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I dont see why it couldnt be sent back and forth, or why things couldnt be changed. If they suddenly took Aeris out of the end when they were deep into making the game, it wouldnt do too much, depending on where they were in the story. I'm sure every script/plot is tweaked around almost constantly. If it's set in stone, then how could corrections and such be made?
There's only one thing we know for sure... VII was under serious time constraints. It had to effect something.
The plot was very well worked out. Given that so many character backgrounds interwove, and the overall complexity of the plot (which spanned 2000 years and required several flashbacks, and doing things outside the main route to get the whole story) rewriting such a major event would have been VERY nasty.
True. But it all depends on the extent of the changes. I doubt they suddenly, for example, yanked Aeris out. But changes can be made, so long as they dont effect the way the story weaves together too terribly. For example, suddenly giving Tifa a bigger role wouldnt effect the over all game much. But I'm sure the script isnt a set thing until it's been inputted into the game. They have a lot of time to work on changes in the script while character models and scenes are being built and such.
Tifa having a large role was vital, espescially her being close to Cloud. The scene in Mideel is one of the biggest and most important twists in the plot.
Then to a lesser extent there's the scenes with Bugenhagen and the Ancient Key.
Then there's the multiple FMVs that would require massive changes. Given they wouldn't even put a short scene with Yuffie and Vincent in.
Oh I'm not arguing with you on the fact that it would change a lot.
I'm saying making Tifa's role bigger... for example, they could have had those scenes in Mideel and with the Key and all that and added more, ya see what I'm saying? And I'm just using Tifa as an example. Most characters had major plot points, but they could have added more... that make sense? All I'm saying is that the script is flexable.
That does make sense. I'm not sure how Mideel would have worked if Tifa hadn't been the only one for Cloud though. A very deep and emotional scene with a childhood friend and potential love sort of loses impact if one of them is still picking and choosing whether he likes her over the flower girl he just met.
just going back a bit
I dont think there anough evedence to really connect the sick dude in the pipe with any event since theres such a large timespan form when hes there and the next time you get to midgar and hes gone. e.g. you could argue it was when jenova escaped or sumthin'.
I heard a rumor about the guy in the pipe, and while I haven't tried it, it could be true. I heard that what he says is a gameshark code, and that's how you get to the developers room. Now, I could be wrong, but I haven't gotten the chance to try it. I don't have a gameshark, so I could very well be wrong.
From a developers standpoint, I think it would be possible to remove Aeris from the story late in the game, but it would've been very difficult. Concidering that they were under major time restraints, I 'll assume that that would've only happened earlier on. My assumption would be that she wasn't removed from production later on, but that she was part of the game after her death. When they decided to change everything, presumably earlier on, they left in a few things on accident that they had already done, even though they didn't have too much programmed. I believe that that portion of the game was made earlier on, and that the rest was smoothed out later on and finished, with that one part left in on accident. So... yeah.
I think that when the original story was writen the developers could have come up with "Well we are agoing to kill this character off." They didn't know exactaly when or how they were going to do it, just that they were. This would explain why they needed extra dialog. When they started actually creating he game thay had a better idea about when they would kill off Aeris so that's why the rest of the game is not FILLED with lines for her but just has a smattering.
They could have also changed the layout of the storyline so that those extra parts (I thought I read somewhere that one extra set of lines was after the snowboard segment) were really in the game before she died. When they moved the story around it was just easier to (basically) copy/paste the code to a new place. Who cares if the extra Aries lines are there noone would Normally see them anyway.
Also I suppose some Square coder could have just put them in for fun. No one would be looking for Aries text becuse she was dead by then. Whick of course would have made them stand out once/if found.
Sick pipe dude a clone? That could make sense...
But to be honest, the last time I played (I got as far as Nibelheim for real before giving up, I think...) I just assumed he was a random ShinRa experiment. Remember Red XIII has his number from the ShinRa labs? I thought it might be something like that, and could still explain the illness... But if he murmers something about going to the reunion later, then I guess that proves me wrong.
My flatmate told me that if you give him the digestive from the market in the slums, he gets well and gives you something. I tried this and it didn't work. So why WAS he there? I thought you could get something from him or his room at some point...
More importantly, what is this debug room people are talking about?!
He had the tattoo number one, he was the first 'Sephiroth clone' the party encountered. His poor physical and mental state foreshadows the subsequent horrors of ShinRa's black-caped, tattooed experiments, whose individuality completely disappears when Sephiroth and Jenova fully re-awaken.Quote:
So why WAS he there?
Actually I think he was number two. I'm not certain about that, but he definitely didn't have the number one tattoo (Sephiroth had that).
I have, it's called the PC version, and all translation errors are fixed. As for the other stuff, well that was never broken to begin with. Oh yeah, and ruination is indeed a word.Quote:
Right. So, have you played a different FF7 than me, or did the fact that you're better than everyone allow you not to see the utter ruin (no, ruination isn't a word) that is the translation, semblance of plot, sensical character development and overall logistics of the game?
Quite right... number two it was. The rest of the 'numbers' belong mainly to the clones in and around Nibelheim, and one of the North Corel residents says he saw a black-cloaked man with a #1 tattoo going to the Gold Saucer.
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I read in a magazine that He is an ancient and was originally able to revive Aeris. After she died you were to find the Midgar key and return to the man in the pipe and he would be able to revive aeris, this had to be done before you fought Jenova Death, but this idea was scrapped by squaresoft, although this is only a rumour that i read in a magazine it may not be true.