Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

I felt so many emotions whilst watching episode 2. Whilst I hated Joffrey, I will miss having him around to hate. Excellent acting from Jack Gleeson from the beginning to the end of his time on GoT. It's a shame he's giving up his acting career, but I figure he would be typecast as a bad guy for all eternity.

I watched the episode with people who haven't read the books and none of them picked up on the clues on the killers identity.

I'm really looking forward to the next episode and the aftermath. :excited:

(SPOILER)I'm guessing Shae didn't leave on the ship. When Tyrion was grilling Bronn, he did not confirm that he actually watched the ship leave - infact, he appeared to deflect the question. So he got her on the boat, but didn't actually see the boat leave...Or didn't get her on the boat at all - after all, he's a sellsword and Cersei and Tywin both have gold, too. And Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Perhaps we could have the same ending for her after all?

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this summary is also pretty nice

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(SPOILER)I'm guessing Shae didn't leave on the ship. When Tyrion was grilling Bronn, he did not confirm that he actually watched the ship leave - infact, he appeared to deflect the question. So he got her on the boat, but didn't actually see the boat leave? Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Perhaps we could have the same ending for her after all?

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re: and also possible future episode spoilerNot only that, Tywin leaned to Cersei and said she wanted Shae brought to his chambers. Obvious foreshadowing for folks who have read the books.

I doubt they'll be marrying anyone to anyone until they find out who's responsible for King Joffrey's death. At least, I would think. I know Cersei already pointed the finger at Tyrion and there's a trial coming but I like to think Tywin is much too smart to rule out the possibility that someone else was responsible for this. Especially considering the list of people who'd want Joffrey dead could fill up the sky, though the list of people who had the means to poison him at the time not so much. I'd use the trial as a front to make the real murderer think I'm off their trail.

Or maybe I'm giving Tywin too much credit because he's one of my favorite characters.

Except that pretty much everyone wants Tyrion dead, and here's the easy way to do it.

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Except that pretty much everyone wants Tyrion dead, and here's the easy way to do it.

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And this is why they have ants.

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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought of this.

Who else wants to see Dany versus Stannis for the Iron Throne?

No. smurf Stannis. I seriously think he's the worst character on the show/in the books. I don't even want him as an option. If we don't get a Dany and Jon Snow ending, this series has been for nothing.

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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought of this.

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Well, I'm sure that's what he was referring to.

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No. smurf Stannis. I seriously think he's the worst character on the show/in the books. I don't even want him as an option. If we don't get a Dany and Jon Snow ending, this series has been for nothing.

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I just want to see Stannis get eaten by a dragon.

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No. smurf Stannis. I seriously think he's the worst character on the show/in the books. I don't even want him as an option. If we don't get a Dany and Jon Snow ending, this series has been for nothing.

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I just want to see Stannis Daenerys get eaten by a dragon.

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Fixed :smug:

If you've learned anything about Game of Thrones by now it's that you don't get what you want.

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No. smurf Stannis. I seriously think he's the worst character on the show/in the books. I don't even want him as an option. If we don't get a Dany and Jon Snow ending, this series has been for nothing.

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I just want to see Stannis Daenerys get eaten by a dragon.

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Fixed :smug:

If you've learned anything about Game of Thrones by now it's that you don't get what you want.

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"If you think this story has a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention." -George R. R. Martin

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If you've learned anything about Game of Thrones by now it's that you don't get what you want.

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I wanted Joffrey to die.

Balls in your court.

Wanted to put "Cept, y'know, purple wedding".

Guess I should have.

^ I am going to contradict my post underneath this and just say I love your choice of avatar/signature set. Viserys was a brilliant character and I miss him dearly. I truthfully thought I was the only one.

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Yeah, tommen is the prize now, though the lawful monarch has always been Dany or if not her then Stannis.

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smurf that. The Targaryens lost all claim when Robert smashed their empire into oblivion. Tommen and Myrcella shouldn't have a claim either, since they are the spawn of incest, as was Joffrey, so obviously Stannis is the heir apparent. But when does logic play into things? It did with Eddard, and look how that went for him. Then again all of which I speak of was covered two seasons ago, so it's all in the past. Just like the Targaryen nonsense. It happened over 10 years ago folks. The Targaryens, the few that are alive (Dany, Aemon) need to get over it. Thankfully Aemon has, and Dany can't control a smurfing free city. So. Yeah. She can be Queen of Slaves in Meereen. Enjoy your dynasty, "your grace".

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No. smurf Stannis. I seriously think he's the worst character on the show/in the books. I don't even want him as an option. If we don't get a Dany and Jon Snow ending, this series has been for nothing.

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Up to ADWD and beyondHate Stannis all you want, but he's the only King-contender that has accomplished anything. Everybody else that is in contention is fiddling their thumbs, and hoping that the throne falls into their laps. It doesn't work that way. It isn't a contest. You have to get off your lazy arse and kill some :bou::bou::bou::bou:s. Stannis' biggest redeemable quality, to me, is that he takes the threat of the Others [White Walkers] seriously, unlike ANYBODY else.

Thank you :)

Stannis would have already taken the throne if it weren't for Tywin's men coming in at the last minute and saving everyone's asses. Seriously.

Stannis is the only person who I feel could successfully rule Westeros. Though he would have to abandon his Red God before the end, or he'll never get near the throne.

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Stannis is the only person who I feel could successfully rule Westeros. Though he would have to abandon his Red God before the end, or he'll never get near the throne.

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He is too easily manipulated when promised a certain amount of power. He's too bent on ruling with his own personal idea of honor, which is something nobody else can adhere to. So, yea. If he executed every other living person in Westeros he'd totally be the best king.

if stannis gets the throne it will be Mellisandre who actually rules..
just like Tywin actually ruled instead of Joffrey


funny pic, not a spoiler

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You know, the more I think about it the more I realize I have no idea who I'd want to be on the Iron Throne because I have no idea who'd make a fit ruler. I would have said Robert Stark because he seem to have a good head on his shoulders but he's kind of dead. And I don't think he wanted to be ruler of the Seven Kingdoms anyway, just King of the North.

Hey guys, the link provided shows a detailed map based on the characters placement at your demand via their location from either the chapter or episode you select at the top of the sliding bar.

Pretty interesting thing to use if you want to know where everyone is. :)

*http://quartermaester.info/

*got it from reddit

fan art lolhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/8d8002fc1...cxyio1_500.gif

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*looks at map* For the love of crap, Dany. YOU ARE GOING THE WRONG WAY!

I love this. Thanks for posting, Fonzie!

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I would have said Robert Stark because he seem to have a good head on his shoulders .

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tehehehehehehe

another funny pic
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my bf is the worst.. he is so bad with names that when i asked him about Arya he was like ''euuhh.. arya.. who was that again?''
me: '' she travels with The Hound''
he: '... . .. .. the hound?'

p.s as cool as that map is, it contains spoilers xD

It's easy enough to avoid spoilers since you decide where in the books/show you want to look.

yeah that was my bad, i just swooped that thing all the way to the right xD.
luckely i saw only 1 character :P

In other news, Jinx has introduced me to Game of Thrones Ascent.

Goodbye productivity.

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my bf is the worst.. he is so bad with names that when i asked him about Arya he was like ''euuhh.. arya.. who was that again?''
me: '' she travels with The Hound''
he: '... . .. .. the hound?'

p.s as cool as that map is, it contains spoilers xD

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Is my husband your boyfriend?? Drives me crazy because he always pauses to ask for clarifications, which would be fine if I didn't have to refer to every character by "the one who..."

HBO's #ripjoffrey video is fabulous:

Rob and I just watched part of the wedding scene again. "War is war, but killing a man at a wedding? Horrid."

OH DAT OLENNA

Sad/desperate jorah is my favorite.
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Jorah spammed.

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my bf is the worst.. he is so bad with names that when i asked him about Arya he was like ''euuhh.. arya.. who was that again?''
me: '' she travels with The Hound''
he: '... . .. .. the hound?'

p.s as cool as that map is, it contains spoilers xD

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Is my husband your boyfriend?? Drives me crazy because he always pauses to ask for clarifications, which would be fine if I didn't have to refer to every character by "the one who..."

HBO's #ripjoffrey video is fabulous:

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haha perhaps he lives a double life :P

hah, this vid is very typical. when a person dies all the sudden he is everybodies best friend

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Definitely Garrus.

Garrus. It makes Shorty look ridiculous.

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Garrus. It makes Shorty look ridiculous.

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Maergery Tyrell is way hotter in s.3 and 4. Girl got a makeover.

Some book discrepancy at PW. XD

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Meanwhile the people in the background are like, "Is he dead yet?"

"I think I see blood."

"How soon can we celebrate?"

"What a lovely ceremony."

"I'm leaving."

behold the ultimate mashup
Let It Go(T) - The "Game Of Thrones" And "Frozen" Mashup We Have Been Waiting For - 9GAG.tv

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egg

The bandana makes me think of Snake.

Snake Egg!

I guess Jaime really needed the caffeine.

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[from this behind-the-scenes video]

i don't....get it?

he's holding a coffee cup

with his right hand

His MISSING hand!


That's the rehearsal for the wedding so it wasn't actually in the show but still amusing.

Caffeine heals the disfigure!

hahhahahhahaha oh i c noa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phJb60y5wlE

I guess we can forgive how small the wedding appeared to be, considering they only shot it in 4 days. That's pretty remarkable.

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behold the ultimate mashup
Let It Go(T) - The "Game Of Thrones" And "Frozen" Mashup We Have Been Waiting For - 9GAG.tv

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waaaaatcchhh thhiiiissss :D

Late like Walder Frey, but Stannis rules, get out. That being said Tommen is the anti-Joffrey and will make an absolutely darling king. I would take him over Stannis, Dany and Balon Greyjoy any day of the week.

I think Tyrion would make a great king, lol.

This is from the previous episode, so I won't bother spoilering it.

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Looks like Jaime required coffee in order to sit through the wedding vows!

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I guess Jaime really needed the caffeine.

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This is from the previous episode, so I won't bother spoilering it.

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Looks like Jaime required coffee in order to sit through the wedding vows!

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Got the memo thanks :p

As stupid as some of you make Dany out to be, that move of throwing the collars at the walls was bloody smart, shame that Daario killed that warrior, I was hoping/expecting Drogan to make an appearance.

I guess Ramsey doesn't read the posts before his. :eep:

Tywin just talking about how bad joffery was while cersei is just morning over him and tywin's not giving a smurf.

Tywin man, he's tywinning. Dude knows how to play the game.

Littlefinger :argh:

Arya and the hound adventures are still entertaining.

I really liked dany's scene this episode.

I liked sams scenes, he's so adorkable.

Jaime just took what he wanted in front of his dead sons body. Like damn

Poor Pod, poor tyrion :(

Pretty weak episode, I think. But I'm glad it's setting up for that fight between the Mountain and Red Viper which looks to happen in the next episode. I'm looking forward to that the most.

I enjoyed Dany's speech too. These episodes feel way too short, man. Way too short.

I dont like how the Wildlings raiders are such assholes where as before they were killing to survive.

The adventures of Arya and the Hound are just wonderful.

I really like what they did with the Mereen establishing shot where they panned to a pyramid so you'd think "that's the big pyramid in the center of town" then they kept panning to an even biggger pyramid

I think they missed a golden opportunity (pun intended) to balance the boob to cock ratio on the show with the Mereen champion. It was a short part and the guy wears a helmet, surely they couldve found an actor willing to do nudity.

I can finally change back to my regular set whenever I want now. Which is half the reason I chose Dontos.

The Jaime/Cersei scene. Yeah... I don't think that's how it went in the books.

To say this episode is weak is being shortsighted. It is setting up episodes to come. We saw many great things, like the Wildlings/NW war brewing. None of the events that are coming would be as powerful as they are without this vital buildup. I know the typical TV audience fan just wants to see senseless violence and action, but I feel that GoT has that magical mixture of being able to carry an episode just with story and drama. It doesn't necessarily need action in order to thrive. Those that demand it need to calm their tits and enjoy the world class story-telling for what it is. The only downside to that episode was all the Sam/Gilly drama. I'm sorry, but I don't care about Gilly. She looks enough like a man that the Men of the Nights Watch probably don't give two farts about her. I know I wouldn't.

Highlight for me was Tywin grooming Tommen. I am glad they recasted Martin Lannister from the last season. He's absolutely fantastic as Tommen - even though book readers are probably livid that he's not fat. Get over it, guys. Not everything has to be 1000% authentic to the books. (Or perhaps you should bitch that Dany isn't a 13 year old girl while you're at it?) I also loved the Tyrion and Pod scene. A Feast for Crows spoilerI can't wait to see Pod become Brienne's squire. Those two are a match made in heaven, I can see it now.

Dany was surprisingly bearable, but that is the show trying to make her more interesting than book Dany. I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs. Say what you will about Viserys being a pompous fool, but if he had three dragons and the army he clamored for, he would have gotten trout DONE. Or he would have died trying. But I guarantee you it would be more interesting than watching Dany slowly digest herself into a power contender. Right now she's just a fool. I hate the stupid little swagger she had on her horse. I hate how she thinks that she's "the mother of dragons" when she can't even tame any of them. She's a bigger pretender than Renly was when he hosted that ridiculous tourny in Season 2, after he declared himself King. People just think she's worth a damn because of the manpower that she has behind her. And her digital pets, naturally. Take them away, and she's what she was when Viserys was still alive. Frail, weak, uncertain, awkward.
She only got stronger as a leader when she got married to Drogo. And then she killed him. And got their baby killed. That's her history right there. Nothing but failure.

People hate Viserys because he was a :bou::bou::bou::bou: to Dany, but I loved him because he saw the big picture. He knew dinning with the Dothraki was a waste of smurfing time, and it IS. He would take those dragons and conquer Westeros like Aegon the Conqueror once did. Dany, meanwhile, is content to taking her sweet time and running these Slave cities and being their mothers. I guess not everyone is built from the same cloth as Rhaegar the Dragon Prince.

A rather tame setup episode, but that's fine since last week had a major plot twist. As long as it is setup-twist-setup-twist-etc. and not 7 straight setup episodes then I'm fine with it.

So I guess Littlefinger was behind the assassination? Kind of convenient that he had his man there to take Sansa away to the mysterious ship he had waiting offshore. Wouldn't be the first time he framed Tyrion. In fact, he was probably behind the assassination attempt on Bran way back in season 1.

Just when I was starting to like Jamie he goes and rapes his sister in front of his dead son's body. I know tragedies make people horny, but still wtf.

Also I think she's smart taking in slaves. Everyone knows people who have it the hardest will also fight the hardest as proven by decades of amazing boxers.Anyway, Viserys is a total tool bag trying to pimp his sister out and claiming he's immune to fire when he wasn't. He deserved what he got. Anyone who tries to pimp me out will meet the same fate.

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A rather tame setup episode

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* Boat murder
* Brother/sister incest
* ...rape
* ...in a church
* ...next to their son's corpse
* Orgy
* Robbery-assault
* "Too many rapers around here, maybe you should go live in this brothel"
* Peasant massacre
* Cannibalism
* Horse murder
* Decapitation
* Peeing competition

This show has done a lot to redefine what we think of as tame...

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Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum

She looks enough like a man that the Men of the Nights Watch probably don't give two farts about her. I know I wouldn't.

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This is a world where the media hasnt perpetuated a standardised idea of beauty into the subconciousnesses of people and the some of these men of the Nights Watch havent seen a pair of tits (or a single tit) in decades.

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Just when I was starting to like Jamie he goes and rapes his sister in front of his dead son's body. I know tragedies make people horny, but still wtf.

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inorite?

What the hell is with this show turning consensual sex scenes into rape?

Yeah that Jaime scene was smurfed up, didn't like it at all. Alright Dany you are sort of a badass in the show. Sort of. And Pod. What a guy. Love Pod. Pod for King. King Pod.

Also RIP the world's best potato boiler :(

yeah, lets just put Pod on the iron throne :3
this episode was way too short for my feeling, i was all in the scene where dany attacks the city and all the sudden... end credits

For what it's worth the scene was at best debatably consensual in the books too, only in the books it's more Cersei arguably forcing herself on Jaime. That doesn't make the change any more acceptable however.

random GOT picture is random

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I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs.

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I dont think she's freeing slaves just because she wants to form an army. She is freeing slaves because at her core she is against slavery.

Would you say Lincoln trying to free slaves was a waste of time?

I also dislike the church rape scene but I think they did it because books, 3rd, 4th and 5thIt gives Cersei a reason to hate Jaime besides "she's just a bitch" which makes the audience build sympathy towards her as the show seems to want to make character motives more black and white and less morally ambiguous

The episode's director is trying to explain that it really wasn't rape:

Review: Game of Thrones - Breaker of Chains: Uncle deadly?

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle. Nobody really wanted to talk about what was going on between the two characters, so we had a rehearsal that was a blocking rehearsal. And it was very much about the earlier part with Charles (Dance) and the gentle verbal kidnapping of Cersei's last living son. Nikolaj came in and we just went through one physical progression and digression of what they went through, but also how to do it with only one hand, because it was Nikolaj. By the time you do that and you walk through it, the actors feel comfortable going home to think about it. The only other thing I did was that ordinarily, you rehearse the night before, and I wanted to rehearse that scene four days before, so that we could think about everything. And it worked out really well. That's one of my favorite scenes I've ever done."

I feel like when a director claims that what the audience saw and heard wasn't actually what happened, they've pretty much failed.

That explanation honestly just makes me judge them even more :colbert:

edit: "Not If They Enjoyed It" Rationalization - Television Tropes & Idioms

you expect to hear characters saying this kind of trout but hearing a director say it is particularly appalling

Although it was the same in the book. She said no cause "what if a sept sees" but it doesn't seem as bad as it was from James perspective.


The thing to remember about all these characters is that they may seem nice and likeable in some instances but really, they are all detestable. The hound with arya. Jaime with cersei. The wildlings.

Pod is not detestable :colbert:

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The thing to remember about all these characters is that they may seem nice and likeable in some instances but really, they are all detestable. The hound with arya. Jaime with cersei. The wildlings.

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Of course they are detestable. Most of them are Lords or Ladies who think more highly of themselves than they should, or good people who are put in horrible situations so they have no choice but to be not good anymore. For the most part, they're just people stuck in a horrible environment in a horrible world. You try being an angel in Westeros.

Even without all that though: people suck. That's the biggest takeaway from this series.

I think Dany will get eaten by her dragons.

Pulling a line from ToriJ*shot*

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A rather tame setup episode

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* Boat murder
* Brother/sister incest
* ...rape
* ...in a church
* ...next to their son's corpse
* Orgy
* Robbery-assault
* "Too many rapers around here, maybe you should go live in this brothel"
* Peasant massacre
* Cannibalism
* Horse murder
* Decapitation
* Peeing competition

This show has done a lot to redefine what we think of as tame...

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I meant tame as in plot relevance. Only the boat scene and the forming of tyrion's judges really moved things forward.

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His face is so....

"oh.. oh... the moment i've been waiting f-- damn girl."

When it comes to stories, once I like someone i'm in it for the long haul. And nothing they do will make me stop liking them.

Jaime Lannister fan for life.

Love Dany.

Love Pod.

Love Tyrion.

Love Arya.

Hound WTF.

Ygritte WTF.

JAIME WTF.

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Pod is not detestable :colbert:

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See this guy knows what's up.

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Pod is not detestable :colbert:

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See this guy knows what's up.

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Wow, I'm whole-heartedly agreeing with Paul and Hux, what is my life coming to?

So, Tommen is already a better king that Joffrey. Go figure.

The Cersei/Jaime scene was very uncomfortable. I don't remember it being rape in the books, but you guys all say it was. And yeah, no, if the director didn't intend for it to be rape, the line deliverance and blocking should've been done differently. (S)he keeps talking about all of the thought that went into the blocking, but I don't agree.

Okay okay okay. Dare I say it? I'm really starting to root for Dany. I still wouldn't say that Emilia Clarke is great, but she's getting better. I don't know if whoever directed that scene was able to pull something out of her that hasn't been pulled out before, but this is hands down the best she's ever been. Also, new Daario is much better than old Daario. Poor horsey, though. :(

And all of Sandor and Arya shenanigans are a very wonderful addition from the book. Love it.

Stannis is still boring the trout out of me.


Noctis Caelum, two things:

First, if you think that rape is completely about sex and lust, I really suggest you read up on it and educate yourself. Regardless of whether or not Gilly is attractive (and I think Hannah Murray is beautiful, although admittedly her makeup is meant to make her look rough), out of that many men--many of who are rapists--she would be in danger. Rape is a struggle and an exercise in gaining power over another person. Regardless of whether or not sexual gratification is had from that, sexual desire isn't the same as it is with consensual sex. You shouldn't mix up the two. And also, victims of abuse and rape often deal with more than just one abuse situation in their lives. I find your comment very offensive, or at the least very ignorant of what rape really is.

Secondly, I really don't think you understand what Dany is doing with the slaves at all. Besides just doing the RIGHT thing--really, she's kind of the only person who's acting in a way that isn't completely selfish--when she DOES finally go to Westeros, she's going to have a ton of people who are loyal to her and who are willing to fight for her. Even if they aren't a trained army, she's going to have an insane amount of supporters, and that in turn will make it harder for those who would fight her to fight.

I thought the Jaime/Cersei scene was consensual in the books, too, so the show's version threw me off. Cersei kept saying no to his advances--not playfully, not with some sex vocal inflection (idk how to words)--so I assumed it was a rape. Like Jinx said, I think that, if the director didn't mean for it to come off as a rape, the blocking and line deliverance should have been done differently.

BTW, GRRM responded to fans about it.


Anyway, other show bits to comment on:

+ The Pod/Tyrion scene gave me feelings.
+ The Hound and Arya have a pretty cool dynamic.
+ I wish Oberyn and Ellaria were both in my bed. :<
+ The arrow suddenly making its appearance in that little potato/family scene gave me a chuckle.
+ I like Davos a lot more than Stannis.
+ Dany is not my favorite character (but she's somewhere in the middle for me), but that last scene was cool. Her army was a lot bigger than I thought.
+ Daario's part was cool.

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Dany was surprisingly bearable, but that is the show trying to make her more interesting than book Dany. I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs. Say what you will about Viserys being a pompous fool, but if he had three dragons and the army he clamored for, he would have gotten trout DONE. Or he would have died trying. But I guarantee you it would be more interesting than watching Dany slowly digest herself into a power contender. Right now she's just a fool. I hate the stupid little swagger she had on her horse. I hate how she thinks that she's "the mother of dragons" when she can't even tame any of them. She's a bigger pretender than Renly was when he hosted that ridiculous tourny in Season 2, after he declared himself King. People just think she's worth a damn because of the manpower that she has behind her. And her digital pets, naturally. Take them away, and she's what she was when Viserys was still alive. Frail, weak, uncertain, awkward.
She only got stronger as a leader when she got married to Drogo. And then she killed him. And got their baby killed. That's her history right there. Nothing but failure.

People hate Viserys because he was a :bou::bou::bou::bou: to Dany, but I loved him because he saw the big picture. He knew dinning with the Dothraki was a waste of smurfing time, and it IS. He would take those dragons and conquer Westeros like Aegon the Conqueror once did. Dany, meanwhile, is content to taking her sweet time and running these Slave cities and being their mothers. I guess not everyone is built from the same cloth as Rhaegar the Dragon Prince.

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Hahaha what even is this. You could have given Viserys command of every armed man, woman, and child from Lonely Light to Asshai and he couldn't have conquered the village the Wildlings overran in this episode. Khal Drogo didn't deny him the army because he didn't want to uphold his agreement, he denied him because he knew Viserys was an utterly incompetent megalomaniac that would have got most of his men killed.

Dany has come to understand the importance of patience and of building up a solid base before acting. If she ran off to Westeros all half-cocked now half her men would be dead of disease before she arrived and any decent band of archers or crossbowmen could destroy her dragons. They're growing larger and more powerful but they are still whelps. She's conquering Slaver's Bay because she's found something to actually believe in beyond her own aspirations of power, and that's exactly why she's so effective and powerful. She has command of thousands and respect of even more, and she can put the resources of several entire cities to work now.
Remember what Tywin was saying about wisdom? Dany's developed a lot and is developing more, and it shows.

When the time comes for her to assault Westeros and take her rightful place on the throne (Hopefully married to Pod and with Arya as Hand) she's going to be able to do so from a position of power, not weakness. Waiting too long would be a problem, yes, but that point has far from arrived.

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So, Tommen is already a better king that Joffrey. Go figure.

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Joffrey didn't really set the bar all that high.

That said, having spoiled myself on some book details I'm looking forward to how the TV show develops Tommen from this point onward.

Edit: Dany played a lot of RTS games.

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i dont know why. its not that i hate him or something like that, but for some season he just doesnt fit in for me :l

The worst part about recasting Tommen to be so much older?

NO KITTENS :(

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...what?

Did... did Tyrion tell Pod to take that knighthood? What a bro. This sink's sinking buddy, might as well move on up. And he says Tywin knows how to make use of family tragedies.

Cannot believe anybody thinks Tyrion poisoned Joffrey though. Give the man some credit. He would be halfway to Essos by the time Joffrey died if he wanted it done.

I enjoyed the episode, except the Jaime/Cersei scene. I really didn't think they would do that scene in the show, given Jaime has been back for a while, whereas in the books, this is the first time he sees Cersei upon arriving back in KL. Totally smurfed up regardless, but I certainly didn't see this as rape in the book.

Part of this scene in the book - NSFW"“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined."

I was disappointed with this scene. This is the same Jaime who saved Brienne from being raped. Book stuffAnd the same Jaime who had some of his own men killed for raping women.

It does, however, serve as a good reminder that Jaime can be a monster. After all, he did push a child from a window.

I love Pod. I still like Dany. Unlike others, I've never particularly disliked her. I think Oberyn is great.

Oberyn is awesome! I didn't care for him in the books, but he's great in the show! Can we all agree he and Ellaria are the sexiest couple on this show? Yes, I thought we all could.

Yeah I love Oberyn and Ellaria, they're totally awesome.

Dorne can turn out some seriously ice cold burn deliverers I guess!

This might sound strange, but Oberyn and Ellaria have made the needless and gratuitous sex fresh again. Before it was kind of getting boring, honestly.

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You just liked seeing Oberyn smack that guy's ass. ;) Dirty animal.

Whoa, holy trout, the scene with Jaime and Cersei smurfing in the sept. With how much she was resisting and saying no, it was disturbing for him to be so insistent. Definitely seemed like rape to me. book stuff about this sceneIs there a reason they couldn't have done it like in the book? I don't see a good one. It was done to either show how overcome with grief Cersei was that she couldn't even manage it in herself to consent to smurfing Jaime - something they both almost killed a little boy over, or to show how enamored with Cersei Jaime is and that he will do absolutely anything to have her. I believe this will be made clear when Tyrion speaks with him about calling him for a witness, in which he will most likely decline to testify for him based on his want for Cersei. (I forgot what happened in the book or if this even happened in the book, this is non-book referenced speculation)

I am conflicted about my feelings for Arya. Lately, half the time I find her an annoying little tripe, half the time I think she's alright. The Hound remains to be one of my favorites, as does Jaime, despite the sister-rape.

I liked the talk between Tywin and Oberyn. Both of Tywin's scenes were my favorites of this episode - this one and his one speaking to Tommen.

Farewell to Pod made me sad :(

I find it a bit off that Alliser asked Jon Snow for his opinion with what to do about the wildlings and the wall, considering how contemptuous he generally acts toward him.

Seems I'm feeling differently about Danaerys than most people now! I have been somewhat of a supporter of Danaerys throughout this show, but I am reaching my limit for how tolerable I feel like she is. She's too bullheaded and annoying for her own good. Cocky, I guess you could say. Meereen was just beautiful, though! Those statues beside the gates were amazing. book spoilerI am quite sad that they cut out a ton of stuff from the books at this part, because I thought it was all pretty interesting. Felt like they skipped out a lot of details that happened. I liked the battle between Daario and the Meereen champion, though. Sweet stuff! (poor horse D: )! I like Daario a lot.

Kindof a poor note to end on with the ending shot. Felt anticlimactic. I agree with Del Murder on plot advancement - could have gone better, I think. Still, an okay episode.

I have hope for King Tommen!

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This is where you're wrong. It is completely selfish, because she knows that by freeing the slaves, they will support her and she will have the army she needs. You could make the argument that they are free and could leave at any time they want, but if she thought they would actually do that, I do not believe she would be using this method as her strategy. If she did think they would leave her, I am quite certain that she would just buy an army to do her bidding for her if she were able because her number one goal is to reclaim the throne in Westeros by any means necessary, slaves or no slaves. Is her method kinder to the once-slaves and is it a better life for them? Yes. Better intentions, sure, but she is still using them for personal gain, which makes it selfish.

Just saw the episode. I really enjoyed it if only for the Tywin scenes and Tyrion's scene. Those made this episode for me. The stuff with Littlefinger was already spoiled with me by someone from work who had just gotten it spoiled for him by reading it online.

RIP potato guy.

Damn, I found the perfect sig, but it has loads of naughty language :/

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Speaking of Meereen!

In the opening credits the Harpy statue is MUCH better this season. Last season it opened its wings really quickly, and now they have it opening its wings slowly and to the music. That bothered me, so I'm glad they changed it.

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I certainly interpreted the sex in the book as consensual. Rereading it now I don't know how it could be read otherwise, unless you factor in POV.

What made Jaime such a fantastic character in the books is his redemption. Westeros is full of reprehensible folk, and Jaime is certainly one of them, but the argument of "oh well he did it because people are bad and do bad things even when you don't expect it" isn't satisfactory. In a world like this there is also room for the reprehensible to redeem themselves, and Jaime was one of those characters. By trampling all over his character development like this, they've reduced him to another one of the purely grey characters. In Westeros there are "good" characters (Pod), there are "bad" characters (Ramsay or Euron), the many "grey area" characters, and those who travel between these three distinctions. In the books, Jaime starts from the bottom and slowly works his way up, making him more fascinating. Now he's been (seemingly) taken down a few pegs again. It reminds me of Vikings, a show I want to like but can't get into because there's never any real permanent character development. The characters literally do the exact same things over and over again, and so any "development" means less and I end up not caring about what anyone is doing.

I just hope they had a good reason for changing this, and that it wasn't just a cheap dramatic ploy. The writers/show runners are usually pretty on the ball. Their reputation is the only reason my hope isn't wavering right now.

I have yet to watch the third episode, so I'm not aware of how gratuitous and rapey it might come off. However, I have read quite a bit about the scene in question, from both sides, and I have come to the conclusion that only one thing needs to be taken into account:

Currently, the majority of characters in the show are, essentially, alternate reality versions of those in the book. Enough things have gone on in the show that differ from the book that the characters are no longer growing the same way, nor are events becoming realized in the same way or even at the same time. Comparing the characters in the show with the characters in the book, or vice versa, is something that should no longer occur on a grand scale because this. While this does not necessarily excuse the fact that the scene could have been portrayed better, it does excuse the notion that it was somehow portrayed incorrectly. Show Jaime, like all Show Characters, are experiencing things differently than their book counterparts and so a lot of things have to be changed in order to make sense of that.

The emotions and actions of the characters in the show are not completely decided by the writers of each individual episode and the characters in the book now only serve as general guidelines and rough outlines to how each character should act. The show is growing into its own completely separate entity from the books and, while they will still share a significant amount of things in common, I think it is extremely silly to keep judging the actions of characters in the show to their book counterparts.

Needs more Bran and Jojen I'm-23-in-Real-Life-Somehow Reed. I can't open my Tumblr dashboard without seeing tons of gifs of Tyrion and Dany. Like, they take a step forward and there's 10 panels of carefully crafted gifs for it. Let some others in there!

The problem is you're on Tumblr.

No way, the indignant rage over every issue possible is way too much fun to read. Besides, I do get some fun stuff in there sometimes. Olenna Tyrell deserves to be immortalized. I'd watch a whole spin-off series where she just waltzes around King's Landing talking to everyone.

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Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

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Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

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My friend and I found it odd. But nothing to discuss over and over again...

Every episode I find myself falling further in love with Sansa. God Sophie Turner is beautiful.

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Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

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I don't think the scene is terrible for the context of the show but it's not surprising that many are upset that the show is becoming less of an adaptation and more like fanfiction. The stories they want to tell just aren't as interesting or nuanced as the source material, as Kalevala explained so well on the previous page.

Anyone who expected a completely faithful adaptation when this was announced doesn't know a lot about book-to-movie or book-to-television adaptations.

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Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

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I don't think the scene is terrible for the context of the show but it's not surprising that many are upset that the show is becoming less of an adaptation and more like fanfiction. The stories they want to tell just aren't as interesting or nuanced as the source material, as Kalevala explained so well on the previous page.

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and that is why i first watch the show, and read the books after it

^ not gonna lie, a part of me envies you!

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I know you're smart enough to understand what a really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking. that is. No one has critiqued the show for not being "completely faithful."

Except a significant amount of the critiques of that one particular scene, perhaps not on this site, have lead with a complaint that it isn't how it was in the book. As are most complaints about how the story lines in the show are progressing. Plenty of people are critiquing the show for not being completely faithful or knocking it for deviating even slightly for the source material. Just as it is receiving praise for deviating from the books.

My complaint is not necessarily that it wasn't like it was in the book, it's that the scene in the show was really weird and bizarre. When you compare it to the book scene - which was much better - you wonder why they made the choices they did.

In the book, (SPOILER)wasn't this scene the first time Cersei and Jaime were reunited after being apart for a long time? I think the book scene makes more sense in that context; they're happy to see each other again. In the show, they've been together for a while, and had a lot of time to get over being happy to see each other. Cersei has been through a lot of stuff on her own, like that whole Stannis battle, losing her son to Margaery, losing a lot of her influence thanks to her father taking over, being married off to Loras, watching her son die. All this while Jaime is off being captured and having his hand chopped off. Then he shows up all gross and dirty missing an arm, unable to fight any longer. He failed to be there for her when she needed him, and he also failed to protect Joffrey even when he returned. It makes sense that she might not be his biggest fan in the show.

Meanwhile Jaime has lost pretty much everything. Cersei is all he has left, and she was turning away from him. Considering how despicable both characters are and what they've been through, the scene in the show made sense to me.

Basically, I think people are still harking back to a nicer, kinder Jaime when we were seeing that lovable comedy duo of 'The Adventures of Brienne and Jaime'.

Oh, and also, I've finally made my GoT set! I hope it's decent. I really can't do sets very well.

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In the book, (SPOILER)wasn't this scene the first time Cersei and Jaime were reunited after being apart for a long time? I think the book scene makes more sense in that context; they're happy to see each other again. In the show, they've been together for a while, and had a lot of time to get over being happy to see each other. Cersei has been through a lot of stuff on her own, like that whole Stannis battle, losing her son to Margaery, losing a lot of her influence thanks to her father taking over, being married off to Loras, watching her son die. All this while Jaime is off being captured and having his hand chopped off. Then he shows up all gross and dirty missing an arm, unable to fight any longer. He failed to be there for her when she needed him, and he also failed to protect Joffrey even when he returned. It makes sense that she might not be his biggest fan in the show.

Meanwhile Jaime has lost pretty much everything. Cersei is all he has left, and she was turning away from him. Considering how despicable both characters are and what they've been through, the scene in the show made sense to me.

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George R.R. Martin actually said the same thing about it in a comment for an unrelated blog post. I felt the same way and I honestly do agree with Bunny that the fan blanket reaction to any deviation is arbitrary. I actually think A LOT of the book deviations have been pretty good but as a whole, they have been pretty hit or miss. This one just happened to be a miss. A very creepy, cringe-worthy miss. Maybe that was the point, though.

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This sums up my position as well. I don't want anyone to think I'm just being a spoiled fan. It isn't that I didn't like the deviation. I would have had issues with it even if it were the source material.

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Except a significant amount of the critiques of that one particular scene, perhaps not on this site, have lead with a complaint that it isn't how it was in the book. As are most complaints about how the story lines in the show are progressing. Plenty of people are critiquing the show for not being completely faithful or knocking it for deviating even slightly for the source material. Just as it is receiving praise for deviating from the books.

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The complaint isn't so much that the story isn't an on-screen version of the books, but that some of the changes have been bad. They have great source material to work from, and when they change the spirit of a scene it's perfectly reasonable to criticize it as a good choice or a bad choice. Making Arya Tywin's cup bearer--good choice. Knocking down pretty much all the sympathy they've built for Jaime as a character by having him outright rape his sister--bad choice.

That said, it seems like the director was going for consensual sex and just failed to translate it to the audience. While he meant her clutching hand to be her giving in, we saw it as a sign of distress. Which is a bummer because, as smurfed up as that scene is, in the book is gave great insight to the dynamic of those characters, while in the show it just seemed smurfed up for the sake of being smurfed up.

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It was done to either show how overcome with grief Cersei was that she couldn't even manage it in herself to consent to smurfing Jaime - something they both almost killed a little boy over, or to show how enamored with Cersei Jaime is and that he will do absolutely anything to have her.

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I think it's the latter, although both are pretty good speculations.

It was a smurfed up scene even if it was consensual. These are smurfed up characters doing smurfed up things in a smurfed up world. That's all there is to it.

I'm fearing for Tyrion right now. I feel like his storyline is 'winding to a close' and that terrible things await him. :( I hope he manages to wiggle his way out of this one but I'm not so sure. I'm sure most of you already know his fate but I'm only halfway through A Storm of Swords and that means I have like 5,000 pages left to read before I catch up with it.

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"She totally wants it. Just look at the way she's clutching her hand" is a worse rape line than "look at what she's wearing"
I cant imagine anyone who thinks this.

Anyway what I dont like is that now I cant say to an exclusive show watcher "I really like Jaime Lanister" without having to explain how he isn't a rapist.

Even though this was a couple episodes back, who can't resist the Hound with his chickens?

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I can't wait till next episode just so the controversy is forgotten about for awhile. I'm excited about Dany's storyline now, for once. Didn't think I'd be saying that.

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It is the Night's King, the show synopsis says it.

How's it feel book readers, to have the show spoil the future books for you?

Shoe is on the other foot now.

Well that was awesome.

That was an intense episode, although the beginning was kind of a drag with how the last episode ended but all in all an hour well spent. Once again the ending credits tend to sneak up on me as I keep expecting there to be more.

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Damn, forgot all about that.

Yea it happened at the end of season 3 and i just forgot the scene. I thought they were still south of the wall at the start of season 4.

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Hahahaha oh man is that who that was?

Pretty surprised they made it blindingly obvious who did Joffrey in so soon. A bit of mystery and intrigue would've been fun. Great episode though!

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Excellent episode! The bit at the end was a bit uncomfortable, but awesome!

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Hodor... :(

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That part actually made me very sad. I usually identify my brother with Hodor (in terms of mental ability and his size kind of), and it sort of felt like I was watching him instead. D:

Yeah that part was not cool :(

Yeah, really unexpected. Writers definitely trying to generate some heel heat for the deserters!

I am also starting to think that Bran and Jon will reunite at some point in the future. Possibly later during this season. This show has certainly gone off the route of the books.

Loved the bit with Jaime/Brienne/Pod. I just want to watch the three of them having adventures :(

Oh yeah how could I forget to comment on HELL YEAH PODRIENNE (coining it here and now) and awww hodor :(

Thrilled for the debut of Ser Pounce.

its funny, my boyfriend said (pretending to have already watched it but to obvious didnt) that Hodor would get killed and seeing Hodor being picked on i was certain that my boyfriend had cursed him by saying that :l i was afraid he would actually die

i think the whole scene from Bran getting behind the wall, and Sam telling Jon, has been erased from the memorie of the audiance :l how did they do that?

Sam and Gilly came up through the well at the Nightfort when Bran & Co. were camping there. The well leads to a secret passage that goes under the wall. I don't think they went into much detail about it.

Interesting change from the books in relation to this
I find it curious that Coldhands hasn't made an appearance yet. Sam leading Bran & Co. behind the wall using the Night's Watch oath, and Coldhands not being able to go with, are good examples of the magical properties of the wall, which I think have been largely ignored by the show so far. That part is no major deal, but I do hope they won't scrap Coldhands entirely, at least. He's certainly a unique and likely important character.

'Game of Thrones' hits biggest rating yet after controversy | Inside TV | EW.com

Just watched the episode just now, and here are my random assorted thoughts on it:

• Overall, a very solid episode. I liked the middle section the best, in Kings Landing. I thought that flowed very seamlessly.
• Finally, Bran's storyline hits home. After what has practically been him just travelling, now I actually feel somewhat involved with him and the others. I still can't help but feel largely ambivalent towards Jojen. He's either silently observing any interactions, or seizing. I like Meera more, personally. But you have to feel sorry for Hodor! That bit was tragic.
• In the same vein, I actually forgot about Ghost. I did wonder where Jon's direwolf went to.
• Dany's bit was basically just her taking over Mereen. In a way, I'm slightly underwhelmed. I mean, Mereen was built up as the largest of the Slave Cities, the last one Dany needed to take. The previous episode had a great scene with the Champion and Daario. How exciting, I thought, only to then in the next one have Mereen taken over in the space of ten minutes, even less so. I did like the sneaky way they did it, but... meh. I was expecting more resistance from Mereen. Now that Dany has all three cities, I wonder what's next. We shall see.
• Like the others, looking forward to Pod and Brienne become our new travelling companions.
• Cersei is deteriorating. I particularly liked how the camera focused solely on her whilst she drunk her wine; probably showing a problem with alcohol there. Can't help but wonder if that was spurred on my the events in the Sept.
• Talking about the Sept, I'm surprised with how it was virtually forgotten about. Cersei and Jaime sort of carry on as if it never happened. And Jaime is back to his usual, cheerful, friendly, 'changed man' self. I'm not sure about that one.
• We practically know who did it now. Littlefinger, and Olenna. Littlefinger admitted it to Sansa, while Olenna gave a pretty huge hint. I loved how she fondled with Margarey's necklace as well during her scene: cute touch.
• The scene with Tommen and Margarey was interesting. It was pretty funny, actually. I think Margarey was acting on Tommen's sort of pre-pubescent adolescence there, which is pretty clever. And the bit with Ser Pounce was cute. I like now how Tommen is getting more screen-time. The actor who plays him isn't half bad.
• I don't think the Craster's Mutineers could have been portrayed as subtle, to be honest. It sounds pretty cheap, but I think the 'full on evil' get-up is probably the best option for them. The whole hostage situation now will be very interesting to watch now that Jon is marching on the keep.
• Also, I can't help but feel I've seen that Locke guy before. Someone remind me who he is. I think he's a baddie, but I can't remember.
• Finally, I like the White Walkers bit at the end. Gives us a bit more about them without revealing too much.

All in all, very excited for the next episode!

Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

Now I imagine the entire Others army as Craster's former sons. Quite a disturbing mental image, ain't it?

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"She totally wants it. Just look at the way she's clutching her hand" is a worse rape line than "look at what she's wearing"
I cant imagine anyone who thinks this.

Anyway what I dont like is that now I cant say to an exclusive show watcher "I really like Jaime Lanister" without having to explain how he isn't a rapist.

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Yeah, that scene was supposed to be about their smurfed up power dynamic, but it turned out just to be a plain ol' rape scene. But I want to love Jaime, dammit!

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Pretty surprised they made it blindingly obvious who did Joffrey in so soon. A bit of mystery and intrigue would've been fun. Great episode though!

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Agreed, although I can certainly see the point in making things more in-your-face for the show. In a few episodes' time a lot of non-readers (not all, I know, but many) will be all "King Geoffrey? Who's that again?".

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The show keeps cheating us out of my favorite surprises from the books. First, Ser Barriston traveling with Dany. Then Theon's fate. Then who killed Joffrey. Then Podrick, who, in the books, was assumed to probably not be scene again and then met up with Brienne on the road so I clutched my book like "Yay, it's Podrick!... though I am excited for more Podrick.

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Thrilled for the debut of Ser Pounce.

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Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

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I want to see little White toddlers running around playing freeze tag!

The way they're taking the show is kind of dumb. Meh.

Tommen's about to lose his V-card btw.

I second Formy saying that Dany's taking Meereen was actually pretty anti-climactic after the build-up of last episode. I did enjoy seeing the slavemasters basically get crucified, though. That was cool.

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He cut off Jaime's hand.

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Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

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Not as much as your sig.

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The way they're taking the show is kind of dumb. Meh.

Tommen's about to lose his V-card btw.

I second Formy saying that Dany's taking Meereen was actually pretty anti-climactic after the build-up of last episode. I did enjoy seeing the slavemasters basically get crucified, though. That was cool.

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I don't think Margaery smurfs until she's sealed the deal. Until then she only teases.

I liked the episode. Brienne is the best. They did an awfully good job of making us not like the mutineers at Craster's place. Here's hoping they die horribly soon. I don't remember if any of this stuff was even in the books. I honestly enjoy when some things happen differently than the books, so I get to relive some of the not-knowing again.

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Last time we saw him, he was in the room when Theon was telling the Boltons that Bran was alive. So he's presumably hunting for Bran.

So interestingly enough, HBO may have spoilered themselves too soon. On the official synopsis it said Night's King, now it's been edited to just say a walker.

Good job HBO.

bwahahahha


FAIL

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Father of Year

That scene with Margaery I loled hard. His face was priceless.

Is 'Night's King' really a spoiler? The name literally means nothing to me.

It was a featurette in season 2 on the dvd's they mention him and he's literally been mentioned in the books twice and in passing really.

But he's the ultimate boss of the series basically, or so the theories go. Here let Ygritte explain.



Basically they confirmed there is a leader within the others, with the scene and then mentioning his name in the synopsis, and he has ties to the night's watch AND the starks. This hasn't been mentioned or touched on in the books besides old nan mentioning it in a story to Bran and Torumand to Jon in a story in another book. Partly cause they can't show a perspective of the white walkers in the books. They also showed a type of hierarchy with the white walkers, another thing never even touched upon in the books. So this weeks episode had new things for everyone, even the all knowing book readers.

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It is for book readers, because they just told you who is leading the White Walkers. In the books there has been absolutely no mention of who they are, who leads them or what they're doing to Craster's sons. The Night's Knight has been mentioned in a few legends and tales as A Very Naughty Boy but as a myth, legend or fable. I assume there's a big twist in the books coming to say "Yes, it is I! The man from your stories! I LIVE!" or what have you.

Shouldn't mean a thing to show viewers though, no.

I take it that this "Night's King" will play a major role in "Winds of Winter" which won't be released any time soon during this season.

Meh, the WW are so far away from the rest of the action it is very hard to give a rat about them or their leader. Just send Samwell out there and he'll destroy them all.

There are tons of goodies on the dvd features. A lot of history stuff. Just youtube them and you'll see a bunch of stuff that will explain things as a show viewer and not a book reader.

Some book context, for any interested non-readers.

I find it all fascinating and hope it leads to something sooner rather than later, but if there's one thing this show has taught me it's that things come later rather than sooner.

Okay, I don't know if anyone posted this yet or not

But this happened

not so bad actually :3

welcome to the internet!
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p.s silenty people are getting rid of theire GOT avatar and signature 1 by 1 ... DONT do that, the season is not over yet D:

when this season is done you can get back to other signatures :3

Man, I wish Strong Belwas was in the show. :(

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when this season is done you can get back to other signatures :3

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my guy died...

Eh, I had it nearly for a month.

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my guy died...

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it's only a month thing anyway. No one is going to force you to change or keep it.

it takes the feeling away :(

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I take it that this "Night's King" will play a major role in "Winds of Winter" which won't be released any time soon during this season.

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A Dance with Dragons end book spoilersWith Jon Snow "dead" (coming back to the dead and possibly being reborn as Azor Ahai), it certainly is possible that we'll see some sort of fight with the Others. I don't think we'll see the final showdown between the Nights Watch and the Others until the final book though, obviously. But I do expect us to meet the leader of the Others. How he is introduced, and whether or not the bastard speaks, is completely up in the air.

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Don't worry Shai. I'm sticking with mine till the end!

That, and I'm still thinking ideas for a new set. :p

The darkest GoT news yet. :(

Ser Pounce off 'Game of Thrones' (for now) | PopWatch | EW.com

NO!!!

aah. ser pounce is the cat

The pounce that was promised. The pounce would mount the world :(

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What is this Ser Pounce. Is it just because it's a cat people are all like :3 or is relative to the story?

Ser pounce is hand of the king!

Paw of the king!

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He is the personification catification of the difference between Joffrey and Tommen.

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What is this Ser Pounce. Is it just because it's a cat people are all like :3 or is relative to the story?

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He is the personification catification of the difference between Joffrey and Tommen.

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More like purrsonification amirite