 3DS Friends List, not the game's own list. My 3DS has everyone on EoFF Friended. If I transfer my game to a different 3DS, that 3DS has a different Friends List. Does my in-game FSZ list change to reflect the new Friends List of the new system?

Not sure. If you have friends in common between both consoles, those won't change for sure. You'll have to try and find out.


I saw that app as well, it's big on Smogon for similar reasons, but I don't know that I can use it, as my 3DS connects through my wireless router, set up to network our family's machines, rather than through my PC itself (my PC has both a wired and a wireless connection, so I could turn off the wireless, but I don't know that it would help).

I would be willing to trade to get mine, just so that I know, but without a way to figure out what my eggs are, I don't know how much good it does.

If you can connect wired to your router, then you might be able to use your wifi card for the app (it creates a custom access point, but it needs to be able to allow hosted networks, somewhere in the smogon thread is the way to check for that). On my eeepc t101mt, it seems I can have wifi on to connect to my router *and* have it act as an AP, might work for you aswell.
Egg shiny values you can find by trading with one of us with the app, just trade back and forth all the eggs you want checked then we pm you the list or tell you in the chatroom.

[Agent Proto]

To my knowledge, the system is based off of the 3DS Friends List, not the game's own list. My 3DS has everyone on EoFF Friended. If I transfer my game to a different 3DS, that 3DS has a different Friends List. Does my in-game FSZ list change to reflect the new Friends List of the new system?

Not sure. If you have friends in common between both consoles, those won't change for sure. You'll have to try and find out.


I've just gave this a shot to see if there is any difference. I wasn't sure what to expect but it surprised me a bit. For one, when you insert your game into another 3DS, your game will instantly recognize this and make changes on the PSS accordingly. For one, your list of Friends will change to that over to the Friend List on the 3DS you now use, this is true for the FZS as well. So, to put it bluntly, yes it does. You will see a message that says "The Nintendo 3DS has been changed! Updating Friends status."

[Skyblade]

To my knowledge, the system is based off of the 3DS Friends List, not the game's own list. My 3DS has everyone on EoFF Friended. If I transfer my game to a different 3DS, that 3DS has a different Friends List. Does my in-game FSZ list change to reflect the new Friends List of the new system?

Not sure. If you have friends in common between both consoles, those won't change for sure. You'll have to try and find out.


I've just gave this a shot to see if there is any difference. I wasn't sure what to expect but it surprised me a bit. For one, when you insert your game into another 3DS, your game will instantly recognize this and make changes on the PSS accordingly. For one, your list of Friends will change to that over to the Friend List on the 3DS you now use, this is true for the FZS as well. So, to put it bluntly, yes it does. You will see a message that says "The Nintendo 3DS has been changed! Updating Friends status."

Question Two: When you change back, do you keep any "third Pokémon" unlocks that you've found, or do you have to be online with them again?

[Agent Proto]

You don't lose anything if you change back.

[Tasura]

You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

[Jinx]

For some reason I ALWAYS forget you're not English, Tas. xD

[Skyblade]

You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

I know playing two on the same machine won't change. But I really don't know about playing one on multiple machines. You're saying that I won't lose any Friend Safaris that I've already acquired, even if I go to a 3DS that doesn't have those Friends? Does this mean that you could theoretically acquire more than the 100 possible Friend Codes by simply changing to another machine and adding more? Or, for that matter, would wiping a Friend delete their Friend Safari information? That seems way too open for manipulation/exploitation, so I think it has to be tied to the 3DS's Friend's List.


And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

It seems you're right. I thought, since I had only ever seen a Meadow Pattern (from Viola), that Meadow was my Pattern. Turns out that I'm actually a Modern Pattern area guy. Just evolved a Spewpa to be sure.

So Viola uses one you can't catch yourself. That's rather mean.

[Tasura]

For some reason I ALWAYS forget you're not English, Tas. xD

I'm not even British my heritage xD.



You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

I know playing two on the same machine won't change. But I really don't know about playing one on multiple machines. You're saying that I won't lose any Friend Safaris that I've already acquired, even if I go to a 3DS that doesn't have those Friends? Does this mean that you could theoretically acquire more than the 100 possible Friend Codes by simply changing to another machine and adding more? Or, for that matter, would wiping a Friend delete their Friend Safari information? That seems way too open for manipulation/exploitation, so I think it has to be tied to the 3DS's Friend's List.


And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

It seems you're right. I thought, since I had only ever seen a Meadow Pattern (from Viola), that Meadow was my Pattern. Turns out that I'm actually a Modern Pattern area guy. Just evolved a Spewpa to be sure.

So Viola uses one you can't catch yourself. That's rather mean.

I meant, as long as you have those same friends on both 3DS' you'd have access to the same FSZ, but if your second or third 3DS didn't have those friends, you'd lose access to them. I think at the point of my reply I was rather tired or had just woken up so I hadn't understood the entirety of what you were asking. And the NPCs in game use the Meadow pattern because it's one of the 2 Japanese patterns.

[Bunny]

After messing around with breeding and trying to construct my first "perfect" team, I have found myself with a couple leftovers that are near-perfect. If anyone wants one of them, PM me and let me know which one.


Note: I don't put much importance in Luxury Balls so none of the listed Pokemon are in them. Sorry!
Gible (with Outrage):
5 IV / Jolly / Sand Veil

31/31/31/x/31/31
31/31/31/31/x/31
x/31/31/31/31/31
31/31/x/31/31/31
31/x/31/31/31/31
x/31/31/31/31/31
31/31/31/31/31/x

5 IV / Docile / Rough Skin (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Relaxed / Sand Veil (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Impish / Sand Veil (31/31/31/x/31/31)
5 IV / Jolly / Rough Skin (x/31/31/31/31/31)

Eevee:
5 IV / Adamant/ Anticipation


x/31/31/31/31/31 (2)
31/31/31/31/31/x (2)
31/31/31/31/x/31

5 IV / Modest / Adaptability (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Adamant / Adaptability or Run Away)


31/31/x/31/31/31 (Run Away)
31/31/31/31/31/x (Adaptability)
31/31/31/x/31/31 (Run Away)
31/x/31/31/31/31 (Run Away)
31/31/31/31/x/31 (Run Away) (2)


Honedge:
5 IV / Brave / No Guard


x/31/31/31/31/31 (4)


Also several 4 IVs with various natures (most with their respective ideal nature) and HAs.

Not necessary to obtain one of the above, but I'm looking for the following with 4-5 IVs:
Scyther (Jolly w/Technician), Lucario (Adamant w/Inner Focus), Chespin (Impish w/Bulletproof), Fennekin (Timid or Modest w/Magician), Kangaskhan (Jolly w/Scrappy), Charmander (Timid w/ Blaze), Pawniard (Adamant w/ Defiant), Ralts (Female, Timid w/ Trace), Ferroseed (Relaxed), Ghastly (Timid)

[Ultima Shadow]

Added some friend codes and had some battles during a Touhou meetup last weekend. So I got myself a couple of Y exclusive pokemons, safari only pokemons and made a few back and forth trades for evolutions.

Trevenant is seriously one of my favs of this generation. My Harvest-wall set makes very little use of Trevenant's highest base stat (attack), yet it has proven to work wonders in every battle I've had with it so far. It, along with my Mega Mawile, took out a whole team alone in a wi-fi double battle against some random opponent who even used Xeneras and Mega Mewtwo.

And then, against more experienced players at the meetup, it would almost always bring down two pokemons with it, or take out one and greatly cripple another in every battle. Even in the worst match it had, it at least managed to prevent the rest of the team from getting swept by burning and leech seeding a 2x Dragon Dance Mega Gyarados.

I also love Mega Mawile more than ever now. It's a beast. It destroys things. And it actually survives quite a lot too with its great typing and defenses.


I do have pupitar!
Late reply to this, but I already got myself a Pupitar now, as well as most other pokemons that I might be needing for my final team(s).



Bug and Fire seem to be the rare ones among the Friend Codes I have acquired, and I am hoping I'll have a Larvesta somewhere, but I haven't checked.

If not, then I have some for trade now. I do believe they are all in Luxury Balls too.

[Endless]

Honedge:
5 IV / Brave / No Guard


31/31/31/x/31/31 (2)



Dat Honedge. It'll totally replace my Aegislash.



Not necessary to obtain one of the above, but I'm looking for the following with 4-5 IVs:
Scyther (Jolly w/Technician), Lucario (Adamant w/Inner Focus), Chespin (Impish w/Bulletproof), Fennekin (Timid or Modest w/Magician), Kangaskhan (Jolly w/Scrappy), Charmander (Timid w/ Blaze), Pawniard (Adamant w/ Defiant), Ralts (Female, Timid w/ Trace), Ferroseed (Relaxed), Ghastly (Timid)
[/spoiler]

I have a 4 IVs female ralts (outstanding, alert to sounds, HP/SPA/SDEF/SPD) with Trace and Timid. When I trade you, I'll be able to tell its exact stats. Catch me in #pokemon if you want to trade.

[Del Murder]

Do IVs make a huge difference or is it just a couple points in stats?

[Bunny]

As far as I know, each point in IV is equal to 1 point in the stat. So 31 Atk IV = +31 in the Attack stat.

[Del Murder]

That is significant. How do you tell which IVs it has?

[Endless]

That is significant. How do you tell which IVs it has?

The guy by the door to the changing room in the Kiloude City pokecenter will tell you the quality of your pokemon (if its IV total is low/medium/high/very high) as well as its best or abysmal stats. An IV of 31 will be announced as its "best" and that it "can't be beaten". For a 0, he'll tell you "how can you do/survive with a stat like ...?".
Couple that with a calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx) and you can get a good grasp on the IV distribution of your pokemon.

[Ultima Shadow]

Yeah, each IV translates into a whole stat point at level 100.

When using a calculator (in case you don't feel you have to go full 31 in all the stats for each and want the specific numbers), you should either have your pokemon participate in a battle where their level is automatically set to 50, and check their stats at summary during the battle, or you should take advantage of rare candies to level up, check stats, then reset in order to calculate more specific IVs.

If you level up against lots of pokemons, you will get EVs, which might make it harder to calculate the right IVs.

[Skyblade]

Interesting thing I've heard on Smogon: If someone unfriends you, you do not lose access to their Friend Zone, they only lose access to yours. This is because Unfriending someone only removes them from your system, it doesn't affect their system, or their system's list.

If this is true (I'm going to test it tomorrow with my second system), it opens up a massive exploit that I intend to take full advantage of.

I am going to speed run through the rest of Pokémon Y, and save when I get to Kiloude city, opening up the Friend Safari.

Then I'm going to pop out my game, and unfriend my 3DS. Then, I'll reformat my 3DS XL, which creates a new Friend Code and Friend Safari.

Then I pop my Pokémon Y back in, and friend my 3DS again. Ta da, new Friend Safari accessible. Rinse and repeat. It will be slow, probably taking a full day, if not longer, to get access to all the Safaris I need to get access to every FSZ Pokémon, but I think I am going to do it. When I do, I'll alert you all ahead of time, and anyone who is interested can also participate. Just let me know if you only want to be alerted to specific Pokémon or zone types, as there are liable to be a lot of duplicates as I go through them all.

Edit: It does seem to work. The only change from being unfriended is that you can no longer see when they are online. You can still access their Friend Safari.

[WildRaubtier]

There's a flaw in your plan - the pokemon in the FSZ are taken from a list, and each spot has its own list. Unless you beat the e4 before reformatting, you're not going to have access to everything there is.

[Skyblade]

There's a flaw in your plan - the pokemon in the FSZ are taken from a list, and each spot has its own list. Unless you beat the e4 before reformatting, you're not going to have access to everything there is.

I only have to reformat the system, not restart the game. When I put Pokemon Y back in, I would have already beaten the Elite Four, so it should unlock automatically. The save files are tied to the cartridge, I believe.

Edit: Perhaps it would be different if I had the downloadable version. I don't know that I could copy off the save files, given how much Nintendo hates giving people a second save file on Pokémon games. But with the cartridge, it shouldn't be a problem.

Also, worth pointing out, if you don't unlock all three Pokémon by defeating the Elite Four, you also lose out on Hidden Abilities, as they don't unlock until the third Pokémon unlocks.

[comma]

Somehow I've spent close to 50 hours on the game, and I've only just beaten the Lumiose City gym. There's a lot more grinding than I expected there'd be. They really make you work to fill up your pokedex.

What is up with people in the GTS? Every time I search for anything like a level 1 male Ralts, most people are asking for a Xerneas or Yvetal or Mewtwo in exchange. Does that ever pan out for them?

The most generous trades I've made were probably my Shedinja or Sylveon for some pretty basic level 1 stuff that I was missing, like a Gastly. But who is going to trade legendary pokemon just to fill out stuff that they could easily catch?

[Del Murder]

I found that odd too, but I was able to score some good GTS trades from people requesting things more reasonable.

[Endless]

Good find, and let me know when you get a ditto FSZ, since it's the one I can give to everyone but can't use myself >.>
Edit: the reason you see so many absurd GTS requests is because reasonable ones don't stay up long, they get accepted and only the stupid ones stay.

[Jinx]

I'm considering resetting my game and starting over. :)

[comma]

Edit: the reason you see so many absurd GTS requests is because reasonable ones don't stay up long, they get accepted and only the stupid ones stay.I'm not saying I only see stupid requests. But I'm surprised how many there are. At any given point, they seem to make up at least 75% of total requests.

[Skyblade]

Edit: the reason you see so many absurd GTS requests is because reasonable ones don't stay up long, they get accepted and only the stupid ones stay.I'm not saying I only see stupid requests. But I'm surprised how many there are. At any given point, they seem to make up at least 75% of total requests.

Well, good ones don't last long at all. With the number of players as high as it is, reasonable requests rarely last more than two minutes.

Also, I'm not sure if you can cancel a request once it's up (haven't tried). Otherwise why else would so many people keep up requests for Jirachi and other Pokémon which aren't even in game?


There's also the problem that the GTS isn't particular enough. Let's say that I have a Squirtle with it's Hidden Ability which knows Aura Sphere and Dragon Pulse (two great Egg Moves that work with Mega-Blastoise's Mega Launcher ability). I've also bred it for perfect nature and perfect or near-perfect IVs.

What can I ask for that Squirtle? A Pokémon of a particular gender. I can't make demands about Moves, IVs, Ability, Nationality, or anything else. So I put it up for a female Eevee, and add a note asking for a Japanese one with its Hidden Ability, Anticipation. It's gone in thirty seconds to a random caught one with junk IVs and Run Away. Asking for a Legendary is pretty much the only thing the system allows to ensure you get some value for your trade.

Then too, the person who is picking up the Pokémon can't see nearly the details they need to. They can't check Nature, they can't check IVs (can't even check stats, which would be a start, even if EVs and low level Pokémon would mess it up), they can't check Ability, and, if they're as obsessive as I am, they can't check which ball it was caught in. You have to trust the note the person added and hope that they are telling the truth.

They really need an "Advanced" GTS that give people some more options.

[Agent Proto]

Also, I'm not sure if you can cancel a request once it's up (haven't tried). Otherwise why else would so many people keep up requests for Jirachi and other Pokémon which aren't even in game?

Of course you can cancel a request once it's up, just as long as nobody has accepted.

[Tasura]

Also, I'm not sure if you can cancel a request once it's up (haven't tried). Otherwise why else would so many people keep up requests for Jirachi and other Pokémon which aren't even in game?

Of course you can cancel a request once it's up, just as long as nobody has accepted.

And if someone has accepted it, there isn't even a chance to take it off to see that it can't be done, because once accepted the next time you load the GTS the trade automatically happens, or if you're still on the GTS after depositing your Pokemon and it gets accepted (Which has happened to me before, Dittos go like crazy), when you go to check the summary of the deposited Pokemon the trade happens.

[drotato]

I'm considering resetting my game and starting over. :)
I've also thought about this, but I dunno if I can do it without crying. xD

[comma]

I think it works fine for what it is. Okay, you can't trade perfectly bred pokemon, but most people aren't into breeding the perfect pokemon, so it's not something that particularly matters. My assumption is that if you've taken the time to breed a perfect pokemon, you can find someone who wants it on your friends list instead of asking for total strangers to trade you something worthwhile.

[WildRaubtier]

Nerds, just wait until the Pokebank extension comes out, that way you can at least keep your favourites.

In other news, I finally finished farming all the berries that fall from trees in battle. I am willing to spare anyone else the trouble.

[Skyblade]

With a question like "What are IVs", I figured it couldn't hurt to go ahead and write up this post.

What makes a Good Pokémon?

Pretty much every species of Pokémon has its utility, and has a niche somewhere that makes it useful, or at least usable, somewhere in the game. However, there are certain features of individual Pokémon which may change how strong or usable they are compared to others of their own species. Understanding these strengths, how to manipulate them, and knowing what to get out of them, is what helps to make a real Trainer.




Perhaps obviously, one of the cores of a Pokémon's strength is their numeric statistics. Every Pokémon has six stats, and these stats determine how well they perform in various circumstances. Each Pokémon, however, has three unique modifiers which determine their stats within the available range for their species.

Before we discuss these modifiers, though, it might help to define a term that will come in handy when discussing the strengths and weaknesses of an individual Pokémon: Base Stats.



Base Stats are, put simply, the base statistic that the game uses to determine what a Pokémon's stats are at each level. The actual formula is complicated and relatively unimportant, but it does lead us to a fairly simple, and incredibly useful, way to assess a Pokémon's stats. First, we assume that all other modifiers are inconsequential. This is for a Pokémon with zero for all of its Individual Values, no Effort Values, and a Neutral Nature.

The HP of a Pokémon at level 100 is equal to the Pokémon's Base HP, multiplied by two, plus 110.
The value of any other stat for a Pokémon at level 100 is equal to the Base HP, multiplied by two, plus 5.

Why is this helpful? Because it lets us ignore all the modifiers I told you about a minute ago, and assess a Pokémon at its core, going by just the most basic system the game has. This cuts out the very odd stats you usually wind up with (like 359 in Special Attack after all modifiers), and focus on just what makes the Pokémon tick.


The first statistical modifiers are Individual Values. Individual Values are a system originally introduced to ensure that each individual Pokémon is different, even if slightly. Each stat has its own Individual Value, and these values range from zero, to thirty one. At level 100, a single Individual Value point is worth a single stat point, so a Pokémon with a "perfect" 31 IV in a stat will receive an extra 31 points in that stat, on top of the regular base total of its species.

The statistical modifiers are Effort Values. Effort Values were introduced to the series to help ensure that a Player's Pokémon would be more powerful than a Pokémon in the wild. They represent the Effort that a Trainer puts into training their Pokémon in battle. Unlike IVs, however, Effort Values are not a 1 for 1 trade. Instead, 4 Effort Values will boost a stat by 1 point at level 100. A single Pokémon can have 510 Effort Values distributed among its stats. However, no particular stat can have more than 252 Effort Values in it. These means that a Pokémon has 127 points that can be distributed among its stats (it's actually 127.5, but the 0.5 rounds down, so 2 EVs are wasted), and can add a maximum of 63 points to any particular stat.

The third and final statistical modifier is Nature. Nature can modify every statistic except HP. A Nature will adjust one stat upward by 10%, and adjust another stat downward by 10%. Every combination of the 5 remaining stats (Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed) is represented by a Nature, leading to a total of 25 (or 5 squared) different Natures. Please note that this also includes 5 Natures which boost the same stat which they decrease, making those 5 Natures cancel themselves out and result in a Neutral Nature.

On important detail to note about Natures, is that they are calculated after both EVs and IVs have been added. So if you max EVs in a stat boosted by a beneficial Nature, you will get an extra 69 points added to your total, rather than the 63 it would be otherwise, or the 57 it would be on a detrimental Nature.


Now that you know about the modifiers that affect a Pokémon's stats, let's talk about how to manipulate them.



Effort Values are the most easily manipulated, as they are dynamic and change on a single Pokémon. Also, for the first time in the series, Game Freak has allowed us to track them directly through the use of the Super Training interface. Super Training is also a great way to train EVs onto a Pokémon.

Without Super Training, however, a Pokémon will still gain EVs, as EVs can be acquired through battling. Any Pokémon that you defeat, either through making it faint or capturing it, yields particular EVs to all Pokémon which receive Exp. Points from fighting it. The EVs yielded range from 1 to 3, and are usually (but not always) in a single stat. What EVs you acquire depend on what Pokémon you defeated in the battle.

It is also possible to boost your EVs from battle. The Macho Brace item doubles all EVs obtained from battles. The Pokérus “virus” does the same, and is well worth trading for if you can find someone with it (not that hard with the new GTS). These two also work together, so getting both will yield four times the usual EVs.

There are also other items that boost EV acquisition. These items are called the Power Weight, Power Bracer, Power Belt, Power Lens, Power Band, and Power Anklet. They are available as prizes from the Battle Maison, and each gives an additional 4 EVs in HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed, respectively. The EVs that these items give are also doubled by the effect of the Pokérus.

Since these items only affect EVs acquired through battle, they make battles a more efficient system for boosting EVs than Super Training, once you unlock them. By combining the EV boosting Power Items with the Pokérus, you can get an incredibly large amount of EVs in a single battle by participating in Horde Battles. Check the EV yield of the Pokémon in Hordes in the area, and put on a Power Item (even if the Pokémon is in the party and getting experience through the Exp. Share, it will still work). You will get EVs for every Pokémon you defeat, including the additional EVs from the item.




Individual Values are somewhat more difficult to manipulate. Unlike Effort Values, which are dynamic on a particular Pokémon, Individual Values are fixed when a Pokémon is generated. As such, in order to manipulate them, you need to change how the Pokémon is generated.

With the code locked up and very little time spent experimenting, hacking and RNG manipulation methods are both currently unavailable. However, the game has left us even more tools for the primary method of manipulating how a Pokémon is generated: Breeding.

Under normal circumstances, when you breed two Pokémon, the baby will inherit the IVs for three of its stats from its parents. It can take any three stats, and the IVs it can inherit can be chosen from either parent. By itself, this isn't too helpful, as it will take a large number of eggs to inherit the best IVs, and there are still three IVs that will be randomly generated. However, there are items that can make this process much easier.

The first are the EV enhancing items that I mentioned in the last section. If one of the parents holds one of the Power items when it breeds, its child is guaranteed to receive the corresponding stat's IV from that parent. This allows you to guarantee the transferal of a particular IV. However, only one of the parents can use these items (if both hold them, even if they are items from different stats, instead of being guaranteed to pass on both IVs, it's a 50/50 chance to pass on either of them), which means that these are not the most efficient item to use.

The best item for IV manipulation is the Destiny Knot. Either parent holding a Destiny Knot during breeding will ensure that the child will inherit the IVs for five stats from either parent. While you still might not inherit a particular one, or you may inherit them from the wrong parent, it nevertheless means you will have far fewer eggs to go through before getting ones with the results that you wanted. Also, please note that one parent holding a Power Item to guarantee it passes a particular stat will deactivate a Destiny Knot being held by the other parent, and will result in only three stats being passed.

Of course, inheriting good IVs through breeding will require having parents with high IVs to begin with. Fortunately, the game has assisted us there as well. The Pokémon caught in the Friend Safari will always have an IV of 31 (the maximum possible) in at least two stats, making it much easier to acquire good IVs to pass on to Pokémon you are breeding. Further, any Pokémon which are among the unbreedable "baby" Pokémon, such as Riolu, Chingling, or Mime Jr., will always have at least three stats with maximum IVs, which will carry over when they evolve into their breedable adult forms.




Nature is also fixed at the point of time the Pokémon is generated. However, it is far easier to manipulate than the IVs of a Pokémon, no matter how you choose to generate it.

If you are hunting Pokémon in the wild, you can help determine which Nature Pokémon that you encounter will be. If your lead Pokémon has "Synchronize" as its Ability, then 50% of the Pokémon that you encounter will have the same Nature as the lead Pokémon. This includes any Legendaries that are encountered.

If you are breeding to acquire new Pokémon, either parent can pass on their Nature to the baby by holding an Everstone (if both parents hold one, the baby will randomly pick either parent's Nature to inherit).



Of course, those stats don't do a lot if your Pokémon doesn't have some good moves to use with them.

As you know, every Pokémon has moves that it can learn while leveling up. Most Pokémon can also learn moves via TM, further increasing their pool of available moves to take into combat.

However, there are a few special moves that can only be learned through slightly irregular means.

The first of these which are moves which are restricted to a pre-evolution. For example, Riolu can learn Nasty Plot by leveling up. Lucario, it's evolution, cannot. However, if a Riolu with Nasty Plot evolves into Lucario, you will have a Lucario which knows Nasty Plot.

The second set of specialty moves are what are called "Egg Moves". These are moves which are available to a Pokémon species by breeding. Normally, parents pass down moves that the baby can learn that the parents know (with some complicated and honestly, rather unimportant restrictions). So if you are breeding a male Lucario with Extremespeed with a female Farfetch'd that knows Tackle, the baby Farfetch'd will only know Tackle, since Farfetch'd cannot learn Extremespeed (unfortunately).

However, let's take this same situation, only this time, we'll breed a male Lucario with Quick Attack with a female Farfetch'd with Tackle. Farfetch'd can learn Quick Attack either, so you'll have another baby Farfetch'd with just Tackle, right? Well, you would, except that Quick Attack is one of Farfetch'd's (man, that's an awkward possessive) Egg Moves. As such, the baby Farfetch'd will know Quick Attack and Tackle.

Now, let's say that you've obtained a Smeargle (used for the example because it can learn any move, though you can do this with any Pokémon that can learn the correct moves) with 4 Egg Moves for Farfetch'd on it. We'll use Revenge, Night Slash, Leaf Blade, and Roost for this example, which are all Egg Moves for Farfetch'd (despite a crappy stat total, Farfetch'd has a pretty large movelist). If you bred this Smeargle with your Farfetch'd that knows Tackle, you'd expect a baby that knows Tackle, and three of the Egg Moves, right? Nope, wrong again. Egg Moves take priority over regular moves that the baby can learn, so that baby (and any others bred from this pairing) would know all four of the Egg Moves.

Now, let's take that new baby, which we'll say turned out female, and breed it with a new Smeargle. This Smeargle knows Covet, Steel Wing, Featherdance, and Trump Card (more Egg Moves for Farfetch'd!). What happens if you breed it with your Farfetch'd that already knows 4 Egg Moves? Well, I haven't tested myself, but some people on Smogon have said that the baby will know four of the moves, but the other four will still be available to the Pokémon. How, you might ask? Well, in this generation, Egg Moves can be restored to a Pokémon via the Move Reminder, in exchange for a Heart Scale. Thus, even if you forget one, you can learn it again (that I have tested), and, supposedly, if you have bred more than four onto a Pokémon through breeding, you can restore the ones which it can't carry due to the move slot limit.

The worst part about Egg Moves is that the lists are unique to each Pokémon, so you have to either look them up, or experiment a ton. And some moves require breeding egg moves across a chain of Pokémon in order to teach the move to a Pokémon that you can breed with your target.



That's right, we can't forget about Abilities, can we?

Every Pokémon has at least one ability. Some don't have any more than that (Flygon, for example, will always have Levitate). But most have at least one alternate. Like IVs, which Ability a Pokémon has will be fixed at the time it is created.

For a Pokémon with two standard Abilities, it has an equal chance to get either of the two when it is generated.

As the use of the word "standard" in my last sentence may have clued you in, some Pokémon have Hidden Abilities. These Abilities are only accessible through unique means. In Pokémon X and Y, they're available rarely in Horde battles, or occasionally from Pokémon who are found in the Friend Safari (as long as your Friend has all three of their FSZ Pokémon unlocked).

How to manipulate Abilities? Well, there aren't as many options for that. Breeding is pretty much the only way. A female Pokémon has a 60% chance to pass on the Ability it is carrying to its offspring. Or a male Pokémon has the same 60% chance when it is breeding with Ditto.

If the current Ability is not passed on, the offspring Pokémon will get the basic Ability of its species. If the species has two basic abilities, it will have an even chance of getting either of them. So, when passing down Abilities, the breakdown goes like this:

Parent's Ability: 60%
Ability 1: 20%
Ability 2: 20%

Note then that if you are passing down a basic Ability, the chance becomes essentially 80%.


So, now that you know what makes up a Pokémon, and how to manipulate those components, it's time to determine what makes a good Pokémon.


This is where things get fun, but things can also get complicated, due to how things play off against each other and how many different features there are. So, I thought I'd take you through how I built the most recent addition to my team, my Mega-Absol. I chose Mega-Absol because I've always been an Absol fan (it looks so cool!), and I like it's Mega-Evolution. That's really all I need to justify using it. It's just up to me to make it good.




Ok, so the first way I start out is by assessing the Pokémon's Base Stats. It's a great way to get an overview of what the Pokémon is designed to do, and can help get a view in mind for how it will work.



Absol's Base Stats:
HP: 65
Attack: 130
Defense: 60
Special Attack: 75
Special Defense: 60
Speed: 75

From this, we can see that Absol excels in physical attacks... And that's about it. To give you a view of how these stats fare up against other Pokémon, Absol has the highest Base Attack stat of any non-Legendary, single-evolution Pokémon, and put it in the top 45 list, and that list includes Legendaries and Mega Evolutions.

It's other stats are rather lackluster, though. In terms of Speed, there are a ton of commonly used threats that run 90 to 100, including fully evolved starters and a lot of fighting types (which capitalize on Absol's Fighting Weakness), like Lucario, Primeape, Hitmonlee, Sawk, Toxicroak, and Heracross, just to name a few.

One a Pokémon with more bulk, this would be ok. But Absol, unfortunately, lacks such bulk, as 60 Base in each Defense is fairly sad, putting you at the same defense level as a lot of Not Fully Evolved Pokémon like Ivysaur and Axew.


Before we get too far into analyzing these stats, though, we need to remember that this particular Absol is being planned to be turned into a Mega-Absol. So let's take a moment and look over the base stats of Mega-Absol.

Mega-Absol:
HP: 65
Attack: 150
Defense: 65
Special Attack: 115
Special Defense: 65
Speed: 115

Now, let's look at what changed. It's Attack received a great boost, and it now has an Attack stat that's only bested by 13 Pokémon (including 4 Legendaries).

More importantly, perhaps, it received an even bigger boost to its Speed stat, allowing it to outrun all those Base 100s I told you about, and even the Base 110 Speed Tier, which is pretty dang fast.

Its bulk was unfortunately not buffed, but it might be worth noting that it received a fairly massive buff to its Special Attack as well.

Now that I've scoped out its stats, it's time to take a look at its move pool.



This is a little harder to demonstrate, as most Pokémon have really large move pools to choose from. These large move pools can also be distracting or confusing, as they may indicate play styles that aren't really viable on the Pokémon in question.

For example, Absol learns several moves naturally by leveling up that aren't really usable by it, including Perish Song, Taunt, Razor Wind, and Future Sight. Absol just doesn't have the bulk for two turn attacks (especially ones which don't grant near invulnerability the way Dig or Fly do), or to stall out opponents for the duration of Perish Song, let alone surviving a Pokémon Taunted into just attacking.

However, it does have a solid move pool to choose from which it can use well, including:

Swords Dance, Quick Attack, Night Slash, Sucker Punch, Psycho Cut, Pursuit, Thief, Return, Shadow Claw, Payback, Retaliate, Stone Edge, X-Scissor, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace, and Rock Smash.

Oh, but lest I forget, it also had a great boost to Special Attack in Mega Form, which opens up the possibility of using some of its other moves really effectively, such as:

Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Blizzard, Ice Beam, Thunder, and Thunderbolt (he learns Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse too, but they aren't worth it with that massive Attack stat sitting there with great Physical moves for it).

This gives a clear indication that Absol can hit hard, and with the Mega-boost, it can hit fast as well. So, knowing what I want to do with it (build it into a sweeper, designed to tear through entire teams), I then take a look at its Egg Moves.

Yeah, you could look at these along with the standard move pool, but I find it better to wait until you know what you want to do with it, and then look for Egg Moves that augment that style of play. It's a rare Egg Move that shows me an entirely new way to play a Pokémon (though they do exist).

Assessing these separately also makes sense because they're harder to get, and should be judged carefully, lest you waste time breeding for them.



Absol's Egg Moves include:
Assurance, Baton Pass, Curse, Double-Edge, Feint Attack, Hex, Magic Coat, Mean Look, Megahorn, Play Rough, Punishment, and Zen Headbutt.

There's also a few there that Absol already learns through Leveling Up, which I don't bother to include.

Looking at the move list, you see a few that are still falling into the same trap as Perish Song. Absol just doesn't have the bulk to run Magic Coat or a stat decreasing move like Mean Look, and Punishment requires you to get hit to reach full power, and Absol doesn't like getting hit.

Double-Edge only hits slightly stronger than a full power Return. Assurance is mostly for Double Battles, so not really worth getting for my setup (which is designed for Singles). Megahorn is less accurate than X-Scissor (which I already have access to if I want Bug coverage). Zen Headbutt is similarly less accurate than Psycho Cut. Feint Attack never misses, but is inferior in power to both Sucker Punch and Night Slash. Hex requires a status ailment I don't want to waste turns or move slots inflicting, making it less damaging and reliable than Shadow Ball or Shadow Claw. And Curse cuts Absol's speed, as well as being slower to build up than Swords Dance. Even with a Defense boost, Absol just isn't that bulky.

So the usable Egg Moves on Absol appear to be Play Rough and Baton Pass.

Play Rough gives Absol Fairy coverage, which meshes beautifully with its natural Dark STAB. Only two Pokémon resist the combination of Dark and Fairy, and those are the Steel Fairy Pokémon, Klefki and Mawile.

Baton Pass can let Absol pass off its Swords Dance to another Pokémon if something pops up which I know can threaten it. And, since only two Pokémon resist the Dark/Fairy attack combination, I don't exactly need to run a third attack. It's also worth noting that Mega-Absol's ability, Magic Bounce, will let it avoid things like Intimidate or Screech, that might lower its stats, ensuring it gets its full boost to pass off to its target.

Fortunately, both Baton Pass and Play Rough are able to be picked up by breeding with Mawile, who learns both moves naturally.

So now I know that I want to breed Play Rough and Baton Pass onto my Absol. Thus, as I am ready to start breeding, it's time to think about what Nature and Ability I want my Absol to have.



Nature is usually fairly straightforward. For a sweeper like Absol, there are generally only four Natures worth looking at. These are Adamant, Modest, Jolly, and Timid. Both operate on the same principle: Lower the attack stat that your sweeper does not use (in this case, Absol's Special Attack), and boost either your main attack stat, or Speed.

Normally, I'd love an Adamant on my physical attackers (competitive players love Speed, but I don't play competitively, just Battle Maison and friendly duels, where that insane degree of min/maxing doesn't come into play). However, Absol is really powerful as it is, so moving first actually means a lot. He has the power to One-Hit-KO a lot of threats, especially after a Swords Dance, but keeping him alive with his weak defenses means making sure that most things won't move before him, so they can't hit him.

Thus, Jolly seems like the best bet. Unfortunately, it's not. Not quite. This is because, as I said, there are two Pokémon who can wall my Absol. Now, I could pass off to another Pokémon to continue the sweep, but Absol also carries two moves that absolutely destroy Mawile and Klefki: Flamethrower and Fire Blast.

Since Mega-Absol gets such a boost to Special Attack, they may be worth running as tertiary attacks instead of Baton Pass to let Mega-Absol punch through the only things that can resist it. It will also help against Pokémon like Scizor, who just has naturally high Physical Defense.

So I don't want to lower the Special Attack they were so nice to gift me with. This means that, to boost my Speed, I need to consider losing either Defense, or Special Defense. For Absol, this one is actually fairly easy. Despite its great Speed, there are still moves which can hurt it. These are Priority moves like Quick Attack. All but one Priority move is Physical, so investing in Physical defense is the better option. Plus, the only Special Priority attack is Vacuum Wave, which is Fighting type and will probably crush Absol anyway, if anyone ever used it. Which they don't.

So the Nature I am going to go for is Naïve, which boosts Speed, but lowers Special Defense.

So that's the Nature I want. Now to choose an Ability.



Absol's Abilities are:
Super Luck
Pressure
Justified (Hidden Ability)

This one actually doesn't matter that much. By going Mega, Absol will always get Magic Bounce. And there is really no reason to not Mega-Evolve Absol on the first turn it is out (plenty of reasons why it's a bad idea to not Mega-Evolve immediately, in fact). So you wouldn't even really have the Ability of base Absol for even one turn.

Choosing between the two normal ones is really easy. Absol still doesn't have the bulk to run a stalling set, so Pressure is worthless. Super Luck is far better, if you ever had a turn to attack in your base form.

However, there is a slight, very [b]very VERY slight possibility to use one of Absol's Abilities. That Ability is Justified, Absol's Hidden Ability. If you can switch into a weak Dark attack, like a Thief, Feint Attack, or Bite, you will probably survive, since Absol resists it. And that would give you a free Attack boost before you Mega-Evolved. This is, however, dangerous, and relies on you to predict well (granted, much easier in the Battle Maison than against players, since you can lure out a Dark attack by sending out pretty much any Psychic type against an opponent that carries Dark attacks like Sandile). It's usually safer to get Absol in without suffering an attack if you can.

Still, that gives Justified the slight boost, even in a rare situation. And, fortunately, Absol is available in the Friend Safari.

Now we've settled on what we want Absol to have. Sure, there's still the possibility of switching out Baton Pass for Flamethrower/Fire Blast depending on how my team shapes up, and whether I have anyone else who can handle Klefki and Mawile easily, but that's unimportant right now. Instead, we start breeding.



We'll start with breeding with Mawile. Mawile can immediately learn Play Rough with a Heart Scale, and learns Baton Pass at level 31 (it also learns Feint Attack at level 26, just if you want to pass an extra Egg Move in case you ever want to recall it with a Heart Scale later). So I take a level 31+ Mawile, and start breeding it with a female Naïve Absol I got from the Friend Safari (use a Synchronizer to help get the Nature you want).

I did not have access to Mawile in the Friend Safari when I did this, so I keep going until I preserve both of Absol's 31 IVs (the Judge in Kiloude City is wonderful for checking the IVs of new Pokémon). Then I breed Absol with other Friend Safari Absols to get more good IVs distributed. This is a long process, since even if each parent has 2 IVs at 31, the baby might not have any due to the evil that is RNG.

But, eventually, I have a Pokémon with 5 IVs at 31. Which stat did I drop? Well, the same one my Nature hurt, Special Defense, as it was the one I decided was least important to me. You could theoretically keep hatching until you got one that was hex-flawless, but I'm not going to bother with that.

With the breeding done, the only step left is Training.



The first step is to EV train. Super Training is great for this, especially if you don't have the EV boosting items from the Battle Maison yet.

For my Absol, I'm going to go with 252 in Attack, to ensure it hits as hard as possible, 252 in Speed, to ensure it is as fast as possible, and the last 6 (only 4 of which matter) are going to give me a single extra point of Special Attack, just to boost my Special damage ever so slightly, if I decide to run Flamethrower.

Then it's just a matter of leveling Absol up to 100 (or simply at least 50, if he's doing the Battle Maison), and making sure he knows all the moves I want him to learn. And let's recap those briefly, since I never did come to a full conclusion about any except the Egg Moves.

Play Rough
Baton Pass/Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Swords Dance
Night Slash/Sucker Punch

That last one is the hard one of the set, at least to me. Sucker Punch is great, especially on Mega-Absol, since your opponent's only choice is to attack when status moves don't work (if the opponent is a human and smart enough to realize that, I haven't tested it in the Battle Maison yet). But it has lousy PP, and only 10 more Base Power than Night Slash. On the other hand, it is Priority, so it could hit faster Pokémon... In the end, I chose Night Slash, mostly because I wasn't sure how well the Battle Maison would work around Sucker Punch. But I could always change again with a Heart Scale at the Move Reminder.



So, there you go. How to manipulate the values that make up a Pokémon, and how to look for what you want out of a Pokémon, and how to bring that out. Hopefully this helped anyone who was looking to form their own team (because otherwise, why did I spend a week typing all that?). Even if you don't use or like my choices, maybe you can take the core principles to your own favorites.


Also, I now have a ton of Absol with Play Rough and Baton Pass (no Feint Attack, didn't think of it, sorry) and good IVs to get rid of. Who wants some?

[Bunny]

Despite having 7 boxes full of WT Pokemon, I have yet to get one infected with Pokerus. Anyone have one they'd be willing to throw my way?

[Ultima Shadow]

Just let me know if you only want to be alerted to specific Pokémon or zone types, as there are liable to be a lot of duplicates as I go through them all.
A Sableye with Prankster is one of the few pokemons that I'm still missing and would really love to have. :greenie:



In other news, I finally finished farming all the berries that fall from trees in battle. I am willing to spare anyone else the trouble.
Do you happen to have the anti-fire and/or anti-ground berries? And/or Lum Berries (still haven't found those)?


Despite having 7 boxes full of WT Pokemon, I have yet to get one infected with Pokerus. Anyone have one they'd be willing to throw my way?
I do have a few infected ones saved in one of my boxes, so I could give you one. Just set up a trade whenever you see me online or something. :greenie:


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"Ahhhhh! Finally done with my team!
Heck yeah! Ready to battle at any time"
"Tch. I still got a bit to go.










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"Hah! You call that a team? You useless poken00b!
Like... do you even breed? Your team has five bloody
pokemons with Sword Dance and four steel types!
Your special defenses are weaker than paper! See,
this is why you always lose. Your barbaric strategies
consist of nothing but misreable attempts at freaking
Sword Dance sweeps. When the opponent puts a stop
to your setup attempts, your only countermeasure is to
pray that the opponent will miss and that you will crit a lot."










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"Oh yeah? You're talking big for someone
who doesn't even HAVE a team yet."










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"It's not even possible for me to complete
my team yet. I need Whimsicott, who is
impossible to get until the pokebank opens."










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"You actually use Whimsicott?"
"That cute, fluffy, adorable thing?"










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"Adorable? You blind fools! Know you not that
Whimsicott is the pokemon equivalent to satan?
Whimsicott is the bringer of endless despair!
The subseed annoyer that will vanquish all
hope and bring you down the spiral of madness!
Just let me finish my Klefki, satan's new son, and
then I'll show you just why the Prankster ability
is a dark cruelty far beyond mortal grasp!"










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"No, seriously. Swords Dance all you want.
Those 'adorable' little things are going to
destroy both your team and your sanity."

[Bunny]

Thanks a bunch!

[WildRaubtier]

I have those berries, yes. At the moment I'm just finishing up breeding for the pinch berries, then it's just the last two for making Amaze Mulch. And Starf/Lansat, but those don't count :I

I hope you like Shroomish.

[Endless]

I'm looking for a Gligar with immunity, female if you have that, and stats don't matter.

Also, if one of you has spare quad dittos from my FSZ, I could really use one (or two to have a good spread of IVs).

[Ultima Shadow]

I hope you like Shroomish.
Shroomish is badass. Thanks for the berries! :greenie:

I'm looking for a Gligar with immunity, female if you have that, and stats don't matter.

Also, if one of you has spare quad dittos from my FSZ, I could really use one (or two to have a good spread of IVs).
I have a single Gligar with Immunity at the moment, but I plan to breed it soon. So if you haven't gotten any by the time I've started breeding Immunity Gligars, I can trade you one.

As for dittos, I only have ones with 2-3 maxed IVs, since I was mainly looking for dittos with useful natures and I haven't been ditto hunting in your safari more than twice. But yeah... I could trade you a couple of 2-3 IV dittos.:greenie:


Also: holy crap, Imposter Ditto is so awesome. I won a Wi-Fi battle against a pretty good player, where my Ditto took out 5 of his 6 pokemons and left a massive dent in the last one. Imposter Ditto is the one single way to have a Mega evolution holding an actual item. And that can make it so ridiculous sometimes. <3

[Endless]

I have a single Gligar with Immunity at the moment, but I plan to breed it soon. So if you haven't gotten any by the time I've started breeding Immunity Gligars, I can trade you one.

Just caught a male one in fact. I'll try to breed females from it, then it'll be another period of pain to find the right nature (impish) and breed it in. Then the slow process of IV breeding since I have no IV ditto.


As for dittos, I only have ones with 2-3 maxed IVs, since I was mainly looking for dittos with useful natures and I haven't been ditto hunting in your safari more than twice. But yeah... I could trade you a couple of 2-3 IV dittos.:greenie

A duo of threes should cover all the IVs. At any rate, I'm gonna start messaging other ditto fszers on smogon to see if one wants to trade codes so I can finally access one.

Edit: found someone with a ditto fsz, now I can go and catch them myself >.>

[Ultima Shadow]

Edit: found someone with a ditto fsz, now I can go and catch them myself >.>
Ah, alrighty. Nice! :greenie:

Also: 4 player battles are awesome.

[Denmark]

I started my file over, choosing Chespin/Squirtle this time. And I got an Adamant Squirtle, lovely. (actually not lovely)

I'm using a bunch of different Pokemon that I didn't use in the last playthrough, and actually having Exp. Share on the whole time (I played through most of the game with it off last time). I'm just past Geosenge Town (first visit) and my current team is: Wartortle, Whirlipede, Amaura, Litleo, Golett, Sylveon (my recently-evolved Chesnaught is boxed so the rest can gain experience, since it's several levels higher)

[Skyblade]

I started my file over, choosing Chespin/Squirtle this time. And I got an Adamant Squirtle, lovely. (actually not lovely)

I'm using a bunch of different Pokemon that I didn't use in the last playthrough, and actually having Exp. Share on the whole time (I played through most of the game with it off last time). I'm just past Geosenge Town (first visit) and my current team is: Wartortle, Whirlipede, Amaura, Litleo, Golett, Sylveon (my recently-evolved Chesnaught is boxed so the rest can gain experience, since it's several levels higher)

I have a Wartortle Friend Safari (and a Greninja one too). I can pick you up a Modest via Synchronize if you want.

I have to say, I love the new mechanics in this game. This game has done more to decentralize my Pokémon team than any other game in the series (and it did so in a way that was far more fun than Black and White's "lol, no more Exp. for you"). The availability of so many Pokémon, the Exp. Share boosting team building, and the much easier breeding have made this game a blast to play through, and my teams have wound up spanning multiple boxes, just on a single play through the game.

That said, the endgame is extremely disappointing. I love the new breeding mechanics, and I'm actually enjoying breeding up Egg Moves and good IVs on tons of Pokémon, for one of the first times in the series. That said, there is nothing to use them on.

The ease with which you can breed, EV train, and level to 100 has really imposed on the games a necessity for level 100 content. The Battle Maison is nice, I guess, but mindless duels only take things so far. Platinum had the best endgame I can recall, and I'd like to use it to help define what I'd like to see in Pokémon Z (or whatever games we get going forward, I need a variable for the name, and X is taken):

-1- Gym Leader rematches. The Gym Leader bar was my single favorite location in all of Sinnoh. Having a place where you could not only rematch the Gym Leaders, but see them with real parties, was fantastic. Unfortunately, the Battle Chateau utterly fails at delivering this experience. For one thing, the Gym Leaders are few and far between, and we're mostly fighting random scrubs (who still talk to me like I'm a newbie even though I'm a Grand Duke). What's worse, the Gym Leaders only have two party members, the Elite Four only have three, and even the Champion only has four! That kind of ruins the entire purpose!

They need some way to filter out the lower level trainers as you increase in rank, as well as a way to get some truly high level opponents in there. Even with the Black Writ, you're only looking at 20 extra levels. While that may be okay for the Elite Four and Champion (if you're lucky enough to see them), it's pitiful on the Gym Leaders. I want a Writ that restricts entry to just the special opponents, and boosts their levels to 80 or 100. I'd also like to be able to face Serena/Calem, Tierno, Shauna, and Trevor there, again with full and buffed teams. While we're at it, throw in the Professors: Oak, Rowan, Juniper, Sycamore, Elm, Birch, Krane, and Burnet (we finally got to face Sycamore in this game, why only twice?). And the past Champions.

The atmosphere of the Platinum Leader Lounge was great. It felt like a hangout for the Elite, a place for them to unwind and take a break from their duties, and I'd love to see that expanded upon (and, with Lumiose City's café fixation, it should not have been hard).


-2- More missions with Looker. The Looker missions are easily the best part of the story. They're better written, and more engaging, than anything we got in the pathetic main plot. They're also criminally short, and not nearly hard enough. I would love to see our characters, now with the codename and a friend with the International Police, to actually become a wandering crime-fighter, akin to how most of the Champions we've seen in the games actually behave (Lance and Cynthia being the first to who jump to mind).

For one thing, although it might be a bit repetitive after X/Y, let us hunt down the Team Flare scientists. I mean, did they ever get caught? No clue, apart from Xerosic. Let's also explore Malva's connection to Team Flare a bit more. I get the feeling that they deliberately left this stuff open for Pokémon Z, but that won't solve the problem of interesting post-game.


-3- More interesting battle types. I actually like Sky Battles, because they force me to run Pokémon types and quantities that I usually avoid (yeah, Tropius isn't the best Sky Battler with Fly, Rock Smash, Sweet Scent, and Flash). I'd love to see more of those. I'd also like to see a LOT more Inversion Battles. They're a brilliant mechanic, and I'd love to see them being much more common.


-4- New Game+. With Challenge Mode. B2/W2 gave us Challenge Mode to boost the game difficulty. But only after you beat the game, rendering it worthless. I would love to see Challenge Mode return, but tied together with New Game+. The longer the series goes on, the more the reasons to not have this feature fall apart. Pokémon, even event Pokémon and Legendaries, are extremely readily available via the GTS or even just regular play (and you can catch all but one of the Pseudo-Legendaries in tall grass in X/Y). You also have easy access to multiple starters through FSZ and GTS. So restricting us from getting multiples of certain Pokémon just doesn't really make sense. And giving us New Game+ would be brilliant for difficulty. You could make it adjustable, so we could face opponents of varying levels. But it would encourage us to run other teams, and make the game more interesting if you had a serious Challenge Mode run that could pose a threat to teams filled with level 100 Pokémon.



Also, I managed to get two Larvitar off Wonder Trade. One had Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Outrage, and Dragon Dance (pretty much the four best Egg Moves that Larvitar can get), and the other had Iron Head and Iron Tail. So I was able to do some testing with Egg Moves. Unfortunately, you still can't get more than four on a single Pokémon, the extras are just lost, and can't be recovered via Heart Scale. But I do now have several Larvitar with Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Outrage, and Dragon Dance, if anyone wants one. I'm breeding them up with the Pupitars I've gotten from the FSZ, so I have quite a few spitbacks in Luxury Balls.

I also have some Farfetch'd (Modest, unfortunately), Gastly, Riolu, and Absol (Absol has Play Rough and Baton Pass), if you want any of them.

[WildRaubtier]

RE: ABOVE
I foresee Essentia having a lot more depth in Z, yes.

The move relearner considers egg moves to be whatever 4 moves that pokemon had when it hatched - including moves it'd have anyway. I assume the father's moves take preference, but try tinkering with various combinations to see if there's any particular pattern that emerges.

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I'm actually after Zigzagoon that have the pickup ability, right now. I want 6 of them. From anyone here except Locky. :D

[Skyblade]

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"Adorable? You blind fools! Know you not that
Whimsicott is the pokemon equivalent to satan?
Whimsicott is the bringer of endless despair!
The subseed annoyer that will vanquish all
hope and bring you down the spiral of madness!
Just let me finish my Klefki, satan's new son, and
then I'll show you just why the Prankster ability
is a dark cruelty far beyond mortal grasp!"

Yeah, I have to kind of agree with this. Prankster is really annoying. And, just to spoil you're fun, I'm going to reveal one of the more annoying (and easy to use) Klefki sets out there (in my opinion):

Item = Leftovers

Thunder Wave
Swagger
Foul Play
Spikes

This set is based around the first three moves. Thunder Wave paralyzes your foe, and Prankster makes it a Priority move. You then Swagger, sharply boosting your opponent's Attack, and confusing it. Oh, and it is also priority, which really helps ensure that Klefki gets the debilitating moves in before getting hit.

Once your opponent is hit by Paralysis and Confusion, you have some free time. The main strategy is to set up one level of Spikes (again, Spikes is priority), then use Foul Play. Foul Play works off the Attack stat (and Attack modifiers) of your opponent, so you'll be doing a lot higher damage thanks to the Swagger boost. You should wipe out the opponent before they're freed from Confusion (if not, Swagger again. That probably means you're facing a low-attack wall, so survival shouldn't be a problem). When the next opponent is switched in, repeat. Spikes can be set up to three times, and once maxed, it deals 25% damage to all non-flying, non-Levitating Pokémon who switch in.

You can also try to set up three layers first, and just be ready to re-Swagger if confusion breaks (a little bit more effective of a strategy, but riskier). This ensures that Klefki gets its long-term effects in early, as there are few Pokémon that can stop Klefki while under the effects of Para-Fusion. It's just a risk if they do carry an effective stopping tool (or are Electric, and therefore immune to Paralysis).

If you're facing a Physical Electric type, especially one who can carry Fire-based moves, Klefki is going to be pretty vulnerable, so consider switching early, and go back to it later. Otherwise, enjoy the Spikes damage and watching a keyring tear your opponents up with their own Attack stat.

[WildRaubtier]

Is this your strategy? (http://www.random.org/coins/?num=1&cur=60-usd.0010c)

[Skyblade]

Is this your strategy? (http://www.random.org/coins/?num=1&cur=60-usd.0010c)

Nope, not mine. It's just the one I've been considering adding to my team. It would get me a secondary hazard setter (currently leading with Tyranitar and Stealth Rocks), and I've seen just how effective it can be. But I'm usually more straightforward than that. However, I could follow Tyranitar with Klefki, since the keyring won't take Sandstorm damage. Between Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Sandstorm, that would be a great passive damage set.

EDIT: Finally realized what you were asking. No, not at all. Personally, I loathe random chance strategies. Mostly because the RNG hates me. A lot. As in, I've seen Air Cutter miss thrice in a row. A 95% accuracy move. I hate running moves with unreliable accuracy (read = anything below 100%), or anything else that is left up to chance, because it means that the RNG will delight in tormenting me. This is actually the cause of one of my biggest disagreements with the competitive community (who would essentially never run Flamethrower if Fire Blast is available). Random chance hates me.

[Ultima Shadow]

Item = Leftovers

Thunder Wave
Swagger
Foul Play
Spikes

This set is based around the first three moves. Thunder Wave paralyzes your foe, and Prankster makes it a Priority move. You then Swagger, sharply boosting your opponent's Attack, and confusing it. Oh, and it is also priority, which really helps ensure that Klefki gets the debilitating moves in before getting hit.

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"That is, in fact, pretty much the same
set I'm using. Except I use Substitute
instead of spikes. Entry hazards can
be a pain, but having Klefki hidden
behind a Substitute whenever the
opponent actually manages to get
through the ParaFusion will make
them want to snap their 3DS in half."










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"Do you even have fun playing like that?
Don't you ever feel bad for what you put
other people through? What's the point?"










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"You do realize that I've done far worse things
than pissing people off in pokemon, right?"
"...lies! There can be no greater
crime than ruining my pokefun."

[Hollycat]

Pokemon Y will be on sale tomorrow at Toys R Us for $20. Go to their website, click weekly ad, then on the next page click the button for Friday- Saturday. If you print out the 4th page of that ad, both Walmart and Target will honor the price.

http://weeklyad.toysrus.com/ToysRUs/BrowseByPage/Index/?StoreID=2561586&PromotionID=95566&PromotionViewMode=2


Edit: You have to enter a store location before the special ad will show up.

[Skyblade]

And, while doing my own searches, I noticed that Wal-Mart is apparently offering an exclusive unlock code with the purchase of either game. Pokémon X gets you Garchomp, Pokémon Y gets you Scizor. They are codes which unlock the Pokémon in-game, and can be redeemed over WiFi. So Pokémon has finally jumped on the vendor-exclusivity bandwagon. Pity.

[Shaibana]

i am etremely dissapointed with the Safari :l
i actually looked forward to it, only to find out that its just a freaking square with grass

and i got through the whole story/gymes/pokeleague with 2 fingers in my nose.. really.. becaus of that Exp.share it ruined the challenge since with other pokemon i catch only the 6 pokemon that i want.

unlike here i switched pokemon several times and still i went to the league with ± lvl 77 pokemon :l without extra training

[Pike]

I want Moon Stones. Lots and lots of Moon Stones. I want to evolve all my Pokies that need them. But I do not feel like farming that one Super Secret Special Training or whatever it's called.

Guess I just have to keep at it, though... :|

[Skyblade]

I want Moon Stones. Lots and lots of Moon Stones. I want to evolve all my Pokies that need them. But I do not feel like farming that one Super Secret Special Training or whatever it's called.

Guess I just have to keep at it, though... :|

I have a few I'd be willing to trade you. I don't mind the Special Secret Super Training.

I also have several 4 IV Adamant Technician Scythers sitting in my PC, and a few Metal Coats (been farming Metangs from the Friend Safari for them). If anyone wants a Scizor... Granted, if you want a 5 IV, you'd have to breed them a bit more, but HP, Atk, Spe, and either Defensive stat is still pretty good if you just want one quick. Egg Moves known: Baton Pass, Silver Wind, and Bug Buzz (Scizor usually doesn't actually use any Egg Moves, especially not Special Attack based ones, but I wanted Baton Pass as an option, and Ledyba/Ledian learns all three).

I also still have some high IV Larvitar, Gastly, Ralts, Farfetch'd, and Absol running around, and I'm getting to the point where I'm going to want to start clearing my PC boxes. So, if you want one, let me know, and we'll find a time to trade them over.

I'm still looking for Pokémon Y exclusives (especially Skrelp), but I am working Y up some, so I'll get those before too long. I'll also take a Timid, Adamant, or Jolly Synchronizer, a fully evolved Pokémon with Compound Eyes (I've been using Nincada for my item farming, but it loses Compound Eyes for Speed Boost when it evolves), or a female Snorlax in a Luxury Ball (not likely, I know).

Or anything you can spare. I'm getting rid of these guys anyway, so you don't exactly need to offer me a ton.

[Pike]

I don't mind the secret training, but the chances of getting a Moon Stone out of that one aren't as high as I'd like so it's all a big grind. Oh well. I'll nab 'em eventually.

[WildRaubtier]

You can also get moonstones with the Pickup ability at a medium to high level. The higher your level, the better your chance. Try breeding your starter and asking for a zigzagoon on the GTS for the 1.7x exp multiplier (+ 1.5x from a lucky egg, +1.2 from high affection in Amie, +?x from not evolving it as soon as you can.... et al).

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I'm currently being incredibly ambitious and am going to try filling the entirety of my pokedex with each language's entries. I'm not trying too hard at the moment, not until Pokebank comes out and I buy a copy of X, but I'm still putting various mons aside and would appreciate if anyone gets any goodies off the WT for me!

My rules for what pokemon I want are pretty simple:
-Unevolved mons (Oddish, Quilfish, etc.);
-Mons that evolve via trading (Machamp, Scizor, Escavalier, etc.)
-Mons that evolve via stone, other than Leaf, Water and Fire (Raichu, Delcatty, etc.)

A list of what I have so far:
Zigzagoon, Shelmet, Corphish, Conkeldurr, Geodude, Flabebe, Farfetch'd, Cloyster, Magikarp, Skrelp, Fletchling, Solrock
Foongus, Squirtle, Weedle, Poochyena, Quilfish, Dedenne, Aron, Gible
Eevee, Ralts, Litleo, Duskull, Riolu
Eevee (5/9), magnemite, ditto, oddish, shellder, staryu, sandshrew, bulbasaur, gastly, caterpie, cubine, magikarp, machop, lickitung, scyther, kabuto, venonat, slowpoke, alakazam, golem, abra, charmander, farfetch'd, houndour, mareep, smeargle, larvitar, sunkern, slugma, gligar, swinub, dunsparce, sneasel, huntail, relicanth, mawile, plusle, torkoal, torchic, anorith, lileep, wingull, shroomish, zigzagoon, electrike, ralts, meditite, kecleon, lotad, aron, volbeat, skorupi, cranidos, snowver, carnivine, gible, starly, mantyke, pachirisu, roggenrola, ferroseed, cryogonal, axew, golett, escavalier, emolga, accelgor, inkay, litleo, bergmite, dedenne, fletchling, pancham, gourgeist, noibat, chespin, froakie, tyrunt, goomy, amaura, honedge, skrelp, espurr, bunnelby
Budew, Charmander, Eevee, Machamp, Chatot
Lillipup, Skitty, Weedle, Axew, Ducklett, Clauncher, Eevee, Durant, Zigzagoon, Onix

[Skyblade]

You can also get moonstones with the Pickup ability at a medium to high level. The higher your level, the better your chance. Try breeding your starter and asking for a zigzagoon on the GTS for the 1.7x exp multiplier (+ 1.5x from a lucky egg, +1.2 from high affection in Amie, +?x from not evolving it as soon as you can.... et al).

There is no bonus for not evolving it when you can. The only benefit to doing so is that you keep the learnset of the unevolved form.

I don't even think there are any evolutions that change the Exp Curve of the Pokémon (since doing so could potentially shift the Pokémon's level upon leveling up).

There is a bonus for using a traded Pokémon, though. And it's quite possible that there is an additional bonus for using a Foreign one.


I'm currently being incredibly ambitious and am going to try filling the entirety of my pokedex with each language's entries. I'm not trying too hard at the moment, not until Pokebank comes out and I buy a copy of X, but I'm still putting various mons aside and would appreciate if anyone gets any goodies off the WT for me!

My rules for what pokemon I want are pretty simple:
-Unevolved mons (Oddish, Quilfish, etc.);
-Mons that evolve via trading (Machamp, Scizor, Escavalier, etc.)
-Mons that evolve via stone, other than Leaf, Water and Fire (Raichu, Delcatty, etc.)

A list of what I have so far:
Zigzagoon, Shelmet, Corphish, Conkeldurr, Geodude, Flabebe, Farfetch'd, Cloyster, Magikarp, Skrelp, Fletchling, Solrock
Foongus, Squirtle, Weedle, Poochyena, Quilfish, Dedenne, Aron, Gible
Eevee, Ralts, Litleo, Duskull, Riolu
Eevee (5/9), magnemite, ditto, oddish, shellder, staryu, sandshrew, bulbasaur, gastly, caterpie, cubine, magikarp, machop, lickitung, scyther, kabuto, venonat, slowpoke, alakazam, golem, abra, charmander, farfetch'd, houndour, mareep, smeargle, larvitar, sunkern, slugma, gligar, swinub, dunsparce, sneasel, huntail, relicanth, mawile, plusle, torkoal, torchic, anorith, lileep, wingull, shroomish, zigzagoon, electrike, ralts, meditite, kecleon, lotad, aron, volbeat, skorupi, cranidos, snowver, carnivine, gible, starly, mantyke, pachirisu, roggenrola, ferroseed, cryogonal, axew, golett, escavalier, emolga, accelgor, inkay, litleo, bergmite, dedenne, fletchling, pancham, gourgeist, noibat, chespin, froakie, tyrunt, goomy, amaura, honedge, skrelp, espurr, bunnelby
Budew, Charmander, Eevee, Machamp, Chatot
Lillipup, Skitty, Weedle, Axew, Ducklett, Clauncher, Eevee, Durant, Zigzagoon, Onix

That is ambitious, but you'll have to get in line. :) I can supply you with a Metal Coat for your Onix, if you want.


No one wants my spitbacks. :( I have so many lovely Pokémon I'll just have to release. Scizor is awesome, why would you guys not want a Scyther?

[Ultima Shadow]

I also still have some high IV Larvitar, Gastly, Ralts, Farfetch'd, and Absol running around, and I'm getting to the point where I'm going to want to start clearing my PC boxes. So, if you want one, let me know, and we'll find a time to trade them over.
I already got Ralts and Larvitar (and full IV+EV Gardevoir and Tyranitar) and won't be needing Farfetch'd for any of the pokemons I plan to breed. But I could take an Absol.

Also got perfect Scizor already. :greenie:

[Bunny]

No one wants my spitbacks. :( I have so many lovely Pokémon I'll just have to release. Scizor is awesome, why would you guys not want a Scyther?

I'd take a Larvitar and Gastly but don't have much in the way of trade.

I took advantage of the Pokemon Y sale from Toys R Us and pricematched it at Target. Decided to use it to do a Wonder Run. My party is:

Rotom
Deino (Was Minun but it was level 29 so I decided to let it go)
Fletchinder (Was Lombre but was 39, same as above)
Gastly
Eevee (was Sigilyph but it was 19, let it go)
Froakie

The first gym leader was a walk in the park thanks to Rotom's Thunder Bolt.

[WildRaubtier]

There is no bonus for not evolving it when you can.
You might be interested in this second section. (http://www.serebii.net/xy/exp.shtml)

[Endless]

I also still have some high IV Larvitar, Gastly, Ralts, Farfetch'd, and Absol running around, and I'm getting to the point where I'm going to want to start clearing my PC boxes. So, if you want one, let me know, and we'll find a time to trade them over.

I'm interested in a male larvitar, got a triple female with the nature I want already, so now it's all about getting a penta breeding mate, really.

I can trade you spitback quad gligars with their hidden ability (but not in luxury balls >.>)

[Shaibana]

so far ive been finding it pretty boring after the pokeleague..
ive caught all the legendary pokemon (that do not wander around).

now my objective is to challenge the pokeleague with an eeveelution team and an Mega evolution team..

problably wont do either :l i need a story to play

[Tasura]

so far ive been finding it pretty boring after the pokeleague..
ive caught all the legendary pokemon (that do not wander around).

now my objective is to challenge the pokeleague with an eeveelution team and an Mega evolution team..

problably wont do either :l i need a story to play

There's a few things to do after the E4, upgrade your Mega Ring, collect Mega Stones, and do the Looker missions. If you haven't done that yet, that's at least an hour or two of work to do.

[Skyblade]

so far ive been finding it pretty boring after the pokeleague..
ive caught all the legendary pokemon (that do not wander around).

now my objective is to challenge the pokeleague with an eeveelution team and an Mega evolution team..

problably wont do either :l i need a story to play

Honestly, I agree with you. The lackluster post-story is the worst thing about this game. While the Looker missions are good, and somewhat more difficult than the core, they're too easy, and far, far too short.

Even the main story, as dull and poorly written as it was (even for Pokémon), gave you enough engagement to get through it.

Getting my Pokémon into the Hall of Fame is pretty much the only goal left. Well, that and the Battle Maison, but that one is less compelling. You have to be at it way too long to get all the TMs and battle items. Plus, as you said, it lacks a story.

Honestly, if we get a Pokémon Z, I want GameFreak to do something truly unheard of, and just make us a new region to explore and work through a story with, using our current team. We will have Pokébank to transfer all the Pokémon from one game to another swiftly, and I really, really want a story that would be engaging and challenging for a team that has passed X and Y's endgame.

I know that they won't. But at least they could make it an option. Standard gameplay. Challenge Mode (with increased difficulty and more opposing Trainer Pokémon, á la Pokémon Black 2/White 2). Elite Mode, designed for a team that has already beaten the Elite Four. Pokémon Trainers carry Pokémon around level 60 to 70 to start with (my Rattata, it's in the top percentage of Rattatas!), and provide a challenge, that is roughly equivalent to the endgame challenges in X and Y. Heck, ideally, they'd even make some story changes there, as they discuss the new adventure that the Kalos Champion is going on. Nothing big would change, but some of the major characters (like Gym Leaders) would show up again and recognize you.

Currently I should be online the majority of Monday, and in the evenings on both Tuesday and Wednesday.



There is no bonus for not evolving it when you can.
You might be interested in this second section. (http://www.serebii.net/xy/exp.shtml)

Gotcha. There's the thing. I was testing with Pokémon who don't level up via level. Scyther evolves based on trading, Riolu evolves based on friendship level, and Eevee evolves based on every mechanic they could think of.



I'm interested in a male larvitar, got a triple female with the nature I want already, so now it's all about getting a penta breeding mate, really.

The only penta-perfect male I have to give you would have this breakdown: 31/31/31/31/31/0. So, yeah, Speed sucks. On the one hand, that can make it easy to see if the male is passing down Speed (and if you can find a way to get that Speed onto a Honedge, that's great for Aegislash, but that would be a long breeding chain, probably easier to catch one with 0 Speed).

However, I also have a few quad-perfects, though. These include breakdowns of 31/x/31/31/31/x, 31/x/31/31/31/x, 31/x/31/x/31/31, 31/31/x/x/31/31, and x/31/31/31/31/x. Let me know which one interests you (the rest are female) and I'll set it aside. Also, let me know in advance what you'll be trading me, just so that I can make sure that I don't accidently trade the one you wanted to someone else. Or you could take an unhatched egg, if you really want, I have a couple of those.


Also, I seem to only have tri-perfects of Absol left, though you're still welcome to them (Attack and Speed are the most important stats for Absol, and I can give you an Atk/Def/Spe perfect Absol).

Finally, when I looked through my Gastly, I found that my best females were ones which I had used for breeding myself. So they are around level 29 (just from Daycare no EVs). I also have a couple of quad-perfect males, though. So just let me know what you want.

Again, I should be on most of tomorrow, and the latter half of Tuesday and Wednesday, so if you want one of these, find me online then!

[Endless]

Honestly, I agree with you. The lackluster post-story is the worst thing about this game. While the Looker missions are good, and somewhat more difficult than the core, they're too easy, and far, far too short.

I found the looker story more interesting thatn the main story, personally, I'm way more attached to the girl than to Sycamore or any of the other main story characters.


The only penta-perfect male I have to give you would have this breakdown: 31/31/31/31/31/0. So, yeah, Speed sucks. On the one hand, that can make it easy to see if the male is passing down Speed (and if you can find a way to get that Speed onto a Honedge, that's great for Aegislash, but that would be a long breeding chain, probably easier to catch one with 0 Speed).

However, I also have a few quad-perfects, though. These include breakdowns of 31/x/31/31/31/x, 31/x/31/31/31/x, 31/x/31/x/31/31, 31/31/x/x/31/31, and x/31/31/31/31/x. Let me know which one interests you (the rest are female) and I'll set it aside. Also, let me know in advance what you'll be trading me, just so that I can make sure that I don't accidently trade the one you wanted to someone else. Or you could take an unhatched egg, if you really want, I have a couple of those.

Bah, I'm dumb, my right nature pupitar is only a double, not a triple. Anyway, what I'm looking for a is a careful or better, a sassy one, and at the moment I have a careful with two IVs, and two wrong nature males with triple ; low speed isn't an issue.



Again, I should be on most of tomorrow, and the latter half of Tuesday and Wednesday, so if you want one of these, find me online then!

I won't be available most of monday, might have more chance tuesday or wednesday (in my evenings).

[Shaibana]

so.. where can i find this Looker story?

edit: can some1 help me? for eevee to evolve in Sylveon (fairy) it required 2 hearts and an fairy move..
but the problem is that i cant teach eevee any fairy moves.. how do i do this?

[Denmark]

Eevee learns Baby-Doll Eyes at level 9 and Charm at level 29, both of which are Fairy-type.

[Tasura]

so.. where can i find this Looker story?

edit: can some1 help me? for eevee to evolve in Sylveon (fairy) it required 2 hearts and an fairy move..
but the problem is that i cant teach eevee any fairy moves.. how do i do this?

Eevee learns Baby-Doll Eyes at level 9, and if your Eevee i above 9, just got o the move relearner and relearn it.

And as for the Looker Missions, you first need to upgrade your Mega Ring, you do this by going to Kiloude and winning 1 fight int he Maison, then going up the hill behind it and beating your rival, then doing what she/he tells you do, which if I remember, is going to talk to Sycamore near the giant sundial, after this is done your Meg aring will be upgraded, which lets you find the other non-story Mega Stones on the ground in certain locations at a certain time of day, and the next time you go to the main city you'll get a holocast from Looker which starts the missions.

[Skyblade]

And as for the Looker Missions, you first need to upgrade your Mega Ring, you do this by going to Kiloude and winning 1 fight int he Maison, then going up the hill behind it and beating your rival, then doing what she/he tells you do, which if I remember, is going to talk to Sycamore near the giant sundial, after this is done your Meg aring will be upgraded, which lets you find the other non-story Mega Stones on the ground in certain locations at a certain time of day, and the next time you go to the main city you'll get a holocast from Looker which starts the missions.

I don't know why they decided to tie starting all the postgame content to a win in the Battle Maison. Especially with nothing in the game indicating the need to do that, nor with any indication after the win that anything has changed or that there is further content to explore.

[Shaibana]

Ok, thanks everyone ^^

i did notice i had 1 eevee with baby doll eyes, but i evolve it already into a Flareon.
i do want to get an Jolteon, but i dont have any stones anymore.. and when i search on the web i only find very difficult ways to get one

if anyone has a spare Thunderstone ur willing to give away, i would be forever gratefull (a)

to lvl 29 it is ^^

[Skyblade]

Ok, thanks everyone ^^

i did notice i had 1 eevee with baby doll eyes, but i evolve it already into a Flareon.
i do want to get an Jolteon, but i dont have any stones anymore.. and when i search on the web i only find very difficult ways to get one

if anyone has a spare Thunderstone ur willing to give away, i would be forever gratefull (a)

to lvl 29 it is ^^

You can buy them in Lumiose City from the Stone Emporium. Just go up to the counter. I mean, sure, you can also find them in Secret Super Training, or a couple other ways, but I think the Stone Emporium is easier.

But if you can't find them there, just let me know and I'll trade you one.

[Tasura]

Ok, thanks everyone ^^

i did notice i had 1 eevee with baby doll eyes, but i evolve it already into a Flareon.
i do want to get an Jolteon, but i dont have any stones anymore.. and when i search on the web i only find very difficult ways to get one

if anyone has a spare Thunderstone ur willing to give away, i would be forever gratefull (a)

to lvl 29 it is ^^

You can buy them in Lumiose City from the Stone Emporium. Just go up to the counter. I mean, sure, you can also find them in Secret Super Training, or a couple other ways, but I think the Stone Emporium is easier.

But if you can't find them there, just let me know and I'll trade you one.

It's only Water, Leaf and Fire that can be bought in the Stone Emporium, Thunder can't. However there are 2 Thunder Stones on the ground (one on Route 10, one on Route 11[Hidden]) and its possible to get one from your daily fight with Psychic Inver on Route 18.

[Shaibana]

ill first check those stones on the routes, i believe i have found 1 already, so there has to be another one.
ty skyblade :D ill let you know if i found one

the psychic inver is a bit of a long shot since the change of getting the exact stone that i need is 1/40? something like that

edit: ive found a thunderstone and now have a Jolteon ^^
i finaly have my dream team :P Flareon, jolteon, vaporeon, glaceon, sylveon and leafeon.. too bad you cant have 8

[Skyblade]

It's only Water, Leaf and Fire that can be bought in the Stone Emporium, Thunder can't. However there are 2 Thunder Stones on the ground (one on Route 10, one on Route 11[Hidden]) and its possible to get one from your daily fight with Psychic Inver on Route 18.

Whoops. I knew it was only three, and I thought they were Fire, Water, and Thunder (the Eevee stones). My bad.

I usually just get them from Secret Super Training anyway.


Also, Vivillon is the best butterfly in the game. Decent stats, an awesome move pool, and Compound Eyes. Sleep Powder (learnable with a Heart Scale as soon as it evolves to Vivillon) becomes 98% accurate. Hurricane (learned at level 50) becomes 91% accurate, even when it's not in the rain. And Vivillon learns Quiver Dance (level 45). Vivillon is one of the fastest reliable Sleep Inducers in the game, faster than every Spore user (the next fastest is Smeargle, which is slower by 14 base Speed points). Run a Timid Nature to help outspeed things, and hit opponents with Sleep Powder on the first turn. Then Quiver Dance up, and start spamming STAB Hurricane. Fill in with a coverage move of your choice (or Substitute, if you'd like a little safety for building up multiple Quiver Dances, since nothing is immune to Flying). Oh, and if you're playing in the Battle Maison, remember that the opponents almost never switch out before a KO, and there is nothing to keep you from spamming Quiver Dance over and over, or each time you KO an opponent by simply inducing Sleep again.

[Shaibana]

ooh man, i google-image'd Eeveelution and find so many fanmade other types, like steel, dragon, ghost etc.. <3

[Shiny]

Why is Mawlie so hard to catch? Stop evading my poke balls damn you!

[WildRaubtier]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4E_MScTXuo

[Shaibana]

how in the hell does he remember that song? :D genius
i actually watched it all the wy to the end

[Hipster Username]

Beheeyem needs more love. I can't even use on until Pokébank comes out.

[Skyblade]

how in the hell does he remember that song? :D genius
i actually watched it all the wy to the end

My guess is that the piano has a lyric display, a line at a time, where sheet music usually sits. I've seen several with electronic displays like that. If so, then it is merely a matter of practicing enough to get the connections and be able to pull it from a quick reference, which isn't too hard.

[Botchmun]

49090
Bite the pillow, I'm going in dry!

Holy balls do I like pokemon Y. Haven't got X because when I was looking at the line-ups I really, really wanted Skrelp. So far the game has been kind to me, rewarding me with a great team and allowing me to use super-training to sculpt the team I wanted. I never mess around with IVs 'cuz I'm not that guy.. but being able to custom-set EVs is an absolute godsend!

I like a lot of the new pokes introduced and a lot of the new moves, and I recall my friends and I all becoming hilariously uncomfortable whenever the move 'trick or treat' was used. "you just gave that pokemon ghost type... by taking it out for a night of spooky fun?" "Did you just kill it so you can make shadowball super effective?" "gourgiest 2spoopy4me" Originally I was apprehensive of a lot of new features like the exp. all 2.0 and the lollerskates, but both grew on me real fast. I'm one of those monsters who's team is a whole box you keep rotating in and out of use based on area, gym, feels, and position of the moon during the day, so having the option to power everyone up to such a huge degree really helped.

Also I went Chespin because of the porn my love for grass types, and Chesnaught hasn't disappointed me yet.

[Depression Moon]

On Thanksgiving I got the chance to play this. Played my lil cousin's profile and he was at the end so I just beat the Elite 4 and the champion. Even though I only played like the last hour of that game it didn't feel like it's worthy of a purchase. The combat didn't really feel any different from Emerald and the only new thing I noticed was the mega transformations.

[Shaibana]

hi..
my pokemon game wont connect to the internet.
it keeps talking about an update in the E-shop.
but when i go there i cant find anything, and when i update in the settings of the console it says its up to date...

does anyone know?

[Skyblade]

hi..
my pokemon game wont connect to the internet.
it keeps talking about an update in the E-shop.
but when i go there i cant find anything, and when i update in the settings of the console it says its up to date...

does anyone know?

Seach E-Shop for "Pokémon X" (or Y). Under the list of things that pop up should be the full downloadable games, a ton of trailers, and the 1.2 updates. Select the 1.2 update, purchase it (for free), then download it.

[Skyblade]

Something I stumbled across while browsing webcomics:

Dorkly has been collecting fan art of Pokémon fustions. (http://www.dorkly.com/article/57579/the-best-pokemon-fusions-on-the-internet-part-3/page:3) More. (http://www.dorkly.com/article/52200/incredible-pokemon-fusions/page:4) Still more. (http://www.dorkly.com/article/55263/more-pokemon-fusion-fan-art/page:4)

While some are definitely better than others, I'm really enjoying a lot of these pieces of artwork.

49371

Crobat + Scizor. Because regular Scizor just isn't awesome enough, apparently.

Plus, Dorkly has been kind enough to include the sources, and on a couple of those, you can find pages and pages of the artist's other fusion works. What Pokémon fusion would you create?

[Jinx]

49373

[Shaibana]

that so cool, i love it when they draw out those fusion! <3

[Pike]

Who here is getting Pokémon Bank?

I wasn't really thinking of it before since it's not like I have any Pokies to transfer over (seeing as X&Y was my first since 3rd gen) but now I'm being tempted by the Celebi.

[Nicolas]

Who here is getting Pokémon Bank?

I wasn't really thinking of it before since it's not like I have any Pokies to transfer over (seeing as X&Y was my first since 3rd gen) but now I'm being tempted by the Celebi.

I know I'm going to be one of those people. The main reason is to finally have all the pokemon. So I'm going through all of the 4th and 5th Gen games to catch what isn't already in X/Y. Celebi is a great touch too. So is the fact that it's only $5 a year.

[Botchmun]

I know a few people who will, I'm one of them.

[Endless]

Who here is getting Pokémon Bank?

I wasn't really thinking of it before since it's not like I have any Pokies to transfer over (seeing as X&Y was my first since 3rd gen) but now I'm being tempted by the Celebi.

Take advantage of the free trial period: free Celebi and free bank in january ;)

The one huge downside of the bank is that items cannot be stored in it (http://www.pokemonbank.com/en-us/faq/), which blocks all the exclusive megastones (and all the BP earned stuff too) from easily being transfered ; you'll have to rely on a friend for that.

[Tasura]

Who here is getting Pokémon Bank?

I wasn't really thinking of it before since it's not like I have any Pokies to transfer over (seeing as X&Y was my first since 3rd gen) but now I'm being tempted by the Celebi.

I know I'm going to be one of those people. The main reason is to finally have all the pokemon. So I'm going through all of the 4th and 5th Gen games to catch what isn't already in X/Y. Celebi is a great touch too. So is the fact that it's only $5 a year.

This.

[Pike]

I'm working on completing my Pokedex but since I haven't played D/P/P or B/W and have nothing to transfer I'm going through the trading route. I've been breeding Arons as currency and those things trade like hotcakes. :D

[WildRaubtier]

Arons probably have nothing on Shroomish. I was putting those up for quite literally anything other than legendaries a while ago and they'd still be gone 5 minutes later.

How about that PokeBank delay, huh.

[Ultima Shadow]

I traded a nearly perfect Larvitar for a Feebas, then started breeding Feebas and traded Feebas for Cottenee, Misdreavus and Mudkip. Currently trying to figure out what other pokemons I feel I need.

[Pike]

Looking for a Goomy with the Gooey ability.

[Endless]

If you want, I should be able to find a gooey Sliggoo since I have a access to a fsz with them, after that you can breed goomies with gooey by yourself.

Edit: also I'm looking for Articuno and Xerneas' dex entries. I should be able to complete my mountain/coastal dexes by tomorrow, excepot for those two I don't have access to.

[Pike]

If you want, I should be able to find a gooey Sliggoo since I have a access to a fsz with them, after that you can breed goomies with gooey by yourself.

Edit: also I'm looking for Articuno and Xerneas' dex entries. I should be able to complete my mountain/coastal dexes by tomorrow, excepot for those two I don't have access to.

If you could snag me a gooey Sliggoo that would be pretty great! In return I have a Xerneas you can borrow for the dex entry... just give him back once you've got it :)

[Fynn]

We already have a Pokemon X/Y thread but 1) it's old and 2) we need one exclusively for friendcodes so that we can connect like the big happy EoFF family that we are :D

Here's mine: 5343 - 9356 - 0497. My name is Patryk and I look forward to trading and battling with you guys ;)

[Endless]

We have better : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnUkyryjWsaZdHZWNEZCa2VaUjBka3BTYnJLNXZ0WVE&usp=sharing

[Fynn]

Thanks a ton, endless :D

[Endless]

You should also post in the main X/Y thread : http://home.eyesonff.com/general-gaming-discussion/152412-pok-mon-x-y-post-launch-discussion-thread-aka-jinx-upset.html

It's still active, and people still check it.

[Fynn]

Alright, people! I'm joining in :D I'm still just beginning, though, so I don't know what friend safari stats I have, and I'm still pretty weak. Anyway, my 3DS name is Patryk and here's my code: 5343 - 9356 - 0497. Looking forward to playing with you guys :)

[Shauna]

I just went ahead and merged the threads. :)

[Dat Matt]

I have recently started playing Pokemon Y again with the intent to catch them all and have a collection of each pokemon. I may post updates of my progress if people are interested. I am nearly finished with generation 1 but I am missing Aritcuno, Moltres and Mew for my collection.

If people are looking for eggs, feel free to ask. Currently have access to:

All Generation 1
All Generation 6
Generation 2 and 3 starters pokemon.

Let the quest begin...

[Jinx]

MUDKIP?

[Endless]

MUDKIP?

I can breed all the starters and normal that are bank-only (except unbreedable stuff like unown and item requiring mons like munchlax)

[Dat Matt]

Yeah, I can get a mudkip egg. :3

[Pike]

I've got myself a ton of bank Pokies already. Mudkip, Cyndaquil, Snivy, etc. Having fun training them all right now :jess:

[Dat Matt]

FIlling up this pokedex is super easy with GTS and pokebank. Currently working through Gen 2.

[Jinx]

MUDKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP

[NorthernChaosGod]

I just got Pokemon Y as a gift today. :D

Would anyone be willing to trade the Charizardite X for a Charizardite Y later on? :3

[Sir Lancealot]

Just got the fifth badge. My 3DS name is Blue Bean, and my code is 4656 - 7251 - 1464.

[Pike]

do you guys see THIS (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2014/01/140117_p02.html?a001=news)

I need this Goomy like right now

[Dat Matt]

I just got Pokemon Y as a gift today. :D

Would anyone be willing to trade the Charizardite X for a Charizardite Y later on? :3

I see you too want the cool charizard evolution. I have Y but feel that Charizard X is cooler.


Side note - Pokedex Completion is about 600+ just now. Getting close to the end.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I just got Pokemon Y as a gift today. :D

Would anyone be willing to trade the Charizardite X for a Charizardite Y later on? :3

I see you too want the cool charizard evolution. I have Y but feel that Charizard X is cooler.

Yeah, I was super excited to hear about Charizard gaining dragon type. Now I just need to find someone willing to trade. :/

[Shiny]

We have better : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnUkyryjWsaZdHZWNEZCa2VaUjBka3BTYnJLNXZ0WVE&usp=sharing

This is glorious. I am adding myself to that, please feel free to add me as I will be adding all of you!

3DS Name: Shiny
Friend code: 3325 - 2861 - 5720
Type: Electric


Also I totally have a mudkip if anyone wants me to breed it.

[Pike]

I just got Pokemon Y as a gift today. :D

Would anyone be willing to trade the Charizardite X for a Charizardite Y later on? :3

I see you too want the cool charizard evolution. I have Y but feel that Charizard X is cooler.

Yeah, I was super excited to hear about Charizard gaining dragon type. Now I just need to find someone willing to trade. :/

I'm super happy because before Huxley restarted his game a little while back he gave me all of his stuff so now I've got X and Y for both Charizard and Mewtwo and I've also got both Xerneas and Yveltal. I've also got two Lucky Eggs and all sorts of great stuff :love:

[Ultima Shadow]

Yeah, I was super excited to hear about Charizard gaining dragon type. Now I just need to find someone willing to trade. :/


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"If you can actually defeat my team,
I will consider the trade as a reward."










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia3.png
"Hold on! Who gave you the right to decide that?"
"Do you have any idea how hard I worked to get
that perfect Charizard for the Charizardite X?"









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia3.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"Are you seriously implying that I would lose?
My sole goal here is to give him a faint false
hope, only so I can then cause him despair!"









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio3b.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia5-1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel6.png
"Oh, right! Speaking of despair... I just
traded our Xeneras for a Wobuffet.
Because... Wynaut? Get it?"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel5.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia5-1.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio5.png
"YOU DID WHAT?"
"YOU ARE SO DEAD!"

[Skyblade]

Why is there still no Pokémon Bank?!

[NorthernChaosGod]

I just got Pokemon Y as a gift today. :D

Would anyone be willing to trade the Charizardite X for a Charizardite Y later on? :3

I see you too want the cool charizard evolution. I have Y but feel that Charizard X is cooler.

Yeah, I was super excited to hear about Charizard gaining dragon type. Now I just need to find someone willing to trade. :/

I'm super happy because before Huxley restarted his game a little while back he gave me all of his stuff so now I've got X and Y for both Charizard and Mewtwo and I've also got both Xerneas and Yveltal. I've also got two Lucky Eggs and all sorts of great stuff :love:
Way to rub it in, Pikebot. :cry:





Yeah, I was super excited to hear about Charizard gaining dragon type. Now I just need to find someone willing to trade. :/


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"If you can actually defeat my team,
I will consider the trade as a reward."
That's not happening anytime soon. My team is only around level 30. :(

[Ultima Shadow]

That's not happening anytime soon. My team is only around level 30. :(


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Levels, by themselves, are not a problem.
When battling with the normal rules, all
pokemons are automatically set to level 50.
You only need higher levels for specific
moves and evolutions. The real problem
is building a decent team, and being able
to mentally endure Bernkastel's team.
Because that team, while not the most
efficient out there, will get on your nerves."












http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari2.png
"Of course... this will still take quite a while.
But your number of attempts are not limited
and Bern's team will remain the same."












http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Hey... what does Bern's team
actually look like anyway?"












http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari2.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel6.png
"Voila~"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/trainercard-Bernkastel.png












http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"...forget I even asked."
"Actually, my real team is different. Six
Wobbuffets are only the best if they face
another team that looks exactly the same."

[NorthernChaosGod]

That's not happening anytime soon. My team is only around level 30. :(


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Levels, by themselves, are not a problem.
When battling with the normal rules, all
pokemons are automatically set to level 50.
You only need higher levels for specific
moves and evolutions. The real problem
is building a decent team, and being able
to mentally endure Bernkastel's team.
Because that team, while not the most
efficient out there, will get on your nerves."

1. That Wobbuffet team would be ridiculous.
2. I didn't know about the leveling to 50 thing
3. Yeah, the moves are a problem. My Alakazam doesn't even have Psychic yet.

[Skyblade]

That's not happening anytime soon. My team is only around level 30. :(


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Levels, by themselves, are not a problem.
When battling with the normal rules, all
pokemons are automatically set to level 50.
You only need higher levels for specific
moves and evolutions. The real problem
is building a decent team, and being able
to mentally endure Bernkastel's team.
Because that team, while not the most
efficient out there, will get on your nerves."

1. That Wobbuffet team would be ridiculous.
2. I didn't know about the leveling to 50 thing
3. Yeah, the moves are a problem. My Alakazam doesn't even have Psychic yet.

TMs are your best friend. Psychic and Psyshock are both available that way.

I'm still waiting for Pokémon Bank.

[Shaibana]

i kind of feel like im done with this game. i havent played it in a month or 2.
but i still have some goals i want to succeed!

besides there is still a mission i can do.

and i still want to win the pokeleague with my eeveelution team :3

[Pike]

I have legit played this game every single day, for at least an hour, since release with maybe a handful of days as exceptions. Love it so much.

Also I hear Pokemon Bank is back up in "certain Asian countries" so maybe that bodes well for the future? (Probably not, but.)

[WildRaubtier]

Ehhhh a six wobbuffet team isnt actually that scary, all you need is one decent setup mon that's faster and boom 6-0

[NorthernChaosGod]

That's not happening anytime soon. My team is only around level 30. :(


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Levels, by themselves, are not a problem.
When battling with the normal rules, all
pokemons are automatically set to level 50.
You only need higher levels for specific
moves and evolutions. The real problem
is building a decent team, and being able
to mentally endure Bernkastel's team.
Because that team, while not the most
efficient out there, will get on your nerves."

1. That Wobbuffet team would be ridiculous.
2. I didn't know about the leveling to 50 thing
3. Yeah, the moves are a problem. My Alakazam doesn't even have Psychic yet.

TMs are your best friend. Psychic and Psyshock are both available that way.

I'm still waiting for Pokémon Bank.

But Alakazam learns Psychic on its own.

[Ultima Shadow]

Ehhhh a six wobbuffet team isnt actually that scary, all you need is one decent setup mon that's faster and boom 6-0


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel6.png
"Yes, sadly. Hence why my actual team
looks different. But sometimes, I like to
put six wobbuffets against six wobbuffets
myself and pretend that one of the teams
belong to someone else and that I'm
causing that person unbearable suffering."












http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"That's just sad beyond words."
"I haven't done enough horrible things lately.
It slightly linders my abstinence for evil doing."

[Pike]

Finally leveling one of those sword Pokemon and gotta say, I love it. I love the design, too. I don't even care if it's silly that it's a sword. It's AWESOME.

[Agent Proto]

Honedge and its evolution-stages are indeed awesome. :D

[Dat Matt]

Ageislash was a staple for my pre-national dex team. After I opened up more he was no longer a powerhouse but a "Flase swiper" as he was my main capture pokemon. Worked out pretty well actually.

Talonflame entered my party for the same sort of reasons, he was egg hatcher / Fly. Super useful.

[Pike]

Yeah, I started leveling Honedge for False Swipe purposes. Turning into a great investment!

[Del Murder]

Aegislash is a beast. Mine destroys everything. Definitely my favorite of the new additions.

[Ultima Shadow]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia1.png
"Looks like the pokebank
is finally out in Europe!"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia3.png
"...should I rejoice that I can
finally complete my team, or
should I be upset that the
european pokefans are no longer
being tormented by its absence?"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/rydia3.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Rider4b-1.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel6.png
"The americans still get to
suffer a bit longer though."
"Ah, yes. I suppose I can
be content with that."

[Skyblade]

Yep. Still waiting. It's been over a month. No sign of it. Moved on to bigger and better games (like A Link Between Worlds).

If it doesn't come out before Bravely Default, I may not even wind up getting it, since that would mean putting down Bravely Default long enough to open the Nintendo Shop.

[Shaibana]

so.. what is the pokebank?

[Jinx]

A place where Pokemon go to deposit and withdraw their Poke-yen.

[Dat Matt]

It's an online storage space that allows for up to 3000 stored pokemon. It also allows for the trade of pokemon from older games into X and Y.

It also gives you a Celebi for free.

[Tasura]

Bank is out in NA today~.

[Pike]

Bank is out in NA today~.

:eek:

[NorthernChaosGod]

Yesssss. Now I have my free Celebi. :D

[Botchmun]

Already got my first error with pokebank, it cannot handle an entire box of slowkings.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I now have Pokerus. I'm currently infecting all my good Pokemon, but after I'm willing to trade to give it to you guys too. Preference for Pokes that cannot be gotten in Y, like X exclusives and any legendaries. Any members of the Fennekin, Chespin, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur families too.

[Pumpkin]

I got this game yesterday and I just beat the first gym leader :jess:

/always late to the party

[Shaibana]

Shion, what pokemons do you have in your party? :D

[Dat Matt]

Now that bank is live I am working through all the old games. I'll need to start trading for the event legendaries soon which is gonna be lame.

[Shaibana]

can i add you people in my friend list? :3
my code is 2122-6914-9713

[Pumpkin]

Shion, what pokemons do you have in your party? :D

These are the Pokemon I have so far:

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/x-y/pixel/fennekin.pngFennekin: Finn, Fire, Male, Quiet, Highly Persistant
http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/pidgey.png Pidgey: Paula, Normal/Flying, Female, Calm, Likes to Fight
http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/zigzagoon.png Zigzagoon: Ziggy, Normal, Male, Naughty, Proud of its Power

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/panpour.pngPanpour: Patrick, Water, Male, Bashful, Strong Willed

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/pikachu.pngPikachu: Peter, Electric, Male, Naughty, Mischievous

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/azurill.pngAzurill: Azalia, Water, Female, Bold, Capable of Taking Hits

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/x-y/pixel/litleo.pngLitleo: Lyla, Fire/Normal, Female, Sassy, Proud of its Power

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/riolu.pngRiolu: Riley, Fightning, Male, Sassy, Likes to Thrash About

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/ralts.pngRalts: Reina, Psychic/Fairy, Female, Impish, Takes Plenty of Siestas

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/skitty.pngSkitty: Kat, Normal, Female, Bold, Loves to Eat

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/normal/squirtle.pngSquirtle: Samantha, Female, Careful, Mischievous


Also, my friend code is 0404-7554-8374, if anyone wants to add me :jess:

[Shaibana]

that Litleo would get more impressive if it were a male :3

[NorthernChaosGod]

Is Pokerus not a big deal anymore or something? :(

[WildRaubtier]

nop

[Dat Matt]

Is Pokerus not a big deal anymore or something? :(

From what I know, pokerus doubled the EVs of pokemon via battle. Now with the super training you can EV train pokemon quickly and without error. Pokerus is still good, but there are now more effecive ways to do it.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Super Training is booooring. But okay.jpg

[Shaibana]

ive added you, Shion ^^

[Ultima Shadow]

Pokerus + Horde encounters is the fastest way to EV train if you want to max out a stat or two. Super Training is for when you want very precise EV spreads (like 64 in one stat and 188 in another etc). Even if I want something like 132, 126, 252 though, I usually just use supertraining for, say, the 126 stat, then I max out the 252 stat with pokerus + horde encounters and then I do the same to fill out the remaining stat. So pokerus is certainly still very relevant for hardcore EV-trainers.

Actually getting pokerus is probably not a big deal anymore because most people who want it already have it though, more or less. :p







Preference for Pokes that cannot be gotten in Y, like X exclusives and any legendaries. Any members of the Fennekin, Chespin, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur families too.



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio1.png
"Hmmm, I think we have plenty
of Charmanders, Froakies and
Fennekins to spare. So we
can give you some of those."










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.png
"You intend to just give them away?
That's disgusting. You have to make
it the reward of a hopeless struggle
or something. I mean... what would
the world look like if everyone just
helped each other out for free?"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel3.png
"...it would be a much happier
place, free from pointless conflicts?"
"Exactly. Absolutely disgusting."









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari2.png
"How about you make your own 'gyms' then.
Everyone picks a 'theme' and three pokemons
that fit that theme. If NCG or anyone else can
beat a gym, there will be a reward."









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio1.png
"Seems like a lot of trouble just to
trade some starters... but I kinda
like the idea though. It does sound
like fun. I'll go inform the others."







---------------------------------------







http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio7.png
"Alright! So, this is what we've decided on!"







Mio - "Awesome Swords Dance Sweeps with Steel and Fire" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Charmander and Skarmory with egg moves.



Rydia - "Super Special Fairies Summoning a Dragon" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Dratini with Marvel Scale and a 5IV Timid Ralts.




Rider - "Dark Ninja Dragons Gotta Go Fast" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Hidden Ability Froakie and Gible.




KOS-MOS - "100% Bulky Steel and Water" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Squirtle and Feebas.



First-gym bonus: Fennekin.









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"Wow... those gym names are
actually so terrible they could even
make an eldritch abomination break
down in tears of disbelief."

[Endless]

Also, my friend code is 0404-7554-8374, if anyone wants to add me :jess:

I added you. Also check this (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnUkyryjWsaZdHZWNEZCa2VaUjBka3BTYnJLNXZ0WVE&usp=sharing).

[Skyblade]

shion, I registered you on my main system (1547-6378-0895). I'm planning on doing a system transfer of it to my 3DS XL, so that will mean my secondary Friend Code will change, so don't bother with it.

Remember to friend back everyone who friends you. :)

[NorthernChaosGod]

Pokerus + Horde encounters is the fastest way to EV train if you want to max out a stat or two. Super Training is for when you want very precise EV spreads (like 64 in one stat and 188 in another etc). Even if I want something like 132, 126, 252 though, I usually just use supertraining for, say, the 126 stat, then I max out the 252 stat with pokerus + horde encounters and then I do the same to fill out the remaining stat. So pokerus is certainly still very relevant for hardcore EV-trainers.

Actually getting pokerus is probably not a big deal anymore because most people who want it already have it though, more or less. :p







Preference for Pokes that cannot be gotten in Y, like X exclusives and any legendaries. Any members of the Fennekin, Chespin, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur families too.



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio1.png
"Hmmm, I think we have plenty
of Charmanders, Froakies and
Fennekins to spare. So we
can give you some of those."










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.png
"You intend to just give them away?
That's disgusting. You have to make
it the reward of a hopeless struggle
or something. I mean... what would
the world look like if everyone just
helped each other out for free?"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel3.png
"...it would be a much happier
place, free from pointless conflicts?"
"Exactly. Absolutely disgusting."









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari2.png
"How about you make your own 'gyms' then.
Everyone picks a 'theme' and three pokemons
that fit that theme. If NCG or anyone else can
beat a gym, there will be a reward."









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio1.png
"Seems like a lot of trouble just to
trade some starters... but I kinda
like the idea though. It does sound
like fun. I'll go inform the others."







---------------------------------------







http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio7.png
"Alright! So, this is what we've decided on!"







Mio - "Awesome Swords Dance Sweeps with Steel and Fire" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Charmander and Skarmory with egg moves.



Rydia - "Super Special Fairies Summoning a Dragon" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Dratini with Marvel Scale and a 5IV Timid Ralts.




Rider - "Dark Ninja Dragons Gotta Go Fast" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Hidden Ability Froakie and Gible.




KOS-MOS - "100% Bulky Steel and Water" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Squirtle and Feebas.



First-gym bonus: Fennekin.









http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"Wow... those gym names are
actually so terrible they probably even
make an eldritch abomination break
down in tears of disbelief."
I'll take you on that offer.

[Shaibana]

ow ow! add me too everyone :D
2122-6914-9713, Shaibana

p.s isnt it a bit confusing that you have to name the person yrself that you have added?

ps.ps. can i be added to that list? :o

[Ultima Shadow]

I'll take you on that offer.


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"Hmmm, I might add one of my own.
I will be using four pokemons though
and my Gym will be known as the
'Despair Gym'. If you win, feel free to
take a shiny Trevenant or something.
But... don't expect me to show mercy."

[Dat Matt]

p.s isnt it a bit confusing that you have to name the person yrself that you have added?

This only applies to the person adding first. If you just name it something the "AAAAAA" Then then he second person registers the name comes through automatically.

[Shaibana]

does anyone know how to catch Articuno?
i have randomly encountered Articuno 2x, but even before you are able to select anything it already flies of!

[Tasura]

does anyone know how to catch Articuno?
i have randomly encountered Articuno 2x, but even before you are able to select anything it already flies of!

You need to encounter it 12 times, then it'll fly to Sea Spirit's Den where it'll stay so you can attempt to catch it.

[Skyblade]

Mio - "Awesome Swords Dance Sweeps with Steel and Fire" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Charmander and Skarmory with egg moves.



Rydia - "Super Special Fairies Summoning a Dragon" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Dratini with Marvel Scale and a 5IV Timid Ralts.




Rider - "Dark Ninja Dragons Gotta Go Fast" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Hidden Ability Froakie and Gible.




KOS-MOS - "100% Bulky Steel and Water" Gym.

Reward: 4IV Squirtle and Feebas.



First-gym bonus: Fennekin.

Names for your gyms:

Blazing Sword Gym
Faedragon Gym
Ryuu Shinobi Gym
Rust Gym

[Jinx]

SHION NAMED HER SQUIRTLE AFTER ME :3

[Pumpkin]

SHION NAMED HER SQUIRTLE AFTER ME :3

Yes. Yes that is exactly what it was. It certainly wasn't my habit of naming Pokemon names that start with the same letters as their Pokemon name, and Samantha being the only name I could think of that I hadn't used yet. Wasn't that at all :shifty:

[Skyblade]

SHION NAMED HER SQUIRTLE AFTER ME :3

Yes. Yes that is exactly what it was. It certainly wasn't my habit of naming Pokemon names that start with the same letters as their Pokemon name, and Samantha being the only name I could think of that I hadn't used yet. Wasn't that at all :shifty:

So is the name going to change when it becomes a Wartortle or a Blastoise?

[Pumpkin]

So is the name going to change when it becomes a Wartortle or a Blastoise?

No, I'm not that good at planning ahead. And it already is a Wartortle ;__;

[Fynn]

And your Fennekin's name is Finn and Panpour's name is Patrick! That's, like, both of them are me if you change the "is" into "ys" :D

[Ultima Shadow]

Names for your gyms:

Blazing Sword Gym
Faedragon Gym
Ryuu Shinobi Gym
Rust Gym

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Riderb-1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"See, dimwits? Was it really that hard to
think of some gym names that don't
sound like a severely bugged random
word generator came up with them?"










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel1.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Mio4.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Rider4b-1.png
"...actually, Mio came up with
all of the former names and
didn't ask for our opinions."










http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Riderb-1.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/mio2y.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel2.png
"Well sorry for being creative!"
"...you mean 'pathetic'?"

[Shaibana]

i have fulfilled my goal..
i have defeated the Pokeleague with my Eeveelution team, im so proud o them :')

now im going to make another awesome team

[Shaibana]

why is this dead? :P
does nayone have a growlith thatb you are willing to trade? :D
i know i can get in in the safari, but i dont have any friends with a fire-safari zone thing :(

[Tasura]

It's dead because 90% of the people who were actively posting have finished the game, a long time ago at that =P.

[Shauna]

why is this dead? :P
does nayone have a growlith thatb you are willing to trade? :D
i know i can get in in the safari, but i dont have any friends with a fire-safari zone thing :(

Bother Mr. Shauna, he could breed you a Growlithe.

[Skyblade]

It's dead because 90% of the people who were actively posting have finished the game, a long time ago at that =P.

Basically this. The game has no replay value, and no worthwhile endgame, so once finished , it just gets put aside and forgotten about.

[Ultima Shadow]

Basically this. The game has no replay value, and no worthwhile endgame, so once finished , it just gets put aside and forgotten about.
Except for the Wi-Fi/PvP battles which are, in fact, pretty darn awesome and by far the best out all the gens.

But if you're not into that kind of stuff, then yeah... there's not much else.

I still play the game from time to time for the PvP though.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I've been busy with school/work lately and haven't had much time to play games at all.

I need more Pokemon in my life. :(

[Shaibana]

It's dead because 90% of the people who were actively posting have finished the game, a long time ago at that =P.

Basically this. The game has no replay value, and no worthwhile endgame, so once finished , it just gets put aside and forgotten about.

yeah ia gree, after finishing it ive put it aside for a while too.
but then ´forced´ myself in finaly finishing that eeveelution team ^^ and the (boring) looker missions :l

now im raising another team for the elite 4


ill knock on mr.shauna's door :D
p.s i cant find him, does he have a different name here? anyone have a link to his profile?

[Dat Matt]

Shaibana, I can get you anything that makes eggs. One of the perks for finishing the dex.

[Shaibana]

if you would have a Growlith for me, i would really apreciate that (a)
i dont have anything special in my box in return :o but im willing to make an efford

[Dat Matt]

Just something common like a pidgey would do fine. I'll make one just now. I don't know if I have you on my friends list do I?

[Agent Proto]

yeah ia gree, after finishing it ive put it aside for a while too.
but then ´forced´ myself in finaly finishing that eeveelution team ^^ and the (boring) looker missions :l


The Looker missions were not boring. It was not put together good and was pretty short. But it was not boring. Probably my favorite post game event in the game. xD

[Shaibana]

Just something common like a pidgey would do fine. I'll make one just now. I don't know if I have you on my friends list do I?

not yet. i have added everybody from a list i got a view weeks ago but only a view have added me in return

[Dat Matt]

That's the bad thing about friends codes, the other player needs to add you to their friendlist.

Friendcode is 1032-1218-3907.

[Shaibana]

it seems ive already added you ^^
my nr: 2122-6914-9713

[Dat Matt]

Right, that's me added you. I'll be available for the next 6 hours, so just say when you're available and you can get your ultra cool growlithe.

[Fynn]

Alright, I beat the champion about a week ago and am now ready to get back to it.

I've set myself two goals. I want to finally become a Pokemon master, just like I always wanted back in elementary school.

Goal #1: I want to collect all the Pokemon. Thanks to the Internet, that may finally be possible for me :D
Goal #2: I want to finally be competitive in online play. I never really got the meta game much. But now that everything has become so streamlined, I guess I may actually have a chance. If anyone has any tips to give me on that, I would be glad to hear that :) Seriously, I have no idea about competitive battling. I know what IVs and EVs are, but any guides I find are not helpful because they look like they're written in some language understood by those already in the know. How do I even get started with this? I know there's a lot of breeding involved.

As a side goal, I want to make lots of friends through competitive battling. Essentially, I finally have a chance to live the dream my 11-year-old self had :)

[Dat Matt]

Catching all the Pokemon is a time consuming process in this game mostly because there are 718 of them. When I went through the game, I got everything I possibly could from the GTS before Pokemon bank was released. People in Japan had access to the bank, and Shauna found a Piplup on the wonder trade around New Year. I used that Piplup to make eggs and trade for anything I was missing. It was really easy to get what I was missing.

I managed to fill the dex to about 674/718 before I had to start playing other games. Simply because anyone that owned a legendary Pokemon (Say Lugia) wanted to trade it for a event pPkemon that was even harder to obtain. I ended up playing through all of Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Platinum, Black and White to bring the total up to 711/718. The rest were vent legendaries I traded my friends for.

Now that Pokemon Bank is out, I'm not sure how that will affect trading. If it will be easier or hard to get some things. When I was trading, Piplup was still rare and I had the means to get what I wanted using it. The Legenary Pokemon were also impossible to obtain. I assume that will remain the same.

All in all it took about 350 hours to catch them all, but it was a lot of fun doing it.

On that note, I can't help you with battling. I am terrible at it.

[Fynn]

Catching all the Pokemon is a time consuming process in this game mostly because there are 718 of them. When I went through the game, I got everything I possibly could from the GTS before Pokemon bank was released. People in Japan had access to the bank, and Shauna found a Piplup on the wonder trade around New Year. I used that Piplup to make eggs and trade for anything I was missing. It was really easy to get what I was missing.

I managed to fill the dex to about 674/718 before I had to start playing other games. Simply because anyone that owned a legendary Pokemon (Say Lugia) wanted to trade it for a event pPkemon that was even harder to obtain. I ended up playing through all of Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Platinum, Black and White to bring the total up to 711/718. The rest were vent legendaries I traded my friends for.

Now that Pokemon Bank is out, I'm not sure how that will affect trading. If it will be easier or hard to get some things. When I was trading, Piplup was still rare and I had the means to get what I wanted using it. The Legenary Pokemon were also impossible to obtain. I assume that will remain the same.

All in all it took about 350 hours to catch them all, but it was a lot of fun doing it.

On that note, I can't help you with battling. I am terrible at it.

That's OK ;) That makes two of us :D

I was actually thinking it might be a good idea to start with wonder trade while I still got very little pokemon. Through Pokemon bank I got all my starters, so I guess I have something to bargain with later on. And I guess those are the ones I want to send, since I don't want to be one of those douches that just sends Flabébé expecting a fucking Deoxys.

[Dat Matt]

I started the game wonder trading. If I didn't get something I wanted I'd just put it back in the wonder trade. Even got a Xerneas through the wonder trade which was pretty cool.

Mostly Flabebes and pidgeys though.

[Shaibana]

i was so happy when i got a an eevee through wonder trade.. but a vieuw days later i discovered you can catch them in the wild.

wich i find a little disapointing.
in all the games so far Eevee has been an exclusive, and now it feels worthless.
but on the bright side: i have realised my eeveelution dream

ive battled online 2x.. it was horrible. im so bad at it..
anyone wanna fight me? xD

[Fynn]

You up for a fight right now? I'm playing at this moment :D

[Ultima Shadow]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"Since NCG has not yet challenged
'the gyms', anyone else is free to
do so. The first victor of each get
the spoils. Oh, and... I'm adding
myself as well. The gyms, and
their characteristics are as follow:"







Normal rank (3 pokemons):


Blazing Sword Gym
Reward: 4IV Charmander and Skarmory with egg moves.
Hint: setup-heavy sweep team. Steel and Fire types.





Magic Gym
Reward: 4IV Dratini with Marvel Scale and a 5IV Timid Ralts.
Hint: mixed team mostly focused around special attacks. Dragon and Psychic types.





Shinobi Gym
Reward: 4IV Hidden Ability Froakie and Gible.
Hint: high speed-tier team with instant sweeping capasity. Dark and Dragon types.





Rust Gym
Reward: 4IV Squirtle and Feebas.
Hint: bulky pokemon, hard to break through. Water and Steel types.







High rank (4 pokemons):


Despair Gym
Reward: Shiny Trevenant and a 4IV Prankster Cottonee.
Hint: annoying team, focused around being a total pain in the ass. No type restrictions.






Lunatic rank (5 pokemons):


Boundary Gym
Reward: Gale Wings 4IV Fletching, Skill Link 4IV Shellder, 4 IV Mudkip, 4IV Frillish.
Hint: Filled with OP bs and stupid things. No type restrictions.



FC: 0662 - 3970 - 8557

[Skyblade]

Alright, I beat the champion about a week ago and am now ready to get back to it.

I've set myself two goals. I want to finally become a Pokemon master, just like I always wanted back in elementary school.

Goal #1: I want to collect all the Pokemon. Thanks to the Internet, that may finally be possible for me :D
Goal #2: I want to finally be competitive in online play. I never really got the meta game much. But now that everything has become so streamlined, I guess I may actually have a chance. If anyone has any tips to give me on that, I would be glad to hear that :) Seriously, I have no idea about competitive battling. I know what IVs and EVs are, but any guides I find are not helpful because they look like they're written in some language understood by those already in the know. How do I even get started with this? I know there's a lot of breeding involved.

As a side goal, I want to make lots of friends through competitive battling. Essentially, I finally have a chance to live the dream my 11-year-old self had :)

*Ahem*

EVs and IVs are values that determine your Pokémon's stats.

Every Pokémon species has certain strengths and weaknesses. Cloyster has really high physical defense, and pretty average in everything else, for example. However, there are modifiers that adjust these so that every Cloyster does not share identical stats. These modifiers are called EVs and IVs.

The first we'll go over are IVs. These are called Individual Values, and they're designed to make every Pokémon more unique. They are determined at the Pokémon's creation, and they never, ever change. Each stat can have an IV from 0 to 31. Essentially, this refers to how many bonus points a stat will receive when a Pokémon is level 100. So an Absol with an Attack IV of 31 will have an Attack stat of 296, while one with an Attack IV of 0 will have an Attack stat of 265. Obviously, therefore, higher IVs are better (with some very rare exceptions for particular Pokémon and builds).

IVs are usually generated randomly on a wild Pokémon (or most trainer Pokémon, although some rare trainers have Pokémon with fixed IVs). Thus, if you are attempting to catch a wild Pokémon with max IVs, you will be catching a lot, and I do mean a lot, of wild Pokémon. Your odds of catching a Pokémon with 6 max IVs (referred to as hex-flawless, since it has perfect IVs in all six stats) is 1 in 1,073,741,824 (1 in 32^6). Good luck with that.

Fortunately, the game does offer some alternatives that make this much, much easier. First, is that catching particular Pokémon, or Pokémon for particular locations, can guarantee you a certain number of IVs at max level. Any Pokémon caught in Friend Safari will have at least two max IVs (which cuts your odds of catching a hex-flawless down to 1 in 32^4, or 1 in 1,048,576). To make things even more interesting, any Pokémon that is a member of the "Undiscovered" Egg Group will be guaranteed to have at least three IVs at max level. This is because the Undiscovered Egg Group contains every Legendary, and it was done to make Legendary Pokémon more useful (since you can't breed them, which I'll get to later). However, the Undiscovered Egg Group also contains every Baby Pokémon, so catching Pokémon like Riolu, Chingling, and Mime Jr. will net you Pokémon who can evolve, and then be used for breeding.

Now, you might ask, "How does breeding work, and how does it affect stats?". Fortunately, you don't have to, because Jinx already did. I'll go ahead and paste in my answer to that question while I'm here.



How does breeding work? Like, I understand you breed to get better stats, but how?

I'm unsure if you're asking for just stat information, or a breeding guide in general. Either way, it's a chance for me to type some more. Skip to the "Stat Inheritance" section for the information specific to stats.

-Breeding Basics-


Each different Pokémon species is part of an Egg Group. Any male Pokémon can breed with any female Pokémon in the same Egg Group. The Egg Groups are usually based on physical characteristics.

For example, there are three different Water-based Egg Groups. One is for standard fish like Magikarp, one is for amphibians like Poliwag, and one is for invertebrates like Tentacool. There are plenty of other groups as well. On for mammals, one for reptiles, one for plants, etcetera. Keep in mind, however, that plenty of Pokémon are actually in multiple groups. Squirtle, for example, is grouped with both the Amphibian group and the Reptilian group.

If two Pokémon left in the Day Care can breed, you'll get a message saying that they like to spend time together when you talk to the Day Care man outside the center. If he says they prefer spending time with others, they won't produce an egg.

Pokémon without a gender cannot be bred through standard means, though they may still be a part of an Egg Group.


When two Pokémon within the same Egg Group create an egg, the resulting Pokémon is going to be the lowest Evolution-form of the mother. Breeding a female Marowak with a male Feraligatr (again, both in the Reptilian Egg Group) results in a baby Cubone, the lowest Evolution-form of Marowak.

There are two small exceptions to this: Nidoran Male and Female are considered the same species, and breeding them can produce either offspring, not merely Nidoran Females. Illumise and Volbeat are also considered the same species and follow the same rules. There are no female Volbeat or female Nidoran Males, but you can get more of either by breeding Illumise and Nidoran Female.

Also, the "Baby" Pokémon further break this rule. If you breed a female Azumarill, for example, you will get only Marill as children, not the younger Azurill. This is because the "Baby" Pokémon are only able to be obtained by breeding while the parent hold on to the corresponding incense. To get an Azurill, for example, you would need to let Azumarill hold the Sea Incense (available at the stand in Coumarine City) while breeding. Each Incense is used to get a different Baby Pokémon.


The child Pokémon can learn moves from either parent.

The child will learn any moves it can naturally learn from leveling up (in its current evolution) that both parents know.

The child will learn any TM, HM, or move tutor moves that either parent knows (it was only from the Father until this generation, but I believe it can now learn them from either), that the child can also learn.

The child can also learn certain "Egg Moves" from breeding if, again, either parent knows them (this was also originally restricted to only learning Egg Moves from the father, but now can be learned from either parent, confirmed). These moves are different for every Pokémon, but they essentially are a list of moves available only through breeding. Outrage, for example, can never be learned by a Charizard, but breeding a female Charizard with a male Dragonite that knows Outrage will result in a baby Charmander with Outrage. You'll have to either experiment a lot or look up the possible Egg Moves for each Pokémon you want to try these on.


Every Pokémon has 6 stats: HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed.

Each stat is assigned a number when the Pokémon is created. These go from 0 to 31, and the stat gets a corresponding boost from these "Individual Values" (hereafter referred to as IVs). For example, at level 100, a Pokémon with a 31 in the Attack IV will have an Attack stat 31 points higher than a Pokémon of the same species with a 0 in the Attack IV.

IVs are set when the Pokémon is created, and never change.

Babies inherit three IVs from their parents. They can be taken from either parent, and can be any three IVs.

Example:
You have a female Pikachu with 31 Special Attack IV and 0 Speed IV.
You have a male Pikachu with 0 Special Attack IV and 31 Speed IV.
The baby can inherit the mother's Special Attack and the father's Speed (and one other stat IV from either parent), resulting in a baby Pikachu with a 31 in each.
Of course, the baby could also inherit both 0's, resulting in an incredibly weak baby, relatively. But you can always breed them again.


Each Pokémon also has a "Nature". You can view it from the Ribbon page, above the date met. Each nature changes two stats. A "Mild" Natured Pokémon, for example (like my Greninja), will have increased Special Attack, and decreased Defense. These modifications are 10% of the stat's value. So if a neutral Greninja had 100 in both Defense and Special attack, a Mild Greninja of the same level would have 90 Defense and 110 Special Attack.

You can view the changes on a Pokémon's stat page. If the name of a stat is red, it is being increased. If it is blue, it is being decreased.

Please note that there are 5 Natures which boost the same stat that they penalize, resulting in neutral Natures.


When breeding, if either parent holds an Everstone, the child will be hatched with that parent's Nature. If both parents hold Everstones, the child will have a 50/50 chance to get either. This lets you help ensure that the child is born with the correct Nature when it finally inherits the correct stats.


The Everstone and the Incenses are not the only items that change the resulting baby.

There are certain items which give Effort Values (EVs) in battle when equipped to a Pokémon. The Power Weight gives 4 HP EVs. The Power Bracer gives 4 Attack EVs. The Power Belt gives Defense, the Power Lens gives Special Attack, the Power Band gives Special Defense, and the Power Anklet gives Speed.

If a parent holds one of these while breeding, it will guarantee that the corresponding stat will pass from that parent to the baby. If both parents hold an item (even if not the same item), it will pick one of the two to inherit, then take the other two inherited stats at random. You cannot guarantee more than one inheritance stat this way.


The Destiny Knot increases the number of IVs that the child inherits. If either parent holds this item, the child will inherit five IVs from the parents instead of the usual three. Which IVs are chosen, and from which parent, are still random.


Some Pokémon, especially those gotten from Horde battles or the Friend Safari, will have Hidden Abilities that are different from what the Pokémon usually has.

Other Pokémon can naturally have more than one Ability (such as Absol, who can have either Super Luck or Pressure, in addition to its Hidden Ability, which is Justified).

These Abilities can all be passed on to the baby as well. When normally breeding, between any two Pokémon of the same Egg Group, the mother has an 80% chance of passing down a non-Hidden Ability, or a 60% chance of passing down a Hidden Ability.

Supposedly, the Father can now pass down a Hidden Ability as well, as long as both parents are members of the same species (for example, the male Blazikenite from the event can now pass down Speed Boost to a baby Torchic, as long as he is breeding with a female Blazikenite).

Abilities cannot be passed down when breeding with a Ditto, and the child will know either its regular Ability, or one of its regular Abilities if it can have two, at random.


Some Pokémon do not have a gender, or are only available as male (such as Throh and Sawk). Or you might not have caught a female to breed with. These Pokémon can still be bred, however, thanks to Ditto. Ditto can breed with almost any non-legendary, non-baby Pokémon in the game.

Putting Ditto in the Day Care with any non-legendary, non-baby Pokémon (except Nidorina, Nidoqueen, and Unown) will result in producing a baby which relates to the other parent. A Ditto and a Metagross, for example, results in a baby Beldum, even though Metagross is not a female parent, and cannot breed except with Ditto.

You cannot breed Dittos at all. Two Dittos together will not produce an Egg, and with any other parent, will only produce an Egg that corresponds to the other parent.

Other than this, Ditto works almost the exact same way as other Pokémon. The same inheritance and move rules apply.

So, now you have some quite detailed information on breeding, and how it can affect IVs. Next up, we will have to examine EVs.

EVs are the second modifier for statistic. EV is short of Effort Values. They're named because they are points that you put Effort into Training.

EVs affect a particular stat. Each Pokémon can have up to 510 EVs. Each Pokémon can only put a maximum of 252 EVs into a particular stat, however. A level 100 Pokémon will gain one point in a stat for every 4 EVs put into it. These means that the maximum boost a single stat can receive from EVs is 63. Thus, going back to our Absol example, an Absol with an Attack IV of 31 and zero Attack EVs will have an Attack stat of 296, while one with an Attack IV of 31 and 252 Attack EVs will have an Attack stat of 359.

As you can see, EV training is extremely important. How then, do you EV train? Well, each Pokémon that you defeat (or capture) gives you EVs. Which EVs you obtain changes based on which Pokémon you defeat. Defeat an Alakazam, and you'll get Special Attack EVs. Defeat a Raichu, and you'll get Speed EVs. The amounts for each fight vary based on the specific species, with more evolved versions typically giving higher values, ranging from one to three EVs per kill. These EVs, however, can be doubled by the Pokérus, or the Macho Brace (and using both will Quadruple the EVs you obtain). The "Power" items, like the Power Lens, also guarantee you 4 EVs in the stat they boost per kill, allowing you faster growth and a bit less randomness.

Medicine can also effect EVs. Each Protein, Carbos, or similar item gives you 10 EVs in a particular stat, but only up to 100 EVs. You can also use certain berries to reduce a stat's EVs by 10, in case you have a few unwanted EVs to be rid of.

For a less complicated, easier to control method, you can also use Super Training. Each Super Training mission grants you either 4, 8, or 12 EVs, based on the tier of training. Super Training bags also grant 1, 4, or 12 EVs to their particular stat. The boosts you receive can also be monitored, though not in exact numerical form, by the Super Training radial graph.




My other main guide for some of the new Pokémon features introduced in X and Y, including Super Training, from earlier in the thread.




Pokémon Amie is a new way to increase Affection with your Pokémon. Each Pokémon has three Pokémon Amie stats. These are Affection, Fullness, and Enjoyment. Affection is the beneficial one that you want to raise. Fullness and Enjoyment are just restrictions on how much you can raise Affection.

When you open Pokémon Amie, you'll be able to interact with your Pokémon. Petting it with the stylus or calling its name will give you hearts, which increase its Affection. However, doing so consumes Enjoyment, and once Enjoyment is drained, you can't gain any more Affection hearts this way.

You can also feed your Pokémon Poképuffs to further increase Affection. However, this also increases Fullness. Once full, a Pokémon refuses to eat any more. A Pokémon whose Fullness is completely empty can eat 6 Poképuffs, and you'll notice that the last two are eaten slower than the others, to give you warning so you don't waste any Poképuffs.

In order to reset Fullness and Enjoyment, and earn more Poképuffs, you need to play the mini-games. There are three, and they have variable difficulty levels. The better you do, and the higher difficulty you play on, the better the rewards. You'll get more, and better Poképuffs for doing better on the games.

Each time you play a minigame, it resets part of the meters. Any three games played through (even Endless mode where you lose immediately on purpose) will reset both a Pokémon's Enjoyment and Fullness, allowing you to feed it and pet it to get more affection.

As you get basic Affection hearts, you'll eventually raise the Affection level. When your level goes up, the Pokémon will cheer and dozens of hearts will rush out at once. You really can't miss it.

Raising Affection seems to be permanent (I know it is permanent once you max it), and gives various bonuses. Increase Experience, increased Evasion, increased Critical Chance. You Pokémon can heal itself from status effects (so you don't worry about them) or even survive normally deadly hits with 1 HP left, like a Focus Band.


Minigames (to play you need at least three Pokémon):
Each has four difficulty modes: Easy, Normal, Hard, and Unlimited (which goes on until you fail)
-The first is Berry Picker. You drag berries from a tree to your Pokémon. There is one of each berry type, and each Pokémon requests a certain berry. More berries are added and the speed picks up as the difficulty increases.
-The second is Head It. Yarn falls from the top of the screen, and you tap your Pokémon to bounce it back up. Yarn falls faster and patterns are a little less consistent as difficulty increases.
-The third is Tile Puzzle. A moving picture of your Pokémon is broken into tiles. Each tile is then switched with another tile on the screen. Each tile is only moved once, so if you move a tile back correctly, you should always actually fix two tiles. Each picture shifts between scenes as you work on it. The pictures are split into more tiles as difficulty progresses.


Personal advice: Raise up the "Head it" minigame. It's easy to bounce the yarn up, and it gives great rewards for easy effort. Once you reach unlimited, play it and earn about 300 to 400 points, and you should get six excellent Poképuffs. If you five star it (around 900 points) you'll get even better ones, but it's not worth the extra time.

The Best Way To Get Good Poképuffs:
Play Unlimited Head it, and chain 15 bounces together. This should net you at least 60 to 65 points (45 from bouncing, plus 15 for the chain), which is enough to one-star Unlimited Mode. This will reward you with two of the second best Poképuffs in the game (again, to get the best, you need to 5-star Unlimited, which takes at least ten times as long, and risks making mistakes). Three games with two Poképuffs rewarded each will get you 6 Poképuffs, which is exactly how much a Pokémon with an empty stomach can eat, so this method is not only a fast way to get good Poképuffs, it is also perfectly sustainable for keeping your Pokémon fed as optimally as possible.



Pokémon Super Training is a great new way to maximize the Effort Values of your Pokémon.

As per previous games, a single Pokémon can have 510 Effort Values total. Each Effort Value (EV) is worth one point in a stat to a level 100 Pokémon. However, unlike other Pokémon games, you can now only put 252 EVs in a single stat, instead of the 255 of older games, preventing you from wasting 3 EVs which won't yield a stat boost.

Super Training starts with two tutorial level which teach you the basics. Essentially, the game is a shooter. The Circle Pad controls your Pokémon's movement, and the stylus controls your aim and fires shots.

You face a series of Pokémon balloons. Each has targets which appear on them as you play. Hit the targets and your score goes up. Meet the score that is the goal for the level, and you complete the level. However, many Pokémon balloons move, and some have barriers, other balloons blocking for them, or the ability to fight back.

Barriers can be broken either through doing enough damage, or by hitting their yellow weak spot directly. Guardian balloons can be killed by damage, but will regenerate over time, so it is better to try to fire around them. Balloons will fight back by firing giant soccer balls at you. Evade them by moving, or press L to activate your Shield. Just know that, like Protect, your Shield can't be used repeatedly, so get used to dodging.

Adding EVs to your Pokémon increases how they perform in Super Training, in addition to the stat boosts. Increasing Attack or Special Attack increases the points you score with each hit. Increasing Defense or Special Defense decreases the damage you take from soccer balls and increases the speed at which you charge shots up. Increasing HP increases the size of your ball's hit zone, allowing you to hit targets more easily. And increasing Speed increases how fast you can move to avoid hits, and possibly how fast your shot travels.

When you complete a level, you earn Effort Value points. The first two tutorial levels (which you can't escape) yield 4 EVs in Defense apiece, for a total of 8 Defense EVs. There is also a "Target Time" for each level that gives your Pokémon a little medal if they can beat it within the time, and the game will keep track of your fastest times, and which Pokémon earned them.

After you complete those levels, you unlock the first tier of Super Training. You can choose from any of the six stats: Special Attack, HP, Attack, Special Defense, Speed, and Defense. Completing one of these levels will reward you with 4 EVs in the corresponding stat. Complete all the levels, and you unlock the second tier. IMPORTANT NOTE: You do not have to complete them all with a single Pokémon, you just have to clear each level once with any Pokémon to unlock tier two.

Tier two has the same breakdown, but each level now yields 8 EVs per level, and each level is generally harder. Complete every tier two level (again, you do not need to do it with a single Pokémon), and you unlock tier three. In Tier 3, you face harder levels, and each is worth 12 EVs, making it the fastest way to increase EVs in Super Training.

After any individual Pokémon has acquired 510 EVs, that particular Pokémon is allowed to enter Tier 4 (you may have to unlock Tiers 2 and 3 if you got your EVs through battle instead of Super Training, I'm not sure). In Tier 4, you no longer get EVs. Instead, you get items. Some of these items are rare (almost every course seems to be tied to an Evolution Stone, for example), and what item they give you depends on how fast you clear them, with some luck thrown in. Also, these levels are far harder than the old ones, and, unlike Tiers 1 through 3, you cannot take on any one you wish, you have to unlock them one at a time.

Completing all 6 Tier 4 missions with one Pokémon will allow that Pokémon to take on Tier 5, the final tier. You'll get more items as rewards, but the rules are essentially the same as Tier 4.


Each time you complete a level, no matter which tier it is in, you will also earn a Punching Bag. These Punching Bags are accessible from the main Super Training Screen (again, the game will give you a tutorial on them). Which one you get depends on which mission you completed, and how fast you did it. Completing an Attack mission, for example, will yield an Attack bag almost always (occasionally you'll get a Double Up bag or something else different, but never a different stat, I'll get to those in a minute). Breaking these bags reward you with extra EVs for that stat.

Small Bags, easily accessible from the first Tier, are worth 1 EV, and must be punched by a Pokémon 11 times to break. And, as with all bags, the final blow must come from you hitting the screen, the Pokémon won't do it automatically. Medium Bags are worth 4 EVs, and must be hit 26 times. Large Bags are worth 12 EVs, and must be hit 51 times.

If you fail a mission, you still get a punching bag. However, you get different punching bags, intended to help you complete the missions. These include the Strength Bag, which earns you more points per hit, the Toughen Up bag, which reduces the damage you take from soccer balls, the Big Shot bag, which increases your shot size to make hitting easier, and the Swiftness bag, which makes your Pokémon move faster. Each bag breaks in 11 hits, and lasts for only one mission.

There are also a few extra bags which do special things. The Double Up bag can be randomly won as an award, or through the second method (give me a second, I'll get to it), and doubles the EVs you earn on your next mission. The other two bags, the Soothing bag and the Reset bag, can only be acquired through being "found" by a Pokémon training itself. Essentially, any time your Pokémon hits the grey punching bag (about once a minute if left automatically) while no other punching bag is put up, there's a chance they'll get a bag. These can be any bag in the game, but are your only chance of getting Reset and Soothing bags. Soothing bags increase your friendship, so are great for Pokémon like Golbat or an Eevee you want to evolve to Espeon/Umbreon. Reset bags reset all your EVs so you can train from scratch. All non-stat bags take 11 hits to break, again with the final hit coming from you.

Pokémon will occasionally fall asleep, which keeps them from going on missions or hitting punching bags. Tapping them will wake them up. It will also put a smile on their face, which makes the next bag they punch at break twice as quickly.


How to punch bags: Any time you tap the touchscreen, your Pokémon will punch a bag. They will also punch on their own about once a minute, and they'll do this even in the middle of a punching session you're controlling.


Final note: Not every Pokémon acts the same way in the Super Training missions. On the main Super Training page, in the upper right corner, is a logo. For most Pokémon I've found (including your starters) it will be a soccer ball. But for some (first I found was Oddish) it will be a line of little soccer balls. This indicates how they fight in the missions. A single ball Pokémon is good for heavy, timed shots, while Oddish will fire rapidly but weakly as long as you hold down the stylus.



This is the new Wifi-Room. You no longer have to go to a Pokécenter to trade, browse the GTS, or anything like that. You can do it all from the PSS screen at any time.

The PSS screen is split into three sections. The first is "Friends", which lists all the people who are Friends with you. The Friends from your 3DS's Friends List will only be added if they go online while playing a Pokémon X/Y game at the same time you are online with your Pokémon X/Y game.

The second section is "Acqaintances", which is used for anyone you've had direct interactions with (battle or trade) but have not Friended. And the third section is "Passerby", which is everyone within your 3DS's wireless range or, if you are on the internet, every other person connected to the internet with a Pokémon game.

To interact with a trainer, tap on them. It will pull up a screen with their name, and available options. These include Trading, Battling, using Game-Chat (if they allow it), viewing their Trainer Video, or using O-Powers on them. Most of these are fairly self-explanatory, but I'll detail Trainer Videos and O-Powers below.

Trainer Videos can be set up in Lumiose City, and are a ten second video of your trainer in various poses and with effects, backgrounds, and movements. Edit one when you get to Lumiose City, and you'll figure it out from there.


O-Powers are buffs. You start out with Pokémon Healing, which heals the first Pokémon in the party, or the Pokémon currently in battle, for a minor amount. You also start with Pokémon Capture Power, which increases the chance for a Pokéball to capture a Pokémon. You get extra ones as you play, and they include powers like a stat buff at the start of the next combat, increased money from trainers, increased experience from battles, reduced cost of items at shops, and things like that.

Every O-Power has a cost of "Energy". Energy regenerates with time, and isn't used for anything but O-Powers, so don't be stingy with it. Each Power has a cost to you, and a cost to use on someone else. Using it on yourself is always more expensive than using it on someone else, to help promote social interaction. For example, Sp. Attack Power 1 is 1 Energy if you use it on someone else, but 3 Energy if you use it on yourself.

There are also different levels of each power. The more you use a power, the higher level it will become, until it reaches level 3, which is the highest. Each higher level works better, but also costs more energy.

Some powers give one time buffs, like healing or stat increases. Others give duration buffs, like money or experience. A duration buff will typically provide its benefit for three minutes, no matter what power level it is at. Increased levels instead give strong effects for that duration.

Upgrading from Level 1 to Level 2 of a power takes either 15 uses, I believe. I have not kept track of how long to upgrade to Level 3.


Now, on to the last parts of the PSS. In the upper right of the main screen are two blue icons. The one on the far right is the Internet icon. Press it to hook into the internet. To the left of that is the Functions Icon. This lets you do a lot of general things that aren't directly interacting with another trainer. I'll run down the list now.

Battle: Set up a Pokémon battle.

Trade: Set up a Pokémon trade.

Battle Spot: Random battles or Ranked Competition, I believe (haven't used it yet, I don't like playing competitively).

Wonder Trade: Trade any Pokémon for a random Pokémon from someone else. You can get some rares, and it's a great way to pick up Pokémon from other countries easily, but don't put up anything you don't want to lose.

Shout Out: Send out a message to other trainers who see you using PSS.

Holo Caster: No clue, really. Ability to pick up announcement data and some other stuff on Street Pass. Haven't used it.

The GTS: This is a place you can put a Pokémon and request a Pokémon for trade. You can search for a Pokémon other people have put up, either by selecting one from your Pokédex, or typing in its name. It's a decent way to hunt for Pokémon you don't have, though there are a lot of ridiculous trades up there, such as people wanting a legendary for a Skitty.

Game Sync: Hook up to the Pokémon Game Link to let Nintendo track your progress and reward PokéMiles for it. For more details, try it out or check the website, this one isn't too important right now (not all functionality is working for it yet).

O-Power: If you want to use an O-Power on yourself, this is the place to do it.

Favorites List: Haven't used, not sure how to. Something similar to the friend's list, apparently, but I don't know the details.

Profile: Information on you to adjust and make viewable.

PSS Settings: Exactly what it sounds like.



Upon completing the game and beating the Elite 4 (massive spoilers), you unlock the Safari Zone. Your Safari Zone has a type, which relates to the Pokémon which can be found within it. Mine, for example, is Normal. Unfortunately, your Safari Zone only has three Pokémon in it. You are stuck with those three Pokémon and can never change them, as far as we know.

However, anyone who is listed as a "Friend" in your PSS has their own Safari Zone, and you can visit that Safari Zone as well.

Thus, for each friend on the PSS, you get another Safari Zone and three more Pokémon to catch in it. Though you can of course get duplicates if you have bad luck. However, you should note that if one of your friends has not beaten the Elite Four (and done a Game Sync or been online since, so Nintendo can know about it), you will only be able to see two of their Pokémon, and the third will unlock once they have completed the game.

The benefits of the Friend Safari are thus:

You can get Pokémon you can't otherwise get in-game.
Pokémon in the Friend Safari have an increased chance of having their Hidden Ability.
Pokémon in the Friend Safari have an increased chance of being Shiny.
Pokémon in the Friend Safari always have at least two IVs that are 31, the maximum possible value.



The Kalos Pokédex is broken into three regions. Central, Coastal, and Mountain. You start with just the Central Pokédex, and the others are added on as you enter their respective territories. You first get the Coastal Pokédex after you leave Connecting Cave.

Due to the extremely high number of Pokémon, the sections were added for ease of sorting/tracking. There are no other effects on gameplay that I know of.

[Fynn]

That was absolutely perfect :exdee: Could you just tell me how I can find out what IVs my Pokemon has in-game?

[Shaibana]

You up for a fight right now? I'm playing at this moment :D

aww, didnt see ur post :( was doing something else..
have you added me? and have i added you? :o
under what name?

p.s im going to set up a pokemon battle competition!
please check it out! :D
http://home.eyesonff.com/general-gaming-discussion/154964-pokemon-xy-battle-competition-sign-up.html#post3381961

[Skyblade]

That was absolutely perfect :exdee: Could you just tell me how I can find out what IVs my Pokemon has in-game?

In the Kiloude City Pokémon Center, on the left hand side, there is a character called "The Judge". He gives you some information on your IVs.

Essentially, he chooses the highest IV of the Pokémon you tell him to Judge, tells you what stat it is in, and then gives you a rundown on how good it is. He doesn't give exact values though, but rather a range of possible values.

If a stat has an IV between 0 and 15: "It has rather decent stats, I'd say. That's how I judge it."
Between 16 and 25: "It's definitely got some good stats. That's how I judge it."
Between 26 and 30: "This Pokemon has some fantastic stats. That's how I judge it."
And, if the IV of a stat is 31: "Stats like those... They simply can't be beat! That's how I judge it."

He does, however, give you a bit of extra information. If you have two stats tied for having a Pokémon's highest IVs, he will say "oh, but this stat is good too". This lets you know when you have multiple IVs that are all at the same value, or multiple perfects. He will also make a special statement if you have any IVs at 0 after he finishes his main statement.

There are also programs that will help judge your IVs for you, based on calculating the values from the Pokémon's current stats and EVs, but in-game, your only option is the Judge.

[Shaibana]

ill be online tonight between 22:00 - 23:45 (Central european time)
in a train and i believe both trains have WIFI :o
so if Mr. shauna, you have time around that i would apreciate it :D

and if anyone wants too battle, i would love that too

[Fynn]

I might be online then, we'll see ;)

[WildRaubtier]

wellllll...... since we're interested in this thread...

Seems like Diancie has finally been revealed. It's apparently a mutated carbink, with similar stats.

A special Floette based on AZ's has also surfaced, somewhere. It has different stats compared a normal Floette, and a special move called "Light of Ruin" that is fairy type and has 140 power/90 accuracy :O

Also, Volcanion's special move is a Scald with the power of Hydro Pump lol

[Shaibana]

so they added new pokemon? :o

[WildRaubtier]

Nah, these are just the Mews of this gen.

Left to right: Diancie, Volcanion, Hoopa.
http://www.pokedit.com/boards/ckfinder/userfiles/2/images/hoopa-diancie-volcanion-new-legendary-pokemon.png

further reading about those three (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1957245-hoopa-volcanion-diancies-leaked-stats-abilities-types/)

Floette-Eternal (AZ's Floette) (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-eternal-flower-or-floette-e.3501085/)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ihSyoBtne7A/Urnt83zPMjI/AAAAAAAAAiI/F709VwtR8lc/s1600/meow.jpg

And finally... Mega Latias/Latios:
https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1384/47/1384475708817.jpg

That's all of it.

[Dat Matt]

Diance has been revealed. (http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/diancie/) Not sure when we'll get it, but I am excite.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/7bfeb443c556772f74ab9538411ed740/tumblr_mv1wasy0fX1sqmnn9o1_500.gif

[edczxcvbnm]

I have recently purchase a 3DS and this game and I am having a blast. I have 4 gym badges and 100 pokemon. I have caught all of the mons that I can in central Kalos and now and I working on doing that for the next area before I move on.

By going off and trying to catch-e-mall, I am now super over leveled(Greninja is level 65)...it also helps that I find the Battle Chateau a great deal of fun.

I know I can't get all of them due to Nintendo's stupid insistence on special event and other things of that nature but I will try to capture as many as I can on my own and go through the evolutions and breeding processes.

I am having a blast so far. I have not yet done any friend code stuff so I don't have that to give out to anyone yet.

[Fynn]

Alright, so like I said earlier, I never really got into competitive battling, so to whomever I'll face in the meet-up tonight - I'll be using the Pokemon I used to beat the champion, so they are decent, but not really championship material, and I kinda suck at any strategies :D

[Skyblade]

I wouldn't recommend getting into competitive battling. It's...not fun. The game becomes an absolutely insane numbers game for min/maxing Pokémon, and there are huge shifts to even the ways you have to think and how you approach battles. Battling friends can be fun on rare occasions, but the serious competitive scene? Blech.

That said, if you want to battle, make sure everyone has downloaded Patch 1.2, or the game won't let you.

[Fynn]

I wouldn't recommend getting into competitive battling. It's...not fun. The game becomes an absolutely insane numbers game for min/maxing Pokémon, and there are huge shifts to even the ways you have to think and how you approach battles. Battling friends can be fun on rare occasions, but the serious competitive scene? Blech.

That said, if you want to battle, make sure everyone has downloaded Patch 1.2, or the game won't let you.

Yeah, well, if it stops being fun, I don't intend to keep going at it. I just really wanna test myself, see how I do and experiment with the meta game a little. But battling friends is the most fun thing ever, so I can't wait to battle you guys ^.^

[Ultima Shadow]

I wouldn't recommend getting into competitive battling. It's...not fun.
Totally disagree with you. It's great. Have you actually given it a serious shot? You don't HAVE to build every pokemon like the Smogon sets to do well.

It will be important to keep track of certain speeds, like... Garchomp who has just slightly above 100 speed should usually make use of that and put enough EVs in speed to outspeed max-speed base 100. But things like that aside, you can often put points where you feel like. You just have to use some common sense, like... bulky pokemon that function better as walls should have their EV's in HP and defense rather than speed and attack etc. Smogon can be good as a general reference at times, but you certainly don't need perfectly min/maxed to outspeed exactly that specific pokemon while being able to survive attack x from another pokemon.

With a team where I had non-"standard" sets on 4 out of 6 pokemons, I still placed 3rd at a X and Y tounament. And I've swept a whole competitive team with an insane set that Smogon would never put on their site for being too ridiculous.


Also, the actual battling IS fun once you have your team(s) - whenever your pokemons are mainstream or not. It's the number one way to keep enjoying the game after finishing the main story.

So yeah, if you ask, I totally recommend trying competitive battling out. If it's not for you, then it's not. But it can certainly be a hell of a lot of fun, just like any other competitive game.

[Shaibana]

Its fun when you win once in a while perhaps. ;p.

Bah i couldnt get an connection in the frist train last night :( and the 2nd dient had internet at all :o
I might be online tonight , ive got internet here . Pls me, im sure ive alredy added you ( of ur on the list)

Im in for a friendly match

P.s sign in for my Pokémon battle competition for eoff pls :D

[Skyblade]

I wouldn't recommend getting into competitive battling. It's...not fun.
Totally disagree with you. It's great. Have you actually given it a serious shot? You don't HAVE to build every pokemon like the Smogon sets to do well.

It will be important to keep track of certain speeds, like... Garchomp who has just slightly above 100 speed should usually make use of that and put enough EVs in speed to outspeed max-speed base 100. But things like that aside, you can often put points where you feel like. You just have to use some common sense, like... bulky pokemon that function better as walls should have their EV's in HP and defense rather than speed and attack etc. Smogon can be good as a general reference at times, but you certainly don't need perfectly min/maxed to outspeed exactly that specific pokemon while being able to survive attack x from another pokemon.

With a team where I had non-"standard" sets on 4 out of 6 pokemons, I still placed 3rd at a X and Y tounament. And I've swept a whole competitive team with an insane set that Smogon would never put on their site for being too ridiculous.


Also, the actual battling IS fun once you have your team(s) - whenever your pokemons are mainstream or not. It's the number one way to keep enjoying the game after finishing the main story.

So yeah, if you ask, I totally recommend trying competitive battling out. If it's not for you, then it's not. But it can certainly be a hell of a lot of fun, just like any other competitive game.

Yeah, you're kind of proving my point here. Whether you choose Smogon sets or not, you need to know Speed tiers. You pretty much need to know damage rolls, and what has the potential to one-shot you. You need to know how to maximize coverage and cross coverage. You need to learn a completely different strategy for swapping Pokemon and how to support as a team. And you need to understand the insanely complicated concepts behind momentum that turn Pokemon almost more into a version of Go than the game we're familiar with.

Or you can just get demolished by every competitive trainer you meet, I guess that's always an option.

[Ultima Shadow]

Yeah, you're kind of proving my point here. Whether you choose Smogon sets or not, you need to know Speed tiers. You pretty much need to know damage rolls, and what has the potential to one-shot you. You need to know how to maximize coverage and cross coverage. You need to learn a completely different strategy for swapping Pokemon and how to support as a team. And you need to understand the insanely complicated concepts behind momentum that turn Pokemon almost more into a version of Go than the game we're familiar with.

Or you can just get demolished by every competitive trainer you meet, I guess that's always an option.
I said you DON'T need to exakt EV spread to survive "attack x". Speed tiers, yes, but that's not actually hard. You simply need to know the base speeds, and that's pretty much it. It's also only relevant when it comes to sweeper vs sweeper and such. If they have a Crobat out when your tank/wall is out, it's obvious who goes first. And same applies to many similar but not quite as extreme situations too. But really, speed is the only thing. The rest is something that's up to guessing and experience.

If your slower Psychic type is out against Gengar, you can probably figure out that it does not appreciate a Shadow Ball, even if you don't know whenever you'll survive it or not. And by simply knowing that, you can decide to either take the risk of sacrificing it, or switch it out.

As for the actual thinking game, that's the part that's FUN. Learning how to play against other competitive people is different from playing against CPU's, and that's the point. There's more strategy and thinking involved, and that's what makes it fun to some.

[Skyblade]

Yeah, you're kind of proving my point here. Whether you choose Smogon sets or not, you need to know Speed tiers. You pretty much need to know damage rolls, and what has the potential to one-shot you. You need to know how to maximize coverage and cross coverage. You need to learn a completely different strategy for swapping Pokemon and how to support as a team. And you need to understand the insanely complicated concepts behind momentum that turn Pokemon almost more into a version of Go than the game we're familiar with.

Or you can just get demolished by every competitive trainer you meet, I guess that's always an option.
I said you DON'T need to exakt EV spread to survive "attack x". Speed tiers, yes, but that's not actually hard. You simply need to know the base speeds, and that's pretty much it. It's also only relevant when it comes to sweeper vs sweeper and such. If they have a Crobat out when your tank/wall is out, it's obvious who goes first. And same applies to many similar but not quite as extreme situations too. But really, speed is the only thing. The rest is something that's up to guessing and experience.

If your slower Psychic type is out against Gengar, you can probably figure out that it does not appreciate a Shadow Ball, even if you don't know whenever you'll survive it or not. And by simply knowing that, you can decide to either take the risk of sacrificing it, or switch it out.

As for the actual thinking game, that's the part that's FUN. Learning how to play against other competitive people is different from playing against CPU's, and that's the point. There's more strategy and thinking involved, and that's what makes it fun to some.

One thing I forgot to mention: You also have to learn to give up on about half the Pokémon in the game because Stealth Rocks is hideously broken and cripples a ton of really fun Pokémon, and Game Freak has still not bothered to address this (nor, for that matter, have they managed to address the way they absolutely butchered the Psychic type to the point that it is almost unusable).

I do really disagree with you. Casual battling can be fun, but competitive just takes things way too far. Yeah, you don't "need" to know what your Pokémon can withstand and what it can't. But, on the other hand, if you don't know that Emboar can now carry Sucker Punch via an Egg Move, you might find that same Psychic Pokémon getting toasted by a move you didn't know to prepare for.

Team building becomes an absolute headache. Strategy takes on hundreds of levels as you have to plan an obsess over every single Pokémon the opponent has, try to determine what moves they're carrying, then get absolutely destroyed when it turns out you're wrong. You have to know move sets, play styles, combination strategies, and the potential of several hundred different Pokémon. Or you will get trounced by the serious battlers. Maybe not all the time, but often enough.

Admittedly, I do loathe PvP activity in most games, but there is no way I am going to make the mistake of stepping into the competitive game in Pokémon for a very long time, if ever. I'll stick to casuals when I feel like battling someone. You can keep trying to lure in the casual battlers so you can toast them, but I've been burned before, it won't work on me.

[Ultima Shadow]

One thing I forgot to mention: You also have to learn to give up on about half the Pokémon in the game because Stealth Rocks is hideously broken and cripples a ton of really fun Pokémon, and Game Freak has still not bothered to address this (nor, for that matter, have they managed to address the way they absolutely butchered the Psychic type to the point that it is almost unusable).

I do really disagree with you. Casual battling can be fun, but competitive just takes things way too far. Yeah, you don't "need" to know what your Pokémon can withstand and what it can't. But, on the other hand, if you don't know that Emboar can now carry Sucker Punch via an Egg Move, you might find that same Psychic Pokémon getting toasted by a move you didn't know to prepare for.

Team building becomes an absolute headache. Strategy takes on hundreds of levels as you have to plan an obsess over every single Pokémon the opponent has, try to determine what moves they're carrying, then get absolutely destroyed when it turns out you're wrong. You have to know move sets, play styles, combination strategies, and the potential of several hundred different Pokémon. Or you will get trounced by the serious battlers. Maybe not all the time, but often enough.

Admittedly, I do loathe PvP activity in most games, but there is no way I am going to make the mistake of stepping into the competitive game in Pokémon for a very long time, if ever. I'll stick to casuals when I feel like battling someone. You can keep trying to lure in the casual battlers so you can toast them, but I've been burned before, it won't work on me.
I will agree with you that Stealth Rocks are stupidly overpowered and ruins a lot of pokemons. Luckily, there are a few ways to get rid of them, so that the pokemon with 4x weakness to it can still be played, but the fact that playing these pokemons require anti-SR support does suck.

I do disagree, however, with just how much planning has to go into the teambuilding and you certainly don't need to know the moveset of hundreds of pokemons to do well. I've seriously just trained a whole bunch of pokemons that I like, and I switchs them around pretty randomly, only making sure I don't have any massive weakness when I make up teams to battle people with. More often than not, this works just fine as well. Maybe I haven't encountered any of the super MLG mega-pros or whatever, but I almost always battle serious players with smogon OU teams. And more often than not, my semi-random team building does work pretty well. It's not like I always win with such teams, but I can at least put up a good fight even when I don't.

And sure... if your Psychic type got Sucker Punched, that sucks. But hey, at least you'll know next time. Even a 6-0 loss, while frustrating, isn't the end of the world.


Also, I'm not trying to "lure" anyone in. I simply have a very different view on competitive battling, since I actually really enjoy PvP and competitive play in most games. I think it's fun, I like it, I enjoy it. That's all. I've figured it's not for you, but I think it's worth for The White Wizard of Fynn to try it out if he wants to without expecting it to be bad and boring. If it ends up not being his kind of thing, then it isn't. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's experience.

[Skyblade]

One thing I forgot to mention: You also have to learn to give up on about half the Pokémon in the game because Stealth Rocks is hideously broken and cripples a ton of really fun Pokémon, and Game Freak has still not bothered to address this (nor, for that matter, have they managed to address the way they absolutely butchered the Psychic type to the point that it is almost unusable).

I do really disagree with you. Casual battling can be fun, but competitive just takes things way too far. Yeah, you don't "need" to know what your Pokémon can withstand and what it can't. But, on the other hand, if you don't know that Emboar can now carry Sucker Punch via an Egg Move, you might find that same Psychic Pokémon getting toasted by a move you didn't know to prepare for.

Team building becomes an absolute headache. Strategy takes on hundreds of levels as you have to plan an obsess over every single Pokémon the opponent has, try to determine what moves they're carrying, then get absolutely destroyed when it turns out you're wrong. You have to know move sets, play styles, combination strategies, and the potential of several hundred different Pokémon. Or you will get trounced by the serious battlers. Maybe not all the time, but often enough.

Admittedly, I do loathe PvP activity in most games, but there is no way I am going to make the mistake of stepping into the competitive game in Pokémon for a very long time, if ever. I'll stick to casuals when I feel like battling someone. You can keep trying to lure in the casual battlers so you can toast them, but I've been burned before, it won't work on me.
I will agree with you that Stealth Rocks are stupidly overpowered and ruins a lot of pokemons. Luckily, there are a few ways to get rid of them, so that the pokemon with 4x weakness to it can still be played, but the fact that playing these pokemons require anti-SR support does suck.

I do disagree, however, with just how much planning has to go into the teambuilding and you certainly don't need to know the moveset of hundreds of pokemons to do well. I've seriously just trained a whole bunch of pokemons that I like, and I switchs them around pretty randomly, only making sure I don't have any massive weakness when I make up teams to battle people with. More often than not, this works just fine as well. Maybe I haven't encountered any of the super MLG mega-pros or whatever, but I almost always battle serious players with smogon OU teams. And more often than not, my semi-random team building does work pretty well. It's not like I always win with such teams, but I can at least put up a good fight even when I don't.

And sure... if your Psychic type got Sucker Punched, that sucks. But hey, at least you'll know next time. Even a 6-0 loss, while frustrating, isn't the end of the world.


Also, I'm not trying to "lure" anyone in. I simply have a very different view on competitive battling, since I actually really enjoy PvP and competitive play in most games. I think it's fun, I like it, I enjoy it. That's all. I've figured it's not for you, but I think it's worth for The White Wizard of Fynn to try it out if he wants to without expecting it to be bad and boring. If it ends up not being his kind of thing, then it isn't. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's experience.

I'm going to talk for a minute about Smogon. There was actually a huge debate on Smogon for quite a while about the people who come in, ripping teams straight off the recommendations, and play without a proper understanding of the metagame or competitive strategies, and the effect that has had on Smogon's policies.

See, Smogon is, at heart, an elitist competitive paradise. But as Smogon and its metagame have become more and more popular through word of mouth, a ton of people have joined in who don't understand the full details of how the game, properly played at the competitive level, works. Yet, because Smogon is also an open forum that anyone can join, these people were being heard and throwing off debates, tiering and other issues about development of the metagame. This became especially prevalent with the release of Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, and frustrated a lot of the core competitive crowd. This became especially problematic with the quickban discussion surrounding Blaziken, Gengarite, and Kangaskhanite, with a ton of the newer members not understanding (or not caring) how the mechanics meant that these Pokémon completely break the metagame. To the point that a lot of the experienced players began constantly referencing the join date and ranking of those speaking against the bans, pointing out their inexperience with the metagame and how they simply had not climbed high enough to see these Pokémon at the true competitive level. While that has always happened in their community, it had never happened to the degree it had here.

Thus, Smogon's community, especially in its current incarnation since X and Y came out, is no longer strictly competitive. There is now a significant playerbase dwelling at the entry level. They use Smogon's techniques and build guides, without a true understanding of the fundamentals of the metagame. This has adjusted Smogon's tiering (as tiers are based on frequency of use) and ranking system, but it hasn't really changed the nature of the game at the true competitive level. It has, however, introduced a significant quasi-casual element to the competitive game. Casual players who want to be more than they are, but lack the understanding.

I'm not claiming that this is the only crowd you have faced, but I can say that this crowd is very different to play from the true competitive crowd. Go try to challenge one of the OU council, or any of the players ranked high enough to be considered, by the Smogon core, to be competitive (I'm not sure what the current ranking for that is, I think it was around 1500 last I checked). It's a very different game, and not one I ever plan on playing again.


However, I never said it was boring. It is anything but. I just don't think it is fun. The community itself, I actually really like. I like the theorycrafting, I like the build discussion, and I like the debates and ideas that come out of it. I just hate competing at that level (actually, I don't much care for competing in general, but at that level it is especially bad).

If you like that degree of play, more power to you. It is clearly fun for the people who engage in it (the metagame would never have developed if it wasn't fun). There is a lot of a thinking man's game there, and a lot of depth and strategy to work out. But I don't enjoy it myself, and I want to try to create a clear picture of the downside for those who are thinking of entering it. If you're attempting to enter the competitive world on the cartridge, instead of the simulators (where a lot of the competitive game takes place), there is a significant time and effort investment involved, and doing all of that only to wind up in a game that you aren't competitive in and aren't having fun in is not something I wish for anyone to have to go through.

I use some of the competitive builds myself. I theorycraft some of the strategies, and I do enjoy building up my Pokémon, breeding for Nature, IVs, Moves, etcetera. But I do not ever attempt to enter the world of the truly competitive metagame. It is a nightmare. If you like it, or think you will like it, great. Have fun. But know what you are getting into first. I recommend stepping onto Smogon, getting to know a couple of the decent competitors, and challenging a couple on the simulator. A lot of them are great guys, and plenty will happily help you understand the systems and theories, work on your team, and better your skills. But you'll find the game very different from the Pokémon you've been playing thus far, and make sure you're ok with it before you put in the effort required for the undertaking you're preparing for.

[WildRaubtier]

^tl;dr : "dont ever go swimming, but if you do, never ever swim above an amateur level or you will DROWN"

I only play Balanced Hackmons competitively, its the best

[Shaibana]

I battled Patrick last night, but im not sure who it was. Was it fynn?
I only defeated 2 of his Pokémon :(
Pff im so bad at this

[Fynn]

Yes, that was me :p Don't give up! The most important thing is to have fun ;)

[Skyblade]

^tl;dr : "dont ever go swimming, but if you do, never ever swim above an amateur level or you will DROWN"

Getting into the competitive game means taking part in tournaments, and you will run into high level competition there.

It's closer to "swimming at your local pool is a bit different from swimming at the Olympics. Make sure you enjoy it before you spend years training for it".

[Shaibana]

U cant pick any pokemon from ur box when u get challenged for a battle? Or am i missing something?

I find this very inconvenient since ive started training a fresh new team

P.s im so bad at online battles,
Its a miracle if i can get 1 oponents pokemon down :l im starting to hate this

[Skyblade]

U cant pick any pokemon from ur box when u get challenged for a battle? Or am i missing something?

I find this very inconvenient since ive started training a fresh new team

That is what the "Battle Box" on the PC is for, I believe. Just put your primary combat team in there.

[Fynn]

But that doesn't work for standard wi-fi battles, does it? I mean, for me, it always takes my party, doesn't even ask any questions. But maybe that's because my battle box's empty? Maybe?

[Shaibana]

I entered pokemon in the battle box and now i can choose between current party or the battle box at the battle spot. Battle box will not be mentioned if its empty.
Im sure if you challenge someone you choose. too