EoFF Mafia XXVIII Game Thread - Banquet of the Voyager Witches

[Mr. Carnelian]

Woop, woop, I'm back smurfheads. Here are some points I'd like to make in my defence:

1) I know my truth seems dodgy, what with it being vague and all, but it's word for word what Karifean gave me. If I wasn't going to give you my real truth, why would I even put forward the whole "I think everyone should spill their truths" thing on the table? Not like anyone else was pushing for it before me. I could have just kept shtum.

2) The whole "self-sacrifice" thing - which you're all really misreading, as I've said time and again if it went properly I WOULDN'T get lynched - was come up with as a way to test a truth. What would a witch have to gain by testing Formy's truth?

If you've made your mind up that I'm a witch, I probably won't be able to convince you otherwise, so I'm not going to jump through any more hoops trying to prove myself after this. Everything I've said up till now is on the record, judge for yourself.

[Fynn]

How much time do we have left? so far only Scruff and I have voted, and I honestly feel we have a lot to go on for a day-one vote.

[Karifean]

About 4 and a half hours.

[FFNut]

So 4.5 hours to go, so far Huckleberry Quin hasn't joined the thread at all. That too is very suspicious. Like wishing to hide.

[Formalhaut]

Okay, I've made up my mind.

##VOTE: The Summoner of Leviathan

Mainly on the basis of his Purple Statement being the third statement about the cynic and the unusual nature of the wording and the abruptness with the full stops and "the purple", which seems off.

If I am wrong, and once again you're lynched Day One as an innocent, then I am so smurfing sorry, TSoL!

[Formalhaut]

Though I suppose there's an argument to be made to vote for Quin, on the basis of inactivity. It is definitely the safer option.

[FFNut]

With this day coming to a close in a few hours too I will vote. Though I am torn on two possible votes in the end the one that strikes me as more suspicious is:

Vote Vote: Mr. Carny

I am voting for him on the grounds of him wishing to force out the truths that so far I feel has given the witches a little bit more information then what was needed, also the fact that he was willing to go up to test Formy's truth makes me think he is playing a bold move to push himself as a human to put doubt into people's mind on his allegiance. It strikes me as suspicious on many levels. Also his truth of 3 re-writers just seems weird too. Honestly he is the top on my list.

[FFNut]

I was thinking Quin too and yes it was due to inactivity I was torn on it to be honest as Quin is having internet issues at the moment and may not know the game has started.

[Formalhaut]

Yeah, I remember Quin saying something about internet issues when I was hosting the previous game.

[FFNut]

No clue if that is fixed yet. Since Quin is a no show I will

#Unvote: Mr. Carny

#Vote vote: Huckleberry Quin as the base of inactivity.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I've been thinking, and I reckon that Fynn might be a witch. It's all too convenient how he came out with his private message truth right after a write-up which indicated that private messaging had occured: almost like he'd jumped on that indication and spun a "truth" around it.

#Vote: Fynn

[Mr. Carnelian]

I was thinking of voting Quin, but honestly I don't think inactivity is a fair way of judging someone: anything could be happening in his life to get in the way of him playing Mafia.

[Pumpkin]

I don't feel like I have enough information to go on at the moment

##Vote: No lynch

[Fynn]

I've been thinking, and I reckon that Fynn might be a witch. It's all too convenient how he came out with his private message truth right after a write-up which indicated that private messaging had occured: almost like he'd jumped on that indication and spun a "truth" around it.

#Vote: Fynn

Am I more suspicious than TSoL then?

[FFNut]

I was going off the no show at all. Not a single post.

[FFNut]

I've been thinking, and I reckon that Fynn might be a witch. It's all too convenient how he came out with his private message truth right after a write-up which indicated that private messaging had occured: almost like he'd jumped on that indication and spun a "truth" around it.

#Vote: Fynn

Am I more suspicious than TSoL then?

I wasn't thinking you were that suspicious but I also think there is a chance that with the Cynical player being that game changing that we could get three or more truths from it. There are still two unheard truths out there.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I've been thinking, and I reckon that Fynn might be a witch. It's all too convenient how he came out with his private message truth right after a write-up which indicated that private messaging had occured: almost like he'd jumped on that indication and spun a "truth" around it.

#Vote: Fynn

Am I more suspicious than TSoL then?

To me, right this moment, yes. The truth you gave directly related to what had happened in the write-up, so you could have easily manufactured it.

[Formalhaut]

Scruffy is the only active player to have not revealed a Purple Truth. While he has his reasons, the longer this goes on, the more under question such a position will have.

[FFNut]

I also feel a bit of a Lynch mob has formed without any solid evidence which is why I have pushed aside TSoL for now. Really all we have is his purple truth that not only has he not been Mod Killed for, it is in a role that is game changing to both sides. It just doesn't add up to me to jump on that bandwagon.

[Fynn]

Fair enough. I gave my reasoning for it, but i guess you could see it that way.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Not revealing it straight away wasn't suspicious: he had his reasons for keeping it to himself. But, it is starting to seem a little bit more suspicious now that literally everyone else apart from Quin has given their purple statement.

[Mr. Carnelian]

He being Scruffy.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Can somebody give us a vote breakdown?

[Pumpkin]

I don't see why we should expect TSoL to be modkilled, we don't know for sure that it's false.

[Formalhaut]

The vote breakdown is everyone is voting for each other.

I kid, but I'm also cooking you dinner, so maybe you can go through the thread and tally it up for us?

[FFNut]

Well that is exactly my point Pumkin. The no Mod Kill on it could have easily been he is telling the truth too. It was a Lynch mob going at him from Fynn and Formy, and I just don't see why.

[Mr. Carnelian]

The vote breakdown is everyone is voting for each other.

I kid, but I'm also cooking you dinner, so maybe you can go through the thread and tally it up for us?

Urgh, fine. Give me a mo.

[FFNut]

I have

TSoL 2 Votes
No Lynch 2 votes
Huckelberry Quin 1 vote
Fynn 1 vote.

[FFNut]

I am going off memory so don't quote me on that.

[Mr. Carnelian]

How about everyone just posts their vote again, for quick reference?

[FFNut]

I voted Huckleberry Quin. Due to inactivity.

[Pumpkin]

No lunch

[Formalhaut]

How many people does it take to organise a vote count?

[FFNut]

How many people does it take to organise a vote count?


The Same amount as lawyers and light bulbs.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Okay, okay, here we go. Correct me if I got your vote wrong.

FFNut voted for.. Huckleberry Quin
Mr. Carnelian voted for… Fynn
Fynn voted for… Mr. Carnelian
Formy voted for… TSOL
Pumpkin voted for… No lynch
Scruffington voted for… No lynch

No lynch has 2 votes.
Quin, Carny, Fynn and TSOL all have 1 vote each.

[Pumpkin]

Okay this might be my mafia newbness, but is the Cynic a typical mafia role? Because if not, the next two purple statements about the Cynic really seem reliant on my truth being revealed first to fully understand. Or maybe that was the point because ~teamwork~ or something. It's just that mine is all like "There's this person called the cynic and this is what they do" and the other two seem much more to be based on the assumption that we know what it is already. Just like the alchemist and the town idiot both have description as to what those things are.

[Mr. Carnelian]

All these new roles are a Karifean thing, I'm fairly certain.

[Formalhaut]

Okay this might be my mafia newbness, but is the Cynic a typical mafia role? Because if not, the next two purple statements about the Cynic really seem reliant on my truth being revealed first to fully understand. Or maybe that was the point because ~teamwork~ or something. It's just that mine is all like "There's this person called the cynic and this is what they do" and the other two seem much more to be based on the assumption that we know what it is already. Just like the alchemist and the town idiot both have description as to what those things are.

Far from being a newb, you raise a very valid point. The other two Purple Statements seem entirely dependant on the existance of your Purple Statement which explains the role in more detail than the other two Statements, which read more as additions.

It is something to consider, that's for sure.

[Mr. Carnelian]

This is only the second game in which I've played for more than an hour, so don't rely on me as a source of info, though. :p

[Formalhaut]

The Cynic seems based on the Traitor role, which is an established role in Mafia, though I've never seen it before in EoFF Mafia, where games tend to be more generic. Which isn't a bad thing, it is just you don't see the more exotic roles on EoFF.

[Fynn]

I don't see why we should expect TSoL to be modkilled, we don't know for sure that it's false.

We don't. At least, I never saw anyone accuse him, but I may have missed something


I only mentioned modkilling in the context of Carny because I assume he lied about the three rewriting roles. Only witches and the cynic (supposedly) can lie about their statements as per the rules of the game we know so far. Of course, he could be some other role that can lie or we may actually have three rewrites, but if neither were the case, he would be modkilled for lying even though he can't lie.

[Fynn]

Okay, okay, here we go. Correct me if I got your vote wrong.

FFNut voted for.. Huckleberry Quin
Mr. Carnelian voted for… Fynn
Fynn voted for… Mr. Carnelian
Formy voted for… TSOLy
Pumpkin voted for… No lynch
Scruffington voted for… No lynch

No lynch has 2 votes.
Quin, Carny, Fynn and TSOL all have 1 vote each.

LIes, I voted for TSOL

[Pumpkin]

Oh okay, you assumed he lied so figured he should be modkilled or is a witch or cynic then, correct?

Sorry I thought you said TSoL when you said Carny, my bad

[Formalhaut]

Ugh, should I just do all future vote counts in future? I mean, that's what I usually do in games to keep things organised, and this game absolutely needs organisation to get anywhere.

[FFNut]

Ya I am not on the 3 re-write roles being true. That to me makes no scence at all. Especially looking over the rolls.

[Fynn]

It's kind of weird, though, since not once did I vote Mr Carny

[Mr. Carnelian]

It's kind of weird, though, since not once did I vote Mr Carny

Sorry, my mistake. Corrected version to follow.

[Pumpkin]

I believe Carny's truth. I don't know if that clears him though because witches can still truth it up in here

[Mr. Carnelian]

FFNut voted for.. Huckleberry Quin
Mr. Carnelian voted for… Fynn
Fynn voted for… TSOL
Formy voted for… TSOL
Pumpkin voted for… No lynch
Scruffington voted for… No lynch

No lynch has 2 votes.
TSOL has 2 voted.
Quin, Fynn and TSOL all have 1 vote each.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Unless... wait, you're not yanking my chain, are you Fynn?

[Fynn]

No TSOL has two votes. Only Quin and I have one.

[Mr. Carnelian]

It is actually TSOL you voted for, right?

[Mr. Carnelian]

Okay.

[Fynn]

I have made precisely one ##vote statement

[Mr. Carnelian]

Ugh, should I just do all future vote counts in future? I mean, that's what I usually do in games to keep things organised, and this game absolutely needs organisation to get anywhere.

Yes. Or Karifean should do it, seeing as he's all impartial.

[FFNut]

I made 2. One I unvoted Mr.Carny, for the inactive Huckleberry Quin.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I have made precisely one ##vote statement

Sorry for being fallible, Fynn. :p

[Mr. Carnelian]

I made 2. One I unvoted Mr.Carny, for the inactive Huckleberry Quin.

Jesus, stop getting at me! I'm only counting the most recent votes, alright?! Keeping track of vote changes is too hard.

[Fynn]

Just clearing things up

[Mr. Carnelian]

Too hard for tired evening Carny, anyway. Off to have food and watch West Wing now. May not check in for a while. See you round, smurfers!

[Formalhaut]

Moving aside from the fact that Mr. Carny cannot add up (something we learned in the last game), I'm drawn to the fact that someone being a Village Idiot basically makes them Vanilla, depending on how their role can 'backfire'.

[Fynn]

No need to get prickly and say the Lord's name in vain ;)

[Formalhaut]

Actually, if the Village Idiot's role can backfire negatively, and they are Town, they can end up damaging the entire Town.

[Formalhaut]

To be fair to him, tallying the vote count can yield the occasional mistake. I forgot to strikethrough names once or twice in the last game, and I was the host.

[FFNut]

I am still thinking we passed over the pained human myself. That player could be just as dangerous as the witches. They are in it for themselves and we really don't know if we triggered one or not. They worry me a lot too and feel like it got brushed over and pushed aside.

[Pumpkin]

Do we have to worry about it as long as we don't identify people?

[Fynn]

Do we have to worry about it as long as we don't identify people?

This

The Pained is not a threat at all as long as we don't reveal their identity. Assuming the statement was true, of course

[FFNut]

I'm not sure. I keep thinking it can't be that as the roles are hidden for a reason. Maybe I am overthinking again.

[Formalhaut]

The Pained is only a problem if they are revealed. Thus, even if someone knows or has a strong hunch, don't whatever you do out their identity.

[Pumpkin]

I'm not sure. I keep thinking it can't be that as the roles are hidden for a reason. Maybe I am overthinking again.

Could you elaborate on this a bit more?

[FFNut]

I just think with all the twists and turns that maybe it could also be a doctor protection, or a investigation like a swap like Formy's game had. Give everyone a night move... Punish for making the wrong move.

[Pumpkin]

So you're worried that a night move might "out" the pained and cause them to have their role activated? Am I understanding you correctly?

[FFNut]

It's in my mind like That Pumkin yes. It is Karifean's Mafia after all.

[Fynn]

If this were anything like traditional mafia, then even if someone knows someone else's identity, only they know it. Now the question is, is that alone enough for the Pained to switch? Or will the identity be revealed in the write-ups?

[Pumpkin]

If that is the case, it certainly does add something to be concerned about

[FFNut]

I just know Scruff won't give his truth and we don't have Quin's. Only one truth talked about Pained, and maybe one of them are so not wanting to reveal that could be them not wanting to be switched.

[Fynn]

The problem is that, if the former is the case, we won't know until the person who checked them reveals it. And if they're a witch, they probably won't.

[FFNut]

Or wanting to be switched for the I'm all for me LoLz

[FFNut]

To be honest going in solo against both sides may be real fun.

[Pumpkin]

So far we have these concerns:
-Witch(es)
-Traitoro VonTraitor
-Town idiot maybe, who could do something stupid by accident
-Pained who may have their identity revealed by accident, causing them to try and kill errybody

I hadn't actually considered the possibility that the pained could have their role revealed via night move, which would activate their role. I though one of us would need to discover it and out them in thread. But you're right that that could be a possibility

[Pumpkin]

That is, of course, assuming the statements are true, which they might not be

[FFNut]

We can know for sure night one if two kills happen as they turn into a serial killer.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I never accused Carny of being a witch, so thanks for misconstruing my argument. I said a survivor which could either be a third alignment or even human, not necessarily a witch. So there's that.

I didn't have time to read rest because work so for now:

##vote: no lynch

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I meant Jester not survivor. Sorry busy at work. Legit still in the kitchen .

[Mr. Carnelian]

FFNut voted for.. Huckleberry Quin
Mr. Carnelian voted for… Fynn
Fynn voted for… TSOL
Formy voted for… TSOL
Pumpkin voted for… No lynch
Scruffington voted for… No lynch
TSOL voted for... No lynch

No lynch has 3 votes.
TSOL has 2 votes.
Quin and Fynn have 1 vote each.

[Karifean]

The conversation heated up some more in the evening. Some people even accused others, but overall the atmosphere was still one of caution; people didn't want to execute one of their own on nothing but a whim. And so as the day drew to a close everyone headed back to their own rooms to get some much-needed rest. But as they returned, almost everyone had the same thought racing through their mind: It was going to be a long night.

Final Vote Tally

No Death - 3
The Summoner of Leviathan - 2
Huckleberry Quin - 1
Fynn - 1

Note: From the next daytime phase onwards, votes that don't use the proper ##Vote format are just going to be considered invalid. It was a bit annoying to CTRL+F through the topic and then realize you missed several votes.


https://i.imgur.com/EXHFZ1y.png
Right, I believe I should also just about tell you my own red truth. After all, every player got one. Oh but since it's me I guess I don't have to use the purple, do I?

When a player dies, only the type of their alignment (Human or Witch) is revealed.

Yes, the red suits facts much better *giggle*. I was planning on revealing it once everyone else became an active participant, or if anyone directly asked me if I had one as well, but neither of those ever ended up happening.

Enjoy nighttime, my dear voyagers...


Nighttime Phase 1


Umineko OST - Bring the fate (http://nospoiler.com/y/EWDpCAt2LGI)

You have 24 hours to send me a Night Action PM. If I get all of them before the 24 hours are up and nobody mentions that they'd like more time to potentially reconsiders, the phase may end early.

Meanwhile, just to re-stress this, you can still use this topic to discuss like normal, if you really want to.

[Formalhaut]

Huh, so it wasn't just Mr. Carny not counting.

Anyway, No Lynch. Oooooh.

[Pumpkin]

So guys, which one of you is/are (a) witch(es)?

[Fynn]

So it's like I thought. We don't get to find out whether the person that died was a cynic.

Something tells me this is gonna be a long game.

[Fynn]

Also, wow, did that music go in so many... unexpected directions

[Karifean]

As the clock strikes midnight, a man unsheaths his sword. He wouldn't let anything happen tonight. And so he set out to visit every single person's room.

An adult could be seen wandering the halls. When they ran into the man with the sword, they seemed quite pleased to see him. Although they didn't take having the sword shoved in front of their face too well. In the end, they left and returned to their room.

A girl was lying on the bed in her room, relaxing and eating some gummibears. It didn't appear as though she had any intentions of leaving her room anymore. Outside her room, from the shadows, someone was carefully eyeing the door without even stopping to blink, lying in wait for anyone who may have dared approach it.

As dawn broke, everyone awoke once more. And when they all reconvened in the parlor, not a single one of them was missing. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief - or was it disappointment? Either way, there was a lot to discuss. And with no new victims, motivation was at an all-time high.

Umineko OST - Life (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=jfIsbeR6nWw&p=n)


Daytime Phase 2

You have 48 hours to vote on someone to be executed. Alternatively you can vote for "No Death". Whoever has the majority of votes by the end of the day will be executed, if "No Death" has the majority, nobody will be executed.

Halftime takes place in about 24 hours. After Halftime, if any option has more than 50% of players' votes at any point in time, the vote is locked down (any further votes and vote changes will be ignored) and the daytime phase ends early.

[FFNut]

Ok so we are still at square one with no new news.

[Scruffington]

Not sure how much we can trust the write-up. It claims that no-one was killed, but according to Mr. Carnelian's Purple Statement, three players can tamper with the write-up.

Perhaps we could do a "Present" check to see if one of us is truly dead.

[Formalhaut]

Well gee, that happened.

[FFNut]

Can you change a death though?

[Formalhaut]

As the clock strikes midnight, a man unsheaths his sword. He wouldn't let anything happen tonight. And so he set out to visit every single person's room.

Assuming we can actually trust the write-ups, according to this, a manunsheathes his sword and wouldn't let anything happen tonight.

Maybe I'm not reading this right, but it seems to me like someone executed a mass-roleblock on everyone.

[Scruffington]

Can you change a death though?

I would assume you could edit a post to change certain facts. In this instance, I'm speculating that the death may have been covered up.

[Formalhaut]

A mass-roleblock is a heck of a power though. Maybe he could only do it once?

[FFNut]

A mass-roleblock is a heck of a power though. Maybe he could only do it once?


Ya I was in the same mind set. There could be a one time protect all. Can't see it being a more then one time thing if it was though. But IF Carny's truth is true, like Scruff said they could have changed it to make it seem like it was.

[Formalhaut]

As the clock strikes midnight, a man unsheaths his sword. He wouldn't let anything happen tonight. And so he set out to visit every single person's room.

As I said, if this can be trusted, the man with the sword mass-roleblocked everyone.


An adult could be seen wandering the halls. When they ran into the man with the sword, they seemed quite pleased to see him. Although they didn't take having the sword shoved in front of their face too well. In the end, they left and returned to their room.

An adult is vague as all hell, though the adult seemed happy to see the man with the sword. Possible witch connection? Or maybe a connection in the visual novel we don't know about? Probably the most ambiguous statement, but it is clear that this adult left their room, meaning they went out and tried to do something.


A girl was lying on the bed in her room, relaxing and eating some gummibears.

This seems to me like a child. She didn't have any intention of leaving her room anymore. This implies the young girl was going to execute a night action, but didn't because of the mass-roleblock. Or something.


Outside her room, from the shadows, someone was carefully eyeing the door without even stopping to blink, lying in wait for anyone who may have dared approach it.

Sounds dangerous. Any who may have dared approach them? Seems like a paranoid gun owner (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner). If you don't know, that's a role that shoots anyone that approaches it at night, friend or foe.

Not much to go on, but the wording makes it likely that if someone dared to approach, they wouldn't like it.

[Formalhaut]

I need to do some digging in the profiles. I have no played When They Cry (I can see Karifean silently judging me), but I'll do my best to try and attach some possible identities to them. Some may be easier than others.

Let's not forget the Pained though. So let's not start accusing people of being things until we know what we're dealing with.

[FFNut]

The one you said was the parinoid gun owner could have the Cut ability.

[Scruffington]

If there's a mass roleblock ability, then that means neither town nor mafia gained anything from Night 1.

The only real advantage Town stands to gain from this is an extra day of scumhunting. We've only seen one player with a confirmed day ability.

[FFNut]

Yes there was a letter in half time, now a mass role block which is dangerous.

[Formalhaut]

If I were to guess, the roleblock came from Town. While there are a few advantages the witches may gain from blocking everyone, you'd think they would press for the kill and not block themselves?

[Pumpkin]

I have a theory as to who the girl was and who the witches are, but it's entirely a theory and I have no proof. I can't exactly ask you guys to trust me without evidence :/

[Pumpkin]

I have no idea who the others in the write up are

[FFNut]

Who do you think the witches are?

[FFNut]

Number one on my list is still Formy, number 2 I still haven't figured out yet.

[FFNut]

Not Formy, Carny. Carny is top of my list not Formy.

[Pumpkin]

Wouldn't you like to know

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[FFNut]

I will take this as a newb move, but the more information all the town has the better. Saying you know the witches then not giving details is kinda suspicious.

[Scruffington]

I have a theory as to who the girl was and who the witches are, but it's entirely a theory and I have no proof. I can't exactly ask you guys to trust me without evidence :/

Yeah I'm not gonna believe you just yet. We're not sure if there actually is a mass roleblock ability, and if there is, there's no way you could have used a night ability (whatever it was).

Theories are fine, but hard evidence is the only thing someone could truly present to me that would persuade me.

[FFNut]

Unless she is the Village Idiot that to my thoughts on that is that she would have been given incorrect information.

[Pumpkin]

I will take this as a newb move, but the more information all the town has the better. Saying you know the witches then not giving details is kinda suspicious.

Isn't trying to come up with theories about who the witches are one of the main points of the game though :p

I'm fairly certain who the girl is from the writeup because I know one of the characters from Umineko, one of my favs actually. Lambdadelta looks like a little girl and is made of candy. The description was of a girl sitting there eating candy.

I could be wrong though, there are actual kid characters, such as Maria, and kids like candy. But Formy made the comment about not leaving her room anymore which made me think of a role almost being used and Lambdadelta has the ability sweeten if you look at the first post.

Again, just a theory though~

[Pumpkin]

Sweeten indicating more candy that is

[FFNut]

I like your theory. It holds weight. Didn't think of that.

[FFNut]

Still wondering about Carny. Just don't believe that there are three re-writes.

[Pumpkin]

Also Bernkastel has the ability of miracle, which, if it's the same as in the story is the ability to reset a bad situation. So if that character is active it might have undone the night actions or a kill or something

[FFNut]

I wish I have played this game. So it is almost like a doctor role. Instead of protecting its a resurrection.

[Pumpkin]

Upon further research, the man with the sword could refer to Willard H. Wright, who has the intimidate ability, which seems to semi-suit the narrative

But with the possibility of narrative tampering, its hard to be too sure of all of this

[Formalhaut]

I was thinking 'intimidate' sounded like what happened. Nothing concrete, but I'm glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on the 'intimidate' ability.

[FFNut]

No I was on it too. Don't know if it is a protect a player, or stop a player from a night move however.

[Formalhaut]

Just wild mass guessing at this point, but 'intimidate' doesn't sound very doctor-y, unless they have terrible bedside manner. I suppose it could protect by blocking the kill going through. I don't know how a Town-aligned roleblocker even works, to be honest.

Assuming that the block originated from Town. Or that it was even a block. Darn, so many caveats.

[FFNut]

We could go all day guessing what things do. Honestly I'm not putting faith in the write up as if Carny is town three paragraphs, three re-writes. Guessing is still our best option.

[Formalhaut]

In any case, let's see what the others bring to the table. Maybe TSoL, Laddy, and Mr. Carny will introduce something for us to discuss.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Assuming Intimidate is the skill around, it would see like it was a blanket effect since the character was patrolling the hallways. I would agree that such a thing would be a oneshot otherwise it would be OP and prevent all night actions from occurring.

The adult who got up and walk around might be the the witch since it seemed like they were about to do something then didn't.

The person in the shadows sounds an awful like "Stealth", while the girl in the room, I will leave that to those familiar with this game!

Also, I did a quick wikia search and like some of these characters LOOK like kids but are like +1000 years old. :/

So it would seem that Intimidate didn't prevent ALL abilities from happening but did prevent the nightkill!

[Formalhaut]

In any case, let's see what the others bring to the table. Maybe TSoL, Laddy, and Mr. Carny will introduce something for us to discuss.


Assuming Intimidate is the skill around, it would see like it was a blanket effect since the character was patrolling the hallways. I would agree that such a thing would be a oneshot otherwise it would be OP and prevent all night actions from occurring.

The adult who got up and walk around might be the the witch since it seemed like they were about to do something then didn't.

The person in the shadows sounds an awful like "Stealth", while the girl in the room, I will leave that to those familiar with this game!

Also, I did a quick wikia search and like some of these characters LOOK like kids but are like +1000 years old. :/

So it would seem that Intimidate didn't prevent ALL abilities from happening but did prevent the nightkill!

Well what do you know! Look who's arrived!

If the intimidate skill was one-shot, it might be possible that they might have a weaker variant? Like, one-shot mass roleblock, but they could use a regular single-person roleblock each night as well? Because if all they had was a one-shot mass roleblock, I'm confused they decided to use it straight away, especially as we were almost expecting the night kill to see what sort of information we get.

While helpful in that no-one died, it also means we are - if anything - just as much as in the dark as before!

[FFNut]

So the question is who was the Intimidation protecting?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Sorry, I was eating/then showering when the new day started. Then wanted to go to my PC so I can look at the forums better.

[Formalhaut]

I was only joking! I was more referring to how soon you posted after I asked for your input.

If it was a mass-intimidate, then I suppose it wasn't really protecting anyone in mind?

[FFNut]

It may be a lucky strike protection too.

[Fynn]

Don't really believe the mass roleblock theory. I am, however, more and more inclined to believe there are more witches, which is why having three people to mask their movements easier. So I'm not so convinced Carny lied anymore. My main theory at the moment is that each person can alter a different aspect of the write-up.

The reason why nobody died is obvious, then - they all used their abilities instead in order to get as much information about everyone possible which, considering all the weird rules, would benefit them. A lot.

I also agree that we should be careful with the Pained. I propose that we don't try to figure out what the actual identities are, at least not at this stage, since I still think it's still possible for us to deduce people's skills without deducing their identities. Of course, it's still possible that someone privately finding out their identity is enough, but we can't do anything about that anyway, so we can only hope :D

[Mr. Carnelian]

Just checking in to confirm I'm alive before I go to work.

[Fynn]

Everyone is alive, Carn

[FFNut]

I can't get over that we are putting to much into,the write-ups. We know at least one person can re-write the writings, and up to three people. That's a lot of room for misinformation.

[Fynn]

Exactly. I think we should pretty much focus on stuff that is going on in real time because, let's face it - everything we think we know about the rules and the night occurrences can be a lie

[Scruffington]

Everyone is alive, Carn

Laddy and Quin have yet to post (though Quin is supposedly inactive).


I can't get over that we are putting to much into,the write-ups. We know at least one person can re-write the writings, and up to three people. That's a lot of room for misinformation.

I think the ones who are investing the most into write-ups are most likely to be the ones with the ability to edit the write-ups.

[Fynn]

Everyone is alive, Carn

Laddy and Quin have yet to post (though Quin is supposedly inactive).


I can't get over that we are putting to much into,the write-ups. We know at least one person can re-write the writings, and up to three people. That's a lot of room for misinformation.

I think the ones who are investing the most into write-ups are most likely to be the ones with the ability to edit the write-ups.

*side glance at Formy*

[FFNut]

Laddy hasn't posted day 2 but he has on day one. I wonder if he is busy IRL, or if he is holding back to not draw attention. He also didn't vote day one if I am not mistaken. May be time to put him on the hot seat for some information.

[Fynn]

That reminds me - can we assume that it's either a witch or a cynic that can edit write-ups only? Because, theoretically, it could be a benevolent human, but what would the purpose of that be? Can that be combined with being a village idiot? So like, they try to edit it one way but instead end up creating more confusion?

[FFNut]

I can't agree to that Fynn. There could be the Investigator role who would want to slug off who they were looking into, or the Doctor role who may wish to hide who they want to protect. I think if the Witch(s) had the power then they couldn't use the kill function making their writing power useless.

[Scruffington]

Laddy hasn't posted day 2 but he has on day one. I wonder if he is busy IRL, or if he is holding back to not draw attention. He also didn't vote day one if I am not mistaken. May be time to put him on the hot seat for some information.

Well if Laddy doesn't post at all and Quin gets modkilled, then we can confirm that Laddy died Night 1 and his death was covered up.


That reminds me - can we assume that it's either a witch or a cynic that can edit write-ups only? Because, theoretically, it could be a benevolent human, but what would the purpose of that be? Can that be combined with being a village idiot? So like, they try to edit it one way but instead end up creating more confusion?

I suppose it's possible. But personally I don't see how concealing or modifying information is beneficial to town in any way. That leads me to believe that if a town does have that role, it's most likely not an advantageous one.

Also looking back at the Purple Statements...there is something that stood out to me. I hadn't re-read them all in awhile, but there was one claim that I overlooked which I know for certain is false (which would suggest that person is a Witch).

I won't reveal what the statement is or who said it just yet, however.

[Fynn]

I can't agree to that Fynn. There could be the Investigator role who would want to slug off who they were looking into, or the Doctor role who may wish to hide who they want to protect. I think if the Witch(s) had the power then they couldn't use the kill function making their writing power useless.

I'm not sure it's possible for someone to have two Night abilities. I'd assume someone can have a passive quality (plagued, cynic, village idiot) as well as a night ability, but I really doubt they can both rewrite a statement and have a night skill

[FFNut]

I doubt it too. That's why I think it makes more sense that the town has it. Or if there are more than one witch one or the other has it. I don't think the witch would be so OP that they can kill then cover their tracks in a write-up making them look like they hung around in bed and did nothing. We don't even know if there is more then one witch and that they only have the Cynic to work with as of yet.

[Fynn]

I think there's more than one witch. Also remember that each witch also has a different night action that they can use instead of killing while the cynic can only communicate with one of them during halftime

[FFNut]

I don't know if there is more than one witch though. So far nothing has screamed out that there is more than one working, and with not knowing that Pained amount of players and having a cynic it drops the amount of town considerable amounts when you bring in more than one with this many people.

[Pumpkin]

I think town could have a write ability. Like what if, let's say, they could change the write-up by changing a target's name to some codeword. Then if they see that code word in the text, they would know who it was. This could be beneficial, especially if it replaces the name of a witch

[Pumpkin]

Or maybe a codeword could replace an ability used and that would give them more info as well, or something like that.

There's a few ways I can think of that could help a townie is what I'm trying to say at 7 am when I'm half asleep

[FFNut]

Ya I think it is possible for the witch(s) not even to have the write ability. Wasn't the players and ability's chosen at random?

[Fynn]

That's what Karifean claimed, anyway. Identities have pre-assigned abilities, but alignments are not tied to an identity. So theoretically, every ability can be either human or witch-aligned, though honestly, I don't think that works if someone has an ability that is usually designed to help town, like finding out a person's alignment (if we have that), since Witches already know who's who. Unless they can't communicate with each other.

[FFNut]

If we go through that though, we only see one Written ability which points to Carny as a witch as it makes his truth a lie.

[Fynn]

Considering everyone has a Night skill and we only saw a description of three actions (I think), I don't it's impossible that there's more than one at this point.

[FFNut]

So far the top of my list is still Carny as a witch.

Second I have Laddy. He is jumping in the thread, but not really going for information. It is suspicious.

[FFNut]

So far Laddy hasn't posted day two. He had if I remember correctly 3 posts in day one, and never gave a vote day one. That's what I am going on there for him.

Carny... The three Writers is what I think is a lie. It just gives no credibility to the write ups, and really is a little much.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Assuming Carny's statement is true, Karifean did say that the roles are not tied to alignments. So it would be weird if everyone who could affect the narrative would be witches. Moreover, it would be highly peculiar for a witch not to do a night kill because that is always advantageous. Then there is the fact that there is my truth. Also, consider that Carny's truth says affect the narrative not rewriting it, though we know one ability IS rewrite.

Now consider the write up, if we can believe it, the man with the sword sounded like he was intimidating someone but not only that but his motivation was to make sure nothing happened. That sounds like a mass ability.

I agree with Pained. We cant out someone and someone can't role claim without fear of them "activating". Meaning we have to be careful because ability and identities are tied together. But some of these are vague enough that if we're careful we can still have a fruitful discussion.

That being said, I have a strong suspicion that the ability was affecting everyone and a general protection. The narrative indicates that and confirms my own sources.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also it is foolish to think all abilities are night abilities. Given the whole "note" incident, it would seem people can do stuff during the day too.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Assuming Carny's truth is right, we know there is one rewrite ability but the other abilities could possibly be to omit something or prevent a rewrite? So maybe we're just missing information.

[Fynn]

Two truths are also still unrevealed

[Pumpkin]

Imma be honest here, I'm having a hard time trusting the Village Idiot truth. Every other role we have seen presented, such as Cynic, Family Alchemist, and Pained I believe are actual mafia roles but with their actual title changed to suit the narrative. Village Idiot is the typical name and doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the narrative.

I could be wrong since I don't have a ton of info on mafia, but that's my impression

[FFNut]

For many of these rolls I was wondering too. I had no clue what Pained, and Cynic was. If you are wondering Pumkin check out the Wiki. It will tell you rolls powers and all the rest. Also be sure to check out handicap rolls like the drunk, village idiot etc.

[Pumpkin]

That's what I mean is that it seems odd, to me personally, that other roles are adjusted to fit the narrative of this game based on this series in particular, but that one is not.

I am also almost positive that there is more than one witch, so I have a hard time with TSoL's truth as well. It seems to contradict a lot of the other presented information.

Again, I have no proof though and the defense is always "Well that's what my red statement said" but those are my two cents~

[Fynn]

Pumpkin does raise an interesting point, though. All of the roles revealed in the purple statements aside from the village idiot have appropriately flavor-text names (people have remarked that the Cynic is usually called a Traitor in Mafia), so it wouldn't really make sense not to change the Village Idiot into something else. I don't know a lot about Umineko, but our setting is definitely not a village.

[Fynn]

The wording is also vague as hell, but I may be reading too much into it now that I'm suspicious of the rule.

[Pumpkin]

I've only played the first 4 episodes of Umineko Naku Koro Ni, but I immediately felt Village idiot didn't fit. But again, I haven't played the Higurashi series yet, nor have I played the last 4 Umineko episodes.

But seeing how the others are all changed to suit the narrative, it keeps standing out to me as something that just doesn't FIT. Like Karifean put all of this work in to customizing the typical mafia roles to suit the narrative and then just threw in village idiot? Could be. Or it could be someone looked at common mafia roles and threw it in because it's common and some probably wouldn't have a hard time believing it

MAN I SOUND PARANOID NOW

[FFNut]

I will say that I think Carny's truth is still by far the least trustworthy, I will also say that Fynn's reveal of his truth was very on time.

The fact most of us me included felt forced to reveal our truths as I knew mine would point at me, yet felt fingers would point if I didn't. Also makes me think Carny who opened it with a unbelievable one in my opinion as if you count there is only one writer is a witch and wanted to know what he had to deal with. Just my opinion though.

[Pumpkin]

IF

BIG IF

Two characters I think are in play are in play, there are at least 2 with a narrative changing ability. But again, that doesn't mean he couldn't have changed it to 3 as a lie, or he could be a witch and just actually told the truth. But since I'm almost certain that at least one narrative altering ability is in play and I suspect a second one is, 3 doesn't seem so farfetched

[Fynn]

Of course it was on time - I revealed it precisely because at that moment we could all have benefited from it. The note appeared in the narrative, so it felt like a good moment to share that I probably know what the note is about.

[Fynn]

IF

BIG IF

Two characters I think are in play are in play, there are at least 2 with a narrative changing ability. But again, that doesn't mean he couldn't have changed it to 3 as a lie, or he could be a witch and just actually told the truth. But since I'm almost certain that at least one narrative altering ability is in play and I suspect a second one is, 3 doesn't seem so farfetched

You know, I was thinking of posting this before but thought it was stupid, but I guess here goes.

What if Karifean counts as a player? He even used his character as an example first - he has an identity and an ability, and later even drove this point further home by revealing his red truth. And since he's the one writing the write-ups, wouldn't that possibly make him one of the three characters able to influence the write-ups?

[FFNut]

I still don't believe it's 3. It just seems like to much. Go through the lists and you will see one Write ability, and one on Karifean's player. Three is just to many for me to think about being true.

[Pumpkin]

Then yeah that would make 3 with the ability to change the narrative. But again, that's assuming the 2 I think are in play are actually in play and assuming Karifean counts as a character himself

[Fynn]

That's what I thought until I saw the night write-up. There was way too little going on, imo. Therefore, I do believe it's possible that there are more than one person influencing the write-ups, even three.

[FFNut]

The fact you are needing to stretch to the host is playing, yet knows who everyone is and their power to make it fit makes me think you are either protecting Carny, or Fynn and I believe Pumkin is a witch.

##Vote: Pumkin.

[Fynn]

Oop, there we go. It begins.

[Pumpkin]

I'm protecting them because I don't believe that they're witches :p

I've said my piece and offered the arguments for why I believe that FFNut and TSoL are the witches, so you can either take it or leave it~

[FFNut]

She is covering and making giant stretches to get there. She is a witch.

[Pumpkin]

Yep. My truth has been consistent with other truths, I've not jumped on any lynching bandwagons, I've been as open as I can with the exception of not revealing who I think has certain roles to avoid the whole Pained situation, I've been clear in my statements that it's only theories and NOT certainties, offered evidence as to why I feel the way I do, considered alternate points-of-view, and been open to discussion.

You've offered a suspish purple statement, adamantly and vehemently accused Carny of being a witch with no basis other than "3 seems like a lot tho" and made an incredible effort to focus on the pained role over and over again and are now making VERY certain statements about my being a witch when I accuse you

ALL SEEMS LEGIT

[Fynn]

You seem pretty convinced, Nutty, even though I was the one that made the assumption that Karifean might count as one of the writers? I also wasn't stretching it or pushing for it, simply throwing it out there so that we can all think about it, taking any possibility into account.

[Fynn]

However you look at it, it's kind of a flimsy reason to jump on someone. Especially Pumpkin, who didn't even put the idea forward.

[Pumpkin]

You've also refused to think of TSoL as a witch despite how odd and out of place and contradictory his purple statement was but yet nit-pick the heck out of Carny's purple statement and really focus on the pained statement, which means you obviously place stock in those purple statements. And yet you've barely, if at all considered TSoL's to be worthy of scrutiny

[FFNut]

I am convinced she is working with Carny yes. I wouldn't have voted if not. My night role basically confirmed she was up to no good, then see her stretch to point a finger confirmed my suspicions. I think Pumkin is a Witch.

[Formalhaut]

What if Karifean counts as a player? He even used his character as an example first - he has an identity and an ability, and later even drove this point further home by revealing his red truth. And since he's the one writing the write-ups, wouldn't that possibly make him one of the three characters able to influence the write-ups?

Yeah, that makes sense in a kinda 'aha!' sort of way. That would bring that number up to three.

Anyway, I'm sorry if my looking at the writeups is suspicious. No matter how they are altered, if we completely ignore them we'll lose a valuable source of information.

If the mass-roleblock theory is true, that also means any ability that could've altered the roleblock is also null and void. If that is the case, then the Night One writeup is completely accurate, if we believe the mass-roleblock theory. If you don't, then nothing the writeup said can be taken for granted.

Going into Day Two, there's a few things I'm suspicious of. I agree with Pumpkin about Nutty's 'village idiot' statement. It seems highly out of flavour. Still suspicious of TSoL and his purple statement's abruptness. Not sure where I stand on Fynn. Or Scruff for that matter.

I really want Laddy to talk more, as he's contributed the least out of all of us, not counting Quin. Even people who have posted a low amount as managed to contribute to discussion like TSoL: Laddy's posts have been rather thin.

[Pumpkin]

And what night role would that be?

[Fynn]

A bit off-topic right now, but when you consider that some rewriting powers might have to do with Night-time write-ups, while others deal with halftime write-ups, that kind of makes three people with rewriting powers even more plausible.

[Formalhaut]

I am convinced she is working with Carny yes. I wouldn't have voted if not. My night role basically confirmed she was up to no good, then see her stretch to point a finger confirmed my suspicions. I think Pumkin is a Witch.

Stop this 'oooooh I've got you now because of my night role!'

What did she do, Nutty?

[Fynn]

I'd like to know what that night role is as well.

[Pumpkin]

I reeeeeaaaally want to hear this because I've been making sure to mention certain things in my posts that I can quote and reference to back up my own role if need be

[FFNut]

I just know she was out and about. She went to visit who I think may be Fynn.

[FFNut]

Someone else was there too that makes me think protector/or doctor. I think Pumkin was giving the kill order.

[Fynn]

Who do you think I am? Use the ability name, just in case ;)

[Formalhaut]

I just know she was out and about. She went to visit who I think may be Fynn.

So are you saying - in the most roundabout way possible - that you can track people?

[Pumpkin]

Aiight let's do this. *pulls out earrings*

My character is Lambdadelta, whom I was super excited to get. If you'll notice, her ability is "sweeten". What does sweeten do, you ask? Why, it changes a target's name to candy in a write up.

If you'll note, since the beginning I've been backing up Carny's statement BECAUSE I had a narrative altering ability, which at least somewhat backs up his statement. That's also why I said that IF the two roles are in play that I think, the Rewrite and my own Sweeten ability, Carny's is not so far-fetched.

You'll also note how I mentioned I think I know who the girl munching on candy was? Because I think it was me. I TRIED to use my sweeten ability on TSoL which, for some reason, didn't do anything. Either there was a block, or TSoL was not involved in the narrative. Thus the comment about not wanting to leave the room ANYMORE

Go back through my posts and it's all consistent with what I've been saying the whole game.

Your turn to provide some evidence, FFNut

[FFNut]

Without giving away my identity yes. I can watch someone.

[Pumpkin]

I also specifically said that a narrative rewrite might not be a witch ability such as changing a targets name with a keyword.

Also at this point, unless he can reasonably prove otherwise, I'm hedging my bets on FFNut being a witch

##Vote: FFNut

[Fynn]

Does Pumpkin's explanation make sense in light of your revelations?

[Formalhaut]

Aiight let's do this. *pulls out earrings*

My character is Lambdadelta, whom I was super excited to get. If you'll notice, her ability is "sweeten". What does sweeten do, you ask? Why, it changes a target's name to candy in a write up.

If you'll note, since the beginning I've been backing up Carny's statement BECAUSE I had a narrative altering ability, which at least somewhat backs up his statement. That's also why I said that IF the two roles are in play that I think, the Rewrite and my own Sweeten ability, Carny's is not so far-fetched.

You'll also note how I mentioned I think I know who the girl munching on candy was? Because I think it was me. I TRIED to use my sweeten ability on TSoL which, for some reason, didn't do anything. Either there was a block, or TSoL was not involved in the narrative. Thus the comment about not wanting to leave the room ANYMORE

Go back through my posts and it's all consistent with what I've been saying the whole game.

Your turn to provide some evidence, FFNut

I had thought Sweeten could be a role that could rewrite. Like 'sweetening up' a story or whatever. Pumpkin's story seems consistent with what she's written. Of course, we'd only get final proof when we see an example of the ability in action.

[Formalhaut]

Without giving away my identity yes. I can watch someone.

Are you literally hanging your entire argument on:

1) Pumpkin seems to defend Carny
2) Pumpkin tried to do something in the night

I mean, there is no Vanilla in this game. Someone doing something in the night is almost expected. :p

That's a really flimsy argument, Nutty.

[Pumpkin]

I realize that role reveal isn't the smartest move but DANG IT IF I'M GOING DOWN I'M TAKING THE WITCHES DOWN WITH ME

[Fynn]

Because changing someone's name to candy is so threatening to a witch's cause :p

[Pumpkin]

Hey, don't you dare underestimate the power of sweets :stare:

[Formalhaut]

Yeah I was about to say, now that you're a known entity, the witches might leave you be with your threatening power of candy.

[FFNut]

If she was the girl with the gummy bears she got up but decided not to do anything. No kill last night shows a protection to me. She was the hit man last night I think.

[Formalhaut]

Anyway:

Now that we know Nutty has 'some form of' watching role, there's a few candidates for his identity and ability name. But I'm keeping quiet. The whole Pained thing and all.

[Pumpkin]

Good gravy you guys

[Fynn]

Or all the witches and the cynic were using their other power

[Fynn]

Good gravy you guys

Nutty' trying to pull a coup de gravy

[Pumpkin]

By you guys I mean FFNut and his flimsy arguments and the rest of you INSULTING THE POWER OF CANDY

[Formalhaut]

If she was the girl with the gummy bears she got up but decided not to do anything. No kill last night shows a protection to me. She was the hit man last night I think.

You'll also notice an adult walking through the halls who seemed happy to see the man with the erect sword. :jokey:

I mean, as far we know, there were at least two people who tried to do something but couldn't. As well as that creepy person who dared anyone to approach.

[Pumpkin]

Seriously, look how he acted when I raised suspicions about him. I've at least been able to somewhat back up my claims, but he has done a poor job of backing up his or defending himself. Really now

[Formalhaut]

Assuming we can trust Pumpkin's roleclaim, that means the killer is either the the adult happy to see the sword man, or the creepy daring person.

[Pumpkin]

How'd you get that one? All I know is that my role didn't go through either from a block or because TSoL didn't do nuffin in the narrative

[Pumpkin]

That sounded more accusatory than I meant it to, btw. I really just don't fully understand

[Fynn]

There's a possibility the "killer" didn't appear in the narrative because of the rewriting character

And again, it's possible no one attempted to kill anyone

[Formalhaut]

I'm assuming a killer tried to do kill someone. Of course, they could choose not to kill, but I find that unlikely. If the narrative is accurate, that means the killer would've been mentioned at some point in the narrative.

You're candy girl, who tried to sweeten the pot. If we believe you, then you're not the killer.
Intimidating Sword Guy used a mass-roleblock. He can't be the killer.
The adult walking in the halls? Not sure what he did. He could've been the killer until he got blocked.
The creepy person in the room? Sounds dangerous, that's for sure.

Of course, this all assumes that a Town roleblocker can block night kills like a doctor can. I have literally no experience with Town blockers. This is just one theory, and to be honest it does assume quite a lot. I mean, people can not be the killer, but still be witch-aligned, for example.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

And Pumpkin could easily be Pained and now she triggered it and she's out to get everyone. Pained can roleclaim to activate themselves.

I have an ability that allows me to see what abilities are performed on others. From that list, I can ask for one to be explained. I targeted Fynn. He had Intimidate and Stealth. I asked about the former. I was told it can be used to one shot prevent from a nightlife or use regularly a protect one person like a doctor. This is why when Fynn denied a mass protect ability I found it weird, because from the narrative and what I got that's exactly what happened. Plus the rest of Fynn's argument relies on highly conditional stuff that seemed improbable and too much conjecture. Like no nightkill would be weird.

I will reiterate that I copied and pasted my statement from Karifean.

[Fynn]

Every witch also has an avility that is not killing

[Pumpkin]

Yeah that would make my theory of TSoL being a witch wrong because guy in the hall would have been called candy. Unless interference in some way. I guess if it was a mass role-block mine wouldn't have had effect either and TSoL would have remained candyless

But then again I also believe Nutty to be a witch and he could have been the one to execute the action instead of TSoL. They do have their own abilities to use that they can't use if they kill, so they might have decided to just have him do nothing or use his other ability

[Pumpkin]

Wait why would Fynn have two abilities from two different characters?

[Formalhaut]

And of course if I'm wrong on the mass-roleblock then the entire thing falls apart as the rewriting roles get to have some fun.

But if no mass-roleblock went through, then how did no-one die? Again, possible that the witches did nothing. Or one re-write acted like a janitor, but even then I'm sure Karifean would indicate that 'someone' died, as the barest minimum for a kill writeup.

I don't know. I've said what I feel about the writeup, and I don't think we're going to make any headway with it unless someone roleclaims.

For now though:

##Vote: FFNut

For the tunnelling of Mr. Carny (who I believe is likely to be Town) despite other possible points of suspicion. The dodgy sounding Purple Statement and accusing Pumpkin without much cause.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Wait why would Fynn have two abilities from two different characters?

I said he was targeted by two abilities. I can see what people are targeted with.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Stealth coincides with the person hiding in the shadows.

[Pumpkin]

Ohhh okay I thought you said he HAD those two abilities, my bad

[Formalhaut]

And Pumpkin could easily be Pained and now she triggered it and she's out to get everyone. Pained can roleclaim to activate themselves.

I have an ability that allows me to see what abilities are performed on others. From that list, I can ask for one to be explained. I targeted Fynn. He had Intimidate and Stealth. I asked about the former. I was told it can be used to one shot prevent from a nightlife or use regularly a protect one person like a doctor. This is why when Fynn denied a mass protect ability I found it weird, because from the narrative and what I got that's exactly what happened. Plus the rest of Fynn's argument relies on highly conditional stuff that seemed improbable and too much conjecture. Like no nightkill would be weird.

Could you explain? I'm fairly stupid.

So you can see what abilities are performed on others? So are you saying Fynn was intimidated and stealthed?

[Fynn]

Woah

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also, Pumpkin how do we not know you're a Pained. If you are Pained then your roleclaim just triggered it.

[Formalhaut]

Kinda have it explained now. Thanks!

I'm curious what Stealth does, to be honest. It sounds quite vague.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also I'm at work :/

[Pumpkin]

I mean, I wasn't told I was pained. I imagine I'd get a message or something. Could be Karifean hasn't read my roleclaim and hasn't informed me yet if that's the case

So basically if I wasn't told at the beginning then I know about as much as you do when it comes to that!

[Formalhaut]

If Pumpkin is the Pained, I'm not sure she would trigger it voluntarily. Winning as a Serial Killer is tough, as you've got to play just well enough to not get lynched from suspicion, but not too well so you're not nightkilled. And this is literally her first game. That's a baptism of fire.

[Formalhaut]

Of course, she might not be told she is the Pained. But that sounds kinda dickish to have that hidden from you.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Karifean, will a role claim trigger a Pained? Can they voluntarily trigger it?

Ask the source!

[Karifean]

It absolutely will, and they absolutely can.

Edit: Tfw you regret making a post 2 seconds after making it, but you can't take it back. Oh well. That happened.

[Pumpkin]

So they will be informed of their pain status, I imagine?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

A Pained if they knew, oils never admit to it because their goal becomes to kill all others. So simply saying you're not a Pained is not enough. A Pained would simply say such in order to survive.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yes, Fynn was targeted by two abilities last night.

I also think the person in the shadows was the same as using Stealth.

[Formalhaut]

If Pumpkin knew she was Pained in her Role PM, I find it unlikely she would do make herself a Pained.

If Pumpkin had that hidden from her, well, then, I guess anyone could be a Pained at this point.

[Pumpkin]

A Pained if they knew, oils never admit to it because their goal becomes to kill all others. So simply saying you're not a Pained is not enough. A Pained would simply say such in order to survive.

Well clearly I would say that and I can't prove otherwise!

So if I get voted off the island then so be it. I get it, no one wants to be serial killed and I'm the only one who has role claimed.

Just at least think it over about what I said about TSoL and Nutty. There is more than one witch. Everything but TSoL's statement indicates as much and I know Karifean wouldn't be so careless as to leave a mistake like that. Nutty's statement is also suspish and he's not defended himself well. They also have both jumped on me when I've raised suspicions and now are trying to make me look like the pained which, fair enough, I can't disprove with anything other than my word and its hard to trust anyone is these game. I just hope you've all seen that I've been open and honest and at least take my arguments in to consideration because I am fairly sure of who I think the witches are.

If there are more than 2 witches then I don't know about it and I have no idea who the cynic could be

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Not necessarily, she role claims and gains our trust. Goes after the witch and cynic then if a few humans die at the same time then more advantageous for her. She establishes trust then slowly kills others off.

There is no reason to reveal your character and ability name when Pained is in play. I did my reveal without saying who I was or the name of my ability.

[Pumpkin]

Except that this has obviously put a big target on my back here. If I'm not lynched I'll probably be night killed (unless it suits the witch narrative to call me pained~) and I'm just not an experienced enough player to pull that off. Sure, I could try it, but I'm not stupid enough to think I'd be successful

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Pumpkin, I jumped on you after you jumped on me. So there's that. And my arguments make sense given the nature of Pained. If anyone role claimed like you I would be all over that. Also I wasn't the only one who showed a wariness of role claiming regarding Pained. Also, I haven't voted for you merely pointing out some issues with what you said just like you feel like you're doing.

[Pumpkin]

Fair enough

[Fynn]

I think that if Pumpkin knew she was Pained, she wouldn't voluntarily trigger it, as Formy said, since deciding to be against everyone this early in the game would be super risky.

I can also say that, whoever targeted me did not roleblock me because I carried out my night action without a hitch.

##vote: FFNut, because it makes the most sense at this point


Don't think you're off the hook yet, Bobby :p

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I hate you Europeans since the kitchen is about to open. :P

I think it is naive to think a Pained wouldn't do that.

[Fynn]

It's only naïve if you think the person you think is Pained cannot plan at all.

[Fynn]

Now I wonder if two people got to know separate things about me, or if one player's action canceled the other out...

[Formalhaut]

I understand the 'gaining our trust' mechanic but Pumpkin was fairly low down at least my suspicion list so to take a risky gambit like that would've been foolish to say the least.

[Fynn]

Especially since I really think it isn't reasonable to take such a risk this early in the game

[Formalhaut]

It's why I find it hard to believe Mr. Carny is a witch, after making several unforced errors at the very start of the day. There was literally no reason for him to stick his neck out in the most ungainful fashion.

I also find Pumpkin to be registering lower down my list because her purple statement was the first to mention a cynic, and is backed up by two other statements. Even if one of those statements is a lie, the other corroborates it.

[Pumpkin]

I have class soon but let's try and organize our suspicions a bit. These are the suspicions that I seem to recall have been raised. Feel free to correct me if I remember wrong

Pumpkin:
-Revealed role which could mean she's pained and go on a serial killing spree
-Deductions may have been stretched
-May have tried to perform a night kill

FFNut:
-Reacted very poorly to being put under suspicion
-Sketchy defensive for himself and his role
-Selective focus on purple statements
-Purple statement that doesn't seem to suit the narrative

Fynn:
-Conveniently timed purple statement that adds to a previously mentioned statement

Formy:
-Staunch defense of Mr. Carny

Scruffington:
-Refusal to state purple statement

Laddy:
-A lot of time absent

TSoL:
-A purple statement that seems to contradict other parts of the game narrative
-Weird phrasing in the purple statement

Quin:
-MIA

Mr. Carny:
-Sticking his neck out as a sacrifice
-Aggressive play

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Just because it is Pumpkin doesn't mean she couldn't be playing us all. I mean she's the last person you'd think to do it so what better cover is there?

Also, the style of my statement isn't weird since I copied and pasted it from Karifean. So there's that.

Urgh why is it busy today!?