Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

[Future Esthar]

People refer the place Squall was in the end of the game as a "desert".
To me it looks like a dry plain.There is no sand.So it couldn´t be Dingo nor Kashkabald.
To me it looks like the Esthar soil.Wonder how people didn´t noticed it before.
I always see it as Esthar soil (or at least Mordred plains soil).
It can´t be Galbadia nor Winhill,nor Centra,nor Trabia,nor Balamb nor Grandidi.
Rinoa was in Centra (flower field ) and Squall walks on Esthar/Mordred like soil.
In the beggining of the game I am sure it was Esthar soil only.

[Christmas]

You mean Squall is somewhere near Esthar during the end of the game? Well, to me, he is in the middle of nowhere...

[boys from the dwarf]

i dont thinks hes anywhere and hes just stuck in TC but TC could have placed him there but i is one of those things that isnt and wont and doesnt need to be explained.

[MAS82587]

i think its supposed to be 'nowhere'

[Future Esthar]

1-I didn´t said he was in Esthar.I said the soil looks like Esthar´s.
2-Time compression put him there as well as Rinoa in Centra.
3-It has meaning and needs a meaning.It´not that I wanna to discuss it but If Rinoa didn´t meet with Squall people who live in Centra would never been able to know Esthar and Esthar would never been able to know about Centra.Even if they travel around the world they will not been able to meat each other.This is just an opinion of mineI don´t wanna to go offtopic but ...
In the beggining of the game Ellone tries to find her lover Squall.She wanna to see shooting stars with him at the flower field.But as she tries to find Squall she accidentally sends her consciouness far into the future.And the place is Esthar(in the future).Her consciousness hops between the flower field and Esthar.Then misteriously we see the flowers flying into the sky.It´s like if we are seeing a movie in reward.So she is sending her counsciousness to the past.The flower field is the same place in which Squall fights Seifer.That´s obvious.The scene looks like a film in reward.The sky then is not blue anymore.It turns grey(it´s raining).The camera remains at the same place.

[Sir Bahamut]

Eh, Ellone and Squall are not lovers. :rolleyes2

And the colour of the soil is completely irrelevant. It may 'look' like Esthar soil, but the place he's walking on is reduced into a tiny little island after a while, which obviously means he's NOT in Esthar, or any 'real' location.

I'm not even touching the rest of your post though...

[SeeDRankLou]

People refer the place Squall was in the end of the game as a "desert".
To me it looks like a dry plain.There is no sand.So it couldn´t be Dingo nor Kashkabald.
To me it looks like the Esthar soil.Wonder how people didn´t noticed it before.
I always see it as Esthar soil (or at least Mordred plains soil).
Oh look, you actually made an interesting, not-based-on-crazy-theory thread. Good job.


In the beggining of the game Ellone tries to find her lover Squall.She wanna to see shooting stars with him at the flower field.But as she tries to find Squall she accidentally sends her consciouness far into the future.And the place is Esthar(in the future).Her consciousness hops between the flower field and Esthar.Then misteriously we see the flowers flying into the sky.It´s like if we are seeing a movie in reward.So she is sending her counsciousness to the past.The flower field is the same place in which Squall fights Seifer.That´s obvious.The scene looks like a film in reward.The sky then is not blue anymore.It turns grey(it´s raining).The camera remains at the same place.
:confused: And then you blew it.

I've never actually thought of where Squall was, I just thought it was nowhere, like he was lost in time or something and that was the representation.

[Squall of SeeD]

It's obviously meant to represent Squall's isolation from others, which has given him a dry and more or less meaningless life. He had the most difficulty of any of them accepting his need for others.

By the way, Future a couple of things:

1) Time Compression didn't deposit Rinoa in Centra. Rinoa deposited Rinoa in Centra, because she was focusing on that place and her promise to meet Squall there. One's own will is what determined where they arrived.

2) I knew it was too good to be true that you would be able to keep posting without bringing back the outrageous, baseless theories. The Thread on Time Compression really looked like you were dying to throw one out, but decided to play it safe until now.

[Khimbar2775]

...........yea, what that guy said...........

[Faith Chama]

Here's how I see it:
1- your team is fighting Ultimesia in the future.
2- you finish her off.
3- she exceploades and time compression happens.
4- Zell asks everyone to shut up and concentrate on meating up at a place from their time.
5- everyone is back at Balamb Garden safe and sound except for:
A)Rinoa and the reason for that is Squall's promise of meating her at the flower field behind Edea's house.
B)Squall because of his crappy memory and he is a bit laking on the imagenation department he couldn't leave the... ... ...
RED ROCK WHERE THEY FOUGHT GRIEVER ON!!!!

P.S:
the time compression -represented as a liqued silver sky- showes us
a fast image of Squall whith a hole in his fase, now why would Square put a scary image of Squall duering time compression?!
Because it's a hint to indecate that Squall will smile at the neer future, or should I say at the end of the game <3

[Christmas]

1-In the beggining of the game Ellone tries to find her lover Squall.She wanna to see shooting stars with him at the flower field.But as she tries to find Squall she accidentally sends her consciouness far into the future.And the place is Esthar(in the future).Her consciousness hops between the flower field and Esthar.Then misteriously we see the flowers flying into the sky.It´s like if we are seeing a movie in reward.So she is sending her counsciousness to the past.The flower field is the same place in which Squall fights Seifer.That´s obvious.The scene looks like a film in reward.The sky then is not blue anymore.It turns grey(it´s raining).The camera remains at the same place.

From my POV in the beginning of the game, I didn't see Ellone at all and all I see is Rinoa holding a flower petal and it turn into a feather then the fight scene begins.

How in the world do you know that Ellone want to see shooting stars with Squall in the flower field?

The place where Squall fight Seifer is just a random place near Balamb garden.If the flower field is the same place where Squall fight Seifer, How do they take Squall from Centra all the way back to Balamb after the fight?


Eh, Ellone and Squall are not lovers.

True....but she might be in love with Laguna since she like Laguna so much when she is a kid but this is just my own little pointless theory. :D :D :D

[Winter Nights]

Me thinks Future Esthar is getting Rinoa and Ellone confused alot.. And needs to play FF8 again before making such statements.

He is stuck in the time compression, until Rinoa comes to find him.. That's it. Good job on reading WAY too into it. :p

[boys from the dwarf]

its either nowhere or a big chunk of the planet stuck in time compression like a chunk of mordred plains or esthar plains.

[Future Esthar]

Me thinks Future Esthar is getting Rinoa and Ellone confused alot.. And needs to play FF8 again before making such statements.

He is stuck in the time compression, until Rinoa comes to find him.. That's it. Good job on reading WAY too into it.

And you need to play the part in which Rinoa is possessed in space.
If you place yourself in between Rinoa she will split into many Ellone´s.
I played it yesterday.I don´t remember if they dress the white clothe or the green "bandage" Ellone dress but at least they dress in blue and theyr body seems like Ellone´s(It´s exactly equal).

[Squall of SeeD]

Me thinks Future Esthar is getting Rinoa and Ellone confused alot.. And needs to play FF8 again before making such statements.

He is stuck in the time compression, until Rinoa comes to find him.. That's it. Good job on reading WAY too into it.

And you need to play the part in which Rinoa is possessed in space.
If you place yourself in between Rinoa she will split into many Ellone´s.
I played it yesterday.I don´t remember if they dress the white clothe or the green "bandage" Ellone dress but at least they dress in blue and theyr body seems like Ellone´s(It´s exactly equal).

God, Future, why are you bringing this stuff back? X_X They nearly made the FFVIII Forum uninhabitable the last time.

No, Rinoa doesn't split into many Ellones. There's a doubling of Rinoa's own image. Nothing more, nothing less.

At this point I'm thinking that you're just Trolling and making this up as a reference to Rinoa and Ellone having what is obviously the same facial model for the FMVs. Next we'll be hearing about how Selphie is Ellone's twin sister, right?

[Christmas]

First Ultimecia = Rinoa now Ellone = Rinoa...
Now came a question...Who or what is Rinoa...Is she just who we think she is or something more than meet the eyes?
(Maybe ppl will stop making things so complicated by coming with all soft of imaginary theories since the game ended just fine...)

[Sir Bahamut]

According to his Profile, he's 25, and considering his 'theories', it seems likely he's just a troll. :rolleyes2

[Del Murder]

Future Esthar, please do not spread rumors. They may be 'theories' to you but that is not how they come across. Just stick to discussing actual events in the game without your unique 'interpretations'. :)

[gokufusionss1]

It's the end of time he's in a place when everything is gone.

[Madonna]

Next we'll be hearing about how Selphie is Ellone's twin sister, right?I think they're big and little sister. They are not the same age.

[Future Esthar]

I provided proofs,Del Murder.

No, Rinoa doesn't split into many Ellones. There's a doubling of Rinoa's own image. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are a pretty bad observer.
And no,Rinoa´s appearance is not equal to Ellone´s.
How can I take screenshots of the game?and how to post here?
By the way,the game implies Squall get lost in time.To be lost in time didn´t mean that Squall was in nowhere or TC.It means that he just wasn´t in HIS era.

The place where Squall fight Seifer is just a random place near Balamb garden.If the flower field is the same place where Squall fight Seifer, How do they take Squall from Centra all the way back to Balamb after the fight?
I think I showed you that the camera stops and it looked like it was filming in reverse.And then the flowers disappeared into the sky.
It goes like this:
1-Both Squall and Seifer dreamed that.
2-Like in the Laguna dreams the damage was also feeled in the real world.
3-People in the Garden saw they are damaged and take Squall to the Infirmary.
4-Squall is a bit confused (has something in his forehead) and is convinced they really fought at the training center.Same for Seifer.Who knows if Seifer and Squall went not there in the curfew and sleep?.At midnight it´s possible.So people on the next day found them there and they were damaged.


It's the end of time he's in a place when everything is gone.

Depending on the interpretation you made you are right.
I wanna to note that the wall in which we see the images mixed is the TC but not the soil Squall foots on.This is obvious.Time seems to flow normaly in it.Esthar is a big continent.It explains why Squal gets tiring.TC surrounds the area,that´s why it looks like a floating island.
But if you say that the total set of places (flower field+Esthar+others) is TC well,then I am the first to agree.The recognition of that can change drasticaly how you see the storyline.

[Del Murder]

I'm not sure what you consider 'proof', but it is not what constitutes as such around here. It would just be best if you kept your theories to yourself or shared them elsewhere, because you'll just end up confusing and irritating people.

[Winter Nights]

Then explain why Squall missed doing the fire cavern because of that fight and had to make it up with Quistis. I'm playing the fucking game again at the moment and what you are saying isn't making any fucking sense.

And BTW.. lost in time doesn't mean he's not in his era.. It means he's not in ANY era.

[Future Esthar]

Well,at least let me finish the debate in this thread.And let me at least try to prove(on another thread ) that the world of FF8 is already time compressed.I will not advance with any other theories.That will be my unique theory these days.The demonstration uses logic and is mathematical.It´s not empiric.It only uses some logic.


Then explain why Squall missed doing the fire cavern because of that fight and had to make it up with Quistis. I'm playing the smurfing game again at the moment and what you are saying isn't making any smurfing sense.

And BTW.. lost in time doesn't mean he's not in his era.. It means he's not in ANY era.

I already explained.They sleeped at the training center and fight at their dreams.The damage was feeled in the real world.When they wake they were convinced that they fought there.The other Garden people aswell.So he missed doing it because he slept at the training center.This is pretty much like Ellone´s ability.Squall and Seifer were the only ones at the training center,so how do you expect Garden´s people to know they weren´t fighting in reality.People in FF8 can be damaged in reality when they are sleeping.If you have HP 700 ,then sleep then laguna has HP 300 and loses 30 HP he will have HP 270 and when you woke you will have HP 670.

To be lost in a place means to be in a non familiar place.It don´t mean in a space compressed world.
This applies to time in the same manner.
You need to go to the dictionary.



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[Winter Nights]

And you need to get your head examined. What the smurf would be the point of having them "dream" they fought and have them believe they did fight and even have damage to show for it.. If they were never to be told otherwise? That's just pointless and stupid. Please do us all a favor and get a life.

EDIT: His theories may be out there but that is no reason to insult him. Consider yourself warned. -Murder

[Christmas]

I already explained.They sleeped at the training center and fight at their dreams.


Why would the two of them go catch a nap at the training center and how can they dreamed of each other and fought... care to explain?

Ok, Maybe you will say Ellone make them do it just like the Laguna's dream. But as far as I know, Ellone only have ability to send one back to the past. But can she let someone fight in their own dreams and get hurt?Even so, can you give reasons why Ellone want the two of them to fight?


If you place yourself in between Rinoa she will split into many Ellone´s.

This is what is posted earlier...


And no,Rinoa´s appearance is not equal to Ellone´s.

And this is posted recently..You say Rinoa split into many Ellone and you say Rinoa appearance is not equal to Ellone.So you are trying to say Rinoa is not Ellone but Rinoa's image is splited into many Ellone in the ending so in Squall's mind so Ellone is Squall's true love and Rinoa is just a smokescreen?

If you see the ending, you will see Squall and Rinoa ended together and Ellone isn't. Maybe you need to read this...

FF8 Story (http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/ff8story.shtml)

[Sir Bahamut]

Future Esthar, you're theory that the world of FF8 is a time compressed world is wrong, as has been pointed out several times in the other topic. Proof:

Fact 1) Both Edea and Rinoa tell us that only Ultimecia is the only one who can live in a time compressed world.
Fact 2) More people than Ultimecia live in the world off FF8.

Conclusion: The world of FF8 is not a time compressed world.

[Future Esthar]

Í discussed it till the end in that topic.It´s unfortunate that it´s dificult to explain the phenomenas.I tried.You then stop replying to it .But in the last post I defeated the counter arguments that were left to discuss.

To Unknown:
The entire dream consists of the events in the beggining.
Ellone initiates the dream but she is looking for Squall so fierce that she accidentally sends her counsciousness to the past and found them fighting.
She starts at the beach,runs through the sea and while she is talking to Squall she hops between Esthar and the sea.Then she is at the flower field,some leafs fall and she takes a feather.Then the leafs and the feathers start to flying and (with the camera at the same place) the scene goes continually to the battle event.This proofs that the place in which they battle and the flower field were the same.
The same way Ellone sees through Laguna his battles, she see through Squall his battles.
And Rinoa split in many Ellones when she was possessed out in space.
No one telled me how to take screenshots of the game yet.

[Sir Bahamut]

No Future, you never even tried to argue against the proof I just posted. If you did, could you please repost your counter argument to the proof I just posted?

[AerisIsMyGod]

Some of you people analyze things waayyy too much, it's not meant to be anywhere it's just some random place with nothing in it.
It doesn't mean anything.

[Future Esthar]

This isn´t going anywhere.
Just tell me how to take screenshots from the game.And how to post them here.

[Sir Bahamut]

Unless you have a PC version you'll have to literally take a picture of your TV screen, scan it onto a computer, and upload it somewhere.

But don't think you'll convince anyone besides yourself, Future. Everyone but you can see your theories for what they are... :rolleyes2

[eestlinc]

What's wrong with interpreting a game in your own way? These things are made for our own enjoyment. Future Esthar is free to take what he wishes from the game, and whether he's "right" or "wrong" doesn't really matter.

[Sir Bahamut]

Eh, there's a difference between interpreting the game your own way and claiming Rinoa splits into multiple Ellones in outer space. :rolleyes2

But yeah, you're right that Future can believe whatever he wants. But you may not remember what it was like the last time he went on a spree of 'theory topics'. Wasn't very pretty, and it looks like he's starting all over again now.

[eestlinc]

Well, your responses dictate the tenor of the debate as much as the quality of his theories.

[The Anarchy Angel]

Grr, for goodness sakes! It isn't a desert becasue there is no sand, right, just cracked ground? But what we also have to remember is that time compression is still around, so it could just be a random place conjoured up by the last magic that exploded with Ultimecia. Personally, i think it just looks like the dried up dead looking flower field

[Future Esthar]

[QUOTE]Grr, for goodness sakes! It isn't a desert becasue there is no sand, right, just cracked ground? But what we also have to remember is that time compression is still around, so it could just be a random place conjoured up by the last magic that exploded with Ultimecia. Personally, i think it just looks like the dried up dead looking flower field[QUOTE] Agree completely.It was burned by Galbadian Soldiers, flooded by water,suffer ice catastrophes and used by ancient Estharians to construct a small village.

I have the pc version.How to take screenshots in this case?
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[The Anarchy Angel]

Thank you Future ^_~

[Del Murder]

I have the pc version.How to take screenshots in this case?
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Hit the 'print screen' key and paste it into Paint or some other picture editer.

[Sir Bahamut]

Well, your responses dictate the tenor of the debate as much as the quality of his theories.

I'll have to aplogise here, and admit that I may not exactly be the most patient man when it comes to dealing with his theories. I just get overly frustrated when I try and respond to his theories which are damn near impossible to understand to begin with, and he either completely ignores what I've been saying or cooks up something completely different which contradicts what he said in his previous post. Especially when some people actually take it seriously...

But yeah, sorry for being so rude, I'll try and tone it down.

[Future Esthar]

Thanks Del Murder.
I press print screen but nothing happens.
Where is the file with the picture suppose to be?

[eestlinc]

Print Screen will just store the image in your clipboard memory. After hitting print screen, switch back to yoru desktop, open Paint, and choose edt>paste and the screen image shopuld appear. Then you can save it to your hard drive, resize it, etc.

[Squall of SeeD]

What's wrong with interpreting a game in your own way?

That only goes so far. The storyline of a game is a written work created by an author that had an intent in mind when they wrote it. To argue that it could be interpreted in any direction would be like arguing that in The Lord of the Rings (spoiler for the books, movies, and games ahead) Sauron actually won and the whole victory was just a delusion that Sam was suffering from before Sauron executed him and claiming that it is as valid a take on things as any other.

Interpreting things your own way only goes so far, especially when you start posting on a public Forum and arguing that your interpretations are fact when they are contradicted by the actual work in question.

[Christmas]

She starts at the beach,runs through the sea and while she is talking to Squall she hops between Esthar and the sea.Then she is at the flower field,some leafs fall and she takes a feather.Then the leafs and the feathers start to flying and (with the camera at the same place) the scene goes continually to the battle event

I pretty sure what that the girl was Rinoa and not Ellone...

Now that with this theory of yours make Ellone the main female character since she is Squall's true love as for Rinoa...she can go wash the toliet? So,what is Rinoa's purpose of existence in the game since she is not the female lead.....to split into many Ellones?

Also in the ending when Squall and Rinoa end up together is actually Squall thought Rinoa will split into many Ellones so he can live happily with all his lovers?And last but not least..what about the LOGO???The lady in the logo is actually Ellone and not Rinoa???....I need to go on medication.....please excuse me.....

[Future Esthar]

Let me explain it to you,Unknow.
Rinoa is the true Ellone.I am yet to proof this (needs to take a screenshot).

The grown Ellone is just a machine similar to Ellone and with the same abilities.Not the doctors invention ones but similar to it.

Unless you think Rinoa is the machine one which i don´t believe.

[Christmas]

So in conclusion it is Rinoa = REAL Ellone and Ellone = A Machine
so which STILL mean Ellone = Rinoa. right?

[Sir Bahamut]

Unknown, you'd be best not to take his Ellone being a machine and all that as anything remotely serious. Although he may find it fits somehow in his warped mind, i's certainly nothing any sane person should consider.

[Future Esthar]

So in conclusion it is Rinoa = REAL Ellone and Ellone = A Machine
so which STILL mean Ellone = Rinoa. right?

Right.This theory is familiar to some forum members.I just post it here for Unknow to know.
Do you wanna the proof.?
Wait a little and your eyes will testifie it.

[Tricia]

Thanks Del Murder.
I press print screen but nothing happens.
Where is the file with the picture suppose to be?
Ever heard of PSX-MC? It's more easier to use. You can save all the movies from the game, take pictures, and you can burn them into a disc if you want.

[Future Esthar]

http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15030&stc=1

http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15029&stc=1


Eait a little.I am testing the image thing.This will be edited.
I upload the images but how can I post them in the middle of the post?
And what did IMG stand for.How to use it?

[Doomie]

Oh yes. I see it. They're the same person, and the real message of FFVIII is that incest should be tolerable.

I'm sorry, but I don't see it. I need more proof.

[Future Esthar]

Squall and Ellone weren´t brothers.

[Doomie]

Squall and Ellone weren´t brothers.

They were basically raised as siblings. Raine was Squall's mother. Raine also adopted Ellone. Laguna is Ellone's "Uncle" and Squall's father. If they're not siblings, they're damn close to it. If a family with only a son adopted a girl, I'm pretty sure the son and daughter wouldn't fall in love, nor should they.

[Winter Nights]

Oh yes. I see it. They're the same person, and the real message of FFVIII is that incest should be tolerable.

Actually, the fact that Squall's father and Rinoa's mother were in love briefly kinda weirds me out a bit. Like their children were rekindling the romance that they lost. :sweatdrop

[Squall of SeeD]

...

What. The. Fuck.

Please tell me that this nonsense doesn't have to be allowed to go on.

Jesus God, Future, all of those doubles are of Rinoa. Look at them. You can even see her duster hanging to her feet in all of them. Bloody hell.

[crazybayman]

...

What. The. smurf.

Please tell me that this nonsense doesn't have to be allowed to go on.

Jesus God, Future, all of those doubles are of Rinoa. Look at them. You can even see her duster hanging to her feet in all of them. Bloody hell.
Exactly. And is there any point to the picture of Ellone sitting down?

Maybe Future is just doing this to get a rise out of everyone.

[Christmas]

You are saying Ellone = Rinoa based on THAT????
Even a two year old will see those are double images of Rinoa or you prefer to call her Ellone.
You really need to take a CLEAR look at the picture.

[Future Esthar]

PLEASE JUST TELL ME HOW TO USE THE [IMG] TAG TO POST IMAGES (OR WHATEVER OTHER METHOD) INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING THE THEORY. :mad2:

[Winter Nights]

You had the images posted just fine before. Why did you take them down?

And that would be [*IMG]http://www.whatever.com/blah.jpg[*/IMG]. Just remove the *s.

[Future Esthar]

Oh,I am not supposed to see the images I post?
Only the other members?
I mean,see them without need to click on the link.

[Winter Nights]

No.. if you put the IMG tags around the url, it should display fine. Unless there is an issue with your hosting or the site it's coming from.

EDIT: Oh, I see.. Nah, attachments don't give you the complete url to the pic. You'd need an actual link, which would come from hosting the file, rather than attaching it.

[Future Esthar]

What do you mean by hosting a file?

[Winter Nights]

Like the way people have images in their sigs. That sig has to be hosted by an external site.

www.photobucket.com <<That's a decent free file hosting site.

[Squall of SeeD]

Because I'm an untrusting bastard, I'm just going to save Future the time to come up with a way to cover himself on this one and host the images he had up before:

http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doublesofrinoa8hp.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ellone7tr.jpg

No bloody splitting into Ellone is taking place there. It's obviously Rinoa splitting into Rinoa.

[Christmas]

No matter how I look at it from whatever angle it is still Rinoa but since Future claim Ellone = Rinoa and Rinoa split into a lot of images of herself so that's also mean Rinoa spliting into many Ellones?Alright, this doesn't make sense. As I say before, even a two year old can tell that is Rinoa's double images.

Also,even if Rinoa split into many Ellones, it is still not convincing enough to say Rinoa is Ellone and Ellone is just a freaking machine and why is that so since the machine is only avaliable in the future.And also, why did the REAL Ellone turn into Rinoa and didn't stay as herself and how did she do that?

So when Julia get pregant and give birth, just what the hell did she give birth to? Ellone as Rinoa, or Ellone or Rinoa as Ellone or a Machine or she just fart and didn't give birth at all.

[crazybayman]

What do you mean by hosting a file?
You could always just save the screenshots as pictures on your own computer, and attach them as thumbnails (you do this by clicking on the manage attachments button below the text window while posting a reply.

I'm really curious to see what it is your talking about.

[Future Esthar]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/Futuresthar/Ellonemelhor.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/Futuresthar/Rinoasplit.jpg

I am not saying that each splitting isn´t Rinoa.

What I am saying is that if you look at each splitting (without considering the clothes) you will see they are equal to the picture of Ellone.
Each split has short hair unlike Rinoa (but they are Rinoa).
This is mysterious.How can we have two Ellone´s at the same time?

The only explanation is either Rinoa is a robot and Ellone a human or Rinoa a human and Ellone a robot or Ellone possesses Rinoa(which makes no sense).
Looking at Rinoa´s personality I can´t really believe she is a robot so.

The little difference in the color of rinoa´s skin and Ellone´s skin is explained by the fact that Ellone is just a non perfect imitation.

And don´t say to me the characters use the same model.

We aren´t comparig two very different persons(like Ulti and Rinoa).We are comparing two persons with many similarities lile hair color,hair lenght,face structure,etc...

If Elle and Rinoa were important characters why would Square not bother to the fact that the splitting and Ellone were near equal?

To me these graphical considerations were more important in stating thruths about the game than a lot of scripts.

They were more reliable than the scripts obviously.
(Think about why is it that the graphics in FF8 were more realistic and get deep to details).

[Christmas]

Just because the image have a SHORTER hair mean they are not Rinoa but likely to be Ellone

Let me make a assumption, anyone with a scar is Squall????
Anyone that is blonde is Cloud???
Anyone with green eyes is Aeris????

The only explaination that they are all Rinoa's image and the short hair thingy is probably the graphic like sometime the eyes of the character will dissappeared and appear again.

[Future Esthar]

One can see that "Machine Ellone" was created to IMITATE Rinoa.

[crazybayman]

One can see that "Machine Ellone" was created to IMITATE Rinoa.
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[Christmas]

One can see that "Machine Ellone" was created to IMITATE Rinoa.

Then why it is call "Machine Ellone" and not "Machine Rinoa" since it is used to imitate Rinoa.

And for Hyne sake we all know that Machine Ellone is created by Dr Odine to imitate Ellone's powers.

Why do they want to imitate Rinoa anyway? Cause they want wings growing on their back?

Lastly, I still puzzled what do Julia give birth to? Let me guess.. Ultimecia? nah, mostly likely Kefka...

[Xaven]

Rinoa's splits have no mouths!! Now, we can safely assume that Ellone (Rinoa) is actually mute and communicates telepathically by making Squall and friends think they hear her voice and see her (non-existent) mouth move. Because of this, we know that Ultimecia's speech impediment (The C=K theory) is due to Rinoa's (Ellone's) mind eventually deteriorating over the many years.

OMG, I wonder how people didn't notice this!?! *Sarcasm to the extreme*

[Future Esthar]

It´s not only the "short hair".Everything is equal.
This is mysterious.
How is this possible?
You have to agree there is a plot hole here even if my theory don´t explains it.
This plot hole cannot be left open.

[Winter Nights]

I think you are mistaking sh*tty graphics for depth.

[Squall of SeeD]

Future, we can barely even see her hair in that damn picture due to the doubling effect. As hard as it would be to discern it with the translucency and the doubling effect, it's made more difficult because her hair is dark and the angles aren't exactly showing us Rinoa's back. Her hair is the same length it always was.

Jesus God, this has gone on long enough. I'm going to see if there are any Moderators with enough mercy to put this Thread down.

[Future Esthar]

Future, we can barely even see her hair in that damn picture due to the doubling effect. As hard as it would be to discern it with the translucency and the doubling effect, it's made more difficult because her hair is dark and the angles aren't exactly showing us Rinoa's back. Her hair is the same length it always was.

Don´t you think I didn´t thought about this?Of course I thought.

And there were scenes in which we see Rinoa´s back.
And believe-me I played the game and tried to separate one splitting from the others(this is possible).
And the hair was still short.
And since we see part of the hair in the translucency why can´t we see it all?
Why are you using excuses to keep your superiority to others?
I dismiss my theory.Happy?
But surely someone has to solve this mysteriy quickly.
We see that the splittings LOOKS PHYSICALLY like Ellone.
This mystery has to be solved somehow.

[Winter Nights]

I think you are mistaking sh*tty graphics for depth.

Again, I state.

[Future Esthar]

It didn´t matter the theory one addresses.
The splittings were similar to Ellone.
And this is mysterious.
End point.

[Christmas]

It didn´t matter the theory one addresses.
The splittings were similar to Ellone.
And this is mysterious.
End point.

Ok, but have a look at this two pictures.

http://img176.echo.cx/img176/3271/terra9my.png
http://img176.echo.cx/img176/9422/celes1nz.jpg

The girl in red is Terra and the other girl in white is Celes both from FF6.
They both look similar right?
But they are DIFFERENT person.
(Courtesy from this thread)
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=64083


I think you are mistaking sh*tty graphics for depth.

It might be the graphic problem or you just THINK too much...
And BTW, I still dun think the splittings look anywhere similar to Ellone.

[crazybayman]

So Future,

I was playing FFVIII last night, and at the part where you're getting ready to leave Fisherman's Horizon, just before that cheesy concert. Squall and Irvine are talking to Selphie by the Quad, trying to comfort her because the stage is demolished.

The Headmaster calls Squall over the PA, and he leaves Irvine to comfort Selphie..........however, Squall walks RIGHT through Irvine, instead of walking around him!!!!! (Well, in my copy, anyway).

So what do you think? hmm? Is this a glitch in the game?? NO!! PS1 games have perfect programming!! Just like in the case of the Rinoa = Ellone theory!!

So, is Irvine a "Dream" like Tidus in FFX? Is he not really there??? Is he imaginary like Mr. Snuffalufagus?? I mean, they don't remember him from the orphanage!!

[Winter Nights]

So Future,

I was playing FFVIII last night, and at the part where you're getting ready to leave Fisherman's Horizon, just before that cheesy concert. Squall and Irvine are talking to Selphie by the Quad, trying to comfort her because the stage is demolished.

The Headmaster calls Squall over the PA, and he leaves Irvine to comfort Selphie..........however, Squall walks RIGHT through Irvine, instead of walking around him!!!!! (Well, in my copy, anyway).

So what do you think? hmm? Is this a glitch in the game?? NO!! PS1 games have perfect programming!! Just like in the case of the Rinoa = Ellone theory!!

So, is Irvine a "Dream" like Tidus in FFX? Is he not really there??? Is he imaginary like Mr. Snuffalufagus?? I mean, they don't remember him from the orphanage!!

Both Irvine and Rinoa DIED while the others were in prison. They are ghosts. It doesn't say this or hint it in any fashion, but it's one of those SECRET side plots that only cool people can figure out.

[crazybayman]

So Future,

I was playing FFVIII last night, and at the part where you're getting ready to leave Fisherman's Horizon, just before that cheesy concert. Squall and Irvine are talking to Selphie by the Quad, trying to comfort her because the stage is demolished.

The Headmaster calls Squall over the PA, and he leaves Irvine to comfort Selphie..........however, Squall walks RIGHT through Irvine, instead of walking around him!!!!! (Well, in my copy, anyway).

So what do you think? hmm? Is this a glitch in the game?? NO!! PS1 games have perfect programming!! Just like in the case of the Rinoa = Ellone theory!!

So, is Irvine a "Dream" like Tidus in FFX? Is he not really there??? Is he imaginary like Mr. Snuffalufagus?? I mean, they don't remember him from the orphanage!!

Both Irvine and Rinoa DIED while the others were in prison. They are ghosts. It doesn't say this or hint it in any fashion, but it's one of those SECRET side plots that only cool people can figure out.

Ooohhhhhhh........so that's it

[Future Esthar]

It happens all the time in the game.You just need to control Squall in the field going back and forth.Eventually the characters will pass over him.This seems just a glitch to me.
Why are you taking me as stupid?
I know how to distinguish between a glitch and a non glitch.

And Unknows,despite I never played FF6,I bet there wasn´t any machine to imitate Celes or Terra.
But there was a machine to imitate little Ellone´s powers.
And for reasons I can´t reveal now(they are related to Adel and the Sorceress War but it´s not the right time to reveal it.I would need millions of threads to show it) the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.
Of course in the future Ulti will use it to send her consciousness to the past.
Basically after the real Ellone get to the White Seed ship somehow a battle begins and Elle was taken hostage by Galbadia.Edea was at the ship and (already possessed) manage to give Ellone to Galbadia.
She was adopted by Caraway who changed her name to Rinoa.
General Caraway is in fact a monster(maybe gerogero) who change it´s appearance after being possessed.
The general somehow obtained the machine and give it to the White Seed in Ellone´s place.
They thought it was Ellone and got away.

The general sealed his room to prevent Ellone to use it´s power inside there.He also devised a locking mechanism.
But Watt´s and Zone managed to free Rinoa.
How do they meet Rinoa?That´s another mystery I can´t reveal.
I can only say for now that Laguna and Ward were very smart.Smart enough to recognise the true Ellone.
The general changed the program of the machine so that it will give persons false visions about the past.

[crazybayman]

It happens all the time in the game.You just need to control Squall in the field going back and forth.Eventually the characters will pass over him.This seems just a glitch to me.
Why are you taking me as stupid?
I know how to distinguish between a glitch and a non glitch.
I figured you'd catch the sarcasm in that last post.....I didn't say you were stupid.


And Unknows,despite I never played FF6,I bet there wasn´t any machine to imitate Celes or Terra.
But there was a machine to imitate little Ellone´s powers.
And for reasons I can´t reveal now(they are related to Adel and the Sorceress War but it´s not the right time to reveal it.I would need millions of threads to show it) the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.

However, I wonder when you post stuff like this......... :p

[Future Esthar]

The last post was edited.

The sorceress never looks for Ellone in the 2nd disk.
It was an excuse.

Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

Balamb city-The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.
That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep.
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma.
I don´t know how the badamb fish is related to her ability.
Had to research that.
But ellone succeeds anyway because she starts to talk that "peace talk" at Trabia Garden to prepare our heros and then she enable them to the past (with a little help from Irvine).But this time they don´t sleep.They are enable to see their childhood awakened.

Galbadia Garden-The sorceress knowing this gets angry and awaits them at centra.She plans to force Seed to dispose of the Garden.But first she wanna to use GG to pull Balamb Garden out of Centra.
This way she prevents them to go to Centra since there were no other vehicles going there.
At the same time she tries to kill Ellone in the rotative ring of the Garden.
Then Squall and company would be sent to jail without an Ellone to save them.
However Laguna helped Squall to reach Rinoa(Ellone) flying on that machine.A soldier appears pretending to obey the sorceress and intentionaly losed to Squall to help him(with the flying machine).
This Laguna thing looked strange to you?Ignore it for now.
Seed succeeded but Edea has another plan.
To spread sleeping gas over Rinoa should she be defeated.And then at the 3rd disk she pretends she was not possessed.And then you know the rest of the story,don´t you?

[MJN SEIFER]

(I may have misssed bits on this thread but I got the jyst of it)


Ellone and Squall are brother and sister so the can't be lovers -that would be Cest
The place in the ending is not Ether it just a "Knowwhere" place contained in time compression.
It is similar to the place where you figth the GF (What ever you call squall's ring.)
Future Esther. What do you mean by "A film in reward"?
Make movies with the thinnesUnder the burger!!

[Future Esthar]

Rinoa was at the orphanage.Squall was in love for her.However due to her special ability she had to leave the orphanage.Squall´s heart broken hard and from that day he loses the will to depend on others.But when he meets her again his feelings start to boil.He don´t recognizes her but he starts to change due to her influence.
Squall always loved Rinoa.A simple "sister" feeling don´t produce that wreckage on Squall´s life.I grant you that.Love does.Ellone was a special girl to Squall in the same manner that Selphie was to Irvine(Love)
Squall don´t feels that way for machine Ellone (the person that appears as Ellone in the third disk).

[Winter Nights]

Rinoa was at the orphanage.Squall was in love for her.However due to her special ability she had to leave the orphanage.Squall´s heart broken hard and from that day he loses the will to depend on others.But when he meets her again his feelings start to boil.He don´t recognizes her but he starts to change due to her influence.
Squall always loved Rinoa.A simple "sister" feeling don´t produce that wreckage on Squall´s life.I grant you that.Love does.Ellone was a special girl to Squall in the same manner that Selphie was to Irvine(Love)
Squall don´t feels that way for machine Ellone (the person that appears as Ellone in the third disk).

See, what you aren't understanding is that all of your "theories" aren't backed up by any real facts. In fact, every "theory" you are announcing was portrayed to be something else or occur differently in the game. In very straightforward ways at that.

I'd vote that this thread be closed due to annoyance and confusion of everyone involved, but that will prolly never happen.

[Future Esthar]

No,they don´t occur differently.I just add things without substituting anything.
I didn´t said "Mayor Dobe wasn´t in FH" nor "Squall fight the soldiers and the machine at the Mayors house".No.
If you thought a little you will see that some of my theories made a lot of sense looking at the context.
For exemple the previous theory and the theory of what happens at FH.

[Winter Nights]

I HAVE looked at them. It's not that they wouldn't make sense.. It's that there is no reason to believe it occurred. You aren't reading too much into things, cause you are just adding new things for no apparent purpose.

[Future Esthar]

SUGESTION:Don´t look for proofs for my theories.
Just read them and keep them on your head while you play FF8.As long as you play it many times and as long as you keep listening to my theories,light will be shed in your head.You will see gradually that I am right.In fact the theories are linked like a puzzle.
They can not be seen independently of the others.They are only pieces of a big puzzle.I managed to sligtly see the overal puzzle.But it would be difficult to believe the theories until you see the whole.The theories became more obvious the most you can see this whole.This can only be achieved as long as you keep listening to them and when you start to see how they relate to each other.I can not post all of them on a single post.It would take about a month or more.And millions of lines in the post.
Since this is a game not can be proved but of course there would be some theories which would made more sense than others.This is the farthest we can go in.We can give different interpretations to the game
as long as we DON`T CONTRADICT THE EVENTS ON IT.
I am not saying I don´t make mistakes.Of course i can make.
And I don´t know everything about this whole puzzle.I need to research more to find.There were things I don´t understand yet.

[Christmas]

It happens all the time in the game.You just need to control Squall in the field going back and forth.Eventually the characters will pass over him.This seems just a glitch to me.
Why are you taking me as stupid?
I know how to distinguish between a glitch and a non glitch.

And Unknows,despite I never played FF6,I bet there wasn´t any machine to imitate Celes or Terra.
But there was a machine to imitate little Ellone´s powers.
And for reasons I can´t reveal now(they are related to Adel and the Sorceress War but it´s not the right time to reveal it.I would need millions of threads to show it) the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.
Of course in the future Ulti will use it to send her consciousness to the past.
Basically after the real Ellone get to the White Seed ship somehow a battle begins and Elle was taken hostage by Galbadia.Edea was at the ship and (already possessed) manage to give Ellone to Galbadia.
She was adopted by Caraway who changed her name to Rinoa.
General Caraway is in fact a monster(maybe gerogero) who change it´s appearance after being possessed.
The general somehow obtained the machine and give it to the White Seed in Ellone´s place.
They thought it was Ellone and got away.

The general sealed his room to prevent Ellone to use it´s power inside there.He also devised a locking mechanism.
But Watt´s and Zone managed to free Rinoa.
How do they meet Rinoa?That´s another mystery I can´t reveal.
I can only say for now that Laguna and Ward were very smart.Smart enough to recognise the true Ellone.
The general changed the program of the machine so that it will give persons false visions about the past.

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I also died laughing after reading this....

Let's just say Julia didn't give BIRTH to ANYTHING afterall. She just farted at the hospital, right? I just knew it!!!!!!!!!! Did you know one of the part that make FF8 interesting, is that Laguna and Julia can't get together but their children make it up for them. But now since Julia just farted at didn't give birth to anything at all, not even a lump of meat, so mentioning of this Julia's character serve no specific important purpose except she farted instead of giving birth.

So "Eyes on Me" also serve no specific purpose since no one seems related to Julia in anyway so what's the point of this song being played in the end? Cause everyone love Faye Wong?

As for Caraway being a monster, I know why!!! Wasn't there a theory saying Rinoa is ALSO Ultimecia, so Caraway is OMEGA WEAPON protecting the chapel.

Ok, back to business. When Ellone is onboard the White SeeD ship, she is OLD enough to know who her real PARENTS are. So if Omega weapon..I mean Caraway adopted her, she jolly well this old dude isn't her old man. So why didn't Rinoa tell anyone about this???

Dun tell me you gonna add "Oh, Caraway brainwash her with Terra Break which deal almost 18000 damage and anyone will be brainwashed after recieving this kind of damage."


The last post was edited.

The sorceress never looks for Ellone in the 2nd disk.
It was an excuse.

Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

Balamb city-The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.
That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep.
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma.
I don´t know how the badamb fish is related to her ability.
Had to research that.
But ellone succeeds anyway because she starts to talk that "peace talk" at Trabia Garden to prepare our heros and then she enable them to the past (with a little help from Irvine).But this time they don´t sleep.They are enable to see their childhood awakened.

Galbadia Garden-The sorceress knowing this gets angry and awaits them at centra.She plans to force Seed to dispose of the Garden.But first she wanna to use GG to pull Balamb Garden out of Centra.
This way she prevents them to go to Centra since there were no other vehicles going there.
At the same time she tries to kill Ellone in the rotative ring of the Garden.
Then Squall and company would be sent to jail without an Ellone to save them.
However Laguna helped Squall to reach Rinoa(Ellone) flying on that machine.A soldier appears pretending to obey the sorceress and intentionaly losed to Squall to help him(with the flying machine).
This Laguna thing looked strange to you?Ignore it for now.
Seed succeeded but Edea has another plan.
To spread sleeping gas over Rinoa should she be defeated.And then at the 3rd disk she pretends she was not possessed.And then you know the rest of the story,don´t you?

You should really send this to Square, all their staffs will be amazed by your...imaginations.It is like FF8 is a totally DIFFERENT story now...I mean, FF8 has turned out to be YOUR story.

[Garnie]

i thought he was in edeas orphanage but then again he was traveling through time so he could have been there but just a 100000000 years in the futyre or a 100000 years from the past....urgh what am i onabout

[crazybayman]

The last post was edited.

The sorceress never looks for Ellone in the 2nd disk.
It was an excuse.

Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

Balamb city-The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.
That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep.
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma.
I don´t know how the badamb fish is related to her ability.
Had to research that.
But ellone succeeds anyway because she starts to talk that "peace talk" at Trabia Garden to prepare our heros and then she enable them to the past (with a little help from Irvine).But this time they don´t sleep.They are enable to see their childhood awakened.

Galbadia Garden-The sorceress knowing this gets angry and awaits them at centra.She plans to force Seed to dispose of the Garden.But first she wanna to use GG to pull Balamb Garden out of Centra.
This way she prevents them to go to Centra since there were no other vehicles going there.
At the same time she tries to kill Ellone in the rotative ring of the Garden.
Then Squall and company would be sent to jail without an Ellone to save them.
However Laguna helped Squall to reach Rinoa(Ellone) flying on that machine.A soldier appears pretending to obey the sorceress and intentionaly losed to Squall to help him(with the flying machine).
This Laguna thing looked strange to you?Ignore it for now.
Seed succeeded but Edea has another plan.
To spread sleeping gas over Rinoa should she be defeated.And then at the 3rd disk she pretends she was not possessed.And then you know the rest of the story,don´t you?


Rinoa was at the orphanage.Squall was in love for her.However due to her special ability she had to leave the orphanage.Squall´s heart broken hard and from that day he loses the will to depend on others.But when he meets her again his feelings start to boil.He don´t recognizes her but he starts to change due to her influence.
Squall always loved Rinoa.A simple "sister" feeling don´t produce that wreckage on Squall´s life.I grant you that.Love does.Ellone was a special girl to Squall in the same manner that Selphie was to Irvine(Love)
Squall don´t feels that way for machine Ellone (the person that appears as Ellone in the third disk).
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Man, What are you on??

Not one single person so far has agreed with your retarded theories. Its because THEY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. You are trying to read way to far into the game, to the point where your assuming things that in no way exist in FF8.

I'd go through your posts, and point out all the things which are WRONG, but I would end up Re-writing your entire theory, and I just don't have the time, nor have the interest to do. Even if I did, it would be pointless, because everyone realizes that its all just ridiculous anyway.

Why don't you write Square and the creators and programmers of this game, with your Theories, and see what they have to say.

[Aurora_sword]

i always thought he was inside his mind,,,

[Future Esthar]

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.

[crazybayman]

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.
You seriously must be on crack.


But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
Where do you get proof of this?



Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
Or this?!?!?!?!?

[Aurora_sword]

....this page is total crazyness.....
i don't want to read more
*hits post button and leaves thread*

[Christmas]

That´s why they were called theories.They weren´t walkthroughs.

No way.I don´t wanna to contact Square.Not in my wildest dreams.
Don´t do it please(I really prefer to be banned.)

Unknows,Julia IS Rinoa´s mother.
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill.
She was adopted here but her adoptive fathers were killed by Esthar.
From now you know what happens.
Due to her special ability she was forced to leave the orphanage.
It was here that Galbadia take Elle as a hostage.
I was not referring to the part in which she yelled something and left.
I refer when she had to left the orphanage at her childhood.
Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert.
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).
In fact,this stresses Julia´s importance in the game.

I truly have no idea how you came up with this theory of yours...
You just modified the whole story into your own version of FF8.
Just one little question...

http://www.eyesonff.com/ff8/characters.shtml

The link above show the characters' profile but what is most important is the AGE. Since Ellone = Rinoa so Rinoa should be older than Squall. How do you explain that they are the same age?

[Future Esthar]

Believe-me,Caraway managed to make it look like they had different ages.
And I don´t changed the story.
I just filled the voids between different events.

[crazybayman]

It IS final "Fantasy" and all, but this is just going overboard....

so answer my question:

Where are you getting that Caraway killed Julia, and Deling brings her back to life?

[Christmas]

Believe-me,Caraway managed to make it look like they had different ages.
And I don´t changed the story.
I just filled the voids between different events.

What do you mean manage to look like they have different age?
We all know Ellone is already running and kicking when Squall is in his mother's womb.

You are making like Caraway is the main villian and yet in the game he is so minor and pretty unimportant after Disc 1.And since he is so bad, why didn't Square indented him as a boss so that the heros can finish him off?

[Future Esthar]

[QUOTE]
Location: #91


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SUGESTIONon´t look for proofs for my theories.
Just read them and keep them on your head while you play FF8.As long as you play it many times and as long as you keep listening to my theories,light will be shed in your head.You will see gradually that I am right.In fact the theories are linked like a puzzle.
They can not be seen independently of the others.They are only pieces of a big puzzle.I managed to sligtly see the overal puzzle.But it would be difficult to believe the theories until you see the whole.The theories became more obvious the most you can see this whole.This can only be achieved as long as you keep listening to them and when you start to see how they relate to each other.I can not post all of them on a single post.It would take about a month or more.And millions of lines in the post.
Since this is a game not can be proved but of course there would be some theories which would made more sense than others.This is the farthest we can go in.We can give different interpretations to the game
as long as we DON`T CONTRADICT THE EVENTS ON IT.
I am not saying I don´t make mistakes.Of course i can make.
And I don´t know everything about this whole puzzle.I need to research more to find.There were things I don´t understand yet.


You didn´t answer to this yet.This explains my philosophy on creating theories

And look,the president double was a monster that was possessed and changed it´s shape.
This is a plot hole.The game never explains how is it that a monster changes shape and helps the president.This is soo weird.This should be the matter of this topic.
I wonder how people didn´t discuss this.

This is strange even in a Fantasy game.


If a monster can do this why do we assume the president himself was not a monster?

And the general is physically equal to the president.He just looks more stronger and fatter..
If Ulti can possess Edea she can also possess a monster.

I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters.




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[crazybayman]

You still haven't answered my question, but instead posted more jibberish. The reason you haven't replied, is because its a LOAD OF CRAP, and you have no basis to prove it.

I'm pretty sure that the only people that Ultimecia can possess are other sorceress, like Edea, Adel, and Rinoa. NOT MONSTERS.

The president was not a monster. If he was, don't you think he would've fought back against Edea/ulti?



I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters.

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Now you've gone off the deep end.

[Christmas]

And look,the president double was a monster that was possessed and changed it´s shape.
This is a plot hole.The game never explains how is it that a monster changes shape and helps the president.This is soo weird.This should be the matter of this topic.
I wonder how people didn´t discuss this.

This is strange even in a Fantasy game.

It is quite obvious that the monster is a minion of the president as the president was expecting Rinoa and gang. Why I know?




It is based on common knowledge and logical analysis/assumption as I stated before.You dun need to see a hen lay egg to know that it will lay egg. One last idiot proof example:

It is told that Rinoa is a GIRL but there is no proof that she is a girl. So what if she looks like a girl? Must we strip her naked to proof she is a girl?

And Ultimecia can only posses sorceress and no one else, pls go read the story and if she can posses others, why didn't he go posses Squall?


I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters

I personally dun think so.

Btw, what about the age thing?

[GooeyToast]

Yet more theorys....

[Squall of SeeD]

Yet more theorys....

"Yet more bull/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif."


There. Fixed it for you.

[Chris]

Play nice, people.

[Winter Nights]

There is a difference between a theory and making stuff up around the known story.

And for Caraway to meet Julia while she had a child, she would had to have had a child or have been knocked up when she met Laguna.

Next you'll tell us Laguna knocked her up and the whole Squall/Rinoa romance is an incest story.

[GooeyToast]

I bet he will.

[Future Esthar]

Rinoa is not Caraway nor Laguna´s daughter.


And Ultimecia can only posses sorceress and no one else, pls go read the story and if she can posses others, why didn't he go posses Squall?

What do you think she was gonna do to him at the prision?To possess him and the others.Of course she needs first to exploit Squall´s mind to see if he has already forgotten everything about his childhood.She uses a machine who sends electrical currents through his body scanning his mind and registering it on a tv set and a guard to force him to look for it on his memory.
Caraway rescue Rinoa to prevent her from using her ability on them.But she already has.Edea thinks she sends them to their childhood.
Elle send Zell to Ward´s body so he was able to get them out of there.
Edea plans to scan the mind of the other characters too.
She would then announce the death of Seed(I think she wanna people to think Squall was dead.´That´s why she kill Squall at the parade and then revives him.) to the world.A sealing mechanism prevents people´s conscience to be inside our heros(through Elle´s power) and see what happens there.
Our heros would stay there and (already possessed ) many hundreds of years later they would rule over the Galbadia continent using Timber as their capital.That´s what Edea plans.But before that something horrible would be performed on them by Edea on the prision.

[Winter Nights]

I'm sorry.. Now Caraway ISN'T a monster? I think you are getting confused over your own "theories" now.

EDIT: And I notice you didn't mention anything about the flaw I mentioned in your theory.

[Destai]

Its becoming increasingly clear that future esthars trying to wind you up by taking his own theories seriously. Hey, it seems to work. Dont get too bothered over it.

[Xaven]

I read Future's "theory" threads for entertainment. They are all SO funny that I actually laugh out loud. :D Honestly, they're hilarious!

[Winter Nights]

I read Future's "theory" threads for entertainment. They are all SO funny that I actually laugh out loud. :D Honestly, they're hilarious!

Indeed. It's how I pass the time here at work. :D

[Future Esthar]

Were do I said he wasn´t a monster? Of course he is.And president Deling also.

Please don´t stop your work for my theories.That´s bad.Your work is more important.

Can´t reveal Rinoa´s father for now.It requires you to believe that the world of FF8 is already under time compression.

[Winter Nights]

Nevermind I read that wrong. But, since when is Seifer's torturing of Squall scanning his mind? Edea was never even the room, nor was implied that she was even AT the prison.

And I do Tech Support. ALOT of time in front of a computer. My work isn't affected by this, believe me.

[Future Esthar]

Edea wasn´t there but she planned this.Not even Seifer knows how the machine really works.The guard knows.That´s why he asks it to Squall and gives a discharge on him before he can even talk.
Seifer don´t know the SeeD thing was to test if Squall remembers something about his childhood.

[Winter Nights]

AH yes.. More things that are never stated, that you have no proof of. Gotcha.

[Christmas]

What do you think she was gonna do to him at the prision?To possess him and the others.Of course she needs first to exploit Squall´s mind to see if he has already forgotten everything about his childhood.She uses a machine who sends electrical currents through his body scanning his mind and registering it on a tv set and a guard to force him to look for it on his memory

Here is some little info I got from the game script:


In order for Ultimecia to exist in this time, she must take over
ze body of a sorceress from ze present. But ze machine must have a
limit. Ultimecia probably needs to go back further in time to achieve
time compression. Only Ellone can take her back further into ze past.
Zat iz why she iz desperately seeking her. We must take advantage of
Ellone's power. There are 2 sorceresses in our time. Sorceress Rinoa
and Sorceress Adel. Of ze two, Adel has not awaken yet. Once
regeneration is completed, neither Laguna not I will be safe. Sorceress
Adel is probably in ze process of awakening inside of Lunatic Pandora.
Ultimecia will want to possess Adel

it is clearly stated that Ultimecia can only possess sorceress.SO what you say of trying to possess others isn't valid.
And what about the similar in age question I asked ages ago?

[Future Esthar]

I already explained the age thing.
Edea ,Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie were sorceresses.This means they were female Propagators
(the True origin and nature of Sorceress).
Seifer,Squall,Zell and Irvine were True Knights.This means they were male Propagators(the True origin and nature of True Knights).
Ulti=Edea is a propagator and can possess propagators.
By the way,despite the fact Odine is a genious he is limited and not perfect.He can make mistakes.
Ulti=Edea was possessed by someone else (I used to call this person X).
I believe X can possess anyone as long as some conditions are met.I am humble enough to admit I don´t know what these conditions are.

[Winter Nights]

Now all females are sorceresses and all males are knights? Dude, are you even trying now?

[Christmas]

I already explained the age thing.
Edea ,Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie were sorceresses.This means they were female Propagators
(the True origin and nature of Sorceress).
Seifer,Squall,Zell and Irvine were True Knights.This means they were male Propagators(the True origin and nature of True Knights).
Ulti=Edea is a propagator and can possess propagators.
By the way,despite the fact Odine is a genious he is limited and not perfect.He can make mistakes.
Ulti=Edea was possessed by someone else (I used to call this person X).
I believe X can possess anyone as long as some conditions are met.I am humble enough to admit I don´t know what these conditions are.

Awesome....but since you refer that all of the girls have a same family line in your other thread so it make sense that all girls are sorceress , ya?

Also, all males are the girls' boyfriend as mentioned it your other thread so it make sense that they are their knights, ya?

So this mysterious "X" person is a mystery that you dun even know, ya?

So, talking about possess, which person everyone have in mind that do nothing but possess other,ya?

Well we have YU YEVON!!!! Since person "X" and FF X both have a "X" in their name. So Yu Yevon posses Ulti = Edea and started all this,ya?

And the heros start a pilgrimage to defeat Yu Yevon which is Ulti, right? So FF VIII and FFX is kinda related, ya?

So the girls who are sorceress = summoners
The guys who are knights = guardians

As for the conditions, simple! Yu Yevon can only posses aeons in FF X but in FF VIII, only sorceress got possessed. Not only that, Yu Yevon got defeated by SUMMONER in FF X, so he hold a grudge and developed a way to possess summoners which is sorceress. There is also a high possibily that Yu Yevon is actually HYNE!!! I am working on the theory now...

I am smart, ya? :D

[Future Esthar]

Awesome....but since you refer that all of the girls have a same family line in your other thread so it make sense that all girls are sorceress , ya?

Also, all males are the girls' boyfriend as mentioned it your other thread so it make sense that they are their knights, ya?

Exactly.Good to know you start to see the linking between my theories.



So this mysterious "X" person is a mystery that you dun even know, ya?

No,I know who he/she is.But you aren´t prepared yet to receive this revelation.
You need to understand first what is happening in the world of FF8.


Well we have YU YEVON!!!! Since person "X" and FF X both have a "X" in their name. So Yu Yevon posses Ulti = Edea and started all this,ya?

And the heros start a pilgrimage to defeat Yu Yevon which is Ulti, right? So FF VIII and FFX is kinda related, ya?

So the girls who are sorceress = summoners
The guys who are knights = guardians

As for the conditions, simple! Yu Yevon can only posses aeons in FF X but in FF VIII, only sorceress got possessed. Not only that, Yu Yevon got defeated by SUMMONER in FF X, so he hold a grudge and developed a way to possess summoners which is sorceress. There is also a high possibily that Yu Yevon is actually HYNE!!! I am working on the theory now...

I am smart, ya?

X is just a codename I give.It isn´t related to FFX in anyway.
It´s interesting to see how the games were related though I never played FFX.

[Winter Nights]

I doubt there is a sole person who believes you "theories", so make the big reveal. Who is the mysterious "X"?

[Future Esthar]

One more reason not to reveal.

[Christmas]

I can see there is much linkage of FF8 and FF X after being "enlighten" by Future's Theories.

Hyne is the almighty god of FF 8 and the first sorceress.
Yu Yevon is the "god" of FF X and the leader of summoners.

People in FF 8 originated from the Centra civilization except for the Estharians. So that make two major civilizations in the game, Centra and Esthar but Centra was destroyed.

In FF X, Zanarkand and Bevelle was the two major civilizations and Zanarkand was destroyed.

In FF 8, Esthar speciallized in machine and technology while it is a mystery of what the Centra people specialized in.

In FF X, Bevelle specialized in machine and technology while Zanarkand their precious summoners.

Mysterious points known as "draw points" is seen popping out of the ground in FF 8 which is much believe is the point that lead to the spirit energies of the farplane in FF X.

A deep sea research center is built in the middle of nowhere to dig deep in the ground for research purposes. I believe they are digging for the passageway to the farplane.

So I assume Zanarkand is actually Centra!!! :D After Yuna save the world the second time, people begin inhabited and rebuild Zanarkand.
And Bevelle move on with its technology until the Lunar cry which wipe out the Centra. Also, Besaid island might just be Balamb.

We were told that Yu Yevon is an immortal and won't kick the bucket that easily so I assume Yu Yevon live on for centuries bidding his time. As time goes by, people will forget about Yu Yevon so he resurfaced as Hyne. Yu Yevon also know as Hyne pass his power to other sorceress and those that receive his powers is under his mercy. :)

Sorceress that receive his powers is condemned by those around her and in anger, sorceress unleash their wrath upon humans. When sorceress is upon the blink of death, they pass their powers to other sorceress and continued their terror. :eek:

See the link? This is like Spira's "Spiral of Death" and the sorceress is just other Sin used by Yevon/Hyne. :D

After getting to heard of Ellone/Rinoa, Yevon came up with a even evilier plot than the old school "Spiral of Death" which is time compression. So he picked on a suitable candidate which hold his powers to do the job which happen to be Edea\Uli\Julia. That explain why Uti\Edea\Julia can only possess sorceress. :D

So, "X" = Hyne/Yevon.

What an ingenious story...I mean theory I have. :p

[Winter Nights]

LOL, Unknowns.


One more reason not to reveal.
Just do it, already.

[Squall of SeeD]

Future, before you come back in here saying how Unknowns' Post is utter bull/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif, keep in mind that she has as much backing her mockery of you as you've got backing your perversion of the actual storyline of Final Fantasy VIII.

Your "theories" are totally baseless. You don't "fill in the gaps" in a bloody story, dude. The writer tells you what's there and anything that steps outside the realm of reasonable assumption (anything not directly supported by the game or real world logic) is not a fact and is not even open for consideration as a fact, yet you are touting this /xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif as fact.

[Shoden]

Future esthar that is all total BULL/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif/xxx.gif man they make no sense at all.


this is just random nonsense

[Shauna]

I can't believe I just read all that... and, I don't understand any of it.

I'm not confused or anything... I just couldn't take any of it in.. xD :D

[Shoden]

you're not alone shauna

[Del Murder]

Please watch the fine line between discussing theories and spreading rumors, and also that between poking holes in a member's theory and belittling them.

FE, if you have additional info you wish to present, just come out with it. Holding it back just to irritate the other members will just get you into trouble.

[Future Esthar]

Future esthar that is all total BULL man they make no sense at all.


this is just random nonsense

No it isn´t.Why do you just say it´s nonsense and don´t even try to argue the points in it.
That way you can´t show me they were nonsense.
No one was even able to show it was nonsense.You just say it.They were unproved but not necessarily nonsense.I challenge you to argue and show me wrong.


Open up your eyes for God's sake. Damn.

You are the close minded one because you can not see behiond the game.
So open up your eyes for God´s sake.
You belong to a class of members which I call "Whatever members"
Whatever members never forms a theory on FF8.And they always hate when you do.It din´t matter if a theory mades more or less sense.
They always find an excuse to debunk their theories.

[MJN SEIFER]

Can I just point out that the person doing these Theorys (Future Esthar) is the SAME person who thought that the Junction Machine Ellone was on the MD level just because he descided to change ONE leter in the Password for Ragnorok?

[Future Esthar]

Can I just point out that the person doing these Theorys (Future Esthar) is the SAME person who thought that the Junction Machine Ellone was on the MD level just because he descided to change ONE leter in the Password for Ragnorok?

I never said that.I just found it interesting that the two words were on the same code.


and also that between poking holes in a member's theory and belittling them.

Forget my bad English but what do you mean with that?

[Christmas]

Ok, whatever it is, I pretty sure of my FF8 and FFX linkage and strongly believe "X" is Yu Yevon\Hyne and I am based on a theory I have before just like how Future determined the "TRUTH" of FF8 based on his theory.

So,now "X" is Yu Yevon/Hyne, everyone agree? :D


Since I have already covered the missing loophole, do Future have any more to add?

[Xaven]

He only adds more when people find a hole in the plot of his theories.

Frankly, Unknown's theory of FFVIII and FFX being linked is much more knowlegable and based on actual things occuring in the game. Even if he didn't, Future Esthar's theories look like he made them up on the spot.

[Christmas]

Frankly, Unknowns theory of FFVIII and FFX being linked is much more knowlegable and based on actual things occuring in the game.

Someone did agree. :)


Even if he didn't, Future Esthar's theories look like he made them up on the spot

No, I pretty sure. Go see his previous posts on this forum and you will understand.
He have all this theories up in almost a year before this.

(For your info, I read a lot of his previous posts which is truly inspire you to think that FF 8 is more than its meet the eyes...or through his eyes that is...)

[Del Murder]

Forget my bad English but what do you mean with that?
It wasn't directed at you so you don't have to worry. It means discuss the theories and not the member posting them.

[Future Esthar]

I don´t made them on the spot.
They were the work of many years playing FF8(I have it since November 1999 and play it yet.)
By the way,Unknows,are you being sarcastic or you really believe that theory?.I became convinced that you believe.
Do you think Hyne is the possessor of Ulti?Man,that Hyne thing is a little odd.I have read his story.It says his body split in two and all that.
Do you really believe that odd Hyne possessed Ulti?I really think so.
I really believe we had already saw Thedascabar in the game.
(Or whatever is the name it is given to the guy who proved to the Zebaldas that Hyne was corrupt).

[Christmas]

By the way,Unknows,are you being sarcastic or you really believe that theory?.

Whether I believe or not is solely up to you to decide or whether I believe or not is not the objective since my theory is not a stand alone theory but something to reinforce your theory. Feel free to argue my points if you disagree.... I mean points of my theory :p



Do you think Hyne is the possessor of Ulti?Man,that Hyne thing is a little odd.I have read his story.It says his body split in two and all that.
Do you really believe that odd Hyne possessed Ulti?I really think so.

Here is a little info about Hyne:



He created Homo Sapiens(humans) and then went to sleep.The Homo Sapiens soon rebelled against him. Hyne is said to have begun to lose the war with the Homo Sapiens who rebelled against him, and offered up half of his body to them along with his powers as a peace offering. However, he had tricked them and offered up a powerless skin of himself, taking his power with him in his escape.

It may very well be that Hyne escaped death at the hands of the Light Warriors and eventually gave up his powers unto some Homo Sapien Females. While Hyne is regarded as the creator of Homo Sapiens, the legend still retains information suggestive of him having been an asshole and that People rose up against him.

The legend goes that the Great Hyne created people. The sorceresses were given a fragment of Hyne's own power. It's hard to determine how many sorceresses exist today, for many keep their powers concealed. However, it is believed that they avoid spreading their power too thin.

Yu Yevon is the supreme god of the Yevonites and creator of dream Zanarkand. Almost everyone in FFX is a yevonite and worship Yevon like he is their "creator".Yuna and friends, all yevonites except for tidus which is Yevon's creation rose up again him. :D

Yevon lost and dissappeared into thin air but as told ,Yevon is immortal, not a mere unsent, so it might like he escaped. :D

From the game, we know the Yu Yevon is a complete a**h**** after the truth is revealed. To avoid being pursue, Yevon passed his powers to some random female summoner. :D

The summoner get a fragment of his dark powers and pass on until the time of summoner is forgotten and came the Sorceress. :D

All sorceress have Yevon's(which is known as Hyne through the passing of time) power and is practically Yevon's pawn. :D

So Yevon/Hyne can just pick any sorceress to do his dirty job. :love:


I really believe we had already saw Thedascabar in the game.
(Or whatever is the name it is given to the guy who proved to the Zebaldas that Hyne was corrupt).

I have no idea what you are talking about....

[Future Esthar]

I am talking about the story the White Seed woman tell to the children when Squall gets onboard their ship.I believe Vascaroon represents Laguna Loire(it´s not Thedascar but Vascaroon.I played it now).
And it´s Zebalgas,not Zebaldas.

[crazybayman]

Future,

Do YOU even look for proof of your theories? You haven't backed not one crazy theory with real proof yet. So you must be just hauling them out of thin air.

Jeepers, can't you even sense the sarcasm in Unknowns posts? She's making up some crazy ideas, which really have no basis. Which is exactly what you're doing.

Like I said before, I'd go through all your posts, and show you how their wrong, but I'd literally have to critic EVERY sentence you've typed. I just don't have the time to do that.

People have argued the Rinoa = Ulti theory for ages (not going to open up that can of worms, however). That's because there are some points that may be able to prove it, and some points that contradict it. There are other theories that can be argued.

You, however, still haven't proved any of your points. You've come up with things like Caraway Killed Julia, everyone evolved from Shumis, Edea (Ulti) was scanning Squall's memory while he was being tortured, etc, things that have NO basis whatsoever in the game.

So are you going to even to attempt to prove your theory at all, before finishing it? All we've heard so far is a thread full of statements that in no way can be proven.

So I am asking you......CAN you prove anything at all? An answer will be appreciated :) .

[Christmas]

Once upon a time there was a person named Hyne. Hyne was the ruler of the world. He became lazy and decided to make a tool to make his life easier. Hyne made a neat tool. His tool could make more tools by itself. Soon there were a lot of tools in the world. These tools were actually people.

When Hyne woke up, he was surprised because there were a lot of people. Hyne wanted to reduce the number of people, and used magic to burn up a lot of small people. The small people were children. The people cherished the children very much. So the people rebelled against Hyne. Hyne used powerful magic to fight them. The people couldn't use magic, but they had wisdom.

Eventually, Hyne began to lose the war, because there were too many people to fight, and they were getting smarter. Therefore, he decided to make peace with people by offering them half of his body along with his powers. Hyne cut his body in half and gave the people half as he promised.

Then, another war started. People began to fight over the power Hyne offered them through his body. This war lasted decades. Finally, King Zebalga and the Zebalga tribe emerged victorious and demanded Hyne's body-half to get its pwers. But the body ignored their commands.

Then, Vascaroon came to the rescue. He appeared before the confused Zebalgas and revealed to them that Hyne's half-body was corrupt and possessed no real power. The body-half was actually Hyne's castoff skin. The Zebalgas were angered by this truth, and decided to destroy Hyne. The Zebalgas never found Hyne. People began to call him "Hyne the Magician" and continued to hunt him for centuries to come.


And that is the Legend of Vascaroon. I know it seems kinda hokey, but I just put here what I saw people. I hope this helps.

It is more or less as the info on Hyne I posted earlier. As for the war, it can be easily linked to FF X-2 of the different factions fighting with each other as the ruler of Spira. As for Vascaroon is mostly our heroines in FFX-2 who came to tell them how meaningless is to fight.

Btw, I feel pretty pointless of the "Legend of Vascaroon" as it didn't held any purposes in my theory. My theory is Hyne = Yevon and the second part of the story Hyne didn't play any role and it is mainly about internal dispute about the people.

Look at the first info I post on Hyne, it revealed most stuff about Hyne and didn't talk about unimportant or non theory related stuff like Vascaroon or Zebalga which didn't play any significant role in my theory.

[Christmas]

Sorry if I double posted but I feel like this should be in a different post as it is a totally seperated issue from my previous post and also not to confuse others.

I went through the whole thread clearly and came up with some unanswered questions from myself and others. Pls try to answer them with concrete proof and logical explaination.


In the beggining of the game Ellone tries to find her lover Squall.She wanna to see shooting stars with him at the flower field

How do you know that?


And no,Rinoa´s appearance is not equal to Ellone´s

This is what was stated earlier.


What I am saying is that if you look at each splitting (without considering the clothes) you will see they are equal to the picture of Ellone. It´s not only the "short hair".Everything is equal

This is what was stated later. Now you say Rinoa's appearance is equal to Ellone. Please explain.



Grr, for goodness sakes! It isn't a desert becasue there is no sand, right, just cracked ground? But what we also have to remember is that time compression is still around, so it could just be a random place conjoured up by the last magic that exploded with Ultimecia. Personally, i think it just looks like the dried up dead looking flower field Agree completely.It was burned by Galbadian Soldiers, flooded by water,suffer ice catastrophes and used by ancient Estharians to construct a small village.

Where do you get the idea that is was burned by Galbadian and suffered so much crap and finally some Estharians came along to build a small village?


One can see that "Machine Ellone" was created to IMITATE Rinoa.

This make "sense" since you say Rinoa is real ellone so Junction machine Ellone is used to imitate Rinoa but it was in game it imitate her POWER and not....


the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.

But since Dr Odine make the machine he didn't state his machine can do this and also if he is the creator of the machine, it make no sense that he can't recognize his own creation.


Basically after the real Ellone get to the White Seed ship somehow a battle begins and Elle was taken hostage by Galbadia.Edea was at the ship and (already possessed) manage to give Ellone to Galbadia.
She was adopted by Caraway who changed her name to Rinoa.

Edea is the one that send Ellone to the ship and after the battle that you claim she give her to Galbadia? So why didn't she give her to Galbadia straightaway instead of sending her to a ship?


General Caraway is in fact a monster(maybe gerogero) who change it´s appearance after being possessed.

How do you get this idea? And so "X"(YEVON/HYNE) possessed Edea and Caraway at the same time?


The general somehow obtained the machine and give it to the White Seed in Ellone´s place.

What do you mean by somehow? Dr Odine created the machine and it is in Esthar. And also, what make you think the White SeeD will believe that the general who took away Ellone the first time now give her back just like that? Dun you think the White SeeD will suspect something?


But Watt´s and Zone managed to free Rinoa.

Why will two random person pop up in the General's mansion and free Rinoa?


Fishermans Horizon-The sorceress wanna to scare the citizens so that they hate you and you are forced to leave the city.That way she prevents you to reach the future and at the same time she keeps the citizens in complete ignorance about what happens in the outside world.

What have reaching the future got to do with Fisherman Horizon?


The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep

Is a hotel only place in the world you can sleep? How about a nice comfy bench?
Is there proof to prove no one can't sleep in Balamb during that time?


However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma

How do you know they see the flower field and grandma thingy when you dun understand?


Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill

You say Caraway caught Ellone/Rinoa in the White SeeD ship earlier and now you say Rinoa meet Caraway at childhood? So if he already capture Rinoa before the White SeeD ship incident why did he release her to Winhill only to recapture her again?

IMPT NOTE: Ellone is first at Winhill then to orphanage then to the White SeeD ship.


Meanwhile Caraway buried Julia´s body in Dingo desert

Why Dingo desert? not anywhere else?


Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).

Why did they suck her and what soft of magic can bring someone to life? Why didn't anyone use it to bring Raine or the Unknown King to life or the president himself back to life?


I personally believe they all were Shumi´s which evolved to monsters and then to these characters

Is this just a personal comments or you have a some backing behind this theory? if not, pls dun confuse others with this kind of comments.


Edea ,Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie were sorceresses.This means they were female Propagators
(the True origin and nature of Sorceress).
Seifer,Squall,Zell and Irvine were True Knights.This means they were male Propagators(the True origin and nature of True Knights).
Ulti=Edea is a propagator and can possess propagators

Why are they propagator? (And why aren't they PuPu instead? he is so CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!)

You also stated that the characters evolve from Shumi and now they are propagator? So Shumi evolve into propagator? It doesn't make sense. Pls kindly explain.

I will continue on with his other thread next time. ;)

[bipper]

Well Furutre - i think you are making great progress here. It is a great theory and one that should be explored. I see you are taking a ton of heat and people may be disproving some things but then you try to like it back into the theory. That is awsome work imo. Sure it is just a theory, but imo ripping apart the game and every little detail only makes it greater.

I commend you on a job well done - granted it was hard to take in with all the rude posts and such, but you nearly kept your cool and got it all out. I would persoanlly like to hear of this X person (forgive me if you did reveail it).

I am glad to see that this Final Fantasy actually made us think more.
I do have to admit that the theory does have merit, and you have nearly sold me on it as being a plausable theory.

Before i get heat for saying that, let me jsut remind you that small minute details in a game, often say more than naming and enemy Bad Guy. These details are part of what brings the game to life and make us think. Final Fantasy VIII was very enjoyable and i think it left a lot more room for the imagination than did other final fantasies.

I do stick merit into the fact that the girls may have been sorceresses. Its not like square to make a huge deal over the heros all being friends when they grew up. That is just lazy and very sitcom - not final fantasy. There had to me a lot more to it than that.

Keep up the good work! And thanks to all posters for letting me observe your behaviors! so i know what to expect from whom ;)

Bipper GOES!

[crazybayman]

I commend you on a job well done
You have got to be kidding me.

Yes, he has guts, but none of his theories in this thread make sense. At all. I'm not being rude, just honest.

[Sword]

I don't know what everyone is talking about now, but this is about the first couple of posts. In the opening FMV when it shows the different places (starting with a beach and ending at the flower field), on the way there, it shows that dry ground that squall is on at the end. Just thought I'd point that out, so make of it what you will. And if this has already been said.....well.....I don't have time to read every post.

[Future Esthar]

Maaaaany thanks,Bipper.It´s good to know someone hear me out with open minds.
Those are always looking for proofs like that´s really possible in this game(Which isn´t.One can not even proof Laguna and Raine were Squall´s fathers nor R=U).


Before i get heat for saying that, let me jsut remind you that small minute details in a game, often say more than naming and enemy Bad Guy. These details are part of what brings the game to life and make us think. Final Fantasy VIII was very enjoyable and i think it left a lot more room for the imagination than did other final fantasies.

I do stick merit into the fact that the girls may have been sorceresses. Its not like square to make a huge deal over the heros all being friends when they grew up. That is just lazy and very sitcom - not final fantasy. There had to me a lot more to it than that.

That´s why this is my preferred game.Even though the story of FF7 seems better than 8´s at first glance when we think about it deep we will find secret´s about it´s storyline that show 8 is better.
Of course I know one cannot debate people´s preferences.Everyone is free.


I would persoanlly like to hear of this X person (forgive me if you did reveail it).

I granted you will be the first.
As you said,minute details are better than other things to find evidence for theories.
One can tell who is X by looking at a very single detail about him.A little detail no one noticed yet.Just looking at this denounce the person.
I will show it to you through a series of images.You will have to guess.
I am gonna play the game now to make them.
Had no patience to discuss Unknows posts now.
Maybe tomorrow(or later at night).

[Squall of SeeD]

One can not even proof Laguna and Raine were Squall´s fathers...

Yes, we kind of can. It's called "Assuming the writer knew what he was doing when he wrote the story."


By the way, does anyone else find it a little... oh, I don't know... suspicious... that this "Bipper" person has a join date of yesterday... and is obviously not someone that is paying attention to the story of the game, either?

I don't know... I've got to say it's a little suspicious. Not that I'm hinting at anything. Obviously not.

[Future Esthar]

You can read posts even before you register.At least he knows about the sorceress girls thingy.


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Originally Posted by The Anarchy Angel :
Grr, for goodness sakes! It isn't a desert becasue there is no sand, right, just cracked ground? But what we also have to remember is that time compression is still around, so it could just be a random place conjoured up by the last magic that exploded with Ultimecia. Personally, i think it just looks like the dried up dead looking flower field
Agree completely.It was burned by Galbadian Soldiers, flooded by water,suffer ice catastrophes and used by ancient Estharians to construct a small village.


Where do you get the idea that is was burned by Galbadian and suffered so much crap and finally some Estharians came along to build a small village?

This theory is based on another theory of mine which is based on another theory.
You have to be patient to see how my theories were linked between them.I will prove strong theories with weak theories.Eventually you will understand this one.


the machine was created to imitate even her physical appearance.It was transformed at her image to deceive and confuse people.Not even Doc Odine recognizes it.


But since Dr Odine make the machine he didn't state his machine can do this and also if he is the creator of the machine, it make no sense that he can't recognize his own creation.

It was Caraway who changed the machine´s appearance to look like Ellone.


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Basically after the real Ellone get to the White Seed ship somehow a battle begins and Elle was taken hostage by Galbadia.Edea was at the ship and (already possessed) manage to give Ellone to Galbadia.
She was adopted by Caraway who changed her name to Rinoa.


Edea is the one that send Ellone to the ship and after the battle that you claim she give her to Galbadia? So why didn't she give her to Galbadia straightaway instead of sending her to a ship?


As you heard Edea and Caraway were both possessed by X.
Edea just guided the ship and that way she were able to perform her plans.X wanna to deliver Elle to Caraway without people knowing Edea was possessed.Hence the plan.
Galbadians had the tecnology to made the locking sealing room at Caraways mansion and to change JME´s appearance .Edea not.



The general somehow obtained the machine and give it to the White Seed in Ellone´s place.


What do you mean by somehow? Dr Odine created the machine and it is in Esthar. And also, what make you think the White SeeD will believe that the general who took away Ellone the first time now give her back just like that? Dun you think the White SeeD will suspect something?


The general don´t give it.He places ME in Ellone´s place to confuse them when they save her.
It´s like if Bowser creates a machine that imitates Daisy´s appearance and hides the true one somewhere on the castle.When Super Mario goes to SAVE her he will SAVE a machine without knowing it(And Daisy will still be arrested after that).


But Watt´s and Zone managed to free Rinoa.


Why will two random person pop up in the General's mansion and free Rinoa?

Let me help you to guess.
The Watts and Zone we see in the game were not the true ones.
After Watt´s and Zone´s fathers died they were adopted by the woman who lives near Timber maniacs.These guys then tooked their place.This undercover can not be break.They knows Deling´s real plans unlike Zone and Watt´s fathers.But their true identity can not be revealed to Deling.That would be very bad.
So,who were they?

Hint1:Zone has pains on his stomach too much times isn´t ?I really believe this is used to undercover another deficiency of him.
Hint2:Zone dresses blue.Watts dresses a bandage on his head.
Hint3:They imitate Galbadian Soldiers too well don´t they?The Galbadians can´t really tell the difference.
Hint4:Who do you think would risk his life to save Ellone?
(this one answers your question).


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
The sorceress orders Raijin and Fujin to stay at the hotel.That way,the sorceress prevents Elone from sending the conscience of the citizens to the "orphanage" time.She also order the soldiers to knock out people if they sleep


Is a hotel only place in the world you can sleep? How about a nice comfy bench?
Is there proof to prove no one can't sleep in Balamb during that time?
I had to research more about this.
I believe the sorceress don´t wanna people to see the orphanage time.
But maybe she is just worried with events happening on the bedroom or the "main" room of Edea´s house.She is not worried with events that happened at the beach or the flower field.
And maybe X knows Ellone would perform her ability at middle day when no one sleeps.
And neither the sorceress nor Raijin nor Fujin nor Seifer knows that Squall and company would be able to enter the city.They weren´t supposed to.She plans not to let them in.And how can she guess that Zell would purposely go to his room to sleep.I really believe Zell knows about the sorceress true plan and purposedly go to his room to rest.It was unpredictable because she knows Zell would never do that.His room is sacred to him and he don´t wanna you in.


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
However Ellone somehow(I don´t understand how up to this day) enable the soldiers at the station to the past.One of them see the flower field and the other was in the body of his grandma


How do you know they see the flower field and grandma thingy when you dun understand?

It appears on the game.


How do you know they see the flower field and grandma thingy when you dun understand?


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Rinoa meets Caraway at her childhood.
But Caraway "Killed" Julia and sent Elle to Winhill


You say Caraway caught Ellone/Rinoa in the White SeeD ship earlier and now you say Rinoa meet Caraway at childhood? So if he already capture Rinoa before the White SeeD ship incident why did he release her to Winhill only to recapture her again?

IMPT NOTE: Ellone is first at Winhill then to orphanage then to the White SeeD ship.

It goes like this:
Julia marries Caraway and he takes care of Ellone along with Julia.
Caraway "kills" Julia and sent Ellone to Winhill.
READ THIS:
X needs Odine´s genius brain to research Ellone´s mind.He is the one who knows more about these things.
So X possess Adel to go to Winhill to look for Ellone.
To easy Adel´s task,X possess a monster which becomes General Caraway.This monster is interested in Ellone so he approaches Julia.X also wanna to transform Julia into sorceress Edea.That´s about it.
Laguna saves Elle and sent her to the orphanage(Sorceress Edea goes there meanwhile).
Elle is sent to a ship due to her powers.
Edea guides this Ship.
Then the Galb´s take Elle hostage.
Elle meets with Caraway again and is locked in his house long time.
Since Odine had already researched her X only needs to seal her powers forever.


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Using some sort of mechanism she was sucked into the prision while underground.
Deling bring her to life using some magic and then she became....(try to guess).


Why did they suck her and what soft of magic can bring someone to life? Why didn't anyone use it to bring Raine or the Unknown King to life or the president himself back to life?

Maybe she was not even killed.It was Media manipulation.
She probably was on a sleeping state like Rinoa.
She need to be sent to prision because this is a facility witch has the technology to transform Julia into Edea.


Originally Posted by Future Esthar:
Edea ,Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie were sorceresses.This means they were female Propagators
(the True origin and nature of Sorceress).
Seifer,Squall,Zell and Irvine were True Knights.This means they were male Propagators(the True origin and nature of True Knights).
Ulti=Edea is a propagator and can possess propagators


Why are they propagator? (And why aren't they PuPu instead? he is so CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!)

You also stated that the characters evolve from Shumi and now they are propagator? So Shumi evolve into propagator? It doesn't make sense. Pls kindly explain.

I didn´t said that Shumis evolved to the characters.I said that they evolved to monsters and then to Deling and Caraway.

I argued on another thread that we can see how Edea looks like a Propagator on the 3rd disc.
Also,there were 8 Propagators distributed in 4 pairs.
These characters were 8 and can be distributed on 4 man-women pairs.

[Winter Nights]

Sure it is just a theory, but imo ripping apart the game and every little detail only makes it greater.
Actually, I prefer to enjoy the story as shown.. Obsession does not sound like an enjoyable time to me. Anyway, the point is.. Most of his theory has no merit with the actual details of the game.


By the way, does anyone else find it a little... oh, I don't know... suspicious... that this "Bipper" person has a join date of yesterday... and is obviously not someone that is paying attention to the story of the game, either?

I don't know... I've got to say it's a little suspicious. Not that I'm hinting at anything. Obviously not.
Quoted for.. Hell, it all just seems really off.

[Future Esthar]

How can I made my signature pictures appear little?

[Winter Nights]

Change the size in a picture editting program.. And this has nothing to do with the topic on hand.

[Christmas]

This theory is based on another theory of mine which is based on another theory.
You have to be patient to see how my theories were linked between them.I will prove strong theories with weak theories.Eventually you will understand this one.

What in the world of Yevon, this is not answering, this is just playing with words to show that you have answer but you didn't.



It was Caraway who changed the machine´s appearance to look like Ellone.

From the game, we know that not many can understand Esthar's technology so meaning not many can even understand the use of the machine not to mentioning changing it. And also, the machine is ONLY avaliable in the FUTURE.


It may only be a toy
right now, but in ze time of Ultimecia, it iz an impressive working
machine! Which means there iz a machine which imitates Ellone's power.
It iz I who made ze first model of zat machine. I named ze machine
'Junction Machine Ellone'! It iz a vonderful thing to know that my
invention is used in ze future!



As you heard Edea and Caraway were both possessed by X.
Edea just guided the ship and that way she were able to perform her plans.X wanna to deliver Elle to Caraway without people knowing Edea was possessed.Hence the plan.
Galbadians had the tecnology to made the locking sealing room at Caraways mansion and to change JME´s appearance .Edea not.

Like I say, she can just secretly send her to Caraway, what is the point of making up the White SeeD and the fight?

How in the world do you know Galbadians had the technology when a 3 year old can see that from the game that Esthar is far more advance than Galbadians and since Dr Odine is the one that make the machine, only Odine himself understand the machine. So not any Tom, Dick or Harry can modifiy the machine.





The general don´t give it.He places ME in Ellone´s place to confuse them when they save her.It´s like if Bowser creates a machine that imitates Daisy´s appearance and hides the true one somewhere on the castle.When Super Mario goes to SAVE her he will SAVE a machine without knowing it(And Daisy will still be arrested after that).


You still dun get it? HOW DO CARAWAY OBTAIN THE MACHINE WHEN IT IS IN ESTHAR AND BEING LOCKED IN ODINE LAB? And if Caraway stole it, Dr Odine will have realize it stolen, but why didn't he make a big fuss about it when he was talking about the machine. Also, there is no telling in the game that the machine is stolen so you are just saying this base on your imagination.

White SeeD didn't go SAVE machine Ellone but you say the general GAVE the machine back to white SeeD. So back to the original question, dun you think a person with an average IQ will suspect something fishy?


Let me help you to guess.
The Watts and Zone we see in the game were not the true ones.
After Watt´s and Zone´s fathers died they were adopted by the woman who lives near Timber maniacs.These guys then tooked their place.This undercover can not be break.They knows Deling´s real plans unlike Zone and Watt´s fathers.But their true identity can not be revealed to Deling.That would be very bad.
So,who were they?

How did you get the idea of being adopted by the woman in Timber maniacs? Like I say in my previous posts, Pls explain with CONCERTE PROOF AND LOGICAL EXPLANATION.


Hint1:Zone has pains on his stomach too much times isn´t ?I really believe this is used to undercover another deficiency of him.

And I believe Zone is actually Kefka...PROVE IT!!!!


Hint2:Zone dresses blue.Watts dresses a bandage on his head.

Cyan dress blue and Locke wear a bandage on his head. So, they are RELATED too???


Hint3:They imitate Galbadian Soldiers too well don´t they?The Galbadians can´t really tell the difference.

Anyone can imitate that WELL when almost your WHOLE BODY is covered with armour and no one can see your face and all you have to do is "no sir" and "yes sir". So when Selphie and gang went to the missile base and go undercover as Galbadian Soldiers, didn't they do as well as Zone and Watts? So are you saying those that imitate Galbadian Soldiers are inter-related by the stars in the galaxy?


Hint4:Who do you think would risk his life to save Ellone?
(this one answers your question).

Let me guess, Cloud!!! No,,,Sephiroth...nah...arghhh....this is mind blowing. I know!!!! Kuja!!!!! Kuja wanna take a bride!! And no, they aren't Laguna nor Wards, not by the way you prove in with THAT kind of evidence...and is Laguna only one in the game allow to wear blue and Ward only one that can wear bandage? So later you will be saying whoever that have brown hair is Squall?


I had to research more about this.
I believe the sorceress don´t wanna people to see the orphanage time.
But maybe she is just worried with events happening on the bedroom or the "main" room of Edea´s house.She is not worried with events that happened at the beach or the flower field.
And maybe X knows Ellone would perform her ability at middle day when no one sleeps.
And neither the sorceress nor Raijin nor Fujin nor Seifer knows that Squall and company would be able to enter the city.They weren´t supposed to.She plans not to let them in.And how can she guess that Zell would purposely go to his room to sleep.I really believe Zell knows about the sorceress true plan and purposedly go to his room to rest.It was unpredictable because she knows Zell would never do that.His room is sacred to him and he don´t wanna you in.

You still didn't answer the question but came up with a new question, why do you BELIEVE Zell know Edea's plan? Pls explain with logic and concrete proof.


It appears on the game.

Oh ya? so how do the SOLDIERS SEE THE FLOWER FIELD AND GET INTO THE BODY OF WHOEVER GRANDMA and no i didn't see any soldiers of having image of seeing flower field and get into body of his Grandma.



It goes like this:
Julia marries Caraway and he takes care of Ellone along with Julia.
Caraway "kills" Julia and sent Ellone to Winhill.
READ THIS:
X needs Odine´s genius brain to research Ellone´s mind.He is the one who knows more about these things.
So X possess Adel to go to Winhill to look for Ellone.
To easy Adel´s task,X possess a monster which becomes General Caraway.This monster is interested in Ellone so he approaches Julia.X also wanna to transform Julia into sorceress Edea.That´s about it.
Laguna saves Elle and sent her to the orphanage(Sorceress Edea goes there meanwhile).
Elle is sent to a ship due to her powers.
Edea guides this Ship.
Then the Galb´s take Elle hostage.
Elle meets with Caraway again and is locked in his house long time.
Since Odine had already researched her X only needs to seal her powers forever.

You still didn't quite answer the question, why do Caraway send her to Winhill when he already capture her. And if he send her to Winhill only to capture by Adel, why didn't he just send her to Esthar straight away?



Maybe she was not even killed.It was Media manipulation.
She probably was on a sleeping state like Rinoa.
She need to be sent to prision because this is a facility witch has the technology to transform Julia into Edea.

Now you say she MAYBE isn't killed????? You just keep changing your theory here and there by "I believe" or all this stuff.



I didn´t said that Shumis evolved to the characters.I said that they evolved to monsters and then to Deling and Caraway.

Shumi evolve to monsters so now shumi is a MONSTER. MONSTER cannot evolve, only Shumi evolve. so monster cannot evolve into Deling or Caraway.



I argued on another thread that we can see how Edea looks like a Propagator on the 3rd disc.
Also,there were 8 Propagators distributed in 4 pairs.
These characters were 8 and can be distributed on 4 man-women pairs.


And there is five main character in FF V meaning they are the Power Rangers? I dun see any link of your theory and the 8 propagators. And how do you know they have different sex? Pls Prove it.

And also:

What about the shooting star question?

What about the Rinoa appearance is not Ellone but you later say Rinoa appearance is Ellone?

Also, I have proved that "X" is actually Yevon/Hyne and FF VIII and FFX is inter related unless you have some backings that say it is not. :D

[Future Esthar]

What shooting star question?
Let me explain this.Understand this one for all.
When Rinoa splits into many Rinoas these Rinoas were a younger Rinoa(hair grows you know?).These younger Rinoas looked like Ellone.Clear?
And X is not Hyne.

[Christmas]

In the beggining of the game Ellone tries to find her lover Squall.She wanna to see shooting stars with him at the flower field

This is what you say in one of your posts. So, how do you know that?



Rinoa´s appearance is not equal to Ellone´s

This is what was stated earlier.



What I am saying is that if you look at each splitting (without considering the clothes) you will see they are equal to the picture of Ellone. It´s not only the "short hair".Everything is equal

This is what was stated later. Now you say Rinoa's appearance is equal to Ellone.


Let me explain this.Understand this one for all.
When Rinoa splits into many Rinoas these Rinoas were a younger Rinoa(hair grows you know?).These younger Rinoas looked like Ellone.Clear?

And this is what is stated later on. You say Rinoa's appearance is not Ellone and now you go back on your words. I notice you just keep changing stuff here and there by "I believe" and making riddles.

Here is some little info I got from the game script:




In order for Ultimecia to exist in this time, she must take over
ze body of a sorceress from ze present. But ze machine must have a
limit. Ultimecia probably needs to go back further in time to achieve
time compression. Only Ellone can take her back further into ze past.
Zat iz why she iz desperately seeking her. We must take advantage of
Ellone's power. There are 2 sorceresses in our time. Sorceress Rinoa
and Sorceress Adel. Of ze two, Adel has not awaken yet. Once
regeneration is completed, neither Laguna not I will be safe. Sorceress
Adel is probably in ze process of awakening inside of Lunatic Pandora.
Ultimecia will want to possess Adel

It is clearly stated that Ultimecia can only possess sorceress, so can you explain why since you make the statement(stated below) that Edea which is Ulti try to possess Squall.


Our heros would stay there and (already possessed ) many hundreds of years later they would rule over the Galbadia continent using Timber as their capital.That´s what Edea plans


And if you want to say this...


Ulti=Edea is a propagator and can possess propagators.

I am a human and Xaven(Sorry, if I keep using you as an example but your name is just so easy to remember and come in mind all the time. :D ) is also a human. Does that mean I can possess him?

And in the game it never suggest that Edea is a propagator or anything, you just based in on your own imagination. If you want to back up with the hand theory, you will have to first answer the questions that is post on your other thread. And lastly, what about the others, in what sense do they look like propagator?


Believe-me,Caraway managed to make it look like they had different ages.

You say Caraway do something with the age and now you say...


But weren´t them about the same age?
If this is true and Selphie is at its young,Edea should be at her´s 80´s
And Squall at its 60´s
And Quistis at her 40´s
Or something near that.
To explain this,let´s assume Julia is Edea.And Ulti is Julia(as i posted on another topic)
This means that Edea is...
Then she performs time compression.
But we know there is a time loop there in the end.
I will argue till the end on that topic in which i talk about time compression.
I will argue that TC was not supposed to end,that TC never happened at Lunatic Pandora and the first signal of time compression in Ulti´s time would be a geological catastrophe caused by the Lunar Cry in the continent.
The fact that TC ended was an ilusion from Ultimecia.
That big mess we see in the final battle was not Time Compression.Ulti deceived you well here.What smart she is.
Since the world of FF8 was already compressed it´s easy to see how do they have the same age.
Ulti even manipulated her own life in Galbadia (different state of present?)

TIME COMPRESSION is the culprit. So what is there to do with Caraway?

And how do you prove X is not Hyne/Yevon?
Some points to add, do you notice that when Griever is defeated, he got turned into a small black ball which is pretty similar to Yu Yevon when he go around possessing Aeons. Yevon is just using the same trick again.

Finally, the name is UNKNOWNS and not UNKNOWS. I am taking this seriously. :mad2:

[Dragonheart]

At the Final FMV what if when Rinoa finds Squall he is dead, then she would live in greif and insanity.Think of the similarities and opposites rinoa in the beginning is seen in a flurry of white flowers and is seen with white wings(a.k.a. angel wings) yet ultimecia too hass wings(a.k.a. hell's angel wings) that are black the hair is the same the appearance is way different except the eyes. think of adel she wasn't born like that she was possesed by an earlier sorceress or sorcerer like Hyne quote" Sorceress Rinoa...Hyne's descendent" she was torn bye insanity and changed, bodie and mind.............Just think about the possibilities then you'll understand

Rinoa is the child of Julia and Caraway they named that child Rinoa
Ellone was born before Caraway and Julia married
no offense but pay atention tho the third dream sequence and ask Kiros all options

Don't double post, please. --foa

[crazybayman]

Seriously. I think Future must take a few "Purple Butterfly" pills before he sits down to play FFVIII.

Hence, he hallucinates, and comes up with all these baseless, moronic theories.

That's my theory.

[bipper]

Yep, thats right - I was created only yesterday and there for have no idea about anything to do with final fantasy. -_- Seriously, I was just looking around for info on final fantasy and stumbled here. Joined up - and I am pleased to say that i really do like it here - sorry if that bugs anyone :)

Anyways, What i was commending Furture on was a well done job at sticking to what he belives. Working his theories around other peoples theories and facts. In a game like this where so many different things are happening, and so many creative minds are working on it - I cannot belive that the game has anyone ending. Sure we all see the same images, but its how we precive them that counts. Mabey it was all a dream of clouds? Prehapse Cid is more than he appears - how will we ever know all people can post is biased complaints, and such. I admit i may have missed a post or two while I was skimming, but most of the rebuttles seemed like garbage to me - no real offence is intended here.

To all those who just bicker and point to me it seems like those who said the world was flat. There is always somthing going on behind the scenes, good games are not made lightly. How the authors and artists depicted the game is not always what we see. Symbolism is always obscured when a game goes from one crew to another - I have been working on my own projects which evolve with other's creative input.

Simply being a smart ass and Saying that both Cloud and Squall have abnormal swords so they must be the same person - really doesn't do much but add heat to a simple debate. The ability to open our minds and express intelligence and interpetations are two very important human gifts. (Both intelligence and interpetations are very different mind you)

I really do enjoy this theory as a lot of it seems to click. I appreciate Futures post because it is giving me the motivation to take a second look at a game that I thought was so simple. Square did too good of a job on this game (IMO) where they blended so much symbolism and allowed your mind to ride along with a very simple story. It really brought the game from the Movie style of FFVII to a more subjective video game that allows for people whom like diging - to dig :)

Bipper GOEs

[liamo]

who actually lets these people post these baseless utterly crap theories. why can't you make up your mind future? not to long ago i think you were on about julia been ultimicia based on the fact that there was a piano in her castle... your theories are something like what one of those stereo typical people living on the streets come up with about the goverment or aliens or whatever... and i was just playing final fantasy 8 myself yesterday and i was at the part where rinoa is in space when ultimicia posses her there is no ellone there and its just an effect of showing rinoa in a disjointed way

[Squall of SeeD]

Yep, thats right - I was created only yesterday and there for have no idea about anything to do with final fantasy. -_-

You completely missed the point. In any event, I apologize for suggesting you were a mule account of our resident conspiracy theorist.



Anyways, What i was commending Furture on was a well done job at sticking to what he belives. Working his theories around other peoples theories and facts.

You don't "work around" facts. They're impenetrable walls of God-reinforced Adamantium.



In a game like this where so many different things are happening, and so many creative minds are working on it - I cannot belive that the game has anyone ending. Sure we all see the same images, but its how we precive them that counts. Mabey it was all a dream of clouds? Prehapse Cid is more than he appears - how will we ever know all people can post is biased complaints, and such. I admit i may have missed a post or two while I was skimming, but most of the rebuttles seemed like garbage to me - no real offence is intended here.

To all those who just bicker and point to me it seems like those who said the world was flat. There is always somthing going on behind the scenes, good games are not made lightly. How the authors and artists depicted the game is not always what we see. Symbolism is always obscured when a game goes from one crew to another - I have been working on my own projects which evolve with other's creative input.

What you're failing to acknowledge here is that the story of the game is a written work. It had a human creator. A creator with an idea. An intent. And they created this story based on that and used the story itself to convey that intent. That's what writers do.

When symbolism is in play, the writer conveys that by using an aspect of that symbolism to get the intent across, whether it's just a name, or a theme, or an event incorporated into the storyline.

VIII works with a good bit of Christian religious symbolism. Rinoa represents that which is good and so she has an Angel theme (her big white feathery wings, her ultimate weapon, Shooting Star, the wing design on the back of her outfit, her Angel Wing limit break, etc.). Ultimecia represents that which is evil, and so has a dark Angel theme (black spiny wings, an attack called "Hell's Judgement," etc.).

Seifer and Squall also play into the symbolism. One of them wears a lightly-colored coat brimmed with darker shades at the collar and within, while the other wears a dark coat brimmed with white at the collar.

Further, Seifer wears crosses on the sleeves of his coat, just as the Teutonic Knights wore crosses on their mantles. Further still, his name is of German origin, as were the Knights.



Simply being a smart ass and Saying that both Cloud and Squall have abnormal swords so they must be the same person - really doesn't do much but add heat to a simple debate.

You do realize that what you just said is pretty much entirely what Future's been doing this entire time? Look at the "Rinoa splitting into Ellone" thing. "They both have dark hair, they're both girls, and when those translucent doubles of Rinoa appear, it's hard to see the full length of her hair, making it look shorter like Ellone's, so they must be the same person."



I really do enjoy this theory as a lot of it seems to click.

How? It requires ignoring everything that the game outright tells and/or shows to us and requires assuming that the writer failed to convey his intent on every level.

[Christmas]

admit i may have missed a post or two while I was skimming, but most of the rebuttles seemed like garbage to me - no real offence is intended here.

You certainly missed more than a post or two to give this statement...


There is always somthing going on behind the scenes

Maybe there is just too much of a something going on behind the scenes from his theory.


I appreciate Futures post because it is giving me the motivation to take a second look at a game that I thought was so simple

You need more than a second look, I am quite certain....

[bipper]

Yes it all does seem strange I admit. I can't say that I can stand here and belive everything that he is saying 100%. But it is his theory.

Nothing is wrong with that - bottom line.

Sorry here for my lack of knowing how to quote correctly - i will work on this when i dont feel like i will get "fried" for making a mistake...

Mr Squall said:


You don't "work around" facts. They're impenetrable walls of God-reinforced Adamantium


Well here we go with what i have been saying all along. We don't know the facts. What we know is what we were told - that is fact so far. But it was once a fact that the world was flat. It was once a fact that the solar system rotated around the earth. This is because people just went with what they heard.

From what I have seen here was people finding a whole in Future's theory - Ok so the Earth isn't a perfect sphere... Well?

Future is merely walking beyond what he knows and his exploring other possibilites. While I do admit it to be a little gullish of him to title the forum (Wonder how people didn´t notice this.)

Sure he gets defensive here too - can ya blame the guy. When everyone jumps down his throat over posting theories.

I know certain people don't like em and yadda dah - well - then don't post. If you have no intrest your not gonna give it a chance. See, I even take a step and commend him for sticking with a theory and seeing how it could work - and now i am getting the same raction. /shrug

IMO this is the reason i would never post on forums before now. I am sure you seen one thing in the game. Hell so many people swear that squall and seifer are gay - whatever floats your rainboat i guess. I am not gonna jump out and call the guy an idiot and anyother words i can remember from the third grade. thus the theory of open mindedness.

I can tell you straight up that I have some buddies who are like that - you explain the significance of speroths name corralating with the galaxy and such and they tell you your full of bull.

Bottom line is i dont expect everyone to aggree - then the world would still be flat. I just want to see some open minded posts and such.

The post by unkowns saying that prehaps there is too much going on behind the scenese is just the small non sence post that is not backed up that i have been talking about. Personally, I would like to see some facts and evidence backing up your rebuttle besides nah nah nah boo boo.... That whole last post got nothing accomplished besides some minor bickering at me. I guess I must of offended you too by having an opinion. The world is a small place with minimal facts.

Mr Squall, I did very much appreciate your post :) You supported your last ideal very well. However, I would just like to add is that the story that gets burned on the gold cd - is not all the writer's story. I just know this from working on a couple old school muds, and a current game that there is a _TON_ of additions and deltions going on all the time.

Prehapse there was a scene in the story where the author wanted to develope the characters past even more and connect some of these dots - but it never made it bacause of all the work that would be entailed or because they wanted us to have somthing to play with.

From what I hear - square loves the fan base to talk about these things, and to dig into the game. IT creates Fanficts and generates a whole sub culture of creativity off of one game. I dunno bout you but if i ever inspire that kind of game - i would be infinately happier than with a game with a decent storyline, graphix, etc.

Also what i was replying to before - was when people were saying that Seifer and Squall had blonde hair so they are related - that was not even remotley ment in a productive light - it was a stab at the fact that Future's theory has to do with the spit Rinoas. If you do look too, it does seem that different sprites are used and its nto pixel shaded/filtered - but i can only specualate as i have never seen the game on a development level.

See somthing like that a designer would do and see what he means, then we see it and we are like wow - multiple Rinoa's. Even when you look at the clothes that squall wears vs seifer. The hero wears black while the villan wears white wit a cross none the less /shrug i dunno where to go with that, but i am sure it was discussed or thought up and did not just happen with the assumption that it would not be noticed.

Woe - alright well I am gonna go nurse the carpel tunnel and head out..

Lates,
Bipper GOEs

[Winter Nights]

Well here we go with what i have been saying all along. We don't know the facts. What we know is what we were told - that is fact so far. But it was once a fact that the world was flat. It was once a fact that the solar system rotated around the earth. This is because people just went with what they heard.

Lemme get this straight.. We should hear out and accept Future's theories, despite what is stated to be fact in the game, because what is stated may be false?? What the smurf? That negates paying attention to the story at all, if it's all really a facade. And despite what the original writer wanted.. The final project is the story. That's like stating all deleted scenes from a movie are still part of the story. Somewhere along the line of creation, someone didn't like something and it got yanked. It no longer exists for the story, unless they decide to make a Final Fantasy VIII: The Director's Cut. And even in that case, it only exists for that version of the story.

Theories are fine and dandy, as long as they have some valid proof or at least fit with the stated story. Future's theory can't do either.

[matt89]

How has this thread lasted this long?

[Winter Nights]

Because Future keeps insisting his theories have some merit and Unknown keeps proving them wrong. It's basically become an endless cycle.

[Future Esthar]

I don´t have proofs but they fit with the story.
Good post bipper.
Unknowns,you act like i should take a microscope or a glass amplifier to the game to EXACTLY proof things.
But that´s impossible.This is not real world.This is a game.No one can find a knife in the game and then see if Caraways digital prints were there and analyse the blood sample in the knife to see if it was Julia´s blood(using all the necessary techniques of course).That can not be made on a game.We can just think on the best possibility for a theory basing on script,events and the most important,GRAPHICAL DETAILS.
Of course I know you hate when people uses GRAPHICAL DETAILS to back up theories.You tend to believe more on scripts and main events.

[Winter Nights]

Graphical details for a game that had crappy graphics doesn't say a whole lot. And god forbid we use details like actual events in the game script to prove that your theories have little to no merit in the actual story.

[Future Esthar]

Whaaaaaaaat?I always thought the graphics of FF8 were the best.

[Xaven]

You say your theories fit into the story. They don't. They contradict the story immensely.

Edit:

Whaaaaaaaat?I always thought the graphics of FF8 were the best.

Are you stupid or something? Do you even know what FFIX, and a PS2 are?

[Future Esthar]

Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.

[Winter Nights]

Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.
The FMVs are completely awesome, but the in game screens are quite crappy.

[Xaven]

Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.
The FMVs are completely awesome, but the in game screens are VERY quite crappy.

I fixed it! Go me! :)

Relying on FFVIII's not-so-perfect graphics to back your theories up probably isn't the best idea.

[Christmas]

Personally, I would like to see some facts and evidence backing up your rebuttle besides nah nah nah boo boo....
That whole last post got nothing accomplished besides some minor bickering at me. I guess I must of offended you too by having an opinion. The world is a small place with minimal facts.

And the last post is not certainly directed to start a fight with you. It was meant for you to really take a good look at the whole theory and to be fair to other posters that rebuttle. Having an different opinion and face my wrath is never my intention around here or else I will have rebuttled on your first post.

I never believe you were a mule account of Esthar's because I read your other post concering Sephiroth and Kefka in the FF VI/General FF section which make sense and you took time to research on all those.

I researched on Esthar's theories clearly,went to see all his previous posts to get to know more about his theories,went through the game to take a few more "looks" and go through several game related infomations so as to clearly list out the points that doesn't seem right in Esthar's theories.

I just want you take a clearer look at the whole thread of what the other posters post. Look, I did homework before I "nah nah nah boo boo boo" here. If I offended you anyhow, I apologize. :cry:


Unknowns,you act like i should take a microscope or a glass amplifier to the game to EXACTLY proof things

This is what you say to me about the camera thing in the parade...(below)


It doesn´t matter,you don´t have proofs.End point.

You were the one that want detailed proofs and now you are just going back on your words...


Of course I know you hate when people uses GRAPHICAL DETAILS to back up theories.You tend to believe more on scripts and main events.

I dun hate people using Graphical Details to back up the theories but pls back in with concrete proof like that Ellone split thingy. Up till now, who agree with that?

Those are reference of what is actually going on in the games, using them as a guideline, what is wrong?

[Xaven]

I dun hate people using Graphical Details to back up the theories but pls back in with concrete proof like that Ellone split thingy. Up till now, who agree with that?

Those are reference of what is actually going on in the games, using them as a guideline, what is wrong?

Yes, exactly that. These video games could be compared to a book with pictures. Basing stuff on the pictures alone isn't too reliable as the artist and author may have different views on the story. We rely on dialouge and the actions of characters rather than soley graphical detail. Your theories are changing the story not by using the actual plot portrayed by the game, but by drawing up random ideas from trivial things like how a character may look at a certain point. The graphics in this game have many flaws, like characters passing though each other, Irvine's jacket when climbing ladders, and all sorts of things that literally don't matter. I could just as easily say that all of the characters are merely dreams of Ellone or someone because "Look at the way they pass though each other! FFVIII was supposed to have such unriveled graphics for a reason, right? Wonder how people didn`t notice this." Guess what. Rinoa's hair appearing to be shorter when the game splits her image for effect is just an error. Like I said, FFVIII's graphics have many errors and this is just one of them.

Also, stop saying that you don't need any proof to back up your theories. If you don't find some, why should we believe them? Don't say that they're right because they seem to fit. Well guess what. They don't fit. They directly contradict what the game is telling us/you. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. Just because it looks like the piece will fit doesn't mean it will. So, again, stop saying that your theory (theories?) actually makes sense and fits perfectly with the story, because I have read them, and they don't.

[bipper]

With square - they have always done such a great job working the graphics into the story and collaberating to make a master peice. Tjere fpor the graphix are just as important as the script. The game did not have crappy graphics by any measure. For what the PSX could do, the game pushed the envelope. The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting - but that is purly subjective.

I am reading through the whole forum again now - before i do - let me say i do belive two things (that COULD be)

1: The girls could all be sorceresses and guys thier knights
2: Rinoa and Ellone definatley have some connection - call it strange but I am seeing it in the pics that future put up. The have to be different sprites and not simply traced and transparently shaded.

/shrug those really caught my attention and got me into the thread.

Like i said earlier - Square is not about to give the warriors a deep past - just to say that they grew up together :( way to sitcom. The is IMO as well as who knows - mabey it was rushed and they did that. But its my opinion which would make it a fine fact to me to use in my theories for fun! :)

One thing is forsure - this funness made me take out my old version of 8 so we can all pat our selves on the back since we accomplished somthing good out of it all :)

Whelp lates again,

Bipper GOEts?

[Winter Nights]

With square - they have always done such a great job working the graphics into the story and collaberating to make a master peice. Tjere fpor the graphix are just as important as the script. The game did not have crappy graphics by any measure. For what the PSX could do, the game pushed the envelope. The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting - but that is purly subjective.
When has the graphics been worked into the story? :erm: The graphics are nice and pretty, but they've never contributed to the script.

And I'm sorry, but did you just say that the in-game scenes pushed the envelope? How do you figure? Certainly the FMVs did, but the in-game scenes were crappy, even by the standards of the day. Hell, the backgrounds in FF7 looked better. And the characters.. Can we say "overpixelated"?

[bipper]

When has the graphics been worked into the story? The graphics are nice and pretty, but they've never contributed to the script.

Oh ok, so I may have been vague on that. When the company tells you that character a and b are in "love" but wont admit it - would it be as cool for the main character just to say " Wow.. they are in love but the will not admit it! HA HA!". Nope - you graphically represent it in different ways. (Hell remember the question mark bubbles, and such from 6?) In that way the graphics do contribute to the script as we interpet it.

AND

Prehapse whole all of the areas were being built, they decided that Esthar should be located in a barrent type area instead of a jungle or w/e.

AND

When square may want to hint at somthing they can use graphical symbolism and just hope that someone might catch on - then get ripped appart on the boards! See square really like laughing at people like future Esthar because he is not affraid to dig - but he will get blasted for it!? The irony of it all.

And yes the online graphics did push the envalope. Over pixeled - entirely correct but you are not seeing over pixulated images - that is why i said this :


The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting

What you are seeing is the result of shaders and filters being processed to the sprite image. This is what made it so graphically appealing. The sprite was so Dynamic and could fit into any enviroment. sure final fantasy IX was remastered and better, but hey- it takes a few tries to get "Hello world!" To look good sometimes. (programming joke - he he snort snort)

In the dymanticity of sprites and everything but the world map - ffVIII was very suppirior to anything before its time... sept mabey donkey kong - you just cant beat the king -_-

Bipper GOeS

[liamo]

graphics only show a small representation of facts its the story themselves that you need to pay attention to if you spend your time going oooooh pretty everytime you see something new and not pay attention to what they are saying then you miss many many things like future did maybe thats why he keeps coming up with these things

[Xaven]

In reply to Bipper, (also addressing Future Esthar)

Okay, so what are you trying to say? That Square worked really hard to make the graphics very detailed? Does that mean they did not make mistakes? Does that mean that the ability for characters to pass through each other was intentional because Square worked so hard on making it realistic? If anything, that just helps support my "theory" in my other post. Squall and friends are obviously all just dreams of Ellone or someone. I mean, Square made it SOOO realistic for a reason, right? I thought so. Graphics are for looks and appeal.

Oh, and by the way, the question mark bubbles in FFVI were actions by the characters, not mere graphical details. Graphical details are how someone/thing looks, not what they do and how they act.

Also, if this really is the true intended story of FFVIII, why has nobody except Future Esthar actually figured it out? If FE's theories really are the true story of FFVIII, why didn't Square say so? Why did Square tell us the opposite of what FE is? If Square really did want this to be the true story of FFVIII, they wouldn't have made clues so utterly random and minute that only one person has actually been able to see them. How can you believe something that, again, directly contradicts what the story is telling us?

"Hello, my name is Mary."
"No, your name is obviously Hlymsr, because that's what you get when you put every third letter of that sentance into one word! Wonder how people didn`t notice this!"
"What the...? I just said my name is Mary."
"Well, you are obviously hiding something!"

This is comparable to the outrageous nit-picking that FE is doing the storyline of FFVIII.

[bipper]

Wow - yet more pointless rebuttles -
If you want to attack what i am saying then attack what i said. I am simply saying that we need to have an open mind - and TO ME it makes sence.

If that seriously is your theory then grats - i dont buy it and it shouldn't really matter /shrug

Basically we can agree on one thing - the game leads as to assume a few details here and there. When you open up asumptions you open up theries.



"Hello, my name is Mary."
"No, your name is obviously Hlymsr, because that's what you get when you put every third letter of that sentance into one word! Wonder how people didn`t notice this!"
"What the...? I just said my name is Mary."
"Well, you are obviously hiding something!"

This is the kinda crap I was writing about earlier - completely baseless to the forum. Future Esthar has prdouced a few shreds of evidence and tryed to work it all together. Acting like a 5 year old is not getting this anywhere.


Oh, and by the way, the question mark bubbles in FFVI were actions by the characters, not mere graphical details. Graphical details are how someone/thing looks, not what they do and how they act.
Yes, if a character blushes it is and action... if the character blushes it may even point out traits that they are shy, embaraced, or mabey some one in the room let one fly and it stinks ... every action and detail can be explained in different ways. Who cares if they are "Out there"

seeing this :confused: in a post makes you see someone is confused... you see to many :confused: :confused: :confused: then you begin to know that the person just might not get it.. you see a final fantasy char do that alot in VI - then you know they are an idiot.

You know this may be the true story or not - who knows - at least he is looking and producing instead of pointing and laughing...

By the way - the satire of you avatar aside - I think it is very suiting Xaven :)

Also no the graphix are not for looks and appeal .. .well they are.. but the are alot more multipurpose than other posts around here...
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Mr. Liamo - I do agree with you that some things said here do neglect tha base storyline. Who really knows - but you can be looking too deep and forget about some bases no dobut. However, looking to deep should not matter - instead of ripping someone arpart, bring it up and mabey they can work with it or mabey it will disprove them.'
I think Unknowns has been fair at doing this till later in the tread, but most other's i have seen post just to... post i think /shrug.

Bipper gOEs!

[Winter Nights]

I like how you ignored his entire post, took a quote out of context and bashed it, then called his entire post a pointless rebuttle. I think what you and Future seem to be missing is that these threads are for discussing things. If we find that your theory doesn't work, we're gonna discuss why we think it doesn't work. You can't start a discussion on something and then state that everyone is attacking you, if they don't see your way. If you want someone to just pat you on the head and tell you how creative you are, without actually giving it a real look over, go show your theories to mommy and daddy. Otherwise, we have the right to call it baseless and nonsensical, then explain why we feel that way.

[bipper]

Yup, I ignore the whole thread -
It's easy enough to the pot calling the kettle black here. Anyways, rain - your the worst of all the posters that has been urking me here.

A: its not my theory, i am just looking at it
B: Read what the hell i am saying - Keep an open mind is my argument and be productive - i HAVE seen a few good rebuttles but i creadit em to unknowns.
c: I never said that you can't speak - i would like to see the bs that doesnt belong here not posted.

What the hell ever though rain - have the damn forum back and post what ever the hell you think is right to post. I could really give a rats ass on here anymore. Putting words in my mouth and telling me where i stand? Nope - I jumped in cause i seen a few valid points--

People like you are the whole reason I never joined a forum.
Now rot in hell i am outta here

EDIT: Now that's not very necessary. If you do come back watch how you conduct yourself. -Murder

[Winter Nights]

Yup, I ignore the whole thread -
It's easy enough to the pot calling the kettle black here. Anyways, rain - your the worst of all the posters that has been urking me here.

A: its not my theory, i am just looking at it
B: Read what the hell i am saying - Keep an open mind is my argument and be productive - i HAVE seen a few good rebuttles but i creadit em to unknowns.
c: I never said that you can't speak - i would like to see the bs that doesnt belong here not posted.

What the hell ever though rain - have the damn forum back and post what ever the hell you think is right to post. I could really give a rats ass on here anymore. Putting words in my mouth and telling me where i stand? Nope - I jumped in cause i seen a few valid points--

People like you are the whole reason I never joined a forum.
Now rot in hell i am outta here
DRAMA!!! :rolleyes2

Anyway.. As I fail to see any recent posts that don't make some sort of rebuttle, I'm still not sure what you are in a huff about. Everyone has been listing why they have a problem with Future's theories and you jump to his "rescue". Great. You find his theories insightful. That doesn't mean the rest of us should suddenly pat him on the back, despite the fact that much of it doesn't make any sense.

He explains why he believes things, we (especially Unknown) point out what we see wrong with it. Excuse me for not having the time to post three page rebuttles, like Unknown. I'm on mostly at work, so my attention isn't completely on EoFF. I just jump in with what I see wrong with it right off and leave it at that.

I'm sorry that you don't like how adamantly people express their opinions, but please.. Getting in a huff and stating that you are leaving a forum because of it is just to get attention.

[Christmas]

[To Bipper]
So, did you actually read what is post by other posters before making all those statements like I advised you to? I think you have roughly did but did you just choose to read a few lines of Xaven's reply then came up with a conclusion of your own?

You know by doing this is not showing respect to Xaven as he did put up the effort to write the entire post. :(

You know I read every single of Future's posts before coming up with a rebuttle/comments/statements. It is to show that I have studied and understand his theories and also a sign of respect to him.

[Future Esthar]

I aprecciate your attention but don´t offend members here bipper.Calm down yourself.
FF8 graphics were good enough to hint at the story.
It´s wonderful how they use the graphical details to give a bunch of hints about the storyline.They are so realistic.
I don´t use graphical details to hint theories at RANDOM.
I thought about them too much and of course I use the game scripts and events to state them.
My theories are the result of many years playing FF8 and I start to get intuition to see the game as a whole.
A theory of mine is also a result of the thoughts I have on many events.
As you saw I backed up the Rinoa=Elle theory with graphical details but also discussed events of FF8 like time compression,Ultimecia´s real plan on the game ,etc.. to show that what really happens on the game requires Rinoa being Ellone.
I am no stupid.I know the save points were not Gardens where hunts study to be a seed.
Nor the switch icons at Ulti´s castle were green materia or special draw points which only exists on the future.
My "graphical theories" were very well thought in the CONTEXT of the game.

It just happens that many things that appears on the script were purposedly the result of the lies of some of the characters of the game.
Sometimes they even manipulates the events of the game to make their lies seem true.
That happens almost any time on FF8.
In fact this is the reason why X looks for Ellone everytime in the game.
Because she can see the past and show people how things really were.
(Something X try to destroy performing Time Compression).This is the same reason for Deling trying to shut down Timber Maniacs.
_
And I appreciate your respect for trying to argue with me Unknowns.

[Christmas]

As you saw I backed up the Rinoa=Elle theory with graphical details but also discussed events of FF8 like time compression,Ultimecia´s real plan on the game ,etc.. to show that what really happens on the game requires Rinoa being Ellone.

Let me quote an example. In a game the main character look like a cat through what was displayed by the graphics in the games to the eyes of the players. The players realized that the main character is a cat.
But the in game scripts and main events say that the main character is a DOG but not a cat. Dun you think it is contradicting since what you SEE dun TALLY with what the game actually suggest? Same apply with your theory. They dun tally and for the graphicial details, I still cannot agree cause I still dun see how Rinoa is Ellone in those pictures and by playing the game myself.


It just happens that many things that appears on the script were purposedly the result of the lies of some of the characters of the game.
Sometimes they even manipulates the events of the game to make their lies seem true.
That happens almost any time on FF8.

Mind quoting an example from the script or something to prove it. Since the script is a lie, what is there left to believe in anyway?


In fact this is the reason why X looks for Ellone everytime in the game.
Because she can see the past and show people how things really were.
(Something X try to destroy performing Time Compression).

The purpose of time compression is to absorb all the powers of the sorceress, past, present, future to one sorceress which mean a tremendous powerful magic wielding being, something like a God, something like Hyne. Try scanning Ultimecia final form and the description will tell you she is absorbing everything to boost her powers and the fact of "X" or whoever is searching for Ellone is she is the only that can perform all this.


And I appreciate your respect for trying to argue with me Unknowns.

Thanks.

Lastly, you still haven't answer a single question that I pointed out earlier that contradicts with your theory.

[crazybayman]

Lastly, you still haven't answer a single question that I pointed out earlier that contradicts with your theory.
Nor mine (which are WAY back earlier in this thread).

[Future Esthar]

Post this questions again please.

[Christmas]

Check Page 6 of this thread. Almost the whole page is full of my unanswered questions....

But what really interest me is this line:


I don´t have proofs but they fit with the story.


and this is what you say about the camera thing in other thread:


It doesn´t matter,you don´t have proofs.End point.

What you say now really contradicts with what you say earlier on dun you think? You say you want proof but now you say there is no need for proofs.

As for crazybayman's question, just give me some time to search this thread...

[Future Esthar]

I was just saying that your opinion and mine were equally probable since none had proofs.I know you can´t really proof that.

[Christmas]

So I admit and go along with your theory of the parade is kept to the Galbadian since I can't prove that.

But what about you, you still insisted and claim that it fit into the story.

Let's just say a lot of other possiblity can just fit into the story.
Like Hyne is Yevon from FFX.

Cloud from FF7 is living in Esthar and have opened up an item shop. The reason he open up a item shop is blah blah.......

Also Ultima Weapon have Cloud's sword. Cloud must have mutated into Ultima Weapon because of the JENOVA's cell in his body and blah blah blah......

See what I mean?

[Future Esthar]

We can´t proof theories.But that is exactly the fun.If we were able to proof theories there would be no fun because it will break the chance for other theories.But as long as there is no proof people can made theories (using reasoning of course) and share them on the Internet.And they will be endless.This is funny since it adds infinite replayability to the game.And this is the objective of games like FF7 and 8.The hidden things on these games weren´t supposed to be proofed but to be hinted by little unimportant events mainly those that do not belongs to the main story but to secondary stories (like the sidequests or Shumi Village story).

[Christmas]

We can´t proof theories.But that is exactly the fun.If we were able to proof theories there would be no fun because it will break the chance for other theories.But as long as there is no proof people can made theories (using reasoning of course) and share them on the Internet.And they will be endless.This is funny since it adds infinite replayability to the game.And this is the objective of games like FF7 and 8.The hidden things on these games weren´t supposed to be proofed but to be hinted by little unimportant events mainly those that do not belongs to the main story but to secondary stories (like the sidequests or Shumi Village story).

Look, we also need some FACTS to SUPPORT the hints and there is no FACTS that support your theory so far and this isn't theory but instead should go into the Fan Fiction section.

So your theory is actually just a side story and not linked with the main storyline?

[Future Esthar]

What is required is that no fact from the game denies the theory.
Up to now no one denies my theories.
And the script things that seem to deny were purposefull lies.
And there is nothing on the game that proofs that the last statement was wrong.
And if it is it must be without any doubt a GRAPHICAL DETAIL.
Words from a person A weren´t enough to spot if a person B is telling the thruth or not since you don´t know if person A is telling the thruth.
Even events can be manipulated to look thruth (this is the purpose of WOTC).
So in the end let GRAPHICAL DETAILS determine the thruth.And you must consider the one´s who seems the less important (the most important ones are so visible that it´s like someone is imposing it to you through manipulation).The less important ones are like the "tail" of the "hiding cat" as in the proverb "Hidden cat with tails showing".
The cat really don´t know that the tail is showing or he would hide it.

[Khaotic]

K, I stopped reading at the 4th page, so I dont know what happened from there, so excuse me if this thread has died and what-not.


However, Futre Esthar, in all honesty, and excuse my fierce emotions, you my friend, are an idiot. I apologize on my behalf for "flaming" him by saying he is an idiot, but I think mostly everyone would agree with me.

[greiver]

land changes over time. he isn't really in a specfic palce. he is going through time compression(decompressoin at the end). he is not really on soil from one place he is just there.and it could still be a desert if it gets no rain.
:tonberry:

[Xaven]

If I were a mod, I'd say, "Don't double post."

But, since I'm me, I say, "Be more specific with your first post and don't be a total jurk to FE."

Also, don't only read the first page before you post like you apparantly did.

Edit:

Oh, it seems someone deleted greiver's second post.

[Christmas]

What is required is that no fact from the game denies the theory.
Up to now no one denies my theories.
And the script things that seem to deny were purposefull lies.
And there is nothing on the game that proofs that the last statement was wrong.

But there is also nothing in the game including facts that support your theory either. And if the script is lies, why do they bother to write this? To make a fool of us gamers?



And if it is it must be without any doubt a GRAPHICAL DETAIL.
Words from a person A weren´t enough to spot if a person B is telling the thruth or not since you don´t know if person A is telling the thruth.
Even events can be manipulated to look thruth (this is the purpose of WOTC).

But we can analysis using the intelligence god given to us to see that if person B is telling the truth by his manner of speaking, the accountability of his character and words,and etc...



So in the end let GRAPHICAL DETAILS determine the thruth.And you must consider the one´s who seems the less important (the most important ones are so visible that it´s like someone is imposing it to you through manipulation).

And your graphical details still haven't show anything yet with no in game screenshots or anything except for your Ellone split thingy which I still cannot agree.


The less important ones are like the "tail" of the "hiding cat" as in the proverb "Hidden cat with tails showing".
The cat really don´t know that the tail is showing or he would hide it.

Look, so when you grab the tails, you will find the hidden cat. But now the situation is like if you grab the tail, you will only find a tail or even worst, a dog instead of a cat.


also agree with khaotic future esthat is an idiot. he is searching too deep into these subjects. his theories on ultimecia are even more farfetched

Look, like stated in some poll that some random lurker came up with, he said "No idiot can come up with all this stuff". And pls refrain from insulting the posters.


If I were a mod, I'd say, "Don't double post."

But, since I'm me, I say, "Be more specific with your first post and don't be a total jurk to FE."

Also, don't only read the first page before you post like you apparantly did.

OFF TOPIC: Man, you took the 200th posts of this thread with this post. I wonder who took the 100th posts...

BTW, I think the poll that concern me and Future is pretty cute. Too bad it got close so fast....

[Khaotic]

If I were a mod, I'd say, "Don't double post."

But, since I'm me, I say, "Be more specific with your first post and don't be a total jurk to FE."

Also, don't only read the first page before you post like you apparantly did.
Umm.. I read to the forth, which is tremendously different than the first page, I learned enough that he wont give up his opinions, and most people were getting frustrated with him, and I apologized already, so I'm technically not being a jerk, a jerk would simply say hes an idiot and thats the end, which I did not do. In this case, he just simply is being one, I mean I can't say it any nicer when its the truth.

And sorry for spam, this will be my last post in this topic because I've already expressed myself.

[Future Esthar]

Since you can´t prove my theories wrong you can´t in any base call me an idiot :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
Thanks,Unknowns and Xaven :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

But there is also nothing in the game including facts that support your theory either. And if the script is lies, why do they bother to write this? To make a fool of us gamers?

It´s not the whole script that lies.It is some characters.


But we can analysis using the intelligence god given to us to see that if person B is telling the truth by his manner of speaking, the accountability of his character and words,and etc...


What do you think I have done?


Look, so when you grab the tails, you will find the hidden cat. But now the situation is like if you grab the tail, you will only find a tail or even worst, a dog instead of a cat.

As I said,theories can not be proofed but hinted.Why do you force me to repeat myself?

Call them fanfictions if you wanna.But they are still explanations of hidden things that I really believe happens on the game.

[Squall of SeeD]

As I said,theories can not be proofed but hinted.Why do you force me to repeat myself?

Call them fanfictions if you wanna.But they are still explanations of hidden things that I really believe happens on the game.

In that case, Future, you've been posting in the wrong section all this time. We have a section for what you're talking about. Let me link you to it:

Arts and Writing, a Forum which encompasses FanFiction and other ideas for stories about this game and others which may simply be the fancy of their writer and cannot be proven (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55).

You've been carrying on FanFiction Threads in this Forum all this time.

[Christmas]

Since you can´t prove my theories wrong you can´t in any base call me an idiot :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
Thanks,Unknowns and Xaven :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

But you cannot prove your theories right either....


It´s not the whole script that lies.It is some characters.

And these some characters that lie result into a complete change of plot in the game and I can also say they didn't lie, ya?


What do you think I have done?

Go analysis the game without just looking at the game graphic itself and pay attention to other stuff. Like the in game dialogue or check out the FF VIII Ultimania Guides like Squall Of SeeD do. Go ask him about stuff about Ultimania Guides.


As I said,theories can not be proofed but hinted.Why do you force me to repeat myself?

Alright, An example.

I called you on a date to the movies. ---> My hint

Your thoughts:

She likes me, how could anyone resist me huh? Even she can resist me, she can't resist my theories!

She just need someone to accompany her to the movies cause she have no friends. What an anti-social freak, what? She is related to Squall? That explains...

She need a bodyguard like me cause Sephiroth might appear and stab her from behind with his masamume while watching the movie.

She know I like the watch this movie, Finding Nemo.

She want someone to paid for her tickets, cheapskate.

And the lists goes on.

One little hint so many answers huh?


Call them fanfictions if you wanna.But they are still explanations of hidden things that I really believe happens on the game.

Believe huh? I will explain this the next time...sleepy...

[Future Esthar]

And these some characters that lie result into a complete change of plot in the game and I can also say they didn't lie, ya?
Exactly.It results in a change of the plot.


Go analysis the game without just looking at the game graphic itself and pay attention to other stuff. Like the in game dialogue or check out the FF VIII Ultimania Guides like Squall Of SeeD do. Go ask him about stuff about Ultimania Guides.

Believe-me,I have playing the game for about 6 years and analysed everything.Events,graphical details and script.
What is this Ultimania guide?

And yes,I know a hint can have different interpretations.But this is exactly the fun.
And when there are MANY different hints the broad of possibilities get narrower.

Let me pay a visit to this Arts and Writing forums.

[crazybayman]

Exactly.It results in a change of the plot.
JE$US F#CKIN' C#RIST! IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE PLOT!!! :mad2:

This is just getting annoying now. The plot of the game WILL NOT change, because of these far-fetched theories only you have recognized, which have NO proof to back them. These little "Theories" of yours, if anything, will just reveal hidden truths, and background information on the characters. (However your theories don't even do that.)

These theories will NOT change the plot. Why would the creators and programmers at Square spend years developing a game, putting so much work into the graphics and script, only for the "True" script to be identified by only one person, who by the sounds of it, is on crack while playing.

Its just not logical. Think about it. Sure, you can read between the lines, and figure out hidden information, which would at best, be minor background information. The fact of the matter is, the MAIN PLOT is one which any 12-year old who plays the game can figure out from the main events. Not some retarded theory that one can extract from their interpretation of graphical inaccuracies and errors.

[Christmas]

Exactly.It results in a change of the plot.

Narrator: Long Long ago in the world of PuPu Tu BaBa, there is an evil called Unknowns terrorizing the world.

Unknowns: Gyahahaha!!! I am the bad big evil ass kicking villian in this story. I am evilier than anything you ever seen in history or you will ever see in the future and I steal away all the toliet papers in the public toliets after using them!!! (I dun mind if you make a Fan club all for me)

Narrator: Then the four warrior of lights rose up against this evil so that everyone will have toliet papers when they visit the public toliets.

Xaven: Hi, I am the fighter here but I can't even lift my own sword.....
Future Esthar: hello there. My black magic is as dangerous as my theories.
Squall of SeeD:..........
Crazybayman: What's his problem, anyway? Btw, I am a monk.

Narrator:The four warriors crossed mountains, sailed over oceans, explored dangerous dungeons, journey through deserts and battling countless evil and they reached Unknowns' lair.

Xaven:I still can't believe we are still only level 1 after all those....and I still can't lift my sword...
Future Esthar: I do have a theory for your question.
Squall of SeeD:...........
Crazybayman:Are you mute or something?

Unknowns: Mwahahahahahaha!!! Warrior of lights, you came at last to save the world of the toliet papers. But you dun stand a chance against me!!! (And I also dun mind giving away my autographs)

Narrator: Unknowns cast a spell and toliet paper started falling from the sky which do 9999999 damage to everyone in the party.

Xaven:I can't believe we are alive after all that. Right, Future?
Future Esthar: :skull:
Squall of SeeD:.........
Crazybayman:Look!!! Just what is your problem????

Narrator:The last three remaining light warriors charged forward and defeated Unknowns.

Xaven: At last!! We won!!! (Victory music plays)
Future Esthar: :angel:
Squall of SeeD:...........
Crazybayman: Let's finish this toliet paper stealing bitch off.

Unknowns:Wait!!! I have something to reveal to you!! I am actually the GOOD guy in this story and you guys are the BAD guys!!!(I also dun mind giving away my photos)

Xaven:This is the one of lamest plot twist since Star Wars Epsoide V.
Future Esthar: :fpangel:
Squall of SeeD:.....
Crazybayman: Ya! and says who?

Narrator: Say me!!! Cause I am LYING all the way during the story!!!LOL!!!!!!!! Nah Nah Nah Boo Boo Boo. Suckers!!!

Xaven:I must admit, this is also the lamest story since FF TSW.
Future Esthar:Told you! All game events and scripts are lies. The only truth lies within me.
Squall of SeeD:YOU ARE ALIVE???
Crazybayman :You do actually can SPEAK!!!

Narrator: And so Unknowns finished off the four bad guys and peace prevailed in PuPu Tu BaBa.


THE END

Gamer: WTF!!!???? THIS IS DEFINETLY ONE OF THE GAME I MUST ADD TO MY LIST OF THE GAYEST AND LAMEST @$%^*&!~ GAME EVER MAKE IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!

(All names used in this story is pure COINCIDENCE and any death or injury or whatever caused is none of my business :D )

To Future : Catch my point??


Believe-me,I have playing the game for about 6 years and analysed everything.Events,graphical details and script.
What is this Ultimania guide?

You claimed you know so much on FF but know nothing about Ultimania guide? Go ask Squall of SeeD as I stated earlier. And I do believe that all you do is look whatever is in the game for info instead of going out there to see if there is other source of info out there.


And yes,I know a hint can have different interpretations.But this is exactly the fun.
And when there are MANY different hints the broad of possibilities get narrower.

This what make a Fanfiction...


Let me pay a visit to this Arts and Writing forums.

You should do this right in the begining...

[crazybayman]

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Nicely done Unknowns!

[Future Esthar]

I said it changes the plot.I am sorry.
What i mean is that it help us see there is an hidden story which contradict what the script made us believe.

These theories will NOT change the plot. Why would the creators and programmers at Square spend years developing a game, putting so much work into the graphics and script, only for the "True" script to be identified by only one person, who by the sounds of it, is on crack while playing.

It´s a question of attitude.
I am one of the few "open minded" members(the exactly opposite of a "watever member").
I believe (through my experience on the forums) there is 1 up to 10000 members who were "open minded" about FF8 (me,bipper and Random Locker belong to this class).
Considering the interpretation of this few people don´t need to be equal
it´s not surprising I am the only one with this interpretation.
Also,my theories were not too evident nor intuitive.
This means I am wrong?Of course not.
Very few people believed the Earth was round instead of flat in Copernicus time.

[crazybayman]

I said it changes the plot.I am sorry.
What i mean is that it help us see there is an hidden story which contradict what the script made us believe.

These theories will NOT change the plot. Why would the creators and programmers at Square spend years developing a game, putting so much work into the graphics and script, only for the "True" script to be identified by only one person, who by the sounds of it, is on crack while playing.

It´s a question of attitude.
I am one of the few "open minded" members(the exactly opposite of a "watever member").
I believe (through my experience on the forums) there is 1 up to 10000 members who were "open minded" about FF8 (me,bipper and Random Locker belong to this class).
Considering the interpretation of this few people don´t need to be equal
it´s not surprising I am the only one with this interpretation.
Also,my theories were not too evident nor intuitive.
This means I am wrong?Of course not.
Very few people believed the Earth was round instead of flat in Copernicus time.

Listen, we are all open-minded here. There's a difference in being close-minded and being logical. We're just being logical, based on what we know from the game. I am FAR FROM close-minded.

Yes, one time people believed the earth was flat, and now we know its round. That was when people had no idea about the solar system, and how the earth was formed. When it comes to a game that was created by humans just several years ago, we know when something is completely untrue, especially when the creators have already denied the obvious arguments like R=U.

I just do not find the hidden stories and meanings you've come up with to be logical, as there is NO proof that they are true. I'm not going to back through your threads and point out each individual point because I don't have time.

It seems that everyone else here (except Bipper) find your theories to be irrational, illogical, and have no basis on the game or storyline. Its NOT because we're not open-minded, or that we're trying to be nasty, we've just decided to decipher the game for what it is, and not all these fake situations and plots you claim to be in the background, like Julia=Ulti, and Rhino=Ellone, etc.

[Future Esthar]

This was just to explain why I am the only one with this theory.
You are both logical and close minded.A "whatever member" as i call.
I know you care for theories as long as it makes sence.
It will not be difficult for you (nor me) to see that the "Laguna=Squall´s father" theory makes sence even knowing the game didn´t tell it explicitly.I know that.
But when one goes too farfetched you start to hate it.But you can´t also prove it wrong even knowing it didn´t make much sense.
I conclude thus that there is a measure of "open mindedness" and your are low.And mine´s too high.

[crazybayman]

This was just to explain why I am the only one with this theory.
You are both logical and close minded.A "whatever member" as i call.
I know you care for theories as long as it makes sence.
It will not be difficult for you (nor me) to see that the "Laguna=Squall´s father" theory makes sence even knowing the game didn´t tell it explicitly.I know that.
But when one goes too farfetched you start to hate it.But you can´t also prove it wrong even knowing it didn´t make much sense.
I conclude thus that there is a measure of "open mindedness" and your are low.And mine´s too high.
I don't really care if you think I'm a "Whatever" member :rolleyes2 (wtf??? that is so lame.......)

I don't hate what you say, it just DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, and we have all told you how it doesn't make any sense, and that it has no basis on the game.

This game is a piece of digital equipment, created by programmers, software engineers (people similar to me, I'm an engineer myself), and not the artsy-fartsy type who sit around and try to link everything piece of silly information with some relavence to the sun and the moon. They didn't mean for anyone to get the idea that all the characters are really propagotors,or that Julia is really Ulti (or whatever it was you said). What the game presents us with, is what is actually true. The programmers of the game don't want people to think that Caraway is lying, and that he killed Julia, if the game doesn't present itself that way.

Interpret the game how you like. I don't care to look deep into the meaning of something if its doesn't even follow the storyline. I find myself sometimes wondering who Ultimecia is, because they didn't give her any background information, except that she's a sorceress many generations into the future, and therefore LOGICALLY CANNOT BE Julia, etc. Therefore, what's the point of even considering it, if it cannot be true.

Maybe you have too much time on your hands. Maybe its the little green bag. I dunno.......

[Future Esthar]

I call "Whatever" because this members hate to make theories based on minor details and they don´t like to see deep into the game.Like if they don´t care.Gotcha?No offense.
And I worked with TRLE,Game Maker (5&6) and RPGMaker XP and I still don´t see my how my theories could be based on bugs?
I am not an engineer but this has nothing to do with programming but game writing.
The writer of the game is not a programmer even though he can work in a software company.

Ulti lives on the past.
Squall remembers it on the game(I can actually proof this).

[Xaven]

Ulti lives on the past.
Squall remembers it on the game(I can actually proof this).

Okay, please do so.

[Future Esthar]

You just need to consider that Squall says "This is it.Ultimecia is here." near the master room.It always happens no matter if you kill any monster or not.He will say it even if you take the fastest path from the castle entrance to the master room(in which case you will see only one monster).
So,how will Squall know that Ultimecia is there?It could as well be a monster.
And no,the door is not opened as some of you said many months ago.

[Destai]

You just need to consider that Squall says "This is it.Ultimecia is here." near the master room.It always happens no matter if you kill any monster or not.He will say it even if you take the fastest path from the castle entrance to the master room(in which case you will see only one monster).
So,how will Squall know that Ultimecia is there?It could as well be a monster.
And no,the door is not opened as some of you said many months ago.The storyline answer: because technically you've reached the end of the castle. The real answer: Because someone always asks "are you ready?" before the last boss fight. Duh.

[Future Esthar]

But castles don´t have the same shape.Even though the master room is supposed to be at the highest place it didn´t happen on all castles.In some of them,the master room is at the floor (even played Super Mario RPG also from Square?).How will Squall know?

[Destai]

But castles don´t have the same shape.Even though the master room is supposed to be at the highest place it didn´t happen on all castles.In some of them,the master room is at the floor (even played Super Mario RPG also from Square?).How will Squall know?Because in that castle hes gone as far as the main path will take him.

[Xaven]

As for Squall "remembering" where Ultimecia(/Edea/Julia)'s room is, even I could tell by the look and location of the room that she was inside. Even the menu says that the location is the master room.


Aaa... okay I get it now. Yeah I also realized when I first looked at the place that it is THE room where she waits. But I thought FE referred to Squall as a character remembering the place from before or something...

[Future Esthar]

To Destai
But how do he knows there is not a monster inside the room?
After all you only see one monster in the main path so...
The door is closed.How do he knows there is not a back entrance leading to other bridge?(Unless he was a good observer and saw it in the outside when he first saw the castle).
But then...How do he know there is not a monster there?
Many times we see a monster on an end path.For example,Gargantua.When we go there on the armory room we can´t go any further.So we are forced to go back and choose another path.

[Destai]

To Destai
But how do he knows there is not a monster inside the room?
After all you only see one monster in the main path so...
The door is closed.How do he knows there is not a back entrance leading to other bridge?(Unless he was a good observer and saw it in the outside when he first saw the castle).
But then...How do he know there is not a monster there?
Many times we see a monster on an end path.For example,Gargantua.When we go there on the armory room we can´t go any further.So we are forced to go back and choose another path.You seem to forget so easily you're playing a video game, but yeah, I'll play along. You see Squall is reliving the moment because if you payed any attention during the game you would know that Squall was Grievers reincarnation. Him and Griever are mentally connected and Griever is junctioned by Ultimecia. Squall couldnt explain it but he knew with this 6th sense that Ultimecia was in that room. In fact now that I think about it that explains why Squalls destiny is interwined with Rinoa despite them being incompatible. Because J=U and J sent Griever to protect Rinoa! Yes its all starting to make sense now....

[Christmas]

You just need to consider that Squall says "This is it.Ultimecia is here." near the master room.It always happens no matter if you kill any monster or not.He will say it even if you take the fastest path from the castle entrance to the master room(in which case you will see only one monster).
So,how will Squall know that Ultimecia is there?It could as well be a monster.
And no,the door is not opened as some of you said many months ago.


For what happened earlier, read the previous page of this thread.

Narrator: And so the four warriors continued their journey against Unknowns.

Xaven: Aren't we all dead already??
Future Esthar: Even if I die, my theories will never die!!!
Squall of SeeD:......
crazybayman: Who cares, let's just move on.

Narrator: Some time later...

Xaven: Hey, this look like a pretty impressive DOOR we have here.
Future Esthar :So? never see a door in your life???
Squall of SeeD:.........
crazybayman:According to the past FF series game, there is alway a WARNING when something major is gonna happen!!! Like those famous lines "It is going to get nasty from here" or "Better check your equipments" and all this stuff. Also the location in the menu say " Room Of Savage Moogles".(Dun ask me how I access the menu....)

Narrator:........

Xaven: ....No warning, Well?
Future Esthar: even I could tell by the look and location of the DOOR that is the PROMISED LAND inside..
Squall of SeeD:...
crazybayman: No point pondering then. Let's go.

Narrator: And so the four warrior of lights walk through the door only to be brutally slaughtered by a bunch of "Whatever" moogles which are narrow minded and cannot accept Future Esthar's theories.

Xaven: WHAT THE SMUF??? Aren't we suppose to get some WARNING when something like this is gonna happen???
Future Esthar: Ya, especially when they dun accept my theories!!!
Squall of SeeD:....gay....
crazybayman:Look smart alec, you were the one that say there is the PROMISED LAND inside!!! So this is what is promised? one way trip to Game Over?

Narrator: And so the party was wiped out because they have no sense of COMMON SENSE to ANALYSIS stuff LOGICALLY and rely too much on their IMAGINATION.


The End

Gamer:Ok, I am demanding a REFUND no matter what!!!



I believe (through my experience on the forums) there is 1 up to 10000 members who were "open minded" about FF8 (me,bipper and Random Locker belong to this class).

So, those that agree with you are open minded and those that dun are narrow minded also known as "Whatever" members? Talk about democracy and freedom in speech...



Many times we see a monster on an end path.For example,Gargantua.When we go there on the armory room we can´t go any further.So we are forced to go back and choose another path.

Because that is not the MAIN path.


But how do he knows there is not a monster inside the room?
After all you only see one monster in the main path so...
The door is closed.How do he knows there is not a back entrance leading to other bridge?

Narrator: And so the four warriors of light decided to rest in an inn for a meal.

Xaven: Look, i want anything but this "Uncle Ronald Mcdonald Happy Meal With A Free Chocobo Doll Included". Okay, you heard me? I am not a kid, ok? I dun want this! YOU HEARD ME? I DUN WANT THIS.....ok, give me this then.
Future Esthar: .......
Squall of SeeD:copycat....
crazybayman: Give me something that will make me drunk...

Narrator:And so the meals is served and our heroes started eating...

Xaven: I told them I dun want this, but oh well..*hug the chocobo doll tightly and started giggling*
Future Esthar: WAIT!!! DUN EAT!!! CAN'T YOU SEE THERE'S SOMETHING AMISS???
SquallofSeeD:........
crazybayman: Something is only amiss when the "........" didn't appear above my name.

Narrator: And so Future Esthar unreveal the big secret to them...

Xaven: So, the food is POSIONED because the waiter didn't SMILE at us when he serve the food....
Future Esthar: NOT ONLY THAT!! Did you notice the waiter take took out order is different from the one that serve our food, also the waiter didn't serve our food with his right arm when he is right handed, not to forget the waiter that took down our orders had a :skull: TATOO on his arm and do you know what :skull: means? Death!!! And also...
Squall of SeeD: :........:hot:
crazybayman: I think I have better dogfood than listening to your junks...


To be COntinued.......

Catch the gists of all the stories???

[crazybayman]

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Destai]

:) Classy

[Squall of SeeD]

Yeah, I've got to say that Unknowns' summary is pretty accurate. Funny stuff. At least Future's theories were actually productive in the skit.

[Future Esthar]

Narrator:Our hero´s went to an art gallery.They start to see a very funny picture.

Xaven:Wow,what a great picture.
Future Esthar:At least I can see that there is at least one angel painted.
Squall of Seed:Not again.
Crazybayman:Can´t see any angel.

Xaven:The guide explains that this paint is only about many children playing on a rose field.
Future Esthar:But can´t you see the wings?It is a symbol of the happiness on the spring.Of course the guide don´t wanna to explain everything but he wanna you to look for yourself the deep of the picture.He just gives you clues to start with.
Squall of Seed:I even read an external guide which confirms what this guide says and additional information which contradicts what FE says.
Crazybayman:It´s just a bug you know?Painters weren´t perfect.Maybe the paint get´s blurred on these.Look,there is a signature on the picture.Now did this mean that the angel gives a vision to the children in which they start to see letters floating on midair?Of course not.

Xaven:Why would the painter draw a simple picture of children playing on the field and then completely change it to have a complete religious meaning?It don´t makes sence.
Future Esthar:Why not?
Squall of Seed:God Future!!!!!There is no angel there.Give us some proof to back up your theories.They don´t fit well what has been said by the guides and history books about this picture.It don´t even fit what is said about in cultural TV programs.What the damn Hell!!!!!!!!!!
Crazybayman:You know,I used to be a painter myself.And I can tell you
that painters don´t just do things like these.They don´t just kept hidden things to be found on their paintings.Do you know the work needed just to made a single painting?

Narrator:Unknowns was there hearing their conversation.And suddenly Xaven spot her.

Xaven:Oh my God!Unknowns is there!!!
Future Esthar:I thought paintings like these were supposed to have a hidden meaning.Better,I am sure they were.Cultural programs also say this.
Squall of Seed:Calm down!I think that she come in peace.
Crazybayman:Why would the painters keep it so secretive that only you will be able to interpret it?That don´t makes any sense at all.

Unknowns:Well,Ulti also has wings hasn´t her?Rinoa also.Icarus also.Count Dracula also.Ogre from Tekken 3 also.So It can also be Ulti scaryng the Seed children who plays at the flower field near the orphanage.You look to deep into things.

The End

Gamer:Well,it couldn´t be worst than that eyes on whatever forums.
Is it the right name?Or is it Eyes Far From Open Minded Persons Forums.
I remember vaguely this history happening there.

Me:Hey,I am kidding.I love this Forum and all the members here.No offense.

[CaladBolgLionHeart]

OK, everyone's entitled to their oun opinion, but Future Esthar, your topics tend to cross the line between "Opinions" and "BS". If the only backup you have to your zany theories is for ppl to be open-minded, u should spend more time replaying FF8, and less time pumping out topics about how u think Zell is secretly a silverback gorilla.

[Xaven]

Narrator:Our hero´s went to an art gallery.They start to see a very funny picture.

Xaven:Wow,what a great picture.
Future Esthar:At least I can see that there is at least one angel painted.
Squall of Seed:Not again.
Crazybayman:Can´t see any angel.

Xaven:The guide explains that this paint is only about many children playing on a rose field.
Future Esthar:But can´t you see the wings?It is a symbol of the happiness on the spring.Of course the guide don´t wanna to explain everything but he wanna you to look for yourself the deep of the picture.He just gives you clues to start with.
Squall of Seed:I even read an external guide which confirms what this guide says and additional information which contradicts what FE says.
Crazybayman:It´s just a bug you know?Painters weren´t perfect.Maybe the paint get´s blurred on these.Look,there is a signature on the picture.Now did this mean that the angel gives a vision to the children in which they start to see letters floating on midair?Of course not.

Xaven:Why would the painter draw a simple picture of children playing on the field and then completely change it to have a complete religious meaning?It don´t makes sence.
Future Esthar:Why not?
Squall of Seed:God Future!!!!!There is no angel there.Give us some proof to back up your theories.They don´t fit well what has been said by the guides and history books about this picture.It don´t even fit what is said about in cultural TV programs.What the damn Hell!!!!!!!!!!
Crazybayman:You know,I used to be a painter myself.And I can tell you
that painters don´t just do things like these.They don´t just kept hidden things to be found on their paintings.Do you know the work needed just to made a single painting?

Narrator:Unknowns was there hearing their conversation.And suddenly Xaven spot her.

Xaven:Oh my God!Unknowns is there!!!
Future Esthar:I thought paintings like these were supposed to have a hidden meaning.Better,I am sure they were.Cultural programs also say this.
Squall of Seed:Calm down!I think that she come in peace.
Crazybayman:Why would the painters keep it so secretive that only you will be able to interpret it?That don´t makes any sense at all.

Unknowns:Well,Ulti also has wings hasn´t her?Rinoa also.Icarus also.Count Dracula also.Ogre from Tekken 3 also.So It can also be Ulti scaryng the Seed children who plays at the flower field near the orphanage.You look to deep into things.

The End

Gamer:Well,it couldn´t be worst than that eyes on whatever forums.
Is it the right name?Or is it Eyes Far From Open Minded Persons Forums.
I remember vaguely this history happening there.

Me:Hey,I am kidding.I love this Forum and all the members here.No offense.

Hey! Only Unknowns is allowed to write those stories! :cry: Oh well.

There is a difference between a painting resembling angel's wings and throwing a story in a blender for six years and seeing what sentances might comes out.

I can see that you have worked very hard on coming up with your theories (fanfiction?), but many a time, they don't make sense or have any backing. They just don't work.

PS: Squall of SeeD is much more rational and grammer conscious than portrayed in your story.

[crazybayman]

Yep, only Unknowns can write those.

And Future, there is a big difference in a painting and a video game for crying out loud. Many times a painting is meant to have hidden meaning (OMG WTF??? CRAZY BAYMAN IS NOT CLOSE-MINDED).

By calling all of us close-minded, your completely wrong. We're just not retards. ;)

[Christmas]

Squall of Seed:God Future!!!!!There is no angel there.Give us some proof to back up your theories.They don´t fit well what has been said by the guides and history books about this picture.It don´t even fit what is said about in cultural TV programs.What the damn Hell!!!!!!!!!!

Narrator: And so the heroes continued their jounery once again.....

Xaven: This dungeon's pretty creepy, unlike those flashy one we used to go.
Future Esthar: I will call those that we used to go "nightclub", my friend.
Squall of SeeD:........
crazybayman:SSShhhh, did you heard something?

Narrator: A humongous :tonberry: suddenly appear. It is more evil looking than any :tonberry: and it certainly more deadly than any :tonberry: since it carry a :monkey: instead of a normal knife....

Destai "self claimed WEAPON": GREETINGS.I AM DESTAI-WEAPON, THE MOST POWERFUL OPTIONAL BOSS IN THE GAME IF YOU BOTHER TO SCAN ME. YOU DUDE DUN STAND A CHANCE AGAINST ME AND I SUGGEST YOU RUN BACK HOME TO MAMA AND LEAVE ALL THE "ADULTS" MAGAZINES YOU HAVE WITH YOU BEHIND.

Xaven:NOOOO!!! Anything than my PRECIOUS COLLECTIONS!!!!!
Future Esthar: Do you think we will be afraid of you just because you added a word "WEAPON" behind your name like the past FF series optional bosses?????
Squall of SeeD:........
crazybayman: Ya!! And BTW, those are MY collections not yours!! You are underage for those.

Destai "self claimed WEAPON":FINE!! I WILL SHOW YOU THE TERROR OF DESTAI-WEAPON!!! I DESTAI-WEAPON, WILL KNOCK YOU ALL DOWN!!!!

Narrator: Destai "self claimed WEAPON" unleashed his :monkey: to attack the party.

Xaven:I heard that quote from somewhere before....
Future Esthar: It is what you usually say to the girls at the club during a drinking competion...
Squall of SeeD:......*started searching his pockets*
crazybayman: How much damage to you think this little fluffy creature can do? I will show him one of my own Shaolin drunken monkey style....OUUUCHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Narrator: The :monkey: unleashed his own Jackie Chan's amazing dancing monkey style "remix version" attack which deal 999999 damage to everyone in the party.

Xaven:Why alway 999999 damage like what Unknowns did? Man, talk about creative and yet we are still alive as usual!
Future Esthar: That is not the point! Think of something constructive will you!
Squall of SeeD:....*take out a guide book from his pocket*
crazybayman: Give me that, you "......." freak. Let's see, according to this "STEPS BY STEPS TO COMPLETED EVERY RPG", (idiot-proof and recongized by the self claimed "World RPG gamers associations for Dummies") We will just cast DEATH on him and he will be dead!!!! GYAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Destai "self claimed WEAPON": NO!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!! PRETTY PLEASE!!!! I WILL GIVE YOU MY LIMITED VERSION OF FF7 ADVENT CHILDREN "HENTAI" VERSION WITH A FREE WEBSITE WHICH YOU CAN DOWNLOAD HENTAI FOR FREE !!!!

Xaven: Download for free...*gulps*...should we reconsider..???
Future Esthar:There are other sites that you can download them for free, I used to visit them myself.....THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE!!! SOMEONE CAST DEATH ON THAT :tonberry:.
Squall of SeeD:.....can't use magic..... :grumble:
crazybayman: Speak for yourself, aren't you the black mage around here? If you can't then no one can. So.....*gulps*(oh my god, here that :monkey: comes...) NOOOO!!! NOT THERE,not on the face!!!!NOOOO!!!

Narrator: And so the party is once again wiped out.....by a...:monkey:....


THE END

Look, not all guides are "accurate" like what I wrote in my story. Like how they give a strategy on how to defeat a certain monster but you still ended up getting your ass kicked. The guidebook served as a guideline and important references to the game which it is up to us to anaylsis the truth behind it by logical explainations, proper execution and base on it we make assumptions, so that is why we used it as PROOFS.




Future Esthar:I thought paintings like these were supposed to have a hidden meaning.Better,I am sure they were.Cultural programs also say this.

Unknowns:Well,Ulti also has wings hasn´t her?Rinoa also.Icarus also.Count Dracula also.Ogre from Tekken 3 also.So It can also be Ulti scaryng the Seed children who plays at the flower field near the orphanage.You look to deep into things.

You just said it yourself. If all painting have hidden meanings, I just give some of mine while you give some of yours. Anyone can interpret it.


Gamer:Well,it couldn´t be worst than that eyes on whatever forums.
Is it the right name?Or is it Eyes Far From Open Minded Persons Forums.
I remember vaguely this history happening there.

Look, we have different views and opinions and does that mean that those have different opinions and views from you are narrow minded and so called "whatever" members. We give our opinions and views and even bother to go look for proof to support it instead of just swearing and cursing. If that is the case, you are the "whatever" member from my point of view.


PS: BTW, Squall of SeeD hardly talks in the story, that's what make him a character.

[crazybayman]

You should work for Square Unknowns! :p


Look, we have different views and opinions and does that mean that those have different opinions and views from you are narrow minded and so called "whatever" members. We give our opinions and views and even bother to go look for proof to support it instead of just swearing and cursing. If that is the case, you are the "whatever" member from my point of view.
Exactly.

Just because we don't agree with your theories, because we feel they don't correctly link to the game without altering the plot or the dialogue, it doesn't make is narrow-minded.

As I said before, we've debated things apparent hidden things like R=U before, and upon weighing the ingame facts that support it, and those that don't, most of us (or so it seems) have come to the conclusion that R DOES NOT = U (as an example, I know that's not your argument this time, its just an example).

There's no need to accuse people of being narrow-minded just because we don't agree with you.

[Future Esthar]

I never said you are close minded because you don´t agree with my theories.Never said such a thing.Different open-minded persons can have different interpretations.
But i explained to you it was not a discrete thing but a continuous thing in the sense that you are open minded but in little quantity.
By the way the most the farfetchedtness of the story you are willing to believe the more open minded you are.That´s obvious because one can´t really proof something entirely on the game.
One has to decide by themselves to which point he wanna to believe reasonably on a theory.The point he is willing to go defines his open mindedness.

[crazybayman]

I never said you are close minded because you don´t agree with my theories.Never said such a thing.Different open-minded persons can have different interpretations.
But i explained to you it was not a discrete thing but a continuous thing in the sense that you are open minded but in little quantity.
Oh wow, thank-you for the compliment. At least I'm open-minded, even if it is in small quantities. Oh thank you so much, I didn't realize I was worthy. :rolleyes2

You're actually beginning to sound arrogant. You're actually so clueless, that you think your the only one that's open-minded enough to figure out your silly theories, and that everyone else is open-minded, but only in small quantities, and therefore we can't follow a continuous theory.

It must be like advanced calculus, huh? :rolleyes2 Only you are open-minded enough to follow your theories. Wow. Thanks Dr. Odine. :rolleyes2

I can follow all your so-called theories. I understand what you say, and I'm open-minded enough to piece together what your saying. It just doesn't fit with the story, and believe me, I, and everyone else here are all open-minded enough to see that. If it fit the storyline, I'd give you credit. But its just nonsense. There have been countless questions fired at you, which you still haven't answered, because they don't fit FFVIII.

It would seriously help if you addressed your questions clearly, and consisely. But you can't. Because they don't fit the storyline of the game, and therefore have no merit. You've attempted to return a few answers, partially, but then you go off on another tangent.

[Future Esthar]

I am not being arrogant.Being open-minded is not being clever.It is being imaginative and fearless enough to say stupidity that can´t be proofed right nor wrong.But it can fit the story no matter what imagination is required to that.
So open-mindedness and cleverness were inversely proportional
(just in the case of FF).

[Xaven]

It is being imaginative and fearless enough to say stupidity that can´t be proofed right nor wrong.
So, what you're saying is stupidity? I'm gonna ignore that word since it's obviously not what you meant to come out.


But it can fit the story no matter what imagination is required to that
Haven't you been listening when we told you that it doesn't fit the story? The story says that Quistis is a SeeD instructer who just go demoted to an average SeeD and Selphie is a transfer student from Trabia who just passed the SeeD exam (neither of which are sorceresses), Julia is Rinoa's mother who died when Rinoa was young (not Edea and Ultimecia), and that time compression sets in after defeating Sorceress Adel when Ellone sends Rinoa's conscience along with Ultimecia's into the past; not anywhere else. It doesn't fit the story unless you ignore it and use your imagination to shove some ideas around.


So open-mindedness and cleverness were inversely proportional
(just in the case of FF).
Why do you say that? Sure, being clever and being open-minded are different things, but sure as hell aren't opposites.

[Christmas]

I am not being arrogant.Being open-minded is not being clever.It is being imaginative and fearless enough to say stupidity that can´t be proofed right nor wrong.But it can fit the story no matter what imagination is required to that.
So open-mindedness and cleverness were inversely proportional

Narrator: And the final battle with Unknowns commence...as the four warrior of light decide the fate of all toliet papers in the world....

Xaven: Again? I wonder what's the catch this time....
Future Esthar: Finally, you are starting to think deeply like me!
Squall of SeeD:....... :nonono:
crazybayman:Let's not get Future started......

Unknowns: You morons can never beat me cause I wrote this STORY!!! Losers!!! Nah nah nah boo boo boo!!!

Narrator: So both sides clashed with each other as they unleashed their best attack against each other hoping to get their desired outcomes.....and so....

Unknowns: Told ya!!! You losers can't beat me cause I am also the "X" in this story!!!! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Xaven: Alas, we lost....but at least I stole her wallet. So that make us even!!
Future Esthar: You only stole the wallet? I stole all the undergarments she is wearing...opps.....PG 13...
Squall of SeeD:.........*unleashed Lionheart against Unknowns and knocked her down*
crazybayman:You sometime do impress me by the surprise you give....

Unknowns: Wait!!! Dun kill me!!! I have something to say!!!

Xaven: Not this again!
Future Esthar: Ya, this is lame! You alway use this trick to turn the tables around, not fair!
Squall of SeeD:..........
crazybayman: Fine, Fine, just say it. I am already prepared for the worst....Amen.*started charting prayers*

Unknowns: Look, can't you be a bit open minded and look at this situation, I stole the toliet paper so the people will understand the IMPORTANCE of what they have neglected and start treasuring them and also people will start to look for new ways to replace the traditional toliet paper system with a more innovative and creative way. Considering what I am doing now a contribution to the improvement and advancement of both human society and technology in which will benefit the countless future generations after our times though I may be condenmed by countless but my deeds will forever be remembered.. :save:*Ray of Gold light started shining on Unknowns*:save:

Xaven:....I am touched by your great sacrifice to the human race..... :crying:
Future Esthar: I am loss of words.....sniff...and your undergarment smells good. *kept on sniffing*
Squall of SeeD:.........*started walking towards Unknowns*
crazybayman:This is just like hearing Hitler talking about democracy.....

Narrator: and Squall of SeeD stretched out his hand towards Unknowns....

:save:Unknowns:save:: You are willing to believe me? I..I...... *Teardrops start dropping like shining crystal falling from the sky*

Narrator: So unknowns stretched her hands to Squall of SeeD....

Xaven: Oh, I will cry a river if things go on like this.... :weep:
Future Esthar: A Happy ending....something is fishy..I could smell the stench....of course some came from the undergarments too....
Squall of SeeD:...........*grins*
crazybayman: for once I agreed with you, Future.

:save: :save: Unknowns:save: :save::so, ahh, can you cast Full Cure on me so i can get recovered and of course I will not try to backstab you guys, never will I do that. Ya, You can trust me!!! Hahahaha, Huh?

Narrator: Squall of SeeD drew out his sword and beheaded Unknowns....

Xaven:...........I must say that is pretty savage and rated for violence......
Future Esthar:..........I need to go see my family psychiatrist to get over this....
Squall of SeeD:Now this is the fun part......*started giggling*
crazybayman: I must say you do surprised me way too much, I am outta here.


THE END

Just something more to add, anything can fit into the story if you said it based in your IMAGINATION and willing or not in to believe your story doesn't make one more open minded or anything. Does that mean that if we believe pigs can sing "Eyes on me" being us open-minded? We choose whether we want to believe in your theory by analyzing the accountability of the situation of whether we choose to believe it in or not.

[Future Esthar]

Oh my God,I was just giving a definition of "open mindedness on FF".I am not offending anyone anyway.
And,STOP MAKING UP THESE STORIES.I JUST WANNA TO SEE YOUR OPINIONS CLEARLY AND CONCISE.
I AM SICK OF THESE. :mad2:


Why do you say that? Sure, being clever and being open-minded are different things, but sure as hell aren't opposites.

Not in the case of a FF game in which one cannot proof things that weren´t explicit.

To Xaven-It fits the story.Quistis is a Seed instructor in Time Compression.Selphie is a transfer student in Time Compression.
Of course they don´t know they live on Time Compression.
Not even the gamer can proof it wrong.
In the storyline people learned that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses yet this can be false information.In the game every character can draw magic and use it so the possibility for Quistis and Selphie being sorceresses is open.
Julia is Rinoa´s mother and we don´t really see her dying so no one can proof this.That´s false information.
I know the exact place in which Squall and company were falling when "Time Compression" begins.There was not really a time compression after Squall defeats Adel.The Galbadians changed the walls of Lunatic Pandora so that it shows an holographic film when Squall and Company fall in one of Pandora´s vertical corridors.
So the world of FF8 was always under TC with the exception of Ulti´s time.
The Pandora time traveled while Squall and Company fall.
It surrounds Ulti´s castle.
As you see my theories fit the storyline.Squall for sure don´t knows there is an holographic film and that the Pandora time travels.

[Floorgasborg]

Don't be mean about the stories! They're fantastic!

[Shauna]

I have been following this thread. And, you say 'no gamer can prove it wrong', FE.

Well, you can't prove it right. What about all the unanswered questions that are still lying around? Are you avoiding them, cause they'll prove you wrong?

I don't believe a single word you have said. But, I admire you for thinking so much about the game.

[Christmas]

Oh my God,I was just giving a definition of "open mindedness on FF".I am not offending anyone anyway.
And,STOP MAKING UP THESE STORIES.I JUST WANNA TO SEE YOUR OPINIONS CLEARLY AND CONCISE.
I AM SICK OF THESE. :mad2:

Speak for yourself. Who is the one that keep giving riddles here and there annoying the hell out of everyone and prove your theory with Maybe this, maybe that and refusing to just reveal everything in one shot. Also frequently just taking back what you say.

All my stories are relevant example of the rebuttles I have on your theory and if you feel frustrated and dun bother reading it, you will know how we feel when we read your theory and riddles.


Not in the case of a FF game in which one cannot proof things that weren´t explicit.

You cannot prove a single part of your theory with any concerte proof or explainations and just grumbling about how everyone is narrow minded while insisted that your theory can fit in which it is all based on your own deductions and so called imagination and claimed that it cannot be proven but convinced by you. This is just like some politicians trying to mind poison you in getting your votes by the fancy stories they make.

If that is the case, I can just simply create my own theory easily if this is how all theories is based on.

And my Yu Yevon/Hyne = "X" is a good proof of the theory you claimed to be a theory. And you are not open minded and is a "whatever" member if you refuse to believe in the theory even though you still have no rebuttle to overthrown this theory.


To Xaven-It fits the story.Quistis is a Seed instructor in Time Compression.Selphie is a transfer student in Time Compression.
Of course they don´t know they live on Time Compression.

Ya. Looks like everyone is already role-playing in the game instead of we doing the role playing.


Not even the gamer can proof it wrong.

And you can't proof it right either.


In the storyline people learned that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses yet this can be false information.In the game every character can draw magic and use it so the possibility for Quistis and Selphie being sorceresses is open.

ANYONE can DRAW magic if they have a GF junctioned.


Julia is Rinoa´s mother and we don´t really see her dying so no one can proof this.That´s false information.

And we dun see her living either and no one can proof her alive. And you are actually talking about "PROOF" here when you have none.

Example: We dun see Hyne in the game so this character Hyne is also false info?


I know the exact place in which Squall and company were falling when "Time Compression" begins.There was not really a time compression after Squall defeats Adel.The Galbadians changed the walls of Lunatic Pandora so that it shows an holographic film when Squall and Company fall in one of Pandora´s vertical corridors.
So the world of FF8 was always under TC with the exception of Ulti´s time.

Ya, so where is the Galbadian soldiers hiding all the way? How do they change the walls and how do you know all this? Also I dun see any link with time compression and changing the wall and I know you are going to answer with "this is to DECIEVE blah blah.." So we are playing a game that is decieving all of us or we brought it just to get decieved and enlighten by you?


The Pandora time traveled while Squall and Company fall.
It surrounds Ulti´s castle.
As you see my theories fit the storyline.Squall for sure don´t knows there is an holographic film and that the Pandora time travels.

Any fanfictions can fit into the story with their bizzare storyline and all stuff. But it is all words and solely based on words and nothing else.

I will post a story/example here and if you find it annoying you can dun read it and no offense here. It is just a story/example like how I was beheaded in the last one. :lol:


Narrator: One day, our heroes is resting under a tree.....

Xaven: Hey, I thought the game ended since Unknowns is dead.
Future Esthar: You know, something been bother me....
Squall of SeeD:........
crazybayman: Oh really...there is something in this world that can bother our number one resident conspiracy theorist here. Enlighten me please.

Narrator: and so Future told them what's been bother him...

Xaven: WHAT? You say you are actually the Reincarnation of Albert Einstein ????
Future Esthar: Ya...Look at me. I am so DIFFERENT from you lowlifes. I am so MUCH smarter and intelligent and I can prove it if you access the menu and see my stats for my intelligent. I have out of this world theories only to be condemned by the foolish ignorant worthless puny little carbon-based microscopic wastage like you all here. For I am the one, the one and only...:save:*HA LEH LOO YA* :save: ...will lead you to a world improved by my knowledge and wisdom with light shining upon the world and hope for the future generation....:save:*HA LEH LOO YA, HA LEH LOO YA....*:save: BUT..........
Squall of SeeD:........black mage have high intelligent....moron.... :hot:
crazybayman:Your theory just make my day, I think I can laugh myself to sleep tonight just thinking of this.

Xaven: So, what's with the "BUT" you added....Einstein.
Future Esthar: I am so particulary handsome and elegant and look nothing no where similar to that freak with a exploding hair. I have been pondering, am I a mixture of Einstein's intelligent and Squall/Laguna/Cloud/Sephiroth/Leonardo Di Caprio's look to even exist as a perfect human and only to be hated by of senseless mortals that is jealous. Opps. Sorry if I offended you.
:hot:Squall of SeeD:hot:......:hot::hot::hot::hot:*Squall of SeeD's limit break bar charged up"
crazybayman: No, allow me the honor, pls. Or I will have to live with the regret for the rest of my life. *Bring out a chainsaw from pocket*


THE END
Like the story told, the Einstein theory is simply the same here only to be supported with words from the theorist and insisted it fits in.

BTW, thanks to whoever out there that like my story.

[crazybayman]

Thanks Unknowns, I really enjoyed your story. Keep 'em coming! Your rational, yet comical posts have brought logical reasoning, and at the same time comic relief to this charade. Bravo.

[Future Esthar]

Don´t picture me as arrogant because I am far from it.

[Christmas]

Don´t picture me as arrogant because I am far from it.

I never say you are arrogant but if you mean the story then let me tell you something.

The story is PURELY FICTION AND ONLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE WHICH APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER INSIDE THERE. The point is the gist of the story or should I say moral not the character of the people inside the story. Do you see Squall of SeeD replying post with : ".................."????

[Squall of SeeD]

Do you see Squall of SeeD replying post with : ".................."????

Don't think it means he isn't thinking it, though.

[Christmas]

Alright Future. If I offended you it is my bad and I :crying:apologize.:crying:.

I will change the name to my name if you want but the point is that you understand the moral of the story.

[Future Esthar]

No offense.Thanks for appologizing :cool:

[Christmas]

And if you dun mind answering my doubts on my post.

So, did you catch the gist of the story?

[Future Esthar]

I was just saying that the scene in which Squall and company falls and start to see mixed images as bubbles,sea ,birds,fishes,etc... was not Time Compression beggining.
It was just an hologram (or wall film) created to made them think it was time compression.


ANYONE can DRAW magic if they have a GF junctioned.


How do you know everytime magic is passed between sorceresses they don´t have a GF junctioned?Soon I will make a thread just about this.I will show there were many fallacies on the game concerning sorceress magic.

By the way if we don´t see something on the game it don´t means it was not thruth.

[Del Murder]

By the way if we don´t see something on the game it don´t means it was not thruth.
Perhaps, but let's just stick to discussing what actually happens in the game. We realize there are inifinte possibilities to what can be, but that is not what this forum is about.