EoFF Mafia XXVIII Game Thread - Banquet of the Voyager Witches

[Formalhaut]

In the same vein, just because you say you cut and paste your statement doesn't mean you're telling the truth. I really wish people would stop implying I can't play the game because I can't see past friendships. That's the second time that's happened now and it is more than a little insulting.

To be honest, I would be far more suspicious of Pumpkin if she roleclaimed unprovoked. Nutty did vote for her saying she did something, so her claiming in defence makes sense.

Of course, that's also the perfect opportunity to claim safely and trigger yourself. But then, I still don't think someone would want to become a SK unless they absolutely must. At this point, we're just getting circular arguments.

[Fynn]

To be fair, Karifean did use "the purple" when revealing his truth


Right, I believe I should also just about tell you my own red truth. After all, every player got one. Oh but since it's me I guess I don't have to use the purple, do I?

When a player dies, only the type of their alignment (Human or Witch) is revealed.

[Formalhaut]

Very true and a good observation. It could be he used 'the purple' because by that point it was the end of the day and everyone knew what he meant. I'd suspect in a Role PM at the very start of the first Day for him to use full terminology to avoid confusion, but who knows. That certainly brings into doubt suspicion over his Role PM.

[Fynn]

I'd also like to point out that that statement pretty much confirms that Karifean views himself as a player

[Formalhaut]

Oh my God Karifean's a witch. Burn him!

[Fynn]

Maybe not, but he may just be one of the players who can influence the wite-ups

[Fynn]

(i'd also like to point out how different scruff's playstyle is this time around though that may not mean anything just saying)

[Karifean]

https://i.imgur.com/lp2xh97.png
Of course I am a witch. I am the Witch of Theatergoing, didn't you know?

[Formalhaut]

Do we break the game if we burn Karifean the witch? Do we enter into an alternate reality?

[FFNut]

I just would like to come clean about something. Pumkin has seen that Bobby and I have been Mognnetting each other and this is her whole base on both of us. I am going to Montreal in July and asked if he and his boyfriend wanted to meet up for dinner while I am there which they accepted. So voting off Pumkins theory is a vote for me meeting Bobby for Dinner. Just tossing that out there.

[FFNut]

Which is also why I reacted the way I did too. Just annoyed more than anything that something outside the thread was used to lynch me and toss Bobby under the bus too. I have no doubt she is pained too with a role claim nailing two targets.

[Fynn]

I've watched some mognets as well, but can we please not bring that into the table? It ruins the immersion of the game. Not once did Pumpkin mention those mognet messages so you really didn't have to bring it up

[FFNut]

It was brought to me. It is why I didn't bring it up too, but it is funny that it is Bobby and I that are witches, and she brought up to Karifean that we were mognetting each other.

[Fynn]

Where did she bring that up!

[FFNut]

I had that information Mognetted to me. That is the base of her searches.

[FFNut]

I found out two days ago and kept it out BTW. However it is odd those are her claims, and she is leading a lynch mob on it.

[Fynn]

Even if it was mognetted, it should not be brought up here because it casts everything in a different light and I'm sure not in a way Karifean intended

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Sorry if you took my point the wrong way Formy it was more to Fynn and just everyone's lack of worry regarding a Pained. You can't say if someone was a Pained they lay low and then say that Pumpkin was laying low so she isn't. Seemed weird to me.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Rush is over.

#worstemployeeever

[Formalhaut]

You shouldn't have brought it up, but I don't think there's any harm done. People talk to each other outside the game, how scandelous. Hell, me and Mr.Carny live together. I think we can trust another to play the game fairly.

I will say though that I see no evidence of Pumpkin having any knowledge of these messages, so it is very strange you bring it up in the first place.

[Fynn]

Pumpkin didn't use the mognetting as reasoning for her targetting you - she used actual arguments based on what you're saying within the thread to point out flaws in your reasoning and behavior. If anything, you bringing the mognets up here proves more than anything that you don't have a clear conscience, since it looks like you're trying to fall back on something that shouldn't even be a part of the game in order to justify Pumpkin opting to vote for you.

I know for a fact that Pumpkin isn't the Pained because I got the information on who the Pained is through my night skill. Of course I can't reveal who they are for obvious reasons, but I also find it interesting how TSoL keeps pushing that idea even though it's based on pretty flimsy reasoning. In light of what Nutty revealed, I'd say that;s all pretty damning.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

There might be a loophole in there. Pained is only active if we know their identity/ability. So if we know what player is Pained but not their identity would it activate? This is more to Karifean. Also, what if there's more than one Pained?

You just now say you know who it is so before that other than you saying she wasn't I had no more proof than that. You simply said you didn't think she was and was adamant which made me think you knew more. I pushed, you revealed you did. I say it worked well, didn't it?

[Fynn]

Except now I'll probably die tonight

[Pumpkin]

Wow, okay. This is feeling kind of personal attacky.

I mognetted Karifean YESTERDAY (not two days ago) saying I did see a lot of mognet activity and I was worried I hate cheated or something because it did raise suspicions. Karifean assured me that the witches communicate via discord chat and not via mognet, which made me feel better because otherwise I would have felt like an accidental cheater and bowed out because I didn't want to find out information outside of the thread. If I was just trying to be sneakysneaky I wouldn't have talked to Karifean about it at all.

I also was not trying to look for that, I often check the who is online to check forum activity, which I started doing long before this game.

When I was suspicious because I saw mognetting not ONCE did I bring that up in thread as a way to try and turn on you guys and I have provided considerable amounts of evidence as to why I believe you guys are the witches that had zero to do with any mognet messaging. So dismissing my whole arguments on that basis is pretty insulting, frankly, when I could have just like... not communicated with Karifean and tried to do the right thing and just tried to turn people against you some other way.

But hey, thanks for that

[Scruffington]

To be fair if I had seen someone mognetting who was playing in the game, I would assume they are likely mafia.

Obviously you're not just going to come out and say 'I saw x mognetting, they're mafia." You would come up with reasons aside from this to justify leading a lynch against them.

I do have a solution to this problem for future games.

[Fynn]

It's not a problem if we're using mafia accounts since they're set to private. We could all also just agree to set our accounts to private for the duration of the mafia to avoid such situations.

[Scruffington]

It's not a problem if we're using mafia accounts since they're set to private. We could all also just agree to set our accounts to private for the duration of the mafia to avoid such situations.

Use Invisible Mode. This doesn't allow anyone to see if someone is PMing someone else.

Alternatively there are a few external communication methods...such as Discord, which I've been suggesting a few times already. :P

[Pumpkin]

Which is what Karifean said they were using to communicate, so I have no reason to distrust those two on that basis anymore

[Scruffington]

Which is what Karifean said they were using to communicate, so I have no reason to distrust those two on that basis anymore

Obviously the host is going to try and protect the integrity of the game. I certainly would.

The allegation here is that you saw FFNut and TSoL messaging each other, assumed they were mafia, and attempted to find justification to support this. You did say that it 'raised suspicions' and today you are leading a lynch against both of them.

[FFNut]

Her claim is she doesn't think my truth exists. Am I the only one who checked the Wiki with it? It is a known rule under the handicap roles. Still don't know how my truth is false off of that reasoning.

[Pumpkin]

Alright, I'm done. Go ahead and lynch me off, I'm just done. I actually came up with my reasons for what I believe that had nothing to do with any messages but now it's just all about this stupid mognet thing and I'm just done

Or Karifean can feel free to modkill me. Sorry guys, this just isn't worth it. It's insulting and stressful and just not worth it

[Scruffington]

I can somewhat understand both sides. Unfortunately, Nutty got really frustrated and decided to reveal that himself and TSoL are both witches. I can't blame his frustration tbh.

[Fynn]

Which is what Karifean said they were using to communicate, so I have no reason to distrust those two on that basis anymore

Obviously the host is going to try and protect the integrity of the game. I certainly would.

The allegation here is that you saw FFNut and TSoL messaging each other, assumed they were mafia, and attempted to find justification to support this. You did say that it 'raised suspicions' and today you are leading a lynch against both of them.

Except Pumpkin did not raise this in the thread and only started accusing Nutty after having heard from Karifean that the mognet weren't the case. Nutty was the one who brought the mognets into the conversation in an attempt to show Pumpkin she doesn't have any concrete basis for her accusations, which she does

[Scruffington]

Alright, I'm done. Go ahead and lynch me off, I'm just done. I actually came up with my reasons for what I believe that had nothing to do with any messages but now it's just all about this stupid mognet thing and I'm just done

Or Karifean can feel free to modkill me. Sorry guys, this just isn't worth it. It's insulting and stressful and just not worth it

You're not a cheater or anything. Pretty sure no one believes that at all :)

I think what happened is you stumbled upon Nutty's profile when he was messaging TSoL. This instantly kind of paints him as guilty in your eyes, as it would make him look guilty to anyone. And even though Karifean tried to convince you otherwise, you'll still be suspicious of him because of that.

It's more just an accident than anything, honestly.

[Fynn]

Except she has actual, valid reasons to suspect Nutty other than mognets

I did not see the mognet messages and came to assume the same as her

[Pumpkin]

Well like I already EXPLAINED my issues with his purple statement, which he is ignoring, because now everything I say is just "but because of messages"

I feel like friggin Hillary Clinton up in here

[Scruffington]

Except Pumpkin did not raise this in the thread and only started accusing Nutty after having heard from Karifean that the mognet weren't the case. Nutty was the one who brought the mognets into the conversation in an attempt to show Pumpkin she doesn't have any concrete basis for her accusations, which she does

Pumpkin admitted she had seen mognets and Nutty confirmed something regarding Mognetting (I'm assuming Karifean messaged him and attempted to explain that Pumpkin saw him messaging someone).

[Fynn]

It's still interesting how you keep dismissing her actual arguments, despite the fact there's actual damning evidence against Nutty, especially since he himself brought the mognets into the question


It's almost as if you're playing for the same team

[FFNut]

What evidence against me? I have yet to see any?

[Fynn]

Except the fact that your statement doesn't fit, you're basing your accusations on incredibly flimsy reasons, and then you bring the mognets into the picture when you can no longer make a solid case against yourself

I'd say that's pretty telling. And not particularly clever.

[Scruffington]

Except she has actual, valid reasons to suspect Nutty other than mognets

I did not see the mognet messages and came to assume the same as her

I explained why this could be the case earlier. You see someone messaging someone else, assume they are mafia, but you can't use that as evidence because it's practically cheating and poor form. So instead you have to either use an ability or scumhunt them down.


Well like I already EXPLAINED my issues with his purple statement, which he is ignoring, because now everything I say is just "but because of messages"

I feel like friggin Hillary Clinton up in here

Well what he's positing (which I can somewhat understand) is that you seeing him messaging someone is the basis for your suspicion. Obviously you're bringing up some valid reasons for painting him as mafia now, but I think he's suggesting that you wouldn't have been suspicious (or as suspicious of him) in the first place had you not seen him messaging someone.

@Fynn: Nutty already admitted that he and TSoL are mafia.

[Fynn]

Where did he do that?

[Scruffington]

Where did he do that?


It was brought to me. It is why I didn't bring it up too, but it is funny that it is Bobby and I that are witches, and she brought up to Karifean that we were mognetting each other.

[Fynn]

While I believe that they are mafia, I doubt he intentionally outed himself and Bobby and probably meant something else

[Pumpkin]

For the record I never mention who I saw messaging each other in the mognet I sent to Karifean so that kind of further incriminates yourself

Anyways, sorry if I ruined the game guys! I really did believe him when he said they were talking in Discord and I had my suspicions day one but that all sounds like fluff now, so I mean

Sorry guys

[Scruffington]

I have work, so I'll be out until later tonight.

[Fynn]

Cmon guys, no one's ruining the game


Let's just move on, eh? We'll see how much truth there is to everyone's words. For now, we have three votes on Nutty - who knows, he might just flip human when he gets lynched! Wouldn't that be a curveball for the ages!

[Formalhaut]

You've nothing to apologise for. People need to remember that people do other things outside the game. People talk to each outside the game because this is a forum and people talk on forums.

I see nothing wrong with Nutty messaging TSoL. They could be talking about gardening for all I care.

Seriously though, this is something out of nothing. I live with another player so if a message is suspicious then I don't know anymore. Can we drop this, if at all possible? I don't know, this seems to be something that'll only go nowhere and mess things up for people.

[Pumpkin]

Aye, let's move on. While I know who I think the witches are, that doesn't mean I'm correct, and we still have no idea who the cynic is. Or at least I don't

[Fynn]

Yeah, the Cynic is gonna be the worst part of all this

[Formalhaut]

For what it is worth, I still think Nutty was suspicious even before all this happened. My vote sticks.

[Pumpkin]

Imagine if the cynic is also the pained and then we out the cynic and then they go on a mass killing spree?

That would be bad news bears

[Fynn]

Same

[Fynn]

I highly doubt that, to be honest

[Pumpkin]

Yeah me too but you have to admit that would make for a pretty interesting twist

[Fynn]

I don't think it's beyond Karifean to do that XD

[Formalhaut]

Care Bears?

no :stare:

But Care Bears are cute and cuddly and fun!

http://www.publishersweekly.com/images/data/ARTICLE_PHOTO/photo/000/041/41105-1.JPG

[Formalhaut]

Also I think Pumpkin should prove to us her trustworthiness by giving us candy like she said she would.



GIVE US CANDY.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1bd773f7e59f908fdc07482006f7761/tumblr_inline_nvnwrmJ0am1r4j8j1_500.gif

[Pumpkin]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's care bears

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So what did I miss? I finally finished work. Now I can engage properly.

[Karifean]

The debate got even more heated than the day before. Even though nobody had died the night before, arguments were made for who could or could not be messing with everyone. The atmosphere was tense, and eventually it was decided that everybody would cool their heads for a bit and resume later.

While walking past one another in the hall, a young man slipped a letter into another man's pocket while the latter seemed to be thinking deeply about something else. The man noticed the letter later on and read it in solitude. The contents brought a smile to his face.

After about a half hour had passed, people started reconvening in the parlor. Eventually everyone besides the apparently mute adolescent had returned. His friends started getting worried, so everyone decided to head over to his room to see if he was alright. They opened the door slowly, and an unfortunate sight came into view: it seems he had accidently hit himself with a baseball bat and taken a bad spill. Some started screaming and it didn't take long until all of them realized... it was simply too late.

Huckleberry Quin has been modkilled for absence.
They were Keiichi Maebara, Human Aligned Magician of Words.

Someone who had kept their cool at the sight quickly brought up that there could be clues hidden in his room. And indeed, it seems the man bad a bit of information he'd never had a chance to share with anyone.

One player is called the "Witch of Truth".

Finally, they decided to return to the parlor. They still had a job to do. And just now things were getting serious.

Umineko OST - Dread of the Grave -More Fear- (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=MqrTHd49aJ0&p=n)


Halftime (Day 2)


24 hours remain in the voting phase. Majority lockdowns are now enabled.

Voting Log

FFNut -> Pumpkin
Pumpkin -> FFNut
Formalhaut -> FFNut
Fynn -> FFNut

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So now that I read everything properly, I believe I'm the gummy bear in the narrative and the girl was Fynn. Why? Pumpkin's claim she used her ability on me so my name would appear as a candy, no? The only reference is candy. I used my ability on Fynn and showed two used on him: Intimidate and Stealth. Intimidate was the guy with the sword in the hall (which is confirmed by the fact that I told it can prevent a kill on a target or one time use of a general preventing nightkill). The narrative also said there was a person in the shadows outside of the girl's door. That coincides with Stealth, or at least what I imagine it could do since I could only get a description of one ability.

Given all this, it is obvious I am the Candy (Pumpkin's ability), Fynn is the girl (I was in the same room as him because my ability and Stealth was used on him and there was a person in the shadows outside that door). This also leads to the fact that Fynn WAS going to leave his room that night and decided against it. The man with the sword ability is a deterrent to nightkills. The only reason why Fynn wouldn't leave his room is if he was going to do a nightkill. Otherwise it'd be pointless to mention he was going to do a night activity then didn't? Unless Stealth also prevents its target from executing their night skill as well.

I still believe the adult in the hall was the witch nightkill that failed. Fynn either has a nightkill and was detected by Intimidate (it only deters kills) or Stealth applied on him has a secondary ability of preventing his night ability.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Someone is passing notes around and I'm curious as hell since I'm female. I didn't get it. Anyone wanna share with the class?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

What's majority today? 4?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

We are even now with Quin gone. Is there an alchemist in play then?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So I guess 5? Anyone?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Oh I'm at work and everyone is active but as soon as I'm done I'm all alone. :(

[Formalhaut]

With 8 people, the majority is at five.

If Pumpkin's sweeten ability worked, then that means a mass-roleblock didn't happen. Fynn has stated several times that his ability also went through. Nutty has also implied that he was able to track as well.

So either a mass-roleblock happened or not. I'm so confused. The writeup said the intimidating man went through every room?

[Formalhaut]

Don't worry TSoL. I'm here!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Intimidate only prevents night kills. There was someone lurking in the shadows which indicates night abilities worked. Plus the fact that mine worked which is how I know how Intimidate works and that Fynn was targeted by two abilities, Intimidate and Stealth.

[Formalhaut]

If a mass roleblock did happen, the only way people could say their abilities went through is if they had some piercing unblockable ability, (and at three, that's a lot of unblockable ones), or they have a greater priority over the block, but blocking is at a very high priority.

Ugh, I'm confused.

[Formalhaut]

Oooooh is it just night kills it blocks?

That makes sense.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Which if Fynn is the girl in the room it means that he was roleblocked (they decided against leaving the room) by Intimidate or Stealth. Intimidate would mean he has a nightkill. Stealth would mean it has a roleblocking effect.

Unless I'm wrong and Pumpkin is saying her ability didn't work and she's the girl in the room. Then whoever was outside her door in the shadows has a roleblocking ability.

[Formalhaut]

Intimidate sounds like a roleblocky move, but I suppose it could function like a Doctor.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yeah Intimidate only blocks nightkill. Why the witch didn't kill anyone.

[Formalhaut]

So TSoL, any candidates for voting?

[FFNut]

Ok now that I am not with only one eye on half of this and the other working, where I really couldn't look everything over here I go.

My vote stays on Pumkin. Here are the main reasons why.

A. When I watched her she went to do something, but was blocked. A kill was also blocked and I think she was the hitman yet it failed.

B. She had a open role claim and ability claim that means she is either a) a witch, or b) not feared of being pained and now is indeed pained due to it if that is how being pained does indeed work.

C. Her whole attack on me was she didn't feel my truth is real which it is. It is a known thing used in many games to add some flavour. Gives people a element of doubt on their results. More on the village idiot later in the post.

If you ignore these things you are being wilfully blind.

Now about my stupid truth which I never wanted to tell anyhow yet the feeling was attack if you didn't:

the villiage idiot according to the wiki is a secondary skill that isn't a main. It is put there to put doubt in players who know it is in play and makes the game fun. It isn't a point make this person dumb and boom their skill backfires.

If I could have lied I would have, but I can't. Towns get Mod killed for lies and I am Human aligned.

[FFNut]

While I believe that they are mafia, I doubt he intentionally outed himself and Bobby and probably meant something else


I was was at work with one hand on a wrench that was attached to something spitting fire and the other hand on my phone typing. I paid more attention to the more Immediate risk to my health and safety. Sorry everyone there.

I was trying to say she was looking towards both of us as mafia due to me going to Montreal this summer. I don't know about Bobby, but I can say I am human in game.

[FFNut]

For the record I never mention who I saw messaging each other in the mognet I sent to Karifean so that kind of further incriminates yourself

Anyways, sorry if I ruined the game guys! I really did believe him when he said they were talking in Discord and I had my suspicions day one but that all sounds like fluff now, so I mean

Sorry guys

Which is why I was asked if I was cheating because "PUMPKIN" said she saw us Mognet Messaging.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

As you all know, I'm a cautious voter. So right now I am waiting it out and I want to see how people react to this Halftime.

There was a not given and I have no idea from who or to whom. I think people should share with the class.

I have suspicions about Fynn but will wait and see what he says before I vote.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

A note given not a not.

[Formalhaut]

As you all know, I'm a cautious voter. So right now I am waiting it out and I want to see how people react to this Halftime.

There was a not given and I have no idea from who or to whom. I think people should share with the class.

I have suspicions about Fynn but will wait and see what he says before I vote.

Fair enough.

I will say though: I really want for Laddy to speak more. He's barely said a peep.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yeah I am curious as to what he has to say. Also Carny has been pretty quiet lately. I saw a few posts here and there but nothing substantive. Go wake him Formy :p

[Formalhaut]

Yeah, he just told me to tell you guys that he's asleep and he'll be back tomorrow evening. He was pretty tired from work.

Which is no excuse because you work in a smurfing kitchen (which sounds like hell to me) but what can you do! :monster:

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I was also horribly irresponsible and checked my phone too many times. Though the last few hours I ignored it and spent putting away stuff since we got new shelves in our prep kitchen then helped the nights guys with a special. :D

[FFNut]

You me both. I broke a ton of rules at work today with my phone. Phones are a big no no in a natural gas plant as they cause an explosion hazard as the electronics are not a sealed system, yet there I was trying to defend myself from someone who if they do turn town, will be pained and willingly pained themselves.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Do agree that we shouldn't rule out Pumpkin being Pained. But like I said anyone who says their ability/identity should be a danger of being Pained.

So who got the letter? No one? Come on guys...

[Scruffington]

Back from work.

Laddy is still missing. I am willing to bet he is dead.

[FFNut]

I am almost wondering the same thing. I haven't seen him since his truth claim.

[Formalhaut]

You me both. I broke a ton of rules at work today with my phone. Phones are a big no no in a natural gas plant as they cause an explosion hazard as the electronics are not a sealed system, yet there I was trying to defend myself from someone who if they do turn town, will be pained and willingly pained themselves.

Jesus Nutty don't explode the natural gas plant just because of Mafia!

I mean, yeah. Woo, fun Mafia times, but damn. No-one's going to slaughter you if you can't post for a few hours. I certainly wouldn't.

Is Laddy dead? I mean, I wouldn't think so and even if the writeup got obscured somehow you'd think Laddy would say something in the discussion thread in a snarky manner. Hmm.

What if we say his name real loud? LAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDY.

[FFNut]

Well I do it as someone trained how not to blow up a plant. Though I have seen tanks lids blow off.

[Formalhaut]

Well I do it as someone trained how not to blow up a plant. Though I have seen tanks lids blow off.

Badass Nutty over here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PcTzEWBzqiL5u/giphy.gif

[Fynn]

Sorry, Bobby, you're completely off the mark. My character is male.

Believe me or don't, tbh. You've already extracted information that put a target on my back earlier, I'm not falling for that again.


Nutty, the village idiot may be a common role, but you'll notice that all the other roles with established names (i.e. traitor) have had them changed so as to be in line with our setting (i.e. cynic). We have no village here. Therefore, there can be no village idiot. No one is disputing that it's a real role that you found on the wiki - just that you didn't entirely think it through when giving that purple truth. Considering how obsessive Karifean can be with his flavor texts, I highly doubt he'd just half-ass it and keep the village idiot as that.

Bobby, how is it that you know exactly how intimidate works?


As to Laddy being dead - it crossed my mind, tbh. Any ideas how we can verify that?

[Fynn]

Karifean, can you confirm that we need five votes for a majority lockdown?

[FFNut]

We do need 5 it has been confined. I thought I also established that it is a secondary thing that is active that adds flavour if you look it up Fynn.

Now the big Concern to me is still Pumpkin as she did the roll claim. She is now Pained and a serial killer. If Pained are even in he game.

There was only one truth that said Pained too. Funny that is a flavour roll too that isn't in the descriptions. So go ahead and keep trying to lynch on something I had to tell the truth about.

[FFNut]

I will also like to point out how quick Fynn is to end the day. He is just wanting ended fast.

[Fynn]

I am not calling to end the day, though?

I wanted to ask Karifean in an indirect way if Laddy is still with us, since I figured there being fewer of us might influence what counts as the majority. But then I realized I miscalculated, and the majority is still five, whether there's 8 or 9 of us.

It's also important to keep in mind how many people make up a majority not only so you can end the day quicker, but also to make sure you DON'T make the day end too quick. Grasping at ever thinner straws, I see.

[Fynn]

If Pumpkin is Pained, that would mean there are more than one Pained, which would be pretty absurd, but I'll grant you, not outside the realm of possibility.

[FFNut]

I am not grasping at any straws. If anything I would guess that you and Pumpkin are the Witches. I can get Formy's vote for me, it was kinda cute the way I was on Carny and he voted to protect his man. However

The fact you and Pumpkin worked in tandem to fill pages of Fourms.
The fact you ignore her role claim yet believe in Pained in the game.
The fact I have given strong evidence that she tried to make a move at night and it was blocked.

If Laddy is still alive, and I don't think he wouldn't be as the person doing the write up would omit something as strong as that from the game in my opinion makes me look towards her. My vote was from the information I used at night tracking her movements. Read the day 2 opening and you will see her as the gummy bear eater who had a move but got blocked.

Funny you ignore this to fit your narrative, yet vote strictly on... I don't think there is a town idiot.

[FFNut]

How do you get two pained?

[Fynn]

As I mentioned before, I found out who the Pained is at night. It's not Pumpkin. If Punokin is also a Pained, that means there are at least two.

[FFNut]

Interesting also once you guys Lynch me you will know by two night kills. Pained are only in it for themselves, so if two night kills happen or attempted then she is Pained.

Yes I don't think I will survive today.

[Fynn]

And I did not ignore her roleclaim? Everything she said fits both with the narrative and people claiming that she was roleblocked - she can mark a person in the narrative with sweets, so she'd know what her target is doing, but no one got marked as sweets, and yet she was there in the narrative, so that really makes sense. More sense than the village idiot being called a village idiot in this game.

[Fynn]

(FYI, Laddy's a man)

[FFNut]

I know Laddy is a guy. However

I know Pumkin was blocked.

I know she was attempting something

She role claimed without fear of what it could do to town.

All that hat makes me think she is a witch.

If I die two Human aligned players will be targeted for death in the night phase if she is Human Aligned. You are saying that is the best way to check if I am telling the truth? Or would you rather see Human aligned players lose two?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Bobby, how is it that you know exactly how intimidate works?



You mean besides the fact that I have been describing my night ability twice? I can target someone and see what abilities they have been target with. From that I can ask Karifean to explain one of them. I asked him to explain Intimidate.

Oh as for the target comment, if you really thought either FFNut or I were the witch then going after us would have already put a target on your back. Though you have admitted to essentially being the cop but that's not my fault. That could also be a lie and you could know who is Pained because it is you. From the information you gave us, your character is male and you have a cop-like ability. Enough clues to guess and someone could try calling you out and trigger it. Maybe that's your end game?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also, from my understanding whoever has the Intimidate ability could use it to protect you (Fynn) at night or if there is another doctor-like role. So you're not that much in danger.

Also notice I gave two interpretations for the narrative basEd on the information had. Either points to you or Pumpkin thinking about leaving their room during the night. It is possible that there is another character with a candy theme but I'm not familiar with the game/theme.

[Laddy]

Yeah, I've been busy working and stuff. Lemme read the thread

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Good luck, Laddy!

Also, since you admitted to being a male character and a male character received a note during Halftime, was it you Fynn?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Because everyone has been suspiciously quiet on that detail.

[FFNut]

Yes they have, which further points to are Fynn and Pumpkin working as a tandem. I should be honoured I am top of their hit list.

[Fynn]

Good luck, Laddy!

Also, since you admitted to being a male character and a male character received a note during Halftime, was it you Fynn?

Nope

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

If Pumpkin is telling the truth than she's not the one who received it as far as I know. I think the narrative had said a kid gave a man the note?

[Fynn]

The only thing I have admitted to is that my role allows me to identify who the Pained is. Of course, this does not rule out me being a witch due to the abilities not being connected to alignments, but I can confirm that I only knew who the Pained is on day 2.

[Laddy]

All right, I can say I definitely apologize for being so busy.

Considering we're so sparse on information, here I begin to hint at my ability: All I can say is I believe the Night 2 narrative was modified and I may have some clues as to why. Because the night actions are so vague, I can't say much about what they mean but keep in mind the Narrative may be misleading.

[Fynn]

Are you saying that because you changed it? Or is your action not mentioned in the write-up? Because, honestly, I can't really see how my action fits into the write-up either

[Laddy]

I was given information about someone taking notes and discussing talking to a boy with a sword. Candy copied the notes the boy with the notepad took and then proceeded to sleep.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The write up focused on like four characters so it could just be a glimpse or something was omitted. There nothing to say that Karifean has to mention EVERYONE in his write ups.

Also, I know one line hasn't been changed for a fact. #secondaryabilities

Also vague Laddy is vague. Anything more to give us regarding this? Like what sort of information you are privy to that makes you believe that?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Fynn is still not addressing the note. Quelle surprise.

[Laddy]

I'm not sure, it's possible I'm privvy to game knowledge that someone else intends to keep hidden.

[FFNut]

I can confirm Laddy didn't lie with that statement.

[Laddy]

Looks like someone used a protective ability on whomever candy is, I'd wager, whereas candy seems to have an investigative ability.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

That's so vague. Unless you haven't revealed your statement? I can't remember who is left. There is one person. Share with the class, please?

Also, Fynn nothing stops you from lying. You could simply be saying that you have a night skill to reveal the Pained but in truth you are the Pained. Also, any narrative with you would have me in it because I used my skill on you so assume we'd be close proximity in the narrative.

I also know one line in the narrative wasn't modified.

[Laddy]

If a Pained's identity or ability is revealed, their goal changes to wanting to survive alone and kill everyone else.


That's my statement.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Okay so we did see that before. Speaking of which indefinite article usage. Might hunt t more than one Pained. Or just vague enough to keep us guessing.

[Fynn]

I have addressed it. I said I didn't receive any note.

Of course I could be lying - everybody could. But whether you specifically believe me at this point is moot. At this point I expect you'd like to know as much about my skill as you can, since you've already mentioned you suspect I'm a cop, even though the only thing I said was that I knew who the Pained was. I don't think you'd be so quick to out me as such if you weren't a witch, since town kind of needs a cop

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

You outed yourself and I just expanded on it. Plus if the cop is outed then he can be protected, just like I said before. You can continue to twist it to try and frame me. Also, you have given enough info that someone could out you almost as if you were a Pained who wanted to play by their own rules.

Notice how I never tried to identify you or your ability strictly. I use the term cop-like. You admitted as much yourself that you have some sort of investigative powers. So don't cry wolf now.

[Fynn]

Keep in mind that we lost Quin whose ability was "defend". Might be we lost our doctor.

I'm Not using my as justification that I'm not a witch since, as I was saying, abilities aren't tied to alignments. I merely thought that it's unlikely that Pumpkin is Pained when I know for a fact that there's another Pained. As I told Nutty later, he's right that there could possible be more Pained, but that would make the game pretty unwinnabld since you'd potentially have at least two more people who want to prevent both Humans and Witches from winning.

I'm also not trying to twist anything - but you pressuring me in this regard doesn't paint you as innocent in my eyes. To be fair though, I do understand being suspicious of everybody, so that's fair game, I guess. I'm much more convinced it's Nut at this point.

[Fynn]

*my ability

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I pretty much trust no one at this point.

Also Intimidate is still at play and prevent a nightkill but can only single target now. So we have some protection.

I think Pained is to prevent massive ability claims. Let's be honest, there'd be much more ability claiming going on if it wasn't for that mechanic. And given the use of indefinite article we can't rule out there being more than one. So we have to be careful. Think twice about it. I honestly think that Karifean is enjoying making us all paranoid.

[Fynn]

It would be really helpful if we got that last purple statement at this time

I mean, Scruff, I'm not pressuring you and I know that you opting not to say it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a witch since there are many reasons why you'd do that, but we are all still working off of very limited data. I mean, perhaps limited data is better than all data with even MORE false statements than now, but still, it could help

Maybe there's some additional rules regarding the Pained or the Cynic - or hell, the village idiot!

[Formalhaut]

If anything I would guess that you and Pumpkin are the Witches. I can get Formy's vote for me, it was kinda cute the way I was on Carny and he voted to protect his man.

OH FOR THE LOVE OF

Should I temporarily break up with him just so people don't think literally every action I take in this game is to protect him?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Please don't.

Also Scruff or Laddy want to add more? I'm about to go into work. Come onnnnn. You know you wanna.

[FFNut]

Don't you dare break up with him.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also, I sorta realized that whoever is sending the notes probably has the "Whisper" ability.

[Fynn]

If anything I would guess that you and Pumpkin are the Witches. I can get Formy's vote for me, it was kinda cute the way I was on Carny and he voted to protect his man.

OH FOR THE LOVE OF

Should I temporarily break up with him just so people don't think literally every action I take in this game is to protect him?

Shhhhhhhhh

There, there :soothe:

[Formalhaut]

I mean, I'm joking, but damn guys. I'm not thinking with my penis here.

Anyway, I've kinda been thrown back after I realised it isn't a mass-roleblock so much as a mass-protection. The candy girl in the statement then is either Pumpkin saying she didn't use her ability (and thus that is Lamb), or in fact her target (who was eating sweets). Am I getting this right?

As for the cynic, I can tell everyone that I certainly didn't send or recieve any letters. I mean, I can't prove that, but I thought I may as well address that directly. I think it is the cynic who can send letters, as that would make sense for the traitor to be able to have occasional contact with the witches.

Thanks for your input Laddy! Scruff's also been quiet today. We should probably see what he has to say as well. Still think Nutty is the most viable candidate, in my opinion.

[Fynn]

I mean, I'm joking, but damn guys. I'm not thinking with my penis here.

I would've said you were thinking with your heart but ok :erm:

[Pumpkin]

So I've been thinking about this, and really, if I was Pained, my strategy would be pretty stupid.

Either I am correct in who I think the witches are, they get lynched and then.... I lose

OR they aren't witches, innocent people die, suddenly extra people are being killed at night and I'm the only one who has role claimed and no one trusts me anymore after like tonight and then... I lose

I mean I get that I'm not the most brilliant tactician but I'm also not an idiot, come on guys

[FFNut]

I mean, I'm joking, but damn guys. I'm not thinking with my penis here.

I would've said you were thinking with your heart but ok :erm:

I was thinking similar to you there.

[Laddy]

I propose me, TSoL, Carny, and Formy create an alliance for queer dudes. Who's with me?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

And Formy and Carby are kinkier than I thought. I bet they Mafia roleplay too. ;)

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Queers against the world?

[Pumpkin]

I always get excluded from queer dude groups :(

It's discrimination is what it is is what it is

[Fynn]

I agree :stare:

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Fynn can join if you want, but there'll be initiation. ;)

[Formalhaut]

Fynn likes daddies. Maybe us queer dudes can hook him up.

Also, about the game: I'm not buying Pumpkin automatically being Pained. It is a hell of a stretch to assume that the person who roleclaims first must be the Pained. I mean, TSoL and Fynn have all but stated in capital letters what their ability is (which is one of the possible ways to trigger someone). Nutty is believed to have an investigative role (though that might not be enough detail to trigger).

And the Pained could still be in the other four people who haven't roleclaimed. Or maybe it was TSoL when he stated what he knew about the Intimidate ability. Point is, it could be any one of us and unless there's greater evidence, I don't think Pumpkin should be treated as the Pained just because we know her ability.

It's a very limp stick to beat someone with.

[Fynn]

Hehe


Limp

[FFNut]

Hehe


Limp


Now ow you are just being silly... LolZ Limp.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I am suspicious of anyone who literally claims their ability by name and role by name as Pained. Fynn and I haven't done that though there is evidence enough to figure it out.

Easy to find a Daddy for Fynn.

[Fynn]

Also, I was more upset you didn't accept Pumpkin because technically dude is pretty gender-neutral, so she could belong :p



In any case, yeah, I agree that while there might be more Pained, I doubt Pumpkin would just decide to put herself just like that this early

[Fynn]

I'm more like, I want to be a daddy? Like, you know, an actual parent thing that throws around dad jokes and none of that scanDALOUS KINKY SHIT Y'ALL NEED JESUS

http://mysticinvestigations.com/paranormal/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Pope-Francis-sprinkles-Holy-Water.jpg

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

You want to put some Jesus in me? Scandalous Fynn. ;)

[Fynn]

You want to put some Jesus in me? Scandalous Fynn. ;)

:flirt:

[Fynn]

Okay, so now that we've managed to diffuse some tension, I think it's time we got back on track


Not sure if my estimation is correct, but I think we have around seven hours left. Nothing so far has convinced me to change my vote yet, but who knows?

[Laddy]

Yeah. I'm leaning towards voting for Nutty myself, in fact. Even though I've largely been absent, his arguments are bizarre and his insistence on sticking to his guns when they seem to be failing him seem awfully desperate.

[FFNut]

Sticking to my guns because that's all I have. I have no hidden anything, I laid it all on the table. I will make it easy for you all.

##Unvote Pumpkin

##Vote FFNut

someone out there finish me off. Also remeber I know Pumkin is pained and the duel kills on the night will prove it.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

##vote: FFNut.

I can't say why I am right now as I'm at work, but believe me the wait will be worth it.

Here's a hint: Quin's truth is about me.

[FFNut]

I am a witch, my ability is re-write. Hurry up and vote me already, I am done playing now

[Karifean]

A majority lockdown has occurred. The vote is now locked down. Unfortunately since I am at university right now the end of phase post will have to wait.

[Pumpkin]

Wow, as if you're prioritizing University rn

[Fynn]

##vote: FFNut.

I can't say why I am right now as I'm at work, but believe me the wait will be worth it.

Here's a hint: Quin's truth is about me.

So you're the Witch of Truth?

In any case, I fear I may have started a weird trend in the last game...

[Karifean]

More debates ensued as people who'd been quiet previously appeared to be visibly shaken by Keiichi's death and started engaging more in conversation. And although there were some slight distractions along the way, ultimately the conclusion was already set in stone - they had decided that the culprit was... wait, my self-insert, are you serious? Well damn.

Even the accused themselves eventually accepted their fate, and not long thereafter, the decision was made. And finally, a gunshot rang out, ending it.

FFNut has been lynched, they were Tohya Hachijo, Witch Aligned Script Editor.

It appears as though things are starting to look up for the humans...

Umineko OST - ALIVE (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=y_ylNrVEvzY&p=n)

Final Vote Tally

FFNut - 5


Nighttime Phase 2

You have 24 hours to send me a Night Action PM. If I get all of them before the 24 hours are up and nobody mentions that they'd like more time to potentially reconsiders, the phase may end early.

[Fynn]

http://i.imgur.com/Dhmbb6t.gif

[Formalhaut]

Well done team! :D

[Mr. Carnelian]

God damn, I missed the whole day! Sorry guys.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I'll make it up to you all tomorrow evening, honest!

[Fynn]

u suck

[Formalhaut]

I'll make it up to you all tomorrow evening, honest!

Only a witch would say with certainty that they would be alive tomorrow.

WITCH. BURN THE WITCH.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Now that I'm done work, I'll let you in on my secret. I am Kyrie, the Critical Mind, The Witch of the Truth - aligned. My goal is to eliminate all other witches and the Cynic. To this end, I co-operated with Nutty to obtain as much info as I could. It is why I lied about my truth (I'm still a witch after all), to show that I was on his side.

As far as my truth goes it was in Karifean's style. For those who said it wasn't, well you were wrong. All I did was change it from plural to singular, it is true that the cynic knows who the witches are but the witches did not know who the Cynic is.

During this time I also got Nutty's truth. It is that there are TWO Pained Human-Aligned. Also, that the Cynic has a day ability to communicate with anyone at Halftime. The note from the first day? Was sent from the Cynic to Nutty. While Nutty and I took it with a grain of salt, I will share what we learned. First, the Cynic's identity. Second, they implied that they can lie about their truth (if I remember correctly, I'm on my cell so can't easily check my PMs). They also implied that they have a nightkill. We cannot confirm this because of the massive protection used last night.

The other side of this is that Nutty didn't perform his ability last night. Instead I convinced him to do the nightkill and use my Deduced ability. We targeted Carny. The thing is, I can't nightkill which is why I forced him to do it. This also leads credibility to the Cynic's implied nightkill ability. If true they will kill tonight, possibly me since I'm about to blow their cover.

I strongly suspect the Cynic has the ability Whisper and that is how they are sending the notes. I will reveal the Cynic's identity if all the other humans promise not to lynch me tomorrow but the Cynic instead. If this is promised, I will reveal their identity so you guys can perform the appropriate night actions upon the cynic. I would suggest to use Intimidate on them so they can't kill and if there is a cop, use their ability on them to confirm my story.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I told the truth about my Deduced ability and how it works. It has a secondary ability that during the first half of the day I can pick a part of the narrative and ask Karifean if it has been modified and he will tell me at Halftime.

As a show of faith, I will Deduce whoever you guys want tonight and share my list and can collectively decide what ability you want explained. I will also allow the group to decide the use of my secondary.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I am not sure if I will come up as just witch or Witch of the Truth if a cop investigates me. However, I am pretty sure the Cynic will show as such if investigated but I could be wrong.

[Pumpkin]

That's a lot of info to process. I can promise I personally won't lynch you in order to give you a chance to confirm your story and for others to as well, but I can't promise I will immediately believe you about who the cynic is automatically

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

We aren't too sure the letter came from the Cynic themselves, it is the information that we are given and I am sharing it. I might be completely wrong and was given the wrong info.

[Pumpkin]

Sure. I'm willing to give you the benefit of a doubt and I won't lynch you tomorrow. But I'm sure you understand that I'll need to think about whether I trust whatever comes up tomorrow

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Oh I completely get that. That is why I shared Nutty's truth and offered my abilities to the service of the group. I understand it is a bit of a leap and that I was already suspicious to some before. I promise I can't nightkill. Things suggest if someone is nightkill tonight it is because of the Cynic. Thus it is important that we co-operated. Unless there is another nightkilling role.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Okay, wait. I'm not going to wade too deeply into this now, because I'm about to go to bed, but... did TSOL admit to being a witch?

[Pumpkin]

Two pained seems excessive but that would explain the utter paranoia FFNut had about the pained role and why you've been pretty on edge about it too. There is the possibility that Quin was pained, but there's only a small chance of that. Also having a "human-aligned" witch would fit pretty well with the narrative, I feel. I guess we'll need to wait for more information

[Pumpkin]

Okay, wait. I'm not going to wade too deeply into this now, because I'm about to go to bed, but... did TSOL admit to being a witch?

His claim is essentially that he's the opposite of the cynic. He's on the human side despite being a witch

If we're supposed to lynch the witches in order to win though, does that mean we have to lynch him even if he is actually on our side, or does it basically shift to having to lynch the other witch and the cynic?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Okay, wait. I'm not going to wade too deeply into this now, because I'm about to go to bed, but... did TSOL admit to being a witch?

I admitted that I am a witch whose goal is to off the other witches, or witch in this case, and the Cynic. I'm kind of the the witch version of the Cynic I suppose.

Yes, Pumpkin that's also why I was worried about Pained Humans because Nutty shared with me that there was two. It is why I suggested beforehand that there might be more than one Pained.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Okay, wait. I'm not going to wade too deeply into this now, because I'm about to go to bed, but... did TSOL admit to being a witch?

His claim is essentially that he's the opposite of the cynic. He's on the human side despite being a witch

If we're supposed to lynch the witches in order to win though, does that mean we have to lynch him even if he is actually on our side, or does it basically shift to having to lynch the other witch and the cynic?

I believe I would count with humans because my conditions were met. Like how the Cynic counts as a witch in so far as win conditions are concern

[Laddy]

Yet you'd still have to die in order for the Hukans to win, yes? Otherwise why be considered a Witch?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The Cynic is considered a Human but does not need to die for the Witches to win. For the sake of victory conditions, Cynic counts as witch. It is merely if they are investigated they will come up as Human or Cynic Human. I am unsure how far our version of "cop" powers would work, or if we even have one.

[Fynn]

But what if you're the Pained? It would make sense for you to betray the witches at this point since you'd be out to get everybody now that you've revealed your own identity and ability. Especially considering that you were the first to jump to this conclusion for Pumpkin - as if you were already thinking of that possibility for yourself

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Fynn, I am a witch. Pained are Human-aligned.

[Scruffington]

His claim is essentially that he's the opposite of the cynic. He's on the human side despite being a witch

If we're supposed to lynch the witches in order to win though, does that mean we have to lynch him even if he is actually on our side, or does it basically shift to having to lynch the other witch and the cynic?

Except this is utterly false, and I have evidence to prove this.



The Witch of Truth's goal is to be the sole survivor and kill everyone else.



This is TSoL's win condition. He confirmed he is The Witch of Truth, and now we can confirm he is mafia.

[Fynn]

Whose truth said that? I honestly can't remember.

[Scruffington]

Whose truth said that? I honestly can't remember.

Mine. I've been waiting for the right opportunity to reveal it, and here it is.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Nutty's truth was that there was two Human-aligned Pained. Now you can say that I am lying, but this is why I am offering this deal and said what I have said to show you I am telling the truth and willing to work with the humans since we share a goal.

Also, you know I am a witch and I will come up a witch if there is a cop. I have no allies in this group at the moment except for the Cynic which I am offering up because it is my win condition and without my co-operation you will have more difficult time figuring who that out is.

Put it this way, as we stand right now treating mean like a Pained or treating me like a Witch is the same thing. What I am offering here is chance to work together and for me to prove myself. I do not have a nightkill ability and I am offering my Deduced ability to the collective service.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Scruff, how cute since I know from our correspondence that the Cynic can lie about their truths.

Oh, if you guys missed that the information I was ransoming? Scruff is the Cynic. His win condition is to kill all the humans.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

To be clear, I know from the letter you sent Nutty on Day One that you can lie. I distinctly recall being shared that information.

[Scruffington]

Scruff, how cute since I know from our correspondence that the Cynic can lie about their truths.

Oh, if you guys missed that the information I was ransoming? Scruff is the Cynic. His win condition is to kill all the humans.

How about we put my statement to the test and lynch you tomorrow, then? If I'm lying, I'm a Witch and an easy lynch the next day.

[Fynn]

Now that you have revealed the Cynic, I'm more inclined to believe you. It didn't really make sense for you to make us promise since having the cynic revealed and lynched would be beneficial to both you and us, and if the game hadn't ended when the cynic was lynched, you'd be proven wrong

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Scruff, how cute since I know from our correspondence that the Cynic can lie about their truths.

Oh, if you guys missed that the information I was ransoming? Scruff is the Cynic. His win condition is to kill all the humans.

How about we put my statement to the test and lynch you tomorrow, then? If I'm lying, I'm a Witch and an easy lynch the next day.

How about we don't but say we did?

FYI you are a human who wins with the witches. Also, I admit to who I am and my role, my abilities, and all information I have gathered. The whole time you have been tight lipped.

Moreover, you hinted to the fact that you can night kill, so who is to say I would even survive the night? Not that would try to kill me now because it would make it obvious who the Cynic is. Actually if ANY nightkill happens it won't be me and all fingers will point back to you.

Hell, if there is a tracker, track me tonight and see what I do. I will use Deduce on whoever the human players ask.

See that's the thing Scruff, I can confirm my story overnight, what about you?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Now that you have revealed the Cynic, I'm more inclined to believe you. It didn't really make sense for you to make us promise since having the cynic revealed and lynched would be beneficial to both you and us, and if the game hadn't ended when the cynic was lynched, you'd be proven wrong

Exactly, you have more to gain from not lynching me tomorrow than anything. The day after? We will come to that. But for now, my deal is for one day to prove myself. Can't you give me that.

The way Scruff is attacking me and disinterested in finding out who the Cynic is just confirms his guilt.

[Pumpkin]

When did he indicate he can night kill?

Also, wouldn't all of this be so much easier if we could all be honest with each other~~

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The Cynic, Scruff, alluded to the ability to nightkill in his letter to Nutty on day one. I do not know if it is true and wasn't confirmed because of the massive Intimidate. We were both not sure if it was true or we were misunderstanding it. I am merely expecting the worst.

[Scruffington]

How about we don't but say we did?

FYI you are a human who wins with the witches. Also, I admit to who I am and my role, my abilities, and all information I have gathered. The whole time you have been tight lipped.

Moreover, you hinted to the fact that you can night kill, so who is to say I would even survive the night? Not that would try to kill me now because it would make it obvious who the Cynic is. Actually if ANY nightkill happens it won't be me and all fingers will point back to you.

Hell, if there is a tracker, track me tonight and see what I do. I will use Deduce on whoever the human players ask.

See that's the thing Scruff, I can confirm my story overnight, what about you?

This is a pretty obvious mafia scramble move.

Your own Purple Statement confirms that the Witches don't know who the Cynic is. If you're saying you do, then your statement is a lie and contradicts what you're saying now.

There's also the part about my Statement, which confirms your alignment and role in the game. Your objective is to kill all of town and you're 100% mafia.

You probably realized that your only play was to fabricate a lie and paint someone else as the Cynic in order to buy yourself another day after Nutty outed you yesterday.

[Scruffington]

Also, I'm not willing to divulge anything about my role unless absolutely necessary.

[Fynn]

When did he indicate he can night kill?

Also, wouldn't all of this be so much easier if we could all be honest with each other~~

I have been honest throughout ;)

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

This is a pretty obvious mafia scramble move.

*yawns*


Your own Purple Statement confirms that the Witches don't know who the Cynic is. If you're saying you do, then your statement is a lie and contradicts what you're saying now.

And there is a purple statement that says the Cynic can send a note to the witches at half time. Go see Fynn's truth, he can back me up here.



There's also the part about my Statement, which confirms your alignment and role in the game. Your objective is to kill all of town and you're 100% mafia.

You mean the part where you can lie about your purple statement?


You probably realized that your only play was to fabricate a lie and paint someone else as the Cynic in order to buy yourself another day after Nutty outed you yesterday.

Yeah but you sent Nutty that letter on Day One. Sounds like you are the one scrabbling. Even if I was lying, it would be their best lead, wouldn't it? I am their best chance at finding the Cynic. Also, even if I get lynched tomorrow they are after you next.

And I found the letter Nutty c&p'd me!


Scruffington Here. I'm the third witch.

Pumkin in kind of exposed my role, which is somewhat problematic for me. I will 100% turn up as cynical Human aligned on Cop investigations, but I am going to attempt to use the 'having athe goal of the witch-aligned player to be false.

Im going to use this stragity against Pumkin at some point in order to get her lynched. I can't do it today as it is to risky and she would be revealed as town. But if I do it day two then the total townies will be down 3. (Assuming both kills go through).

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I edited the above post because I messed up one of the BBCode tags. So there's that. Sorry.

[Pumpkin]

How did I expose Scruffington?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I have no clue. I literally copied and pasted it and Nutty had said he copied and pasted his.

[Fynn]

I think by revealing your purple truth

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I lost track of whose is whose regarding those. Pumpkin was the Cynic one? Oh yeah Formy was the Pained.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Who's is who's*?

[Fynn]

Pumpkin said there was a Cynic and what their goal is. Then my truth was about the note-passing

[Scruffington]

And there is a purple statement that says the Cynic can send a note to the witches at half time. Go see Fynn's truth, he can back me up here.

I agree that his statement is true. We've seen the letter be passed. Your point?


You mean the part where you can lie about your purple statement?

Like I said, we can easily put my Statement to the test. Whether we lynch you or me, it makes no difference. You'll be lynched either way because you're definitely mafia.


Yeah but you sent Nutty that letter on Day One. Sounds like you are the one scrabbling. Even if I was lying, it would be their best lead, wouldn't it? I am their best chance at finding the Cynic. Also, even if I get lynched tomorrow they are after you next.

Genuinely confused by what you mean. I outed your win condition as killing all townies, and in response you accuse me of being the Cynic. Seems like retaliation which is something mafia loves to do.

And I found the letter Nutty c&p'd me!


Scruffington Here. I'm the third witch.

Pumkin in kind of exposed my role, which is somewhat problematic for me. I will 100% turn up as cynical Human aligned on Cop investigations, but I am going to attempt to use the 'having athe goal of the witch-aligned player to be false.

Im going to use this stragity against Pumkin at some point in order to get her lynched. I can't do it today as it is to risky and she would be revealed as town. But if I do it day two then the total townies will be down 3. (Assuming both kills go through).[/QUOTE]

Lmao. Look at all of those basic writing mistakes. When have I ever wrote something like that? I'm a former English major for Christ's sake.

[Pumpkin]

So Scruff, if I recall correctly, earlier in the thread you mentioned how you knew someone was a liar because of your truth or something to that effect. Now that you've revealed your truth, could you elaborate on what you meant?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Actually, Karifean pointed out during the game that if you get lynched (or nightkill?) it will only reveal if you are human or witch. That was way back.

Also, the typing could easily be put to cellphone usage. Hell, I did two humanities BA and I still make weird typos on cellphones and occasionally at a keyboard. So moot point.

Consider this Scruff, if you knew that there is a witch whose goal was to survive everyone, then why didn't you share it sooner? You could have caused a rift in the witches. For someone who would win with humans that would have been a HUGE advantage to make the two witches not trust each other and for the Cynic not to reach out to the witches. If you were human aligned to win then it would have been to all the other HUMAN ALIGNED benefit for you to share right away.

Also, we don't need a lynch to prove me right. If we have a cop they could just investigate you. If my letter is right, you will come up cynical human aligned. *blows kiss*

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Pumpkin has a point, the only known liar you would have know, given that your truth is apparently only connected to Quin's, would have been mine regarding witches. The only way you would have known that is if you were the Cynic.

*drops mic*

[Fynn]

It's actually less of a gamble to target Scruff now, tbh.

If Bobby is telling the truth and Scruff's the Cynic and Bobby's the reverse Cynic, so to speak, then we should immediately win the game right after Scruff gets lynched. If the game doesn't end, that means Bobby's lying and we can get him on the next day.

If we follow Scruff's advice, we kill Bobby and he flips witch, but the game won't end yet, since there's still a Cynic to deal with. Granted, Scruff will then get lynched on the next day, so we would have no way of preventing more any more deaths after the one potentially happening tonight.

Tl;dr: if we listen to Bobby, we might win on Day 3, if we listen to Scruff, we won't win sooner than Day 4

[Fynn]

Him saying one of the truths is false kind of fits into the whole "I'll try to frame Pumpkin" thing that was in the note

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

It's actually less of a gamble to target Scruff now, tbh.

If Bobby is telling the truth and Scruff's the Cynic and Bobby's the reverse Cynic, so to speak, then we should immediately win the game right after Scruff gets lynched. If the game doesn't end, that means Bobby's lying and we can get him on the next day.

If we follow Scruff's advice, we kill Bobby and he flips witch, but the game won't end yet, since there's still a Cynic to deal with. Granted, Scruff will then get lynched on the next day, so we would have no way of preventing more any more deaths after the one potentially happening tonight.

Tl;dr: if we listen to Bobby, we might win on Day 3, if we listen to Scruff, we won't win sooner than Day 4

And everyone, here is a man of reason.

Also, like I suggested. If my information is right, whoever the cop is could investigate Scruff tonight.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also, note I am offering the use of my ability and sharing any information I get at night.

[Scruffington]

So Scruff, if I recall correctly, earlier in the thread you mentioned how you knew someone was a liar because of your truth or something to that effect. Now that you've revealed your truth, could you elaborate on what you meant?

It actually pertains to TSoL's Statement.

This will all become very clear after I reveal my identity: I am the Cynic - Human Aligned.

However, I want to clear up a few misconceptions about my role:

1. I am able to send a PM to a Witch member. This corroborates with Fynn's Statement.
2. I do not know who receives it. This contradicts TSoL's Statement (which I was referring to earlier).
3. I do not have the goal of a 'Witch Aligned Player'. This contradicts your Statement.

I'm unsure what your statement suggests. I'm not the Pained and my win condition doesn't change. There's a few possibilities with your role. Perhaps you're the Village Idiot. Maybe you're lying and a Witch. Or there's a Witch that has planted a false truth in the game. I'm not sure what this means yet.

The way my PM works is I send a message to Karifean that I want the mafia to read. It's somewhat like the Jailer where the prisoner doesn't know who they're talking to. I don't know who received the PM, but I can confirm those were not the contents of it.

[Pumpkin]

Yeah my statement was pasted verbatim so that's a bit strange. If your end goal is not the same as the witches, then why have the cynic role at all?

[Scruffington]

Yeah my statement was pasted verbatim so that's a bit strange. If your end goal is not the same as the witches, then why have the cynic role at all?

Probably because of my ability. I don't particularly want to reveal what it is, but I'd have to have some sort of handicap because of it.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

We all know there is no Village Idiot Scruff, that was Nutty's lie. Also, people had a hard time believing it.

The problem is Pumpkin's truth says the Cynic wins with the witches, so you are now saying Pumpkin is lying. Sloppy.

I will give it to you that you may not know which witch your letter goes to, but my truth states clearly that the Cynic knows who the witches are and we do not know who you are. It is not my fault if you put your name in the bloody letter. You might not get to decide which of us received it but you do know who we are.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yeah my statement was pasted verbatim so that's a bit strange. If your end goal is not the same as the witches, then why have the cynic role at all?

Because he is lying. He claimed his role because he knew if a cop investigated him he'd come up Cynic. Now he is twisting it so that he won't get lynched. Pumpkin your rule clearly states that he counts as a witch when it comes to victory conditions. And humans need all the witches gone if they are to win, including the Cynic.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Also, basically Scruff's post confirmed the information I had already shared. So even if I can't be trusted, I have been consistently sharing information and trying to help the humans whereas Scruffy has been vague to the point of obtuse. Only roleclaimed because he knew if he didn't it would just be confirmed by the next day anyways. However it was a catch-22. If he claimed, he proved me right and if he didn't then tomorrow whoever the cop is would have known I am right.

[Scruffington]

Also, the typing could easily be put to cellphone usage. Hell, I did two humanities BA and I still make weird typos on cellphones and occasionally at a keyboard. So moot point.

I'm using my phone right now. If I were owning up to my role in the game, why would I try to type differently? It's almost like you don't know how I write.


Consider this Scruff, if you knew that there is a witch whose goal was to survive everyone, then why didn't you share it sooner? You could have caused a rift in the witches. For someone who would win with humans that would have been a HUGE advantage to make the two witches not trust each other and for the Cynic not to reach out to the witches. If you were human aligned to win then it would have been to all the other HUMAN ALIGNED benefit for you to share right away.

Fair point. I explained my reasoning earlier in the game, but I'll elaborate.

My Statement is the one hard evidence I can use in the game. I was hoping there might come a time where I could expose the Witch of Truth (which you admitted to being). Also, I was saving it for a trump card in case our backs were up against the wall as town. That isn't a Statement that the mafia could really dispute. If they did, they would immediately be outed as mafia.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I mean can't be trusted in regards to Scruff saying my goal is to be sole survivor.

[Fynn]

Well okay then

I'm convinced Pumpkin isn't lying since her truth aligns well with mine and there would literally be no point to the Cynic if that statement wasn't true. And since Scruff came out as a Cynic anyway, there's no doubt that he'll come up as such in the game anyway.

The only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether the rest of the thing Bobby said are true. Sure, we'll know after Scruff is lynched by seeing if the game has ended or not, but what if he had some ability he's not telling us about that might allow him to turn this around before we get to lynch him on day 4 should the game not end with the Cynic's death?

[Fynn]

What, the, Scruff, is a Cynic supposed to be then if Pumpkin is lying about them (you) having the same goals as a witch?

[Scruffington]

We all know there is no Village Idiot Scruff, that was Nutty's lie. Also, people had a hard time believing it.

I'm not so sure. Sure it's possible he lied, but I assume that all players in the game get a truth.


The problem is Pumpkin's truth says the Cynic wins with the witches, so you are now saying Pumpkin is lying. Sloppy.

I gave a few possible explanations for how she could have gotten her Statement without her lying. However, it's true that it isn't accurate with my win condition.


I will give it to you that you may not know which witch your letter goes to, but my truth states clearly that the Cynic knows who the witches are and we do not know who you are. It is not my fault if you put your name in the bloody letter. You might not get to decide which of us received it but you do know who we are.

Here you're straight up admitting to being mafia by staying "we" when referring to the mafia. Can the next Day start so we can lynch this fool already?


Also, basically Scruff's post confirmed the information I had already shared. So even if I can't be trusted, I have been consistently sharing information and trying to help the humans whereas Scruffy has been vague to the point of obtuse. Only roleclaimed because he knew if he didn't it would just be confirmed by the next day anyways. However it was a catch-22. If he claimed, he proved me right and if he didn't then tomorrow whoever the cop is would have known I am right.

I roleclaimed because it's going to be the final nail in your coffin. I'll gladly expose my identity if it means outing mafia, even if it makes me susceptible to a town lynch.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Scruff, no need to insult my intelligence through personal attacks. I merely speculated that maybe you accidentally made typos while in a rush. Like chillax.

That makes no sense since Pumpkin's truth confirms that you win with the witches. You can't spin that any other way, she's a human and she can't lie.

[Scruffington]

Scruff, no need to insult my intelligence through personal attacks. I merely speculated that maybe you accidentally made typos while in a rush. Like chillax.

That makes no sense since Pumpkin's truth confirms that you win with the witches. You can't spin that any other way, she's a human and she can't lie.

That's not a personal attack. You flat out admitted you're mafia. That's a foolish thing to do.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Well okay then

I'm convinced Pumpkin isn't lying since her truth aligns well with mine and there would literally be no point to the Cynic if that statement wasn't true. And since Scruff came out as a Cynic anyway, there's no doubt that he'll come up as such in the game anyway.

The only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether the rest of the thing Bobby said are true. Sure, we'll know after Scruff is lynched by seeing if the game has ended or not, but what if he had some ability he's not telling us about that might allow him to turn this around before we get to lynch him on day 4 should the game not end with the Cynic's death?

The only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.

I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.

I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?

[Fynn]

Except he said he was a witch at the start of the night? He's to mafia what you are to town. You're not really doing yourself any favors by trying to turn it around like this.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Scruff, no need to insult my intelligence through personal attacks. I merely speculated that maybe you accidentally made typos while in a rush. Like chillax.

That makes no sense since Pumpkin's truth confirms that you win with the witches. You can't spin that any other way, she's a human and she can't lie.

That's not a personal attack. You flat out admitted you're mafia. That's a foolish thing to do.

Actually, I read that sentence as "...almost as if you don't know how to write" than "...almost as if you don't know hot I write". Okay, it is getting late. Sorry about that one.

Why I am admitting to being a witch is what I explained earlier. I need Nutty and you dead to win. Simple.

[Fynn]

Well okay then

I'm convinced Pumpkin isn't lying since her truth aligns well with mine and there would literally be no point to the Cynic if that statement wasn't true. And since Scruff came out as a Cynic anyway, there's no doubt that he'll come up as such in the game anyway.

The only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether the rest of the thing Bobby said are true. Sure, we'll know after Scruff is lynched by seeing if the game has ended or not, but what if he had some ability he's not telling us about that might allow him to turn this around before we get to lynch him on day 4 should the game not end with the Cynic's death?

The only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.

I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.

I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?

See, I get what you mean and I sure as hell find your reasoning way more convincing than Scruff's, but why do you use your ability as leverage? You have the upper hand, Scruff will probably get lynched tomorrow, and that should be the end of the game if you're telling the truth. So why don't you just use your ability to benefit us all even if we can't all give you a guarantee that you won't be lynched tomorrow?

[Scruffington]

I don't really care anymore. Nutty got upset about Pumpkin and the Mognetting fiasco, so he decided to out himself and TSoL as mafia.

And now TSoL is trying to throw me under the bus when it's of no benefit for him to do so. He's going to die 100% because town has to lynch him in order to win. He's literally doing this out of sheer self-preservation.

I'm not really interested in getting thrown under the bus by a fellow mafia, especially after the game was already over after Nutty revealed who the mafia were.

I was doing my best to keep this game going and make things interesting, but apparently my efforts are futile.

[Fynn]

Ugh


Guys, you really don't know how to rage-quit in style

[Scruffington]

Thanks for hosting Karifean. Sorry that the game didn't turn out as well as I'd have liked. My role was extremely hard with 3 people having truths that directly linked to me.

I wanted to keep things interesting even after Nutty exposed TSoL, but apparently he would rather throw me under the bus to give himself another day in the game.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Well okay then

I'm convinced Pumpkin isn't lying since her truth aligns well with mine and there would literally be no point to the Cynic if that statement wasn't true. And since Scruff came out as a Cynic anyway, there's no doubt that he'll come up as such in the game anyway.

The only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether the rest of the thing Bobby said are true. Sure, we'll know after Scruff is lynched by seeing if the game has ended or not, but what if he had some ability he's not telling us about that might allow him to turn this around before we get to lynch him on day 4 should the game not end with the Cynic's death?

The only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.

I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.

I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?

See, I get what you mean and I sure as hell find your reasoning way more convincing than Scruff's, but why do you use your ability as leverage? You have the upper hand, Scruff will probably get lynched tomorrow, and that should be the end of the game if you're telling the truth. So why don't you just use your ability to benefit us all even if we can't all give you a guarantee that you won't be lynched tomorrow?

Because I am human and spiteful (in the normal sense not in the game terms) and tired. I wouldn't have actually done it (probably?). Just everyone kinda ignored it so yeah was putting it out there aggressively.

Scruff, as the Witch of the Truth I was never on your side. If I wasn't putting you under the bus now, I would have done it eventually. I was next after Nutty, so my only leverage was the Cynic. Hey, if my win condition didn't involve you dying then I would have acted differently.

[Fynn]

Except it makes sense for him to do it if his actual goal is to sabotage the other witches


When you think about it, it does make sense that there be an actual opposite of the cynic


Even if Bobby's lying, we can still get him the next day, so it kind of goes without saying that Scruff should be lynched on the next day. But I can't help but still be kind of suspicious because of all that holding his ability hostage thing

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Like I said, I was being a petty human. I can't be a witch all of the time ;)

Honestly, I will share my ability. Not like I can nightkill. *twiddle thumbs*

[Fynn]

You know what would make this game REALLY interesting right now?

If I outed the Pained :p

[Pumpkin]

You know what would make this game REALLY interesting right now?

If I outed the Pained :p

OH MY GOSH

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

There is more than one. Plus by you knowing who they are and outing them you just line them up for lynching. Plus there is a second one somewhere. There are two.

I wonder if Karifean has something else up his sleeve that we didn't know about?

[Scruffington]

Because I am human and spiteful (in the normal sense not in the game terms) and tired. I wouldn't have actually done it (probably?). Just everyone kinda ignored it so yeah was putting it out there aggressively.

Scruff, as the Witch of the Truth I was never on your side. If I wasn't putting you under the bus now, I would have done it eventually. I was next after Nutty, so my only leverage was the Cynic. Hey, if my win condition didn't involve you dying then I would have acted differently.

Except you're not doing it because of your win condition now.

You're doing it because Nutty outed you and you were next on the chopping block. You're going to die either way, you just decided that you were going to expose me in order to keep yourself alive for one more day.

Well congrats dude. You're going to live for another day. And just like how Nutty revealed mafia (which is poor form), you've done the exact same thing to me.

Thanks.

[Pumpkin]

Yeah I don't feel like having a lynch line. I would feel bad if I had to kill off half of the group

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yeah I don't feel like having a lynch line. I would feel bad if I had to kill off half of the group

Yeah it would just be awkward then.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

FYI there is like 11 hours before the night is done. So who do you want my skill to be used on?

[Fynn]

I personally don't think it really matters at this point

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I'm bad at math, I forgot the day ended early.

Come in Fynn, not you too!

There are a bunch of unknown abilities in play and Formy, Carby, and Laddy haven't said boo!

[Fynn]

I'm just saying that if the game will end on the next day, it really doesn't matter who you use your ability on. So I say just go for whoever you're most curious about and let's get the night over with :p

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

But a deal is a deal. We haven't seen from Formy, Carny, or Laddy yet.

I wonder if it is my night ability that is holding off the next day?