Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
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Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
Really? I'd just plain describe them as awful, since that's about the only accurate description I can see.
Firstly, please, explain how each genre is easily discernable from each other, I'd like a description of each genre and how they differ from others, then I'll believe you.Quote:
Infact each genre is very easily discernable from the next. I could never be able to confuse death with black. Doom with power. Heavy with Gothic.
The reasons there are sub-genres as tight as they are is because metal is such an expansive genre in its own right.
I mean I wouldn't want to reccomend someone who likes Sonata Arctica something like Bathory or Necrophagist. Thus we have the sub-genres. So if someone asks for say, power metal (Sonata Arctica,Blind Guardian,Morgana Lefay) I will not give them Death or Black metal.
Secondly, that's pretty shortsighted to decide to not reccomend music to someone simply because it doesn't fit into a tiny little different genre, if Metal is as expansive as you state, then not reccomending "gothic" metal to someone who likes "power" metal would be akin to simply not reccomending a good rock band to someone who likes rap, just assuming that because they like one thing they won't like another.
Music is never mutually exclusive.
Ooh cool, god, ive changed so much this year,can you believe my favourite band used to be 'Blue'? xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Crushed Hope
And Dani is hot :fplove:
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Originally Posted by Lindy
Yes...Cradle of Filth are very awful. Heh. Veeery awful.
I don't even know who Blue are, but ... they couldn't have been as bad as CoF :D (I really don't care about the fact of you liking them...I just like messing around about them)Quote:
Ooh cool, god, ive changed so much this year,can you believe my favourite band used to be 'Blue'? xD
Ok here is a description of each genre
Thrash: A combination of old school Hardcore Punk with Classic Heavy Metal, early thrash bands took the two emerging styles merged them added a healthy dose of speed and went from there. One word defines the instruments in thrash "fast", Riffs are sets of fast chords, drums are played in double bass rolls and fast snare reliant blasts, bass is often limited to fast plucking of the top two strings. Vocals are usually intense but clean and lack vibrato. An easy way to identify thrash is an extreme band that doesn’t have Death or Black vocals. Slayer, Testament and Exodus are all good examples.
Black Metal: An extreme evolution of thrash about pushing metal to its audible and lyrical extremes. Guitars are fast and abrasive, often quite minimilistic, and often tremolo picked. Drums are usually fast double bass sections or fast blast beats, usually accompanied by a ride or hi-hat. Vocals are shrieked in a shrill high-pitched tone, and production is often very rough to enhance the atmosphere and abrasiveness of the music. Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgorth, Burzum and Kreig are all excellent examples of Pure Black Metal. Some BM bands try to incorporate synths and more electronic atmospherics into their music, these bands are often called "Goth Metal" by BM fans although this is inaccurate, the term "Symphonic Black Metal" is a lot closer to the truth.
Death Metal: The other evolution of Thrash, this branch of bands went in a very different direction with the Thrash prototype, they thickened the guitar tone, inserted a lot of musicianship, morbidity, groove and speed (yes even more). Double bass sections are usually faster, more blasts are used and riffs are usually a lot more technical. However the main thing that sets DM apart is the vocals. Vibrato soaked growls that are projected from the abdomen and shaped with the throat, this is as important part of the music as any of the instruments. Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy, Origin, and Death are all good examples of Death Metal.
Power Metal: A straight evolution of Classic Heavy Metal, through Iron Maiden who despite not being Power themselves were a massive influence on the genre. Power Metal places a high focus on guitar harmonies and melodies, extravagant solos are used often and riffs tend to "gallop" due to the chord progressions used. Vocals are high and soaring, even more so than Progressive Vocals, subject matter is quite often fantasy based. Lost Horizon, Hammerfal and Stratovarius are good examples of this.
Melodic Death Metal: Or "Melo-Death" is a combination of Power Metal structures with those of Death Metal, Maidenesque twin guitar harmonies are used liberally, drums usually contain a certain amount of rhythm and groove, technicality is at a mid to high level and vocals are usually growled, although at a higher pitch than standard Death Metal. In Flames, Soilwork, At The Gates and Arch Enemy are all obvious examples of Melo-Death
Progressive Metal: A combination of the ideals of 70’s/80’s prog bands such as Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin with the distortion, groove, rythym and structure of classic heavy Metal. What came out was a legion of bands led by Dream Theater who featured immense technical ability, numerous time signature and tempo changes, long sweeping instrumental sections. Each song often sounds different from the last due to the fact that they draw influence from all over the place and extravagant solo sections are almost a necessity. Prog has spawned many many genres in which a band has taken a Metal sub-genre and added prog elements to it for example Opeth’s Prog Death, Meshuggah’s Prog Industrial, Symphony X’s Prog Power, Maudlin Of The Well’s Prog Doom or even Mudvayne’s Prog Nu Metal.
Doom Metal: This term has grown to mean "anything that draws influence from the first two Sabbath albums" but I resent that, real doom is painfully slow, depressing music, with long monotonous drones for riffs, simple drums and particularly pained vocals (usually lower than their DM counterparts). Most Doom Metal puts the emphasis more on atmosphere and "feel" of the music, rather than any individual notes or riffs. Examples include Saturnus, While Heaven Wept and Skepticism.
Metalcore: In short: Hardcore + A Metal Genre (Usually Thrash Or Death) Very similar to Hardcore in most respects, but instead of using either overly abstract riffs (The DEP) or simple mosh riffs (Hatebreed), they tend to use much more Thrash or Death influenced guitar work. Metalcore tends not to have the genericore Hardcore vocals and the drumming is more tribal instead of jumping between slow blast beats and rolls. Zao, Johnny Truant, Luddite Clone and Into Eternity are all good examples of the range of sound Metalcore can create.
The reason why I would never reccomend Bathory to someone who likes Sonata Arctica is because the two are extremly different, infact alot of people who like power can not stand death or black, and vice versa. However there are people like me who will listen to alot of metal genres, however the only kind I never really listen to is Gothic so I can't really give you much of a description, however I could give bands who play gothic metal.Quote:
Secondly, that's pretty shortsighted to decide to not reccomend music to someone simply because it doesn't fit into a tiny little different genre, if Metal is as expansive as you state, then not reccomending "gothic" metal to someone who likes "power" metal would be akin to simply not reccomending a good rock band to someone who likes rap, just assuming that because they like one thing they won't like another.
Saviour Machine, Penumbra, Tristania, To/Die/For, Farmer Boys, Lacuna Coil.
No, because metal is a genre way to diverse to not have subgenres. I always see these people complaining about the existence of genres. If you don't want to look up the definitions, then don't, but there is no reason to reduce the whole metal scene into one genre, just so that those who are fond of their ignorance won't have anything to not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindy
@gibbi8: This forum is 95% pop/hip-hop/rap/similar crap. What's wrong with creating two threads about two different forms of actual music?
You dont want to know who Blue are put it this way.. Pop/HipHop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushed Hope
The way you say that, do you not like COF or something? O_o
Blue are just a prime example of the one-dimensional pop bands that come and go from day to day, I'd say they were about on par with CoF in disgusting crappiness, only where CoF scream, Blue just...simper.
Oh, and just so you know, I actually quite LIKE Metal, but I just don't care much for the genre-nazis who get all annoyed when you define something wrong, so I just call it Metal.
I like In Flames, I like Opeth (Only Damnation though, the screamy one...err...Redemption? Didn't like that), to me they're Metal, or most of the time I just call it "Music", you know, shockingly you don't have to define everything down into the smallest denominator.
No...you do not have to but the thing is. It helps avoid confusion for those who care to know each genre. For those who do not know what genre each band is, they get nipped in the ass when they request stuff from me. I end up having someone who only likes stuff like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath, a reccomendation of Anorexia Nervosa and they hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindy
(Just for your knowledge, In Flames are melodeath, and most recently modern rock. Opeth, are well...many consider them to be Progressive Death metal but in reality they are much closer to being progressive rock, with death metal influences(mainly found in the vocals and occasional metal riff)
I feel that with that above () statement that I have gained a whole legion of enemies.
On a somewhat alternate note, Metal bands have some of the most amusing names in existance, really, the funnier side being that they pretty much all take themselves seriously, it makes me giggle.
I wonder what the end-result would be if someone actually made a HAPPY metal band.
Then again, I'm sure you'll suddenly pop-up with "Ah, well this band in this genre etc etc" after this.
There is a huge amount of metal bands who play "happy" music.
Although I don't like happy music, so I don't listen to it.
Gimme a few names then, I'm intrigued as to how it sounds.
Sonata Artica (Power metal)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindy
Dragonforce(Power metal)
Stratovarius (Power metal)
Falconer(for the most part) (Power metal)
Symphony X (Power metal)
Seemless(Well they write about positivity >.>) (Heavy/Stoner metal)
There are alot of happy metal bands...wether lyrically or musically. Hell, gets someone who listens to no underground power metal bands and they will most likly have mentioned in a ratio of 7/10 more happy bands than not.
Power Metal is overall a rather happy genre.
You could also listen to "white metal".(which is, btw, not a real genre)
It's all about the joys of loving Jesus.
Yeah, power metal does have the tendency to be happy, but bands like Lord Weird Slough Feg are not all happy and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrgen
Saviour Machine, an amazing Christian Gothic metal band. Infact one of the only two Gothic metal bands I listen two.
So what about MayheM & the like... they're not awful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushed Hope