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Psychotic
10-13-2016, 09:09 AM
Is anyone else watching this show? It's both enthralling and deeply unsettling at the same time. Ed smurfing Harris, son. Paint it Black and No Surprises too. Hot damn.

Rantz
10-13-2016, 11:06 AM
This has definitely been worth watching so far - feels like a novel enough concept (yes I know it's based on a movie and I haven't seen it so it's novel to me). I'm so far much more interested in the awakening of Dolores et al than the scavenger hunt Ed Harris is doing. I reckon that was a "real" gun she found, ie. one with the potential to harm humans. Next person who tries to rape her is gonna get deaded!

Psychotic
10-13-2016, 11:12 AM
Ooooooh! And she whacked that fly on her so we know she has the capacity to do it now! Also do you think that little boy with Doctor Anthony Hopkins is a cyborg younger version of himself?

Night Fury
10-13-2016, 11:31 AM
JJ Abrams and Jonathan Nolan?

Well. Might just have to add this to the list of things to watch.

Psychotic
10-13-2016, 11:41 AM
JJ Abrams and Jonathan Nolan?

Well. Might just have to add this to the list of things to watch.Do it! It's only just started so get in on the ground floor!

Night Fury
10-13-2016, 11:47 AM
Will do! Drag Race goes into off season tomorrow (WAH) so I'll start it then! :)

Slothy
10-13-2016, 01:12 PM
Fantastic show so far. And I would bet money on the thing in your spoiler about Hopkins being true Psy.

Mirage
10-13-2016, 06:11 PM
I'm really excited to see what Dolores ends up doing with the device she found.

Loony BoB
10-14-2016, 12:32 PM
I am enjoying it for what it is. I'm going to treat it like I treat most series I watch and not really spend time predicting what will happen, because it's just damn good couch TV for me. :)

And yeah, the Paint it Black music was excellent. Loved it.

Del Murder
10-14-2016, 11:00 PM
Loved the Paint it Black scene.

I'm sure HBO wants this to be the heir apparent to GoT. So far so good. Some of the things the guests do with the robots is incredibly disturbing though.

I liked the bait and switch they did with the male lead in episodes 1 and 2.

My guess for the overall storyline: the company running Westworld is using as a testing ground for developing more and more humanlike robots which they will then unleash on the rest of the world and use them to acquire political office and other powerful positions.

Mirage
10-15-2016, 05:38 AM
that's what i think they're up to too, del. that, or political assassinations, undercover operations in foreign countries. these machines would never defect, and if they were captured, no amount of torture or coercion would make them give up any secrets. of course, unless they were hacked, but naturally, like every company making technology, they think their own products won't be hacked because they've hack-proofed their products sufficiently :p. Of course, they could just be programmed to self-destruct if captured. I'm sure certain governments would pay good money for a perfect agent

Shaibana
10-15-2016, 04:49 PM
Hello! Shai here, reporting for duty *salutes*

this show had me hooked imediatly!

Slothy
10-15-2016, 05:19 PM
that's what i think they're up to too, del. that, or political assassinations, undercover operations in foreign countries. these machines would never defect, and if they were captured, no amount of torture or coercion would make them give up any secrets. of course, unless they were hacked, but naturally, like every company making technology, they think their own products won't be hacked because they've hack-proofed their products sufficiently :p. Of course, they could just be programmed to self-destruct if captured. I'm sure certain governments would pay good money for a perfect agent

Never mind governments. If you owned a company that can make these things why not just use them yourself? Any government or agency you want will be in your pocket soon enough. Plus, if any were found out everyone would immediately know who made them. Best to have more in place to be able to cover it up or make it look like the situation is being dealt with when it's not really.

I can't help but think of the Secret Invasion Marvel series when I ponder this actually.

Marshall Banana
10-16-2016, 06:36 AM
I like all the actors in the show (they're amazing), but what the show is putting forward is so impractical (and sometimes pretentious) that I'm annoyed watching it. I can't adequately articulate how I feel about it, but how the story is presented makes it impossible for me to suspend disbelief and accept its reality -- maybe because of what it chooses to focus on. I dunno. Examples below.



Why is Westworld a physical location instead of a digital one?
The invincibility of humans who visit Westworld -- this is the big one once I realized that Westworld is supposed to be real and not a virtual reality. Maybe I misunderstood, but how could this possibly work? Episode 2 seemed to insinuate that there are special guns that can cause damage (the ones given to humans before they enter Westworld). What happens if a robot takes one of those? What about knives, heavy furniture, and fisticuffs? Ed Harris' character encounters violence from the bots (like James Marsden's character in episode 1 and the lawmen in episode 2) but they use only guns. Are the bots programmed to use only guns assigned to them no matter what? Because it seemed like Dolores found one of the human's guns and will be able to kill humans now, but I don't know if that's a flaw in her programming or what. Also, what happens if a human shoots another human? Are the guns supposed to be smart enough to not fire at a human? I feel like this is a slippery concept, and they'll have trouble writing around this. This is already killing the plot for me.
How are there enough rich people who want to rape and murder (including entire families who visit this place and experience horrifying violence, like the shootout in town) to sustain this business?

Mirage
10-16-2016, 11:28 AM
It's possible that virtual reality that looks and feels as real as this hasn't been made yet.

I'm thinking not *all* visitors are there to rape and murder. Kill, sure, but not just gun down indiscriminately. As explained, the world gets more and more violent the further from town you go, so perhaps families just stay close to town if they don't want things to get completely crazy. Of course, there was that shootout with the bandits in town, but that was an extraordinary event that was staged just to cover up the fact that something like a hundred hosts were missing from the world.

The hosts are programmed not to harm humans by any means, even if they got a hold of something like a knife. Of course, accidents happen, and this is actually described in the terms of use that players have to agree to when they enter. There have been deaths there in the past. I think it's using some sort of "smart" bullet that would disintegrate if it hits humans. Of course, they need some time to detect and react to that, which is why that host couldn't fire at the man in black at point blank range. His programming determined that this would probably hurt the human significantly. I also think the gun Dolores found might be something else than just a player's gun. I was thinking it was perhaps planted there, and is in fact a real gun with normal ammo.

Slothy
10-16-2016, 01:36 PM
Yeah, what Mirage said for the most part. A lot of those questions were answered either directly or hinted at in the show. Especially hosts not being able to harm humans. And Dolores definitely has some things happening with her program. It's been heavily implied that the problems that affected her father have passed to her, and it seems she might have passed it to the one running the brothel. I'm not convinced it's actually a matter of faulty code though. I think the update either included code to secretly awaken them to what's been going on, or there's a flaw that has started to awaken them and she's simply processing it all better than her father was able to.

As for how there are enough people who have the money to go there, I'd imagine it's a pretty massive attraction. The sort of thing that many middle class families and individuals might be willing to spend years saving for. Not to mention there are a lot of people in the world who, while probably not mega rich, have earnings into the millions per year. A quick google search tells me that even in 2009 it was more than 230,000 in the US alone. There's a lot of potential customers is what I'm getting at. And even still, they basically all but said in the last episode that the park is one part of the business but that there's a bigger picture beyond that. Likely the park isn't even the most lucrative facet of this technology.

Del Murder
10-17-2016, 07:00 PM
This show does require you to suspend your disbelief more than most, but smurf it, it's about wild west robots. Just enjoy the ride.

Psychotic
10-18-2016, 02:11 PM
So latest episode I found myself getting invested in the Wyatt storyline but then sort of stopped myself as I realised it wasn't real and scripted. And then I remembered the entire show isn't real and scripted so what the hell, may as well carry on the ride.

Slothy
10-18-2016, 02:49 PM
So latest episode I found myself getting invested in the Wyatt storyline but then sort of stopped myself as I realised it wasn't real and scripted. And then I remembered the entire show isn't real and scripted so what the hell, may as well carry on the ride.

Seemed to me they were bullet proof too so poor Teddy is never getting his revenge since it's people joining up with Wyatt and butchering him as usual.

Psychotic
10-18-2016, 03:29 PM
I hadn't even considered that. Nice thinking.

Del Murder
10-18-2016, 06:32 PM
It's hard for me to get into the host storylines even though it is exactly as you say, Psy.

I guess it's the same for me with video games. Take the obvious parallel, Red Dead Redemption. The NPCs are programmed to play out their roles and engage in certain behaviors whether you interact with them or not, but I never really cared about anything that happened with them and I barely interact with the background. I only cared about John Marston's storyline since that was the real story that I was a part of.

Slothy
10-18-2016, 09:50 PM
Considering the hosts stories help inform who they are and they're very clearly starting to go way off script and learn what's been happening to them I couldn't be more interested honestly. Who these hosts are matters, whether their stories are made up or not.

Shaibana
10-19-2016, 03:26 PM
well.. thats the entire core of the show, isnt it? Robots that become aware of what they are and what has been done to them
maybe i misunderstood but am i feeling a starting dislike for this show? D:

i was already a bit 'angry' that the guests couldnt get shot and that they didnt even feel a thing like the old man in the first 2 episodes.. so i was glad when the new guest ( i dont know his name) did feel a shot.. wouldnt be realistic if they didnt feel anything at all. i'm guessing he is used to it after 30 years?

p.s i dislike that obvious badguy English prick :l he's gonna mess stuff up with his new storylines.
just like Elsie..

Psychotic
10-19-2016, 03:28 PM
I just call "the new guest" Liam McPoyle.

Miriel
10-20-2016, 12:54 AM
I find the show super interesting so far and there's so many great actors in it. But every episode I've watched, I keep having this thought in my head of, "How are they going to sustain this?"

I can absolutely see this running as a mini series, but the whole concept is just so singular that I can't imagine unpacking it for multiple seasons, which I think is the intent of the showrunners? They've mentioned already having plotted out 4-5 seasons but I'm pretty dubious.

I can already see how they're trying to expand the mythology of the show, but ultimately I think we all know the basic outline of the show. Robots are human play things. Robots gain sentience. Robot revenge. Right? I could see them spreading out the scope of the show to include the corporate interests, religious angles and whatnot, but still, I wonder about the sustainability of the show. And it's not like Abrams has a good track record with creating mythologies and sustaining them. A lot of his projects just unravel in unpleasant ways as it chugs along.

Anyway, putting all that aside, I gotta say that I really really appreciate the fact that the show doesn't *actually* depict the rape scenes in gratuitous ways like some other HBO shows (looking at you GOT!). It's implied and it's horrific and the consequences of the trauma are already apparent (although I assume it will become even more of an issue as the characters gain more sentience) but it's not shown with the typical male gaze in mind and I appreciate that.

Also, I love James Marsden in almost everything he does and I hope he can survive a full episode soon. We've only gotten snippets of them together but I hope Teddy and Dolores make it together in the end (though Marsden almost never gets the girl!!). I'm already invested in those two and want them to kill all the rapists and live happily ever after. I honestly don't care for the human overlords that much, and I fucking hate most of the guests.

Slothy
10-20-2016, 01:21 AM
I'd normally be worried about anything Abrams is involved in but he doesn't seem to be writing, directing, or otherwise doing anything day to day I can find and most of the other people involved are more talented than him so I'll ignore his involvement for now.

Shaibana
10-24-2016, 03:42 PM
i dont understand how they can fix the entire masacred saloon in 1 day/night without any guests noticing.

Slothy
10-24-2016, 07:42 PM
Who says the guests don't? They're in on it so just tell them it's closed for the evening.

Psychotic
10-25-2016, 08:27 AM
I'm still not sure on what the cycle is for the park - sometimes it seems like things are reset daily but then you have camping out for longer adventures and things like Hector being broken out in 3 days time. Not a huge deal to me anyway.

Anyway, everything Ed Harris touches in this show turns to fucking gold.

Shaibana
10-25-2016, 03:37 PM
i believe every character has its own cycle. some have 1 day, others 3 days etc depending on theire storyline.

but the park is all about a realistic experience in the west... it wouldnt be realistic if you see the cleanup crew every night.

Ed Harris is epic. i thought he was going to be the one to hate but i really love him now

Del Murder
10-25-2016, 07:55 PM
Ed Harris still raped an increasingly self-aware robot, so he doesn't get a pass from me. But his scenes were great in this episode. Love the hints dropped about who he and William are on the outside as you gradually get to know them. I'm actually far more interested in them than any of the robots, though Paolo and the main hooker lady are growing on me.

Interesting that Ed Harris's exploding cigar was a somewhat of a 'cheat code' in the park that they had to authorize at master control. That means they do know who he is and maybe even what he is up to, and yet don't seem to care. It's possible the maze is something people are intended to find as sort of metagame on top of the usual wild west shenanigans.

Probably my favorite episode so far.

Psychotic
10-25-2016, 09:43 PM
After that brief flashback Dolores had of the incident in episode 3, me and the WW fans at work no longer think he raped her. We think he was going after some information relating to the maze just as he has with all the other hosts. I don't think it's a coincidence that they both are the two characters most concerned with it.

Slothy
10-25-2016, 09:49 PM
I'm still not sure on what the cycle is for the park - sometimes it seems like things are reset daily but then you have camping out for longer adventures and things like Hector being broken out in 3 days time. Not a huge deal to me anyway.

It's possible that they only reset when not actively engaged in a story with guests.

Del Murder
10-25-2016, 10:11 PM
After that brief flashback Dolores had of the incident in episode 3, me and the WW fans at work no longer think he raped her. We think he was going after some information relating to the maze just as he has with all the other hosts. I don't think it's a coincidence that they both are the two characters most concerned with it.
That makes sense and maybe he didn't rape her this time but it's clear that he's done so many times over the years as he mentions how she 'fights it' and the whole scenario is very familiar to him. She may have been less sentient at the time, but it is hard to root for a guy who forces sex on a humanlike non-sexbot.

Mirage
10-26-2016, 09:41 AM
well, as far as he's concerned, they are just robots, right? very few people know that some of them are self aware. Would he have killed them if he thought they were self-aware? Would he have scalped them? Would he have shot a little girl's mother in the head while she was looking if he thought they were self-aware? I dunno. Maybe? My point is just that if we're going to judge the players based on what they do to sentient robots when they don't know they're sentient, then basically 80% of the guests are horrible human beings deserving the death penalty. Some of these guests just indiscriminately slaughters entire families for fun, remember

Del Murder
10-26-2016, 06:53 PM
Well, sentient or not, 80% of the guests probably are horrible human beings, but that's a topic for another day.

Psychotic
10-26-2016, 11:31 PM
How many of us have played a game like GTA and gone on the rampage, smurfing up everyone's trout for no other reason than fun? This is just the same principle with more advanced technology.

To the best of my knowledge the NPCs I killed were not sentient nor remember what I did so I don't feel any guilt over it. Sure, they ran away screaming and cried out in pain when I shot them, but that was just their programming. It's part of making a realistic experience. If I was suddenly made aware that actually they have the same cognition as the hosts in Westworld I would feel like an almighty piece of trout and wouldn't do it again. But they don't... I hope ;)

Del Murder
10-26-2016, 11:47 PM
Hey man, I never said any of you guys were great...

Also, there's a difference between taking your GTA character into a van with a hooker and sticking your actual penis into a robot that is pleading for you not to do it.

I guess it will be interesting to see how Ed Harris and the other guests react to the knowledge of the robots becoming self-aware, and if they continue to do what they've always been doing, since there seems to be no dispute that you are horrible person at that point.

Slothy
10-27-2016, 12:10 AM
Yeah, there's a big difference between the likes of GTA and raping and murdering robots made to pass for real people to the point where their bodies are indistinguishable from human bodies at the surface level and who are able to interact and pass for human if you don't talk about things they're not allowed to talk about.

It's not actually a question of whether they're sentient, it's whether you could tell that kind of determines if you're an asshole or not. When they're this realistic and you still don't even hesitate for a second, there may be something wrong with you.

Mirage
10-27-2016, 06:53 AM
Hey man, I never said any of you guys were great...

Also, there's a difference between taking your GTA character into a van with a hooker and sticking your actual penis into a robot that is pleading for you not to do it.

I guess it will be interesting to see how Ed Harris and the other guests react to the knowledge of the robots becoming self-aware, and if they continue to do what they've always been doing, since there seems to be no dispute that you are horrible person at that point.

The only difference is the level of realism. Fast forward a decade or so, perhaps, and we might have VR games where the NPCs act nearly as human as these, and might look so real that it would be hard to tell the graphics apart from actual video of humans. Would you be a horrible person for killing an innocent NPC who begged for their life just for fun? You could say that you as the player would be *pretty sure* that these NPCs in your game did not have any sort of self awareness, and you'd probably be right.

However, for all we know, strong AI with self awareness might not have been invented in the world Westworld takes place in either. The characters in this show are basically computers with computer programs running inside them. Why should the players assume that for some reason these programs were self aware when no other program in the entire world is? I mean they're just playing a game, why would game characters have self awareness when this doesn't even exist in state of the art computer research projects? Are the actions of the player any worse when they are done to a self-aware program without a physical body than one that does have one? I don't think so. Putting more value to a physical body than a virtual body might be natural for a human to do, as they physical world is the only real world they know, but isn't that sort of discriminatory towards lifeforms that don't have physical form?

Or to make another extreme example. This might be a bit graphic so be warned.

What if there was a westworld character with the same personality and perceived intelligence as one of the humanoid robots, except this robot was a metal box with wheels. Is putting a bullet in this robot less evil than putting a bullet in the innocent young woman robot's head? What about putting your penis inside these two robots (lets assume the metal box has something resembling a bodily orifice that isn't uncomfortable to use)?

Psychotic
10-27-2016, 11:08 AM
Also, there's a difference between taking your GTA character into a van with a hooker and sticking your actual penis into a robot that is pleading for you not to do it.Is there a difference between shooting someone in the face yourself and, say, using a drone to do it as you control it through a screen from thousands of miles away?

Loony BoB
10-27-2016, 04:20 PM
Damn, you guys gettin' all philosophical in here. I'm just intrigued by the entire story and am leaving it at that. xD I don't want to overthink it to the point that it loses the story and becomes a research paper. Interesting thoughts all around, though.

I don't know who Paolo is that Murd mentioned in an earlier post...?

Del Murder
10-27-2016, 09:14 PM
The outlaw who comes to town every 3 days to shoot everyone up is Paolo from Lost. Probably my favorite robot character. Should learn his name.

Del Murder
10-27-2016, 10:27 PM
Also, there's a difference between taking your GTA character into a van with a hooker and sticking your actual penis into a robot that is pleading for you not to do it.Is there a difference between shooting someone in the face yourself and, say, using a drone to do it as you control it through a screen from thousands of miles away?
There's not a lot of difference, no. But the killing is not all that bothersome. If you shoot some robot in the face with a gun or you doing by controlling a drone through a screen, it is still somewhat external to you. You are controlling a device (gun/controller) and the device is doing the killing. Especially if it is the 'bad guy' and part of the 'game' to do this. Even if you are shooting good guys, you are playing some role and it is part of the game design to play like this.

Sex, particularly rape, is very different than this. It is intrinsically internal. Controlling a drone dick and putting it in some VR character who is screaming for you not to do it and writhing in pain as you do, and getting pleasure from that, puts you on the same spectrum as someone who would do that with their own flesh dick. The flesh dicker is just so much worse because it is so much more real for them, but both people are pretty messed up.

Same as if you, say, mutilated these robots while they were still 'alive' or shot every man woman, or child in sight. There is still the line between doing this in a fantasy world with no consequences and doing it in reality to real people, which of course separates people from being criminals from simply being disturbed, but there is another line that separates the disturbed from the non-disturbed based on what level of torture, even fake, gives you pleasure.

A lot of the guests in Westworld are disturbed. They are probably not criminals. Hell, crime is probably down in this world since you can satisfy these urges legally in this fantasy world (if you can afford it).

Shaibana
10-28-2016, 01:27 PM
The outlaw who comes to town every 3 days to shoot everyone up is Paolo from Lost. Probably my favorite robot character. Should learn his name.

we dont know Paolo from lost, so lets just keep it at Hector :P

Shaibana
10-28-2016, 02:26 PM
p.s i dislike that obvious badguy English prick :l he's gonna mess stuff up with his new storylines.
just like Elsie..

he reminds me of this guy
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ayL0ebp_460sv.mp4

i dont like their excesive use of 'fuck'

Psychotic
10-28-2016, 02:57 PM
The outlaw who comes to town every 3 days to shoot everyone up is Paolo from Lost. Probably my favorite robot character. Should learn his name.

we dont know Paolo from lost, so lets just keep it at Hector :PJust one of a couple of jabronis.

Shaibana
10-29-2016, 03:54 PM
since the hype around this show isnt that big here and on the internet in general ( :( ) i feel safe enough to watch it a day later on HBO On Demand on the tv :3
since it airs here at 03:00 in the night on a monday i'll watch it on tuesday

edit: ooh, its also on 20:30 but i dont have time then

Miriel
10-30-2016, 10:05 AM
How many of us have played a game like GTA and gone on the rampage, smurfing up everyone's trout for no other reason than fun? This is just the same principle with more advanced technology.

To the best of my knowledge the NPCs I killed were not sentient nor remember what I did so I don't feel any guilt over it. Sure, they ran away screaming and cried out in pain when I shot them, but that was just their programming. It's part of making a realistic experience. If I was suddenly made aware that actually they have the same cognition as the hosts in Westworld I would feel like an almighty piece of trout and wouldn't do it again. But they don't... I hope ;)

Um, I haven't!! And hell no it's not the same principle. The possibilities that exist within technology absolutely impact who we are as people and also impacts what the hell "real" even means. Are you people not watching Black Mirror??!

I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine. We're not talking about a court of law here, we're talking about who you are as a person. I would argue that deriving pleasure from directly creating and participating in causing perceived misery of others makes you pretty fucked up, regardless of whether that misery is a series of program code spitting out natural reactions relevant to the situation.

Del Murder
10-31-2016, 06:30 PM
Loved the Anthony Hopkins 'hey I know what you're doing and can stop it any time I choose but go ahead and have fun, k?' scene in this episode. Also I keep forgetting his character's name so I'm just going to refer to him as John Hammond.

Psychotic
10-31-2016, 11:57 PM
Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?


I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine. But I'm not arguing that's not the case :p I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?

Mirage
11-01-2016, 05:04 AM
Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?


I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine. But I'm not arguing that's not the case :p I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?
Oh there definitely are, and they are, unsurprisingly, japanese.

Shaibana
11-01-2016, 05:05 PM
meh, i'm thinking wrong..

monday 03:00 is in my mind after 00:00 monday evening. but thats already tuesday :3
so when i get home on monday i can already watch it... yay!

Del Murder
11-01-2016, 06:16 PM
But I'm not arguing that's not the case :p I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

I don't think there is a line. Like porn at EoFF, you know it when you see it. Actually, it's more like a spectrum. Obviously committing the crime of rape to a human being is on one end. Your robot penis example may not be as close to it as sticking your flesh penis in a humanoid fleshy robot but it's still on the rapist spectrum.

The only line is what makes you a criminal, and that's a really important line, but this discussion isn't about who is or isn't a criminal.

Miriel
11-02-2016, 01:28 AM
Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?


I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine. But I'm not arguing that's not the case :p I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?
Oh there definitely are, and they are, unsurprisingly, japanese.

In your robot dick example, yes, that does make someone as much of a scumbag.

If you've seen the White Christmas episode of Black Mirror, it deals with what people are willing to do to "lines of code" or programs that they don't view as having the same level of consideration as human people. And it is utterly and completely horrifying.

This is what I mean by technology having huge implications on morality and ethics. And the better the technology gets, the more those issues are going to be pronounced. The fact that one technology is an extension of another, doesn't mean that technology as a catch all can be assumed to be separate from our humanity. The technology in West World is good enough so that the hosts in the world believe that they are real, and they believe that are experiencing the things that are happening to them. And on a level that even some of the people in the show don't realize, they are beginning to have sentience outside of what was initially programmed into them. So the argument that they aren't being brutalized doesn't really fly because of the whole consciousness aspect. But even without consciousness, you still have to contend with what people are willing to do to robots, which says more about that person than it does about the technology or the robots.

Maybe I'm pessimistic but I think the better our technology gets, the more the horrible side of people will rise to the surface. :(

McLovin'
11-05-2016, 06:42 PM
Caught up with the show. Love it. There's a game called Talos Principle and I think it'll end the same way as that game. The AI's reach consciousness by being freed from the game and get downloaded into an outside body or robot.

Also call me crazy but the song on the OST "No Surprises" sounds so much like Garnet's theme. I think most of the music reminds me of FF9's world, do you hear it?

Rantz
11-08-2016, 06:36 PM
Ahhh this latest episode was so good. Maeve! MAEVE. I expect she's going to have a LOT of fun.

Why do shows nowadays have intros that last ages though? Like, Westworld's and many others are really well made and I can appreciate them one or two times but after that, I just wanna see the show, not sit through one and a half minutes of something I've seen before!

Psychotic
11-08-2016, 07:19 PM
Yeah! Maeve is a beast. And I fully agree about the intro, it was cool seeing it once but now it's kinda ehhh. Lost did it right!

Slothy
11-08-2016, 08:30 PM
Technically Seinfeld was doing it right first. Though I don't mind the intro. I could watch that thing all day. Of course some of us aren't youngins spoiled on intros tailored to their small attention spans.

Psychotic
11-08-2016, 09:26 PM
Must've been a long 18 months :p

Slothy
11-08-2016, 09:30 PM
I was walking and conversing before you were even born son. :p

Del Murder
11-08-2016, 10:37 PM
Netflix's intros are also super long but you can fast forward them. You can also fast forward the intro on HBO Go/Now but the screen gives you no indication of where you are stopping at so you have to guess. Even in the old VCR days you can see the scenes moving in fast motion to know when to stop it. Why is Netflix the only company with a robust fast forward feature? Is the technology proprietary?

Loony BoB
11-11-2016, 03:27 PM
Another example of a great intro: Scrubs.

Del Murder
11-11-2016, 05:53 PM
Game of Thrones has one of the best long intros because those models are amazing and it also changes based on what locations and characters will be featured in the episode.

Rantz
11-11-2016, 10:53 PM
Yeah, I do appreciate the GoT intro despite its length because it changes between episodes.

Psychotic
11-15-2016, 10:30 PM
Shit just went down

Slothy
11-15-2016, 11:42 PM
Doesn't look like anything to me.

McLovin'
11-16-2016, 01:30 AM
Doesn't look like anything to me.

This comment doesn't look like anything to me.

Shaibana
11-16-2016, 03:57 PM
omg, gotta love Hopkins.. killing her in cold blood :O
he will Not go down easy!

p.s This thread doesn't look like anything to me.

Mirage
11-17-2016, 07:52 AM
omg, gotta love Hopkins.. killing her in cold blood :O
he will Not go down easy!

p.s This thread doesn't look like anything to me.
Haven't you heard of spoiler tags? Thanks a lot.

McLovin'
11-17-2016, 01:55 PM
Notice we didn't see Bernard's name at the bottom of the paper like Dolores? CAS HE'S FUCKING THE OG ARNOLD

Rantz
11-17-2016, 03:49 PM
Aw man that was a great episode! Did not have even an inkling about that twist until the "What door?" line. Now I'm speculating about all the staff though.

We'd better get to see what happened to Elsie by next episode though or somebody's getting fired.

Shaibana
11-17-2016, 05:29 PM
omg, gotta love Hopkins.. killing her in cold blood :O
he will Not go down easy!

p.s This thread doesn't look like anything to me.
Haven't you heard of spoiler tags? Thanks a lot.

ooh sorry, i kinda asumed it was like the GoT and TWD thread..

sorry D:

Mirage
11-17-2016, 05:52 PM
everyone else has been spoilertagging things so far

Slothy
11-17-2016, 07:19 PM
Spoiler tags ultimately seem a bit silly to me in a thread that's discussing a show that's running right now. We should all pretty much be aware that each week people are going to be talking about the newest episode and just avoid the thread until we see it.

Loony BoB
11-17-2016, 09:25 PM
Announcement: Spoilers: How and when to use them (http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/167188-Announcement-Spoilers-How-and-when-to-use-them)


- If the episode has aired and the TV series' name is in the title of the thread, spoilers should be assumed to be within the content of the thread.

Spoilers are a common topic and that was the end result of it.

Every single episode leaves me going "...damn". So ....damn. Seriously, the second he said "What door?" my mind was blown.

Del Murder
11-17-2016, 10:15 PM
Those spoilers don't look like anything to me.

Mirage
11-18-2016, 06:32 AM
I'm well aware of all this. As I said, everything else in the thread has been spoilertagged, so kinda thought it was gonna continue that way.

McLovin'
11-21-2016, 04:44 PM
Teddy killed a minotaur. A minotaur at what is probably guarding the maze.

Man in Black: Do you want to know who I am? I'm...Wi- A god.

Damnit!!!

Del Murder
11-21-2016, 05:56 PM
Ha, didn't catch the Minotaur thing.

Ford is crazy, but he made a good point about humans being comfortable in our loops and being told what to do.

Rantz
11-21-2016, 06:58 PM
It was a good point, but I think as an answer to Bernard's question it was a bit of a cop-out. "What's the difference between my mind and yours?" "Consciousness doesn't exist because we're all stuck in our loops so you're not missing out"

Also did I miss something, or does not even Ford realise the memory erasure isn't 100% effective?

Del Murder
11-21-2016, 07:19 PM
No, I don't think he realizes how deep Arnold's hack goes. If there is an Arnold.

Freya
11-21-2016, 08:26 PM
NOT READING ANY OF THESE POSTS:

I just started this show this past weekend. Only two in but wow is it original. I'll catch up to everyone. Great show though!

starlet
11-22-2016, 04:41 AM
I just want to add that the soundtrack keeps getting better each ep :love:

McLovin'
11-22-2016, 06:55 AM
I just want to add that the soundtrack keeps getting better each ep :love:

yes that house of the rising sun piano was surprising to hear! Really liked it.

Mirage
11-22-2016, 07:37 AM
I don't recognize any of these piano songs

Shaibana
11-22-2016, 03:52 PM
I don't recognize any of these piano songs

lol. Me neither

that scene with maeve telling others what to do was hilarious xD

Araciel
11-22-2016, 11:30 PM
freakin' kids. The song choice seems to be so people in my demographic will be like 'awww nice radiohead'

great show great cast just plain great

starlet
11-23-2016, 12:11 AM
I don't recognize any of these piano songs

Wtf who are you


Even

Mirage
11-23-2016, 04:30 AM
freakin' kids. The song choice seems to be so people in my demographic will be like 'awww nice radiohead'

great show great cast just plain great

I wonder how many 70's and 80's electronic songs you'd recognize

Araciel
11-23-2016, 05:57 AM
freakin' kids. The song choice seems to be so people in my demographic will be like 'awww nice radiohead'

great show great cast just plain great

I wonder how many 70's and 80's electronic songs you'd recognize

and if we were talking about a show that featured some, i'd be the one saying i didn't recognize anything... but here we are.

Mirage
11-23-2016, 08:02 AM
That's besides the point :p

Shaibana
11-28-2016, 04:41 PM
Great episode :D

1 thing bothers me: surely someone would remember or atleast have known arnold through the media and recognize him?

Slothy
11-28-2016, 05:05 PM
Great episode :D

1 thing bothers me: surely someone would remember or atleast have known arnold through the media and recognize him?

Do you know anyone who worked with Bill Gates to start Microsoft? Did any of us even know Bill Gates before Windows? Ten years after Microsofts founding, though if we're honest, how many of us really knew much or gave a shit about them until Windows 3.0 15 years after the company was founded?

If Arnold was reclusive enough, died before the park became a really big hit, and they were very incentivized by what he did to scrub him from the records, it makes sense to me no one who wasn't there doesn't know about him.

Psychotic
11-28-2016, 09:15 PM
This show gets more and more mindblowing. ...literally, I guess.

Rantz
11-28-2016, 09:26 PM
For whatever reason - not because I've given it a lot of thought or anything like that - the twists this episode didn't really shock me. On some level I feel like I was kinda subconsciously expecting them. Not sure what I based it on. Anyone else, or were y'all pretty surprised?

McLovin'
11-29-2016, 08:37 PM
Not surprised, no. But still excellently revealed. And I didng expect the Dolores/Arnold reveal at the very end.

Honestly after this episode I'm team Ford and Logan. Ford just wants the hosts to be happy in the park. Why become humanlike and suffer like humanity suffers. Especially if they want to leave and join the outside world. They'll get ostracised. Ford is a good God keeping his creations under control. Arnold is altruistic and his actions will cause unforeseen consequences as Ford knows. And Logan just wants to bond with his brodie. Sure he's a douche but least he isn't falling in love with a sex robot like William. I get we know William is right buy cmon you can try to explain it to Logan without sounding crazy! Logan even saw evidence of it when Dolores spoke back to him

Shaibana
11-30-2016, 04:06 PM
Great episode :D

1 thing bothers me: surely someone would remember or atleast have known arnold through the media and recognize him?

Do you know anyone who worked with Bill Gates to start Microsoft? Did any of us even know Bill Gates before Windows? Ten years after Microsofts founding, though if we're honest, how many of us really knew much or gave a trout about them until Windows 3.0 15 years after the company was founded?

If Arnold was reclusive enough, died before the park became a really big hit, and they were very incentivized by what he did to scrub him from the records, it makes sense to me no one who wasn't there doesn't know about him.

aah right, that makes sense :3

Del Murder
11-30-2016, 10:08 PM
The Arnold reveal was great. Makes you rethink some of the scenes from earlier episodes.

Has the William/Delores storyline crossed over with any others yet? My wife and I have a theory as to how that one plays out.

Rantz
12-01-2016, 08:51 PM
The Arnold reveal was great. Makes you rethink some of the scenes from earlier episodes.

Has the William/Delores storyline crossed over with any others yet? My wife and I have a theory as to how that one plays out.
If you're getting at what I think you are, I saw someone mention that theory a while back and so far I haven't seen anything that would preclude that, which makes it seem all the more likely given how much screentime they've had to disprove it.

Del Murder
12-01-2016, 09:23 PM
Ok, well here it is for those interested:

The William/Delores storyline is actually in the past and Ed Harris is actually William in the present. The existence of robots who don't age actually makes playing with time rather easy!

Rantz
12-01-2016, 11:10 PM
Ok, well here it is for those interested:

The William/Delores storyline is actually in the past and Ed Harris is actually William in the present. The existence of robots who don't age actually makes playing with time rather easy!
Yep, that's what I figured you meant. It seems likely. I did as it happens think of a snag, though (I'm sure this has been discussed at great length on reddit etc., but): In an earlier episode, HQ realised Dolores had deviated quite far from her loop and sent someone out to grab her (which was stopped by William coming out of a saloon or something). In HQ, Luke Hemsworth's character (blonde security dude or whatever he is) is. This appears to be part of the same timeline, and I know we've seen that guy in the supposed "present". Could be that he is also a host, though.

Miriel
12-04-2016, 01:30 AM
This show is really really good.

Jinx
12-04-2016, 06:51 PM
Ok, well here it is for those interested:

The William/Delores storyline is actually in the past and Ed Harris is actually William in the present. The existence of robots who don't age actually makes playing with time rather easy!

This theory actually makes a LOT of sense.

The picture Logan showed William of his sister was the picture that Dolores' father found, except his was buried and faded. Also the fact that Logan--and thus William--have connections to the park, and Ed Harris is on the board. And it explains how Lawrence was basically in two places at once--in Pariah, and with Ed Harris/dead. And when Ed Harris mentions his dead wife, he says they were married 30 years, and he told Dolores in the first episode he'd been coming to Westworld for 30 years.

Also William went really smurfing psychotic there in the end, didn't he?

And when she runs away from the camp, her stab wound is gone.

If this theory is true--which the more I think about it the more convinced I am--I'm really, REALLY curious to see what happens next.

Anyways, I watch this entire show over the last 24 hours. I was hooked within 10 minutes. Basically when Dolores wakes up and starts her day all over again.

Jinx
12-04-2016, 06:54 PM
Ok, well here it is for those interested:

The William/Delores storyline is actually in the past and Ed Harris is actually William in the present. The existence of robots who don't age actually makes playing with time rather easy!

This theory actually makes a LOT of sense.

The picture Logan showed William of his sister was the picture that Dolores' father found, except his was buried and faded. Also the fact that Logan--and thus William--have connections to the park, and Ed Harris is on the board. And it explains how Lawrence was basically in two places at once--in Pariah, and with Ed Harris/dead. And when Ed Harris mentions his dead wife, he says they were married 30 years, and he told Dolores in the first episode he'd been coming to Westworld for 30 years.

Also William went really smurfing psychotic there in the end, didn't he?

And when she runs away from the camp, her stab wound is gone.

If this theory is true--which the more I think about it the more convinced I am--I'm really, REALLY curious to see what happens next.

Anyways, I watch this entire show over the last 24 hours. I was hooked within 10 minutes. Basically when Dolores wakes up and starts her day all over again.

FUCK FUCK

AND where they keep the decommissioned robots is in the OLD ENTRANCE to Westworld--the one that we see William and Logan entering.

Dude, this theory

Jinx
12-05-2016, 04:39 AM
That was really, really satisfying to watch.

Also, Hector is my bae.

Shaibana
12-05-2016, 04:34 PM
Ok, well here it is for those interested:

The William/Delores storyline is actually in the past and Ed Harris is actually William in the present. The existence of robots who don't age actually makes playing with time rather easy!

aw snap! you called it!

did you guess that or did you actually know it?

very satsifying season end indeed. im very curious where this is going

Del Murder
12-05-2016, 05:39 PM
Haha, no I don't know anyone at HBO or anything. There were some hints that this was the case. I think a lot of people suspected it. Also full credit for this goes to Miriel since she originally brought it up.

Explosive end to an explosive first season. I'm a little concerned that they are going with a fairly generic angle but I'm excited to see what twist the plan to put on it.

Jinx
12-05-2016, 07:00 PM
The more I think about the finale, the more unhappy I am. I mean, don't get me wrong, I thought it was BRILLIANT story-telling and I enjoyed it a lot. And I was still satisfied with the Red Board Meeting and the rising of the robot army but my heart is breaking that William is indeed the Man in Black. Sweet William, darling Jimmi Simpson becomes the evilest fucker on the show and torments the woman he once loved. I hate it. :(

Rantz
12-05-2016, 08:15 PM
Great finale!

Psychotic
12-05-2016, 10:08 PM
Wow. Fucking wow.
but my heart is breaking that William is indeed the Man in Black. Sweet William, darling Jimmi Simpson becomes the evilest fucker on the show and torments the woman he once loved. I hate it. :(No, that's the beauty of it. Just one more victim of Westworld. These violent delights have violent ends.

Shaibana
12-06-2016, 04:37 PM
Wow. smurfing wow.
but my heart is breaking that William is indeed the Man in Black. Sweet William, darling Jimmi Simpson becomes the evilest smurfer on the show and torments the woman he once loved. I hate it. :(No, that's the beauty of it. Just one more victim of Westworld. These violent delights have violent ends.

doesnt make it less sad :( (young) william was such a sweetheart!!

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a4Zz0Zv_700b.jpg

Miriel
12-06-2016, 11:39 PM
Haha, no I don't know anyone at HBO or anything. There were some hints that this was the case. I think a lot of people suspected it. Also full credit for this goes to Miriel since she originally brought it up.

Explosive end to an explosive first season. I'm a little concerned that they are going with a fairly generic angle but I'm excited to see what twist the plan to put on it.

I had an inkling that there were multiple timelines going on a few episodes in, but still early on in the season.

And what was really interesting about the experience of watching this show was the for the first time in a LONG time, I didn't go online to read any theories or read recaps or analysis of the show as it was airing. I mean, that's the kind of stuff I loved doing since the days of Lost, and most recently, I'd been doing it a lot with Mr. Robot.

But once I got the sense that there was a lot going on in the show and that it was kind of a puzzle with layers revealing itself, I backed off totally and tried to go into this completely spoiler free. I avoided almost all discussions about this, except for with Del Murder, just guessing out loud while watching the show.

I gotta say, it was really really enjoyable watching it this way, without having a bunch of theories and whatnot jangling around in my head. It's similar to how I went into the movie Arrival. I knew next to nothing about the movie, and getting to actually experience the revelations as they came was really wonderful.

I really really loved how densely the show packed in the plot, and yet pretty masterfully revealed everything and also tied up a lot of loose ends, while still leaving a ton of questions for season 2. Really remarkable stuff. And the acting on this show is phenomenal. Nearly every single person on this show is doing great work. Anthony Hopkins of course and Evan Rachel Wood, but huge shoutout to Thandie Newton as Maeve. She's utterly riveting in every scene she's in.

Also, Felix doing little robot motions with his arms when he starts questioning his own humanness was the most adorable thing ever.

Shaibana
12-07-2016, 03:15 PM
i really hate spoilers etc. so i do not search for any theories.
ive seen the internet explode with GoT theories and so far ive managed to scroll them away before reading anything at all.

i dont hear anything about westworld at all tho :o

Movie trailers reveal so muhc these days that you've seen the entire movie after 2 trailers. so i'm not watching more then 1 trailer xD

Freya
12-08-2016, 03:27 PM
OH man I can't wait to actually read through this thread. We're on episode 5 now. Slow going in the Freya house hold but I am so enthralled. It's so original. I have no idea where it's going. Hector is :3 though. I know him from other things but I can't put my finger on it. I'm very pleased with this show and ashamed I didn't start it right away. at least i'm not SUPER behind by a year. I hear season 2 wont be until 2018 :(

EDIT: HECTOR IS XERXES IN 300!

Shaibana
12-08-2016, 06:04 PM
:(

EDIT: HECTOR IS XERXES IN 300!

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Surprised-Koala.jpg

Freya
12-08-2016, 06:47 PM
Oh all the music is now on Spotify today! (https://play.spotify.com/album/2poAUFGkHetMzM4xzLBVhY)

Jinx
12-13-2016, 09:53 PM
WOOT THANKS FOR SHARING FREYA

I need that Exit in my life yesterday


also this

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Shaibana
12-14-2016, 02:04 PM
jfc, jinx.... jfc xD

Bubba
12-30-2016, 01:25 AM
Finally finished this series tonight so I can finally read this smurfing thread.

You guys are awesome. Loved reading all your theories and discussions. I didn't care for Psy's robotic penis reveal... but I did have my suspicions.

Looking forward to forgetting everything that has just happened over the course of the next 15 months until season 2 starts.

Freya
01-11-2017, 09:21 PM
Yeah We finally finished this so I just read through the whole thread. Some of you were spot on in guessing!

I'm curious though about a few things:

Was the Maeve getting off the train programmed? She was apparently programmed to break out.
Who was the Board lady and the jerk writer dude trying to get the info to? It wouldn't be the board since they just got control of the park.
Why have bernard lead Theresa to find things out and then kill her? If he was planning on wiping out the board, why not wait a few days for her? Was that just to make bernard suffer more?
What actually happened to Logan?
It showed "the man in black" get shot only in the arm, is he alive??
Who were the previous hosts who "went insane"? Is this what happened to Dolores' dad?
What was with the Samurai Hosts? "it's complicated"
The note Maeve had said her daughter was in Park 1, there are more parks? Is the Samurai one?
Is Stubbs (Luke hemsworth) alive? Is Elsie alive?

A lot of this will be answered int the future. But that all came to mind for me.

Del Murder
01-11-2017, 09:32 PM
I think we are still meant to speculate how much of what Maeve does is programmed and how much isn't. It's possible they'll keep that vague for the whole series since that is really the core theme of the series.

The Samurais were definitely meant to imply multiple parks. How much we will ever see of feudal Japan park is anyone's guess, but considering the bias against casting a ton of Asians in lead roles, probably not much (I bet it's much cooler than Westworld though).

Elsie is probably dead, Luke Hemsworth who knows (and who cares), and Man In Black is most certainly alive. Half of season 1 was his backstory, they aren't just going to kill him like that.

Freya
01-11-2017, 09:50 PM
What would Samurai world be called? Please not Asiaworld.

Slothy
01-11-2017, 09:56 PM
Japan world? Edoworld? Land of the rising sun? Overrated (but gorgeous) sword place?

Jinx
01-11-2017, 10:06 PM
Considering it was called SW--probably Samurai World. (East World would've been better, imo.)

Freya
01-11-2017, 10:32 PM
Considering it was called SW--probably Samurai World. (East World would've been better, imo.)
Ohhhh Yeahhhhh that was a thing, the SW

Rantz
01-12-2017, 09:52 AM
I'm not sure if I mentioned this theory before, but I think Luke Hemsworth is probably fine due to being a host. He was the one ordering someone to go fetch Dolores from the town when young William came outside to say that she's with him, and he looked exactly the same back then.

Freya
01-12-2017, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure if I mentioned this theory before, but I think Luke Hemsworth is probably fine due to being a host. He was the one ordering someone to go fetch Dolores from the town when young William came outside to say that she's with him, and he looked exactly the same back then.

Wait.... what? I missed that!

Rantz
01-12-2017, 02:20 PM
I'm not sure if I mentioned this theory before, but I think Luke Hemsworth is probably fine due to being a host. He was the one ordering someone to go fetch Dolores from the town when young William came outside to say that she's with him, and he looked exactly the same back then.

Wait.... what? I missed that!

I just googled to see if I could find a video for reference, but apparently the argument has been made that it's ambiguous because present Dolores is travelling along the same route that she did with William, and in the next episode present Dolores *has* been pulled and is interviewed by Ford (who then presumably tells Stubbs nothing is wrong with her and sends her back on her solo adventure because he needs her there for his "new story"). So it may possibly have been just a manoeuvre to make the timeline stuff non-obvious.

Jinx
01-12-2017, 06:04 PM
It was definitely just editing. Especially because he asks, "Is she traveling with someone?" and the person responds that it's unclear.

Shaibana
01-13-2017, 04:38 PM
here are my thoughts on a couple of those questions:

Was the Maeve getting off the train programmed? She was apparently programmed to break out.
i dont believe the robots have a true free will. Meave´s breakout was programmed and planned, im sure her return is the same (tho i dont see for what purpose)

What actually happened to Logan?
he probably went home (with William). the picture does reveal that William married his sister.

It showed "the man in black" get shot only in the arm, is he alive??
i do think so, i'm pretty sure we are not yet done with William

Who were the previous hosts who "went insane"? Is this what happened to Dolores' dad?
yes, along with some other characters i cant name, they went insane and got shut down (the naked robots in the basement)

What was with the Samurai Hosts? "it's complicated"
perhaps a new park, 'eastworld'.. new stage, new stories :3 i would love to see that

The note Maeve had said her daughter was in Park 1, there are more parks? Is the Samurai one?
its 1 big park, but 'park 1' refers to a section

Is Stubbs (Luke hemsworth) alive? Is Elsie alive?
most likely. no, Bernard killed her, they showed that when Ford told Bernard that he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnnbyQ0g9c4

Freya
01-13-2017, 04:46 PM
The note Maeve had said her daughter was in Park 1, there are more parks? Is the Samurai one?
its 1 big park, but 'park 1' refers to a section

Is Stubbs (Luke hemsworth) alive? Is Elsie alive?
most likely. no, Bernard killed her, they showed that when Ford told Bernard that he did
No.

Park 1 Sector 15 Zone 3 is what the note said, park 1 is not the section, sector and zone would be sections.

And apparently in true ARG fashion...

She may not be.

They were able to find a secret page on the westworld website

https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/elsie-is-alive-westworld-700x533.jpg

That showed her ping location and an audio file of her voice saying "Hello? (http://delosincorporated.com/assets/transmission.mp4)" Apparently Ford never confirmed if he killed her to bernard. They showed him grab her, but not kill her. Elsie and Stubbs may still be alive and kept out of the way for the uprising.

In fact the website has a lot of crazy stuff happening to it. Apparently in-world, there is no more reservations being taken and the place is shut down. So :monster:

Looks like to fill the space between the seasons, since it wont be back until 2018, they're having fun with some ARG! Here's a site going over some of it! (http://www.slashfilm.com/westworld-year-is-elsie-alive/)


The Discover Westworld website (https://www.discoverwestworld.com/) has also been updated. We are now greeted with an incredibly distorted video image of William saying, “Your world was built for me. People like me, not for you.” And Dolores is answering, “Then someone better burn it clean.”

Jinx
01-13-2017, 08:54 PM
There's actually a definitive answer about Maeve getting off the train (given by the show writers), but I won't say what it is...PM me if you want to know!

Freya
07-23-2017, 06:25 AM
phFM3V_dors

Jinx
07-23-2017, 06:23 PM
2018 COULD MEAN SO MANY THINGS

WHEN IN 2018, HBO

ARE WE TALKING JANUARY

JUNE

DECEMBER

BE MORE SPECIFIC YOU TWATS

Shaibana
07-24-2017, 04:47 PM
OMG YEEAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
2018 tho :l we're almost there but it could be so fucking far away!
THE HUNT IS OOOOONNNN

Lone Wolf Leonhart
07-28-2017, 11:57 AM
I finally binged this over the past few days. I've had my eyes on it since release, but in the past few years I've only gotten HBO when Game of Thrones comes back on the air, so I took this opportunity to watch what I've been missing out on.

If I would have known just how much I'd love this show, I probably would have watched it sooner. But in a way, I'm glad I waited so long because it means I don't have to wait as long as everyone else for next season.

Freya
07-28-2017, 01:26 PM
Still gotta wait a whole year though :monster:

Bubba
07-28-2017, 01:46 PM
Congrats to all the waiters

Jinx
07-28-2017, 03:21 PM
Still gotta wait a whole year though :monster:

we don't know that for sure!!!!!

Psychotic
07-28-2017, 03:52 PM
Yeah see the thing about that is that you still got in on the ground floor. I started watching The Walking Dead in Season 5, marathoned it, and now it seems half my life is spent waiting for it to come back so I can complain about how it's now rubbish.

Bubba
07-28-2017, 05:56 PM
I'm still not up-to-date with TWD.

Started watching an episode the other night night and I literally care about nobody. It was only mildly interesting because I realised one of the actors in it used to be in charge of CTU in the first two seasons of 24.

I can wait for Westworld.

Lone Wolf Leonhart
07-29-2017, 01:55 AM
I thought it was cool the way they did the man in black identity reveal, but a part of me will always be sad that Dolores and young William didn't get to ride off into the sunset together.

Whoever said Hector is the best was right, too. Look at this man.

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Still gotta wait a whole year though :monster:

Don't rain on my parade.


Yeah see the thing about that is that you still got in on the ground floor. I started watching The Walking Dead in Season 5, marathoned it, and now it seems half my life is spent waiting for it to come back so I can complain about how it's now rubbish.

The biggest heartbreak there is you started watching a show during the last season that was actually really good.

The last 2 seasons have been fair to middling at best. Imagine having to wait week to week during the height of the season 3 governor arc, when people were actually at the edge of their seats.

Okay I know this is the Westworld thread, but we've got some time to kill so i'm cool with co-opting it.

Jinx
07-29-2017, 02:05 AM
THAT WAS PROBABLY ME, HECTOR IS MY FAVORITE OKAY THANK YOU AND I ASSURE YOU IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS HANDSOMENESS AND SWAGGER NO SIR

Lone Wolf Leonhart
07-29-2017, 05:52 AM
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Shaibana
07-31-2017, 06:01 PM
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dang.. stupid robots >:(