So whats wrong with Raiden?

[Destai]

Besides the fact that hes not Snake?

[Rye]

I dunno, never played any other MG3 besides the 3, but don't you have to go around as him naked?

[Black Mage]

It's his damn hat. What is that, a cymbal?

Thunder God my ass.

[Rengori]

Metal Gear Solid Raiden, not Mortal Kombat Raiden. And yah, you do have to go around naked as Raiden.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

The real reason English-speaking people have so much contempt for Raiden is because of Quinton Flynn's voice acting. When it comes down to it, everyone would have been much more tolerant of the torso-axial jumps and the running around naked if Raiden had just sounded cooler.

Here (http://www.geocities.com/muni_shinobu/mg/topic/030122.html) are the details, courtesy of Muni Shinobu.

[Del Murder]

I don't even remember his voice. MGS without Snake is like 24 without Jack or Metroid without Samus.

[kikimm]

Metal Gear Solid Raiden, not Mortal Kombat Raiden.

It was a joke. And a funny one.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Raiden. He's cool with me.


:D

[Lionx]

Jet Force Raiden rocked D:

[Psychotic]

Besides the fact that hes not Snake?There goes my answer. Seriously. As a character he wasn't all that bad, but he really just wasn't as awesome as Snake.

[Erdrick Holmes]

Whiney, wussy, emo, a nude scene *shudder*, he's had no real combat experience that he wasn't aware of, and he's just not fit to be a soldier.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

he's had no real combat experience that he wasn't aware of,Actually, he has had real combat experience that he wasn't aware of. It was a pretty big plot point, really.

[nik0tine]

He's whiny and girly and he's a wimp. And he wasn't Snake.

[theundeadhero]

I just though he was a wuss, pretty much.

[BatChao]

I dunno why yall are calling him a wuss/wimp...I thought he was TOTALLY badass... I mean... the guy can cartwheel... WITH NO HANDS! How can he NOT be badass? I LOVED playing as Raiden... it was a damn cool change of pace. He wasn't all 'GRRR!!! I'M SNAKE AND HARDCORE!!!!' I liked his rookie-ness. But really, it all comes down to the cartwheel... badass in so many ways. A lot cooler than rolling, at least. Then the guy gets a freakin NINJA SWORD! And slices fools up ninja style! While Snake is whimping around with a gun, Raiden just guts the baddies up close and personal! And he has to do all this while hallucinating up a mad storm! And that's not all... he fights like 20 billion Metal Gears AT THE SAME TIME!! How many has Snake taken on at once? AND to top it off, his girlfriend is frickin' hot as hell. Now, if you go to someone on the street and describe all this to him, I'm thinking the guy would be like... 'THAT GUY SOUNDS FRICKIN' CRAZY AWESOME!' And that's because HE IS!

[Lionx]

Yeah snake sucked anyway. His hardcoreness didnt save him from this!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/239227

[Big D]

Think about all the crap he went through in the game... and how he soldiered on regardless. Wimp? Don't be ridiculous. Sure he complained and protested about it, but he kept fighting anyway.

Compare his amount of “complaining” to that of Snake in the original MGS.

Anyway, I felt that Quinton Flynn (Isaaru in FFX)’s acting was just fine. Believeable, fluent, captured the emotions well.

But then, it seems customary to despise any translation of any Japanese game, so there’s probably not much else I can add – except that some Japanese voice-actos are pretty poor, too. In the trailers for MGS1, the Ninja sounds like a robot from a bad 60s sci-fi, and most of the other characters have nearly identical voices – except for Liquid and Raven, who’re distinguished by the fact that Liquid’s voice is about an octave deeper than Raven’s.

Not everybody’s going to like every actor. Big whoop. Like him or not, think he was suited to it or not, it’s hard to deny that Flynn gave a skilled performance as Raiden.

[Rengori]

Yeah snake sucked anyway. His hardcoreness didnt save him from this!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/239227
I prefer this (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/232994).

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I guess it'd be more accurate to say that Quinton's acting isn't the real problem; it's his voice itself. There's something vaguely irritating about it. Nasal, maybe.

[Excelsior]

i think its funny when people call raiden a wimp and totally gay, when the fact is is that if raiden was real, he could kill you in 2 seconds flat and not even think twice about it. . and although raiden was whiny, you have to remember, HE FOUGHT 3 GIANT NUKLEAR EQUIPPED TANKS IN A ROW. id like to see anyone on this forum do that, all while not peeing there pants and crying. that being said, raiden is totally gay, and snake woops the pants off him and laughs at how wussy and homo raiden is. :greenie:

[Dreddz]

There was actually nothing wrong with Him
I think people just were immature and said he looked like a girl.....

[Maxico]

HE FOUGHT 3 GIANT NUKLEAR EQUIPPED TANKS IN A ROW.:

And that’s what you get for playing on easy. When I played through on extreme he had to beat 20 Metal Gears in a row. And technically they're not Nuclear equipped, Ray is the only Metal Gear without Nuclear capabilities.

[Jack]

Raiden was fine.

[Doomie]

Raiden was a good character, just not as good as Snake.

[Pure Strife]

Snake was a badass, battle-scarred, cigar smoking, grizzled war hero come ladies man. Raiden was the exact opposite. He was young, feminine, didn't really have many interesting traits to distinguish him from others in that mould, and was in a serious relationship. For everyone who loved MGS for the oppotunity to be a badass like Snake, Raiden was like a watered down beer afterwards.

I didn't mind Raiden, I thought he was an alright character. It was Rose who annoyed me with her incessant ramblings about the most irrelevant crap.

[Meat Puppet]

I heard he's pretty good in the sack.

[Old Manus]

Raiden has a girlfriend. Snake does not and hangs around with men with high pitched voices. Snake is obsessed with Gray Fox (man)

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Snake was a badass, battle-scarred, cigar smoking...Snake smokes cigarettes. It's Big Boss who smokes cigars.

[Lindy]

And Snake kept his in his stomach.

Hardkore.

I liked Raiden, he did just as much as Snake did in MGS, and then went one further with the HF Blade, taking on 24 Metal Gear Rays, three at a time. Sure, he didn't have the other Metal Gear's behind him, but he was still a good character, and I quite hope for more expansion on his character in MGS4.

And the whole aerial cartwheel while holding a gun.

[Wiegrahf42]

It's odd that people called Raidan "clueless" after Snake's "A Security camera"! shout and Big Boss repeating everything that people said to him in MGS3 (Virtous mission?) The sword and cartwheeling add +10 awesomeness. What I really hated was Rose.

[Lindy]

The security camera comment was due to the fact Snake hadn't encountered any cameras in previous Metal Gear games.

Snake is just as surprised as the player should be.

[Mercen-X]

The fact is that most gamers are actually
Whiny, wussy, emoand would prefer to be in the shoes of a tough guy like Snake to mask there own shortcomings. When they see a
Whiny, wussy, emoportrayed as the hero, it makes them feel worse about themselves because they know they could really be heroes but are just too damn lazy and scared to try in this reality.

Admittedly, I do not prefer Jack's voice actor. I'd prefer to not have had to endure the 'nude' scene. I love the Russian disguise and the katana. From the perspective of stealth preferences, Raiden's original outfit is pretty cool. From any other standpoint, not so much.

I don't understand how any can complain about not being Snake. When other games have sequels, people don't complain nearly as much that they're not playing as the same character. When movies have sequels, people don't complain as much that they don't have the same main character(s).

[UWAOOOOU]

What irritates me is the whole point of Raiden was to make Snake look even cooler which worked perfectly. Personally, I preffered the rookie role and I never realised there was anything wrong with the voice acting or voices themselves in the game.

[Lindy]

No, the point of Raiden was that players could identify more with the character, one who was fresh to the battlefield like they were, rather than a veteran like Snake.

It was nothing to do with making Snake look "cooler".

[UWAOOOOU]

No, the point of Raiden was that players could identify more with the character, one who was fresh to the battlefield like they were, rather than a veteran like Snake.

It was nothing to do with making Snake look "cooler".Well thats what Kojima said on the DVD that came with my copy of the game. He wanted to give the players a new perspective of Snake to make him look more impressive. Come ot think of it maybe it wasnt Kojima but someone important enough to get an intervew said that.

[Spammerman]

It's his damn hat. What is that, a cymbal?

Thunder God my ass.
lol, *plays drum joke sounds*

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

The security camera comment was due to the fact Snake hadn't encountered any cameras in previous Metal Gear games.

Snake is just as surprised as the player should be.Surveillance cameras were in both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

[Teek]

Here (http://www.geocities.com/muni_shinobu/mg/topic/030122.html) are the details, courtesy of Muni Shinobu.Thanks, Kishi. Sums up what I was going to say nicely.

[Lindy]

Surveillance cameras were in both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.
Ok, fine.

I think the squeaky sand, deadly poisonous hamsters, rooms full of guard statues, anti-strangling missiles, a NASA ninja, the worlds fastest mercenary, orphaned children and guards so stupid they think owls signify night, must have distracted me from that fact.

[Big D]

No, the point of Raiden was that players could identify more with the character, one who was fresh to the battlefield like they were, rather than a veteran like Snake.

It was nothing to do with making Snake look "cooler".Well thats what Kojima said on the DVD that came with my copy of the game. He wanted to give the players a new perspective of Snake to make him look more impressive. Come ot think of it maybe it wasnt Kojima but someone important enough to get an intervew said that.That's a good point - Raiden idolises Snake, in a way. So rather than having Snake as the lead character, whose eyes we see through, we instead get an external perspective on him - seeing what he looks like to other people. It also shows the kind of influence Snake has had on the world, even though he's always been a (largely) "unsung hero". A bit of recognition for all his hard work, you might say.

[Mercen-X]

The security camera comment was due to the fact Snake hadn't encountered any cameras in previous Metal Gear games.

Snake is just as surprised as the player should be.
No, the point was that MGS3 takes place before the previous games.

Americans (especially males) tend to hold a special place in their bile sac for effeminate men. Japanese might yet think the same of American macho men. The Japanese appreciate femininity so Raiden was an ideal character. The only disappointment Japanese fans apparently felt was toward not having the same character in the next game.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

What are you talking about? There were no cameras in MGS3. Snake makes that exclamation in MGS1.

[Mercen-X]

It's odd that people called Raidan "clueless" after Snake's "A Security camera"! shout and Big Boss repeating everything that people said to him in MGS3 (Virtous mission?).
Right, this quote threw me off. I haven't actually played MGS3.
But, according to you, his statement is still incorrect.

[Lindy]

That quote, if you read it properly states, Snake said "A security camera!" in MGS, and Big Boss repeated everything endlessly in MGS3.

When people talk about Snake, they're talking about Solid Snake, when they talk about MGS3 they always call him Big Boss, because that's what he is, he isn't Snake.

You're just misreading what he said.

[theundeadhero]

As far as security cameras go, they've been around since the original Metal Gear on the NES, which the PS games sequal to after Metal Gear II:Snakes Revenge.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

As far as security cameras go, they've been around since the original Metal Gear on the NES, which the PS games sequal to after Metal Gear II:Snakes Revenge.The main continuity goes MGS3 -> MG (MSX) -> MG2 -> MGS -> MGS2. Snake's Revenge and the NES version of Metal Gear have no place in it.

[theundeadhero]

Do the readable files on the MGS game not describe the events that take place in the NES games? Is not the ninja in MGS not the friend who was left to die at the end of Metal Gear II: Snake's Revenge.

While I haven't played all the way through Snakes Revenge, I think I remember the game leading you to believe that's who the ninja is. It always seemed to me that those readable files were previous missions that Snake had gone on before the mission in MGS and those files describe the NES missions.

I'm not sure what MG (MSX) or MG2 mean if they don't stand for the NES games.

[Meat Puppet]

I tried to play Metal Gear on NES once and some dogs killed me so I quit. True story.

[Big D]

In MGS, when Snake exclaims "a surveilance camera!?", I reckon it's pretty safe to assume this is just a heads-up to the player - so that the player knows what to look for. Kinda like when Big Boss is getting shot up in MGS3, and Para-Medic calls him to report that he's badly wounded. It's something that'd be plainly obvious in real life; but in a game's limited representation of reality, it sometimes takes more to get the point across.

Other examples include:
*Snake getting reminded how to fire a gun
*Ocelot describing how to resist torture ("Press the circle button repeatedly...")
*Para-Medic explaining how to eat food

[Maxico]

Do the readable files on the MGS game not describe the events that take place in the NES games? Is not the ninja in MGS not the friend who was left to die at the end of Meatl Gear II: Snake's Revenge.

While I haven't played all the way through Snakes Revenge, I think I remember the game leading you to believe that's who the ninja is. It always seemed to me that those readable files were previous missions that Snake had gone on before the mission in MGS and those files describe the NES missions.

I'm not sure what MG (MSX) or MG2 mean if they don't stand for the NES games.

Snakes Revenge was developed by a completly different team and holds no place in the Metal Gear story line.

Metal Gear WAS released on the NES but Metal Gear 2 wasn't. And the NES version of the original got a little messed up (Metal Gear is the blue screen of death?).

Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 were released on the MSX (a popular console in eastern countrys that was virtualy unknown over here)

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

MGS3: Subsistence is going to include both MG2 and the MSX version of MG, so you can set yourself straight when it's released.

[theundeadhero]

Oh, how I long for my wicked ways to end.

[Wiegrahf42]

In MGS, when Snake exclaims "a surveilance camera!?", I reckon it's pretty safe to assume this is just a heads-up to the player - so that the player knows what to look for.
Still, you have to love the hammy, melodramatic way he says it. Could have just muttered "Hey it's a camera, I should watch out" But he stands up and shouts at the evil contraption like it's Agent Smith. You half expect a guard to whip around and say, "Hey Johnny check out this imbecile"!

[KuRt]

He´s a young kid and doesn´t know what he´s doing. IE when you have to escort Emma at the "mine pipes", Raiden asks what to do. I guess everyone figured that maybe you could use a sniper rifle but no, Raiden has to call Snake...

[UWAOOOOU]

He´s a young kid and doesn´t know what he´s doing. IE when you have to escort Emma at the "mine pipes", Raiden asks what to do. I guess everyone figured that maybe you could use a sniper rifle but no, Raiden has to call Snake...I think that was pretty clearly to explain what to do to the player. Snake had to be told to find a sniper rifle in 1 and 3 in the exact same way.

[Ohhh]

I thought mgs2 was pretty poor compared to mgs and mgs3, i dont know whether thats because the main character wasnt called snake in mgs2, or whether mgs2 had a completely out of porportion extremely complicated storyline OR because mgs2 lacked a cool kickass female support character... anyway... i like raiden hair (oh ive just realised he looks like kadaj from AC) im goin way off topic so i'll stop now

[UWAOOOOU]

I thought mgs2 was pretty poor compared to mgs and mgs3, i dont know whether thats because the main character wasnt called snake in mgs2, or whether mgs2 had a completely out of porportion extremely complicated storyline OR because mgs2 lacked a cool kickass female support character... anyway... i like raiden hair (oh ive just realised he looks like kadaj from AC) im goin way off topic so i'll stop nowIt had Olga. I preferred Olga and Eva to Meryl.

The end of MGS3 was just as confusing as MGS2.

[Ohhh]

nah i actually UNDERSTOOD mgs3!!!!!!!!! yes i understood the twist and the entire story!!!!!!!!!! im so proud of myself :D :D :D :D and i understood it while my male friends didnt OH YEAH im good *dances*

[Big D]

MGS2's plot is weak because it's a deliberate re-hash of MGS. They invented a convenient excuse - the Patriots' S3 plan - which let them stage similar events in a similar environment. Kinda sad, but still a great game.

[UWAOOOOU]

MGS2's plot is weak because it's a deliberate re-hash of MGS. They invented a convenient excuse - the Patriots' S3 plan - which let them stage similar events in a similar environment. Kinda sad, but still a great game.MGS2 was about as similar to MGS1 as MGS3. The Cobras all seemed much more like Fox hound than dead cell like The end=Sniper Wolf, The sorrow= Psycho Mantis. It just seems unfair to suggest that as MGS2s flaw when as far as I can see theyve all done it to an extent and if I had to make a statement Id say MGS3 and 1 were more similar than MGS2 to either of them. The Patriots were just as much MGS3 as they were MGS2.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

It's not like they included all that MGS1 stuff in MGS2 out of a lack of creativity and then just made up the S3 Plan--you know, the entire backbone of the story--as an excuse for it.

[Big D]

It's not like they included all that MGS1 stuff in MGS2 out of a lack of creativity and then just made up the S3 Plan--you know, the entire backbone of the story--as an excuse for it.I know, but it still makes MGS2 a little weaker, in my opinion.

"Hey, this plot - the rebellion by a special forces group, the nuclear threat, the VIP hostages - is all exactly like it was in the last game. What's up with that?"

later

"Oh, it's MEANT to be exactly like it was in the last game. That's just dandy, then."

[Mercen-X]

That quote, if you read it properly states, Snake said "A security camera!" in MGS, and Big Boss repeated everything endlessly in MGS3.

When people talk about Snake, they're talking about Solid Snake, when they talk about MGS3 they always call him Big Boss, because that's what he is, he isn't Snake.

You're just misreading what he said.
Well no. That's wrong. The real problem is that I've only played Sons of Liberty/Substance. I've never played any other Metal Gear game so I really wasn't able to see that Snake made any exclamation in MGS1. I just assumed that since MGS3 was the only title mentioned
It's odd that people called Raidan "clueless" after Snake's "A Security camera"! shout and Big Boss repeating everything that people said to him in MGS3 (Virtous mission?)that that was the same game in which Snake had made the quote.