LONGEST EVER LIFE AT LEVEL 23

[ninja-yuffie]

this is so funny!!!!

i am on disc 4 and my squall is level 23 (i have the origonal gunblade :mad: )

my Rinoa is level 20
my Irvine is level 22

now. You have to admitt...THAT is an acheivment....right (dont get me wrong i have completed the game at level 80)

can i have your views on my acheivments?

[Matrix880]

very well done martha. now, you need to complete the KH challenge you were set!!!!

[Ultima Shadow]

The game is much easier at low levels. But wasn't it pretty boring to run from almost all random battles?

[DarknessFromAbove]

LoL, and here I am, on disk 4 on level 99, with max stats. . . I'm such a chump. :mad:

[Auronhart]

The game is much easier at low levels.
If you use the bonus abilities it isn't. It's true that it is very easy though if you get some good magic.


But wasn't it pretty boring to run from almost all random battles?
You just get Encounter-none fairly quickly.


LoL, and here I am, on disk 4 on level 99, with max stats. . . I'm such a chump.
Did you max luck, because unless you have a pocketstation it is a huge pain. (unless you mean maxed stats with junctioned magic.)

[DarknessFromAbove]

Junctioning does help some of my character's stats, and I don't have a pocket PS, so I probably didn't max luck, I'm not sure though. . .

[Pinkerton]

Whoa! Hold on a second. The game is easier at low levels? ...Now I feel like an idiot. Someone elaborate, please!

Jonas

[DarknessFromAbove]

I think it's because boses level up with you or something like that, they're on the same level as Squall. . . I think

[Xxiawakin]

I ended up beating all of Disk Four at Lv. 100...damn Omega was a long fight.

Ultimecia was a pipsqueak, however.

[Faris]

this is so funny!!!!

i am on disc 4 and my squall is level 23 (i have the origonal gunblade :mad: )

my Rinoa is level 20
my Irvine is level 22

now. You have to admitt...THAT is an acheivment....right (dont get me wrong i have completed the game at level 80)

can i have your views on my acheivments?
:cookie: :cookie: :cookie:
Squall: lv. 100
every one else:lv. 50-60's
and i had all but Irvine and Quistis's ultamite weapon

[DarknessFromAbove]

Mwahaha! I had all the final upgrades, all the GF's, and defeted the weapons! :freak:

[illusiionary]

hahah im on disc 2 (well just started) and squalls on level 22, rinoa 21, irvine 21 or something haha

[Remnant]

I was told that Omega is always the same no matter what level you fight him at, so there's no reason not to be at 100. But, I level up because... well, I like big numbers. So I can't really confirm that.

[Xxiawakin]

I need to get around to doing a No-Junction Challenge...

[Coda]

this is so funny!!!!

i am on disc 4 and my squall is level 23 (i have the origonal gunblade :mad: )

my Rinoa is level 20
my Irvine is level 22

now. You have to admitt...THAT is an acheivment....right (dont get me wrong i have completed the game at level 80)

can i have your views on my acheivments?

Game is simple on lower lvs coz every boss is easy and u just junction ultima. i beat it with all chars below lv 20. simple! its harder on a higher lvl

[Auronhart]

I need to get around to doing a No-Junction Challenge...

It is pretty easy except for Ultimecia.



Game is simple on lower lvs coz every boss is easy and u just junction ultima. i beat it with all chars below lv 20. simple! its harder on a higher lvl
Every boss is easy on high levels too if you use the bonus abilities. However, you can junction ultima to something more useful if you level.
By the way, I am pretty sure Ultimecia's level is set.

[Captain Maxx Power]

I do be doing better, with level 12 odd squall, 16 or so Rinoa, and about 1x for everyone else. Boy do I have an obsession with perfection :cool:

[Danger]

I just carded everything throughout the game and ended up in disk four at about level 20 with all the kick ass magic I needed. It's really not that difficult.... then I took it one step further with the stat maxing trick which completely ruined the so called up coming challenge of the last part of the game.

[amratis]

I need to ask a question about this level-difficulty thing so I'm going to start a new thread, please be kind and read :D

amra

[bEoWuLfX]

I beat it at level 14, but I got all the good weapons. Generally the low level game is not very difficult, but it is more time consuming. Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.

[Auronhart]

I beat it at level 14, but I got all the good weapons. Generally the low level game is not very difficult, but it is more time consuming. Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.
That's right, unless you junction something good to magic it is a pain to draw all that.

[Flashback007]

I never focussed my party on Quitis and Selphie so they were around level 20 etc. But Irvine was with me at level 40 or so.......Every thing went fine untill Ulti's castle. Damn I had some hard fights there.

[Auronhart]

I was told that Omega is always the same no matter what level you fight him at, so there's no reason not to be at 100. But, I level up because... well, I like big numbers. So I can't really confirm that.
I can, I approached him with a low level party of Rinoa, Quistis and Zell (all at their original levels) and he was level 100. In the PC version he levels up with you though.

[ninja-yuffie]

omega wepon uses level 5 feath. that is the onluy reason that made him so damm hard for me cause i was level 75 when i bet him, please every one note this is what happened to ultimicai:

i usead an aura stone on squall on each part of the fight, basicly there is no escape from continus lionherting.

for that attak were she puts all your chars to 1 hp, i carded angelo into 100 mega elixiers (i had auto hste) she went down like a brick in water :)

[ninja-yuffie]

(i was level 80) :P max stats (almost)

[Auronhart]

for that attak were she puts all your chars to 1 hp, i carded angelo into 100 mega elixiers (i had auto hste) she went down like a brick in water
That would be the Bahamut card.

i usead an aura stone on squall on each part of the fight, basicly there is no escape from continus lionherting.
No escape? How about the other two limit breaks that are more powerful than his?

(i was level 80) :P max stats (almost)
Easy.

[Ultima Shadow]

It is pretty easy except for Ultimecia.
And Omega and Ultima Weapon. Man, THEY are CRAZY in the no-junctioning challange!


Every boss is easy on high levels too if you use the bonus abilities.
Yea... but they ARE even easier if you're at low level with good enough junctioning. Seriously... you can get most stats maxed out even without the bonus abilities thanks to Str+60% and stuff like that.

Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.
Really? Junctioning only needs to be about average and drawing isn't that painfull really. All you really need to do is use the refine abilities in an effective way and draw alot from bosses. It's really not that bad.

[Auronhart]

And Omega and Ultima Weapon. Man, THEY are CRAZY in the no-junctioning challange!
I don't think anyone has killed Omega yet, so he doesn't count. Ultima is bad, but not close to as annoying because of his low HP. (except that you have to walk all that distance) I can beat Omega on the PC version, but he levels with you on that.


Yea... but they ARE even easier if you're at low level with good enough junctioning. Seriously... you can get most stats maxed out even without the bonus abilities thanks to Str+60% and stuff like that.
1. You can't max all of the useful stats. (HP,SPR,STR,VIT (you may be able to max) but SPD(well you can't use bonus abilities on this, but it goes up when you level) LUCK can be useful too (such as for Zell's limit and it goes up with level))
2. It doesn't matter anyways, everything is one limit break kill except Ultimecia and Omega (possibly Ultima) and Omega/Ultimecia's (don't quote me about Ultimecia, but I'm pretty sure it is true) level doesn't change anyways. Next point, nothing does any serious amount of damage when you have maxed Vit/Spr (except terra break or medigo flame (or equivalent)), so you might as go with the faster speed team.
3. Second to last point, it is less of a pain to get all the magic and everything if you don't have to avoid leveling in disk 3.
4. Last point, using str+60% or any ability like it wastes an ability spot.

In theory, the best setup is to be low level and max HP,STR,VIT,MAG,SPR and SPD, but this takes so long it is unrealistic. Carding enemies for magic and items in disk 3 makes almost no difference to the outcome of your party and takes much longer. (could make them a little worse than if you just used the bonus abilities, especially against Omega weapon)
Really, it is up to the player, but I haven't seen any reason so far not to use level 100 characters pumped with bonuses.


Really? Junctioning only needs to be about average and drawing isn't that painfull really. All you really need to do is use the refine abilities in an effective way and draw alot from bosses. It's really not that bad.
I think he was trying to draw with low magic.

[Ultima Shadow]

I don't think anyone has killed Omega yet, so he doesn't count. Ultima is bad, but not close to as annoying because of his low HP. (except that you have to walk all that distance) I can beat Omega on the PC version, but he levels with you on that.


1. You can't max all of the useful stats. (HP,SPR,STR,VIT (you may be able to max) but SPD(well you can't use bonus abilities on this, but it goes up when you level) LUCK can be useful too (such as for Zell's limit and it goes up with level))
2. It doesn't matter anyways, everything is one limit break kill except Ultimecia and Omega (possibly Ultima) and Omega/Ultimecia's (don't quote me about Ultimecia, but I'm pretty sure it is true) level doesn't change anyways. Next point, nothing does any serious amount of damage when you have maxed Vit/Spr (except terra break or medigo flame (or equivalent)), so you might as go with the faster speed team.
3. Second to last point, it is less of a pain to get all the magic and everything if you don't have to avoid leveling in disk 3.
4. Last point, using str+60% or any ability like it wastes an ability spot.

In theory, the best setup is to be low level and max HP,STR,VIT,MAG,SPR and SPD, but this takes so long it is unrealistic. Carding enemies for magic and items in disk 3 makes almost no difference to the outcome of your party and takes much longer. (could make them a little worse than if you just used the bonus abilities, especially against Omega weapon)
Really, it is up to the player, but I haven't seen any reason so far not to use level 100 characters pumped with bonuses.


I think he was trying to draw with low magic.
1) Omega Weapon IS possible that way. Therefore he counts. I've still not tried it (I've got so much other stuff to do) but I WILL do it because I KNOW it's possible. Just give me a reason why he shouldn't be possible. :p
2) Even though Ultima Weapon have lower HP than Ultimecia I found him ALOT whorse. And yes... by alot I mean ALOT!!! Why? Well... I fight him at high levels and he's the fastest creature in the game and he can kill your party before you get a turn. :cool:
3) Whatevr. FFVIII is so **** easy anyway so you really don't need to make it easier. :p
4) Oh, yea... and Ultimecias first, second and third form is NOT set. :tongue: About the final I don't know.
5) Whatever... :D

[Auronhart]

Oh, yea... and Ultimecias first, second and third form is NOT set
Do you know what their hp is, nothing I've seen has had conclusive results. (most give just one value though) Now that I think about it though, you are probably right, because some guides say that griever has 120,000 hp and I've killed him with 80,000 before. Still, it doesn't make too much of a difference, Ultimecia still has a maximum level.


Omega Weapon IS possible that way. Therefore he counts. I've still not tried it (I've got so much other stuff to do) but I WILL do it because I KNOW it's possible. Just give me a reason why he shouldn't be possible.
I know he's possible, but when I realized he is always level 100, I realized how impractical beating him is. If you are good Zell can do 40,000-50,000 (lets say 40,000 because of mistakes and lower time limits) in one duel, Wishing Star can do 40,000 and homing laser can do 10,000. That is about the best you can do, which means if you are super lucky it goes like this W=wishing star, D=Duel, H=homing laser, A=acid and I=invincible moon.
A (he has vit 0 on) D W (80,000) (H D I H D W H D W) (does 270,000 each time) repeat 4 times. Ok, getting invincible moon 4 times in a row (I have had 3 times in a row once against him) is super unlikely in the first place, second Wishing star doesn't happen close to as often as I pictured, it would be more likely to require 6 or 7 invincible moons at least. It also is pretty hard to get 40,000 damage on average as well if you don't usually get 12 second duels.

But....I am still trying it anyways :p.


3) Whatevr. FFVIII is so **** easy anyway so you really don't need to make it easier.
I know, but carding enemies is boring, why not do a fun challenge instead.


2) Even though Ultima Weapon have lower HP than Ultimecia I found him ALOT whorse. And yes... by alot I mean ALOT!!! Why? Well... I fight him at high levels and he's the fastest creature in the game and he can kill your party before you get a turn.
Hmm, yeah but he only has one form which means you don't need to luck out as many times in a row. I think the most annoying part would probably be that you can't save right by him. :(

[Ultima Shadow]

Do you know what their hp is, nothing I've seen has had conclusive results. (most give just one value though) Now that I think about it though, you are probably right, because some guides say that griever has 120,000 hp and I've killed him with 80,000 before. Still, it doesn't make too much of a difference, Ultimecia still has a maximum level.
Yea, and I've fought them at many different levels and there's a noticable difference.
I even scaned them and their levels where different at different times.


I know he's possible, but when I realized he is always level 100, I realized how impractical beating him is. If you are good Zell can do 40,000-50,000 (lets say 40,000 because of mistakes and lower time limits) in one duel, Wishing Star can do 40,000 and homing laser can do 10,000. That is about the best you can do, which means if you are super lucky it goes like this W=wishing star, D=Duel, H=homing laser, A=acid and I=invincible moon.
A (he has vit 0 on) D W (80,000) (H D I H D W H D W) (does 270,000 each time) repeat 4 times. Ok, getting invincible moon 4 times in a row (I have had 3 times in a row once against him) is super unlikely in the first place, second Wishing star doesn't happen close to as often as I pictured, it would be more likely to require 6 or 7 invincible moons at least. It also is pretty hard to get 40,000 damage on average as well if you don't usually get 12 second duels.

But....I am still trying it anyways :p.
That's why you shouldn't get anything else than Invinsible Moon. That way you'll only have Invinsible Moon and The Canon. This means there's 50% chanse you'll get Invinsible Moon. Also... you should enter the battle with Zells HP at 1 since he'll get more time for his Duell if his HP is low. Well... I've never actually tried this out but I know Omega Weapon pretty well...


I know, but carding enemies is boring, why not do a fun challenge instead.
Exactly.


Hmm, yeah but he only has one form which means you don't need to luck out as many times in a row. I think the most annoying part would probably be that you can't save right by him. :(
On the other hand... if you count all the battles you have to fight to get from the save point to him as a part of the battle... :D

[Auronhart]

On the other hand... if you count all the battles you have to fight to get from the save point to him as a part of the battle...
True :D, at least you can degenerate them though, unless they kill Quistis, then you are dead.:p


That's why you shouldn't get anything else than Invinsible Moon. That way you'll only have Invinsible Moon and The Canon. This means there's 50% chanse you'll get Invinsible Moon. Also... you should enter the battle with Zells HP at 1 since he'll get more time for his Duell if his HP is low. Well... I've never actually tried this out but I know Omega Weapon pretty well...
Apparently angelo cannon is much more likely to happen if you don't have wishing star. I think the challenge is probably about the same whether you use just invincible moon or both. (I mean wishing star does do 40,000 consistently, so it makes up for a small probability decrease of getting invincible moon) I've tried this quite a bit, (though what is kind of sad is that I didn't know Omega was always level 100 because I have a FFVIII PC guide and in the PC version he levels with you, I got him to the point that I would've beaten him, and he didn't die :( ) I think I might get a save with the invincible moon setup as well and try them both out. By the way, I don't think invincible moon happens half of the time. I do put everyone's hp to 1, (I was mostly working with a little lower level Zell (level 62 I think) though, maybe when I level him it will be better) plus put zombie, darkness and silence on everybody. (which unfortunately come off after the first invincible moon)

[ninja-yuffie]

man you guys both wanna proove a point, that thing i saidabout the bahmut card yeah thats it, (i get so confused)

[ninja-yuffie]

i bet him ^;^ jus6t dont be level 5

[Ultima Shadow]

Apparently angelo cannon is much more likely to happen if you don't have wishing star. I think the challenge is probably about the same whether you use just invincible moon or both. (I mean wishing star does do 40,000 consistently, so it makes up for a small probability decrease of getting invincible moon) I've tried this quite a bit, (though what is kind of sad is that I didn't know Omega was always level 100 because I have a FFVIII PC guide and in the PC version he levels with you, I got him to the point that I would've beaten him, and he didn't die :( ) I think I might get a save with the invincible moon setup as well and try them both out. By the way, I don't think invincible moon happens half of the time. I do put everyone's hp to 1, (I was mostly working with a little lower level Zell (level 62 I think) though, maybe when I level him it will be better) plus put zombie, darkness and silence on everybody. (which unfortunately come off after the first invincible moon)
Hmmm... maybe you have a point. But the chanse of getting Invinsible Moon is still about 50% if you don't have wishing star. I think I prefere being as safe as possible and leave the dammage for Zell. :p

Edit: I think I've changed my mind. I finally tried... and my fingers are burning after all the punch rushes and booyas. :eek: Man, you'll have to get in about 2000 hits with armagedon fist before it goes down. :eep:
I can get in about 6-8 hits every second but still... my poor fingers can't stand it. :p
So yea... maybe Wishing Star isn't that bad after all. :p Or maybe you could use Lionheart? Hmmm...

[Auronhart]

Man, you'll have to get in about 2000 hits with armagedon fist before it goes down
Yeah, I know, it is a ridiculous number of hits. (probably around than 2300 :eek: :eek: (including critical hits as two), but of course if you are using Quistis as well it is less) Unfortunately you can't get Lionheart without a Pocket PS. (I'm pretty sure, I have managed to get 5 pulse ammo without, but it isn't enough to get Lionheart) Lionheart would certainly be worth it if you could. These are the only ideas we have been able to come up with so far.
Preparation:
1. As we talked about before, bring everyone (Zell, Quistis and Rinoa level 99) in with 1 hp. I also suggest getting Malboros to put silence and blind on everyone and blood souls to put zombie, because they help at the beginning. (a bit annoying to do, but totally worth it, just load if one of your people gets KO'ed)
2. You have to get invincible moon to win the battle, so learn that for sure. Learn Angelo Reverse just in the hope it might revive one of your people at some point. If you want to give yourself increased potential damage, but lower your probability of getting invincible moon learn Wishing Star. (as Ultima Shadow said, it is tiring on the fingers to just use Zell)
The Battle:
1. Have Quistis use acid and Rinoa use combine, (I like to only use Duel if Acid is sucessful because it approximately doubles your damage) if you are lucky, Omega will not get his turn (meteor or normal attack) until you have invincible moon on. If he knocks out even one person at this point I suggest loading.
2. Once Omega has VIT 0 on, get Quistis to use homing laser, (hopefully can do 9999 pretty consistently) and Zell to use armageddon fist. Have Rinoa use Angelo in the hope of getting Wishing star. (she should wait after she has gone twice for invincibility to run out, (if this isn't two turns with level 99 characters tell me, because I haven't used them yet) then attempt to use invincible moon again.
3. If you can get omega to between 100,000 and 200,000 life, it may be the best idea to have Quistis use Mighty Guard and hope it casts Aura. (if it does then Rinoa can pretty consistently use a couple of Wishing stars and then she has a fairly large chance of casting invincible moon afterwards. (because of regen, which is the reason you don't immediately cast mighty guard) It also puts haste on everyone)
4. If you are seriously damaging Omega fight until the last breath because even if Rinoa gets knocked out (which is really bad) she could possibly be revived by Angelo. With Wishing star, if Quistis and Zell get knocked out you still have a shot at beating him.
Other Possibilities:
1. I have thought of the possibility of using Selphie instead of Quistis. (Selphie's slots can cast meltdown too, and Aura would be incredibly useful as her's would not put regen on as well) Maybe she would work well with Rinoa with or possibly without wishing star.

Some of this is just speculation. Feel free to say what you think or add some more possibilities.
P.S. As you can possibly guess, I love this stuff. :D

[Ultima Shadow]

Yeah, I know, it is a ridiculous number of hits. (probably around than 2300 :eek: :eek: (including critical hits as two), but of course if you are using Quistis as well it is less) Unfortunately you can't get Lionheart without a Pocket PS. (I'm pretty sure, I have managed to get 5 pulse ammo without, but it isn't enough to get Lionheart) Lionheart would certainly be worth it if you could. These are the only ideas we have been able to come up with so far.
Preparation:
1. As we talked about before, bring everyone (Zell, Quistis and Rinoa level 99) in with 1 hp. I also suggest getting Malboros to put silence and blind on everyone and blood souls to put zombie, because they help at the beginning. (a bit annoying to do, but totally worth it, just load if one of your people gets KO'ed)
2. You have to get invincible moon to win the battle, so learn that for sure. Learn Angelo Reverse just in the hope it might revive one of your people at some point. If you want to give yourself increased potential damage, but lower your probability of getting invincible moon learn Wishing Star. (as Ultima Shadow said, it is tiring on the fingers to just use Zell)
The Battle:
1. Have Quistis use acid and Rinoa use combine, (I like to only use Duel if Acid is sucessful because it approximately doubles your damage) if you are lucky, Omega will not get his turn (meteor or normal attack) until you have invincible moon on. If he knocks out even one person at this point I suggest loading.
2. Once Omega has VIT 0 on, get Quistis to use homing laser, (hopefully can do 9999 pretty consistently) and Zell to use armageddon fist. Have Rinoa use Angelo in the hope of getting Wishing star. (she should wait after she has gone twice for invincibility to run out, (if this isn't two turns with level 99 characters tell me, because I haven't used them yet) then attempt to use invincible moon again.
3. If you can get omega to between 100,000 and 200,000 life, it may be the best idea to have Quistis use Mighty Guard and hope it casts Aura. (if it does then Rinoa can pretty consistently use a couple of Wishing stars and then she has a fairly large chance of casting invincible moon afterwards. (because of regen, which is the reason you don't immediately cast mighty guard) It also puts haste on everyone)
4. If you are seriously damaging Omega fight until the last breath because even if Rinoa gets knocked out (which is really bad) she could possibly be revived by Angelo. With Wishing star, if Quistis and Zell get knocked out you still have a shot at beating him.
Other Possibilities:
1. I have thought of the possibility of using Selphie instead of Quistis. (Selphie's slots can cast meltdown too, and Aura would be incredibly useful as her's would not put regen on as well) Maybe she would work well with Rinoa with or possibly without wishing star.

Some of this is just speculation. Feel free to say what you think or add some more possibilities.
P.S. As you can possibly guess, I love this stuff. :D
Well... so far it's just going: :down:
I still haven't got Wishing Star. But I will because my hands can't endure beating Omega with Zell only. :D Hmmm... using Selphie could be intressting... but there's 2 problems. 1) You may not get what you want with the slots. 2) She won't be able to do even average dammage to Omega. (Quistis can use homing laser).

ps: Maybe I should just buy a pocket station. :D

[Auronhart]

2) She won't be able to do even average dammage to Omega. (Quistis can use homing laser).
Only #1 would be a serious problem. Aura would more than make up for the damage caused by homing laser. (Rinoa is much more likely to use wishing star/invincible moon, Zell will almost always get a 12 second duel)

[Ultima Shadow]

Only #1 would be a serious problem. Aura would more than make up for the damage caused by homing laser. (Rinoa is much more likely to use wishing star/invincible moon, Zell will almost always get a 12 second duel)
Yea, but the dammage still counts. However... it's far from as serious as the first reason.
Hmmm... I haven't use Selphie much but... can she use revive magic with slot? Aura is a great bonus... but you can't be sure to get it... and what should selphie do afterwards? All in all I guess she'll be pretty useless if all she can do is cast aura... if you're lucky. But still... I haven't tried.

Oh, and just for the sake of it: Omega Weapons HP= 1,161,000...
homing laser: 9999x117=1,169,883 *kills Omega*
Whishing Star: 40,000x29=1,160,000 (Dammage varies a bit... so if it will do just 1000 more dammage it will kill Omega)
Duell: depends on how much time + how fast you are + if you do any misstakes or not + crictical hits. But average= time= 11-12sec, average= 6 hits every sec= 66-72 hits with 1 Duell. Damage per hit= 500. 500x66= 33,000 dammage. 500x72= 36,000 dammage. + crictical hits= 36,000-40,000 dammage. = about 30 times to finish off Omega.

[Auronhart]

but you can't be sure to get it...
It is very common at level 99. Increasing the probability of getting invincible moon/wishing star and duel should more than make up for Quistis' damage, the only problem is the slots themselves. (but as I said Aura is common) I actually am not sure if she can get life, (for some reason I think I've seen full-life before I might have just imagined it though (nothing I've looked at online so far has mentioned anything about not being able to cast it and some pages say that she can cast any regular spell)) so I think I might set up my party for both cases (Quistis or Selphie) and see which one is more reasonable. (and see if selphie can get life) Having to "do over" probably will give Quistis the advantage though. If you get really bored using Quistis though, you could use Selphie for a change. :)

[ljkkjlcm9]

let me just say that every enemy does level up with you, even Ultimecia does not have a set Level. Just some bosses are set at a minimum level, but that minimum is never level 100.

[Auronhart]

let me just say that every enemy does level up with you, even Ultimecia does not have a set Level. Just some bosses are set at a minimum level, but that minimum is never level 100.
That isn't correct. Omega weapon is always level 100.

[Ultima Shadow]

It is very common at level 99.
I had no idea since I use Selphie so rarely. :p Still the "do over" takes some time... and every second can be usefull in this battle.
Well... my Selphie is still at level 40-50 so if I should use her I have to spend some hours leveling up... :eep:
Argh... if Omega just wasn't immune to meteor strike... :cool:

[Sepho]

During my very first time through the game, I remember my Squall being at level 13 when I fought Abbadon at Great Salt Lake right before I got into Esthar - and that was the highest level of any of my party members. I think Quistis was at level 8. The game gives you no incentive, nor opportunity to stop and level up at all, because you never feel like your party is weak when your enemies' levels are adjusted according to that of your party. After I fought and lost for Adel for the 20th-odd time, I kicked myself and realised I needed to go back to my roots and fight a strategical battle, instead of overpowering my enemies, which is a style I've been using primarily for most of the RPGs I've played in the last few years. I think the average level of my party during the Adel fight was around 19 or 20, and it didn't help that I didn't know anything about the Junction system, but I'm glad I was in the position because it was great defeating her with my party in such a state - it was a sense of acomplishment that I haven't felt in any RPG boss battle for a while now.

After the first playthrough, I established many points during the game to stop and develop my characters, and after that first time I usually have level 40 characters before the first disk is over. I've learned a few tricks.

Examples:

I start levelling up as soon as I get access to the Training area at Balamb Garden. I fight T-Rexaurs and max out on Quake spells to junction to my STR state, until I get to the general vicinity of Deling City, where I draw Tornado from the birds the name of which presently escapes me, and junction Quake to something else.

As soon as I get Siren, I teach her L-MOD RF (after Boost of course), and buy a bunch of tents - I max my SeeD rank as soon as I become a SeeD - and mod them into 100 Curagas for everyone to junction to their HP. Instant 2000-3000 HP for all applicable party members.

I also usually have atleast the third weapon for all my main party members, though its not a priority, considering Squall is the only character who really benefits from the upgrades.

[Auronhart]

I had no idea since I use Selphie so rarely. Still the "do over" takes some time... and every second can be usefull in this battle.
At least you can do it while Rinoa is using her limit break.


Argh... if Omega just wasn't immune to meteor strike...
I know, he would be a cakewalk.

Yeah, now that I think about it, it probably would be better to not have wishing star if you use Selphie, because Aura makes the "best" Angelo move very likely to happen. (I've never seen angelo cannon with it on + critical hp) So, I'm not quite sure, but it would probably give you such a high chance of using invincible moon that it would make it worth it. (with wishing star it might cast that too often) So you could just use slots when invincible moon is about to run out (Rinoa's next turn (she is using her limit break on that turn to give Selphie time)) Also, if you have extra time when Rinoa is using her limit break after casting invincible moon, (or while casting invincible moon), you might be able to use meteor or ultima (if they have double or triple they could be quite strong). Basically, this method would give you a lot of extra time to abuse duel and has a much higher chance of Rinoa using invincible moon. (plus Zell's Duel would have a longer time) Another possible problem is that Aura sometimes will not cast on Rinoa, but if you get a AuraX3 the probability of this happening is only 8/27. (even an AuraX2 would only be 4/9 chance of this happening) If the probability of her casting invincible moon is high enough (let's say 90%+, which is very reasonable considering I've never seen Angelo cannon with Aura and critical hp so far) then the probability of her casting invincible moon is (let's say you get AuraX2 on average) 4/9*0.5 + 5/9*0.9=2/9+1/2= 13/18, which is quite a bit higher than 1/2 (personally I think the chance of casting invincible moon with aura on is even higher than 90%, but I have to test it (I think it is also quite likely that the probability of angelo cannon happening without aura is above 50%)) Now, if you compare the damage, each invincible moon in the first case allows you to use homing laser 3 times and duel 3 times. (if we use your figures, we come up with 36,000 damage (I think the 11-12 second average time estimate is a bit optimistic, but whatever), Aura would at least give you a 1 second increase on average, so we will go with 40,000 damage for Zell with aura on. (this gives only a 17,997 damage advantage per invincible moon in which Zell has Aura on and a 29,997 damage advantage if he doesn't have Aura on (this is even if you do not use selphie to attack at all!)) The chance of Zell having Aura on is only 1/3 if Rinoa has aura on and you only got a AuraX2 (you may be able to get AuraX3 consistently) otherwise it would be 3/4 (it is only 5/9ths if Rinoa had Aura on and it was a AuraX3) so the probability of Zell having Aura if you survive is
(1/2*3/4*4/9+1/3*0.9*5/9)/(13/18)=(1/6+1/6)/(13/18)=6/13 (approximately 1/2, so we will go with 1/2)
Expected damage Case 1:(Quistis and no Wishing Star)
E=1/2*0+1/2(9999*3+36,000*3+E)
1/2E=0+1/2(137,997)
E=137,997 damage ( :eek: :eek: )
Expected damage Case 2:(Selphie and no Wishing Star)
E=5/18*0+6/13(40,000*3+E)+61/234(36,000*3+E)
5/18E=5/18*0+6/13(120,000)+61/234(108,000)
E=300,738 damage (rounded off) (does not include any damage Selphie would do)
Assumptions I used: You can get AuraX2 on average, Zell's damage is 36,000 without Aura and 40,000 with Aura, Invincible moon happens with a 90% chance with Aura and a 50% chance without Aura (which I figure is reasonable because I have never seen Angelo cannon in that situation so far)
Hmm, I might have made some errors, (and of course I am assuming you can actually get to Aura in the slots menu during Rinoa's turn) but hopefully nothing serious. As you can see, if you can manage to use Selphie properly, this method has a great amount of potential. (this is using the no Wishing Star method, so your hands would get very tired, you would also have to get meltdown in slots at some point (though using these assumptions, you would still be more likely to beat him using case 2 without meltdown than case 1 with acid)
This also does not include any possibility of finding life in slots. (which I haven't checked yet) I think I might test some of these probabilities to see if they are reasonable. (I think most of my assumptions(except the always getting AuraX2) were to the detriment of the new method)
P.S. this might be confusing if you haven't done a good amount of probability.

[Ultima Shadow]

Argh... if Omega just wasn't immune to meteor strike...


At least you can do it while Rinoa is using her limit break.


I know, he would be a cakewalk.

Yeah, now that I think about it, it probably would be better to not have wishing star if you use Selphie, because Aura makes the "best" Angelo move very likely to happen. (I've never seen angelo cannon with it on + critical hp) So, I'm not quite sure, but it would probably give you such a high chance of using invincible moon that it would make it worth it. (with wishing star it might cast that too often) So you could just use slots when invincible moon is about to run out (Rinoa's next turn (she is using her limit break on that turn to give Selphie time)) Also, if you have extra time when Rinoa is using her limit break after casting invincible moon, (or while casting invincible moon), you might be able to use meteor or ultima (if they have double or triple they could be quite strong). Basically, this method would give you a lot of extra time to abuse duel and has a much higher chance of Rinoa using invincible moon. (plus Zell's Duel would have a longer time) Another possible problem is that Aura sometimes will not cast on Rinoa, but if you get a AuraX3 the probability of this happening is only 8/27. (even an AuraX2 would only be 4/9 chance of this happening) If the probability of her casting invincible moon is high enough (let's say 90%+, which is very reasonable considering I've never seen Angelo cannon with Aura and critical hp so far) then the probability of her casting invincible moon is (let's say you get AuraX2 on average) 4/9*0.5 + 5/9*0.9=2/9+1/2= 13/18, which is quite a bit higher than 1/2 (personally I think the chance of casting invincible moon with aura on is even higher than 90%, but I have to test it (I think it is also quite likely that the probability of angelo cannon happening without aura is above 50%)) Now, if you compare the damage, each invincible moon in the first case allows you to use homing laser 3 times and duel 3 times. (if we use your figures, we come up with 36,000 damage (I think the 11-12 second average time estimate is a bit optimistic, but whatever), Aura would at least give you a 1 second increase on average, so we will go with 40,000 damage for Zell with aura on. (this gives only a 17,997 damage advantage per invincible moon in which Zell has Aura on and a 29,997 damage advantage if he doesn't have Aura on (this is even if you do not use selphie to attack at all!)) The chance of Zell having Aura on is only 1/3 if Rinoa has aura on and you only got a AuraX2 (you may be able to get AuraX3 consistently) otherwise it would be 3/4 (it is only 5/9ths if Rinoa had Aura on and it was a AuraX3) so the probability of Zell having Aura if you survive is
(1/2*3/4*4/9+1/3*0.9*5/9)/(13/18)=(1/6+1/6)/(13/18)=6/13 (approximately 1/2, so we will go with 1/2)
Expected damage Case 1:(Quistis and no Wishing Star)
E=1/2*0+1/2(9999*3+36,000*3+E)
1/2E=0+1/2(137,997)
E=137,997 damage ( :eek: :eek: )
Expected damage Case 2:(Selphie and no Wishing Star)
E=5/18*0+6/13(40,000*3+E)+61/234(36,000*3+E)
5/18E=5/18*0+6/13(120,000)+61/234(108,000)
E=300,738 damage (rounded off) (does not include any damage Selphie would do)
Assumptions I used: You can get AuraX2 on average, Zell's damage is 36,000 without Aura and 40,000 with Aura, Invincible moon happens with a 90% chance with Aura and a 50% chance without Aura (which I figure is reasonable because I have never seen Angelo cannon in that situation so far)
Hmm, I might have made some errors, (and of course I am assuming you can actually get to Aura in the slots menu during Rinoa's turn) but hopefully nothing serious. As you can see, if you can manage to use Selphie properly, this method has a great amount of potential. (this is using the no Wishing Star method, so your hands would get very tired, you would also have to get meltdown in slots at some point (though using these assumptions, you would still be more likely to beat him using case 2 without meltdown than case 1)

P.S. this might be confusing if you haven't done a good amount of probability.
You seem to have a point... maybe Selphie is more usefull after all... there's just 1 BIG problem right now... you have to get Meltdown at the begining of the battle... what's the % of getting Meltdown with slot?
Oh, and with Rinoa at level 99 + 1 HP and all that stuff you'll actually get Invinsible Moon about 50-60% of the times so it's not less than 50%... atleast for me. :p

[Auronhart]

You seem to have a point... maybe Selphie is more usefull after all... there's just 1 BIG problem right now... you have to get Meltdown at the begining of the battle... what's the % of getting Meltdown with slot?
Less likely than Aura, but I think it's still reasonable. I will have to test it to be sure, but you can likely get it during Rinoa's first or second limit break. (maybe the third) Aura on Selphie would probably increase it's probability as well.


Oh, and with Rinoa at level 99 + 1 HP and all that stuff you'll actually get Invinsible Moon about 50-60% of the times so it's not less than 50%... atleast for me
If you are including all the statuses, then you could use that probability for the first time, but unfortunately they all come off after you cast invincible moon. :(

[Ultima Shadow]

If you are including all the statuses, then you could use that probability for the first time, but unfortunately they all come off after you cast invincible moon. :(
Another reason to use Aura. :cool: It will remain even in the invinsible stats.

[Auronhart]

Another reason to use Aura. It will remain even in the invinsible stats.
Yeah. Hmm, I wish mighty guard didn't cast regen :( , if it didn't it make this challenge way easier. (you could have haste and Aura on everyone plus use Quistis)(but then I guess who wants "easy" challenges :p )

[Ultima Shadow]

Yeah. Hmm, I wish mighty guard didn't cast regen :( , (but then I guess who wants "easy" challenges :p ) if it didn't it make this challenge way easier. (you could have haste and Aura on everyone plus use Quistis)
Yea... regen sux. But I guess you can get Haste with selphie as well...

[Auronhart]

Yea... regen sux. But I guess you can get Haste with selphie as well...
True enough, I forgot completely about that. :) It could be hard to find a time to cast it in, though, because you can't cast it when you are invincible. (still, you might cast it at the beginning, or when Omega is about to use gravija.) I know that if you have haste on, you have a good chance of getting 2,3 or 4 turns (chances to cast invincible moon) between his.

[Ultima Shadow]

Yea... but what really make this a **** hard battle is that you can't be sure ECXACTLY when Invinsible Moon is going to wear off and when Omega is going to attack. If he gets in 1 singel move when you're not Invinsible you're as good as dead... as long as it's not Gravia. You have to worry about Meteor just as much as Megido Flame and Terra Break! Now THAT'S crazy! :eek:

[Auronhart]

Yea... but what really make this a **** hard battle is that you can't be sure ECXACTLY when Invinsible Moon is going to wear off and when Omega is going to attack. If he gets in 1 singel move when you're not Invinsible you're as good as dead... as long as it's not Gravia. You have to worry about Meteor just as much as Megido Flame and Terra Break! Now THAT'S crazy!
I know meteor or ultima or terra break or medigo flame= immediate death, normal attack or light pillar = one death (which you could possibly survive either if you were close to Omega's death or Angelo Reverse worked (which has never happened for me) and of course if selphie can use life) gravija or level 5 death (which he only does once :( ) = nothing.
I think invincible moon has a set time, it is either between 2-3 or 3-4 of Rinoa's turns (she does 2 limits and then waits for invincible moon if it is 2-3, I'm not sure how this works with haste on)

[Ultima Shadow]

Yea... it's really a crazy battle. :cool:

[Auronhart]

Yeah, maybe I'll spend some more serious time trying this now that I have a break.

[ninja-yuffie]

that thing about the limit breaks? i though squalls lionheart was the best (well it was on mine, each hit took of 9999) lmao i like zells dolphin blow...

[Auronhart]

that thing about the limit breaks? i though squalls lionheart was the best (well it was on mine, each hit took of 9999) lmao i like zells dolphin blow...
The strongest limits for characters are:
1. Zell's Duel (armageddon fist) you have to use a combo for Zell to be the best.
2. Squall's Lionheart (Only if he gets lionheart every time)
3. Rinoa's Angel Wing (meteor trick) (on average, much better than renzokuken (because lionheart doesn't happen every time), so this really should be in spot #2)
4. Irvine's shot (fast ammo if his strength is very high, else his pulse ammo)
5. Quistis' shockwave pulsar
6. Selphie's slots (yes I know she has The End, but I consider it cheating and it is too much of a pain to get)

If you were talking about our discussion, Squall cannot get lionheart in a no-junction game without you using a pocketstation.

[Doors]

Sorry,not in FF8 mate,not in FF8

Come back when all your characters are level 6

[Ultima Shadow]

C-R-A-P! I got about 21-22 full Duells and alot of Homing Laser on Omega... I was... atleast pretty close... :cool:

[Auronhart]

C-R-A-P! I got about 21-22 full Duells and alot of Homing Laser on Omega... I was... atleast pretty close...
That is really good...except that you got unlucky at the end.
I have to spend some more time on this, I've been doing other stuff with my friend for the last couple of days.

[ninja-yuffie]

Sorry,not in FF8 mate,not in FF8

Come back when all your characters are level 6

can i just say, i actually didnt KNOW about the low lavel thingy how its easier? so really i might have been able to do it, but right now im doing ultimicias shadows kh challange so that takes up most of my time! IM STUCK ON ANSEEEEEM

[Ultima Shadow]

ultimicias shadows
*cough* Ultima Shadow *cough* :p

[ninja-yuffie]

*cough* Ultima Shadow *cough*

*cough* as in its YOUR challange *cough* :p :p :D