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It's a fancy and lovely way of being an assholic bigot. It's just as bad as writing a program that notes that you're using a PC and should instead be using a Mac, that you're using Linux and that Windows is the better OS, or writing the inverse of both of those opinions.
I much prefer not to tell people what they should be doing and definitely not in such an annoying way.
That said, IE sucks and I do not understand why people would use it, ever.
I'm against it if it's annoying or pestering, I only use IE because I have no choice. My parents own this computer and I cannot persuade them to let me install Firefox because 'we already have an internet browser and it works fine so why do we need another one'. Yuffie the Dragon Ninja will agree with me on this, she uses the same computer.
Bad idea. Firefox rocks, but forcing people to use it is stupid.
It looks too much like the scam popups 'Looks like you need a bigger penis. Click here to find out how.'
Bloody fanboys.
And I view movies how if I can't use IE for them?
The same script can be rewritten to block firefox, opera, or whatever and the last thing I want to see is the open net being blocked to anyone. The very reason for the net's existance is to allow people to openly surf, and access the plethora of knowlage (and lack there of ;)) out there. I would never want to hinder such a thing in anyway.
This is why I do my pages with w3c compliance. IE shoots itself in the foot half the time ;)
Bipper
Clearly reading is beyond most people here, as this script doesn't BLOCK people from seeing the site unless you specifically tell it to. It can instead display a small banner at the top of each page, which doesn't "force" anyone to use Firefox, nor does it stop anyone from seeing the web page as normal in IE.
[qq=I'm my own MILF]And I view movies how if I can't use IE for them?[/qq]
Download them. Interestingly, media players are made to play media, and web browsers are made to let you view web sites.
Or install the plugins which let Firefox play movies, of which there are plenty. Even Windows Media Player plugin works in Firefox, in OS X and Windows. As does Flash, which lets you view Goolge video and Youtube etc. As does Quicktime and Real player. Or use VLC (in Windows, OS X or Linux) which plays nearly all movie formats. Linux also has mplayer plug-in.
[qq=Cz]Bloody fanboys.[/qq]
A fanboy is someone who is singlemindedly devoted to a product regardless of its merits. A fanboy is not someone who is devoted to a product because of its merits. I am a fanboy insofar as people who only like cars that don't explode when you drive them are fanboys of non-exploding cars. Your comment is a very effective use of ad hominem though. Congratulations.
[qq=Big D]All well and good on someone's own website, but on a place that actually tries to cater to the general surfing game-playing public, it just seems pointlessly uppity and exclusionary.[/qq]
The banner does not prevent anyone from seeing the site. It displays a banner and then displays the site normally.
Everyone has the capacity to download Firefox for free and use it. If we were to require IE, THAT would be exlusionary, because you have to PAY for IE.
[qq=Big D]It puts me in mind of the AA (or AAA, if you prefer) driving around to every internet user's house and slapping "my other car SHOULD BE a Nissan" bumper stickers onto their Hondas - or better yet, removing their distributor - because of a difference of opinion over what's better.[/qq]
Your analogy holds only if both opinions are valid, which they are not.
More like everyone driving down the street in cars with one flat tire, ripping up pavement as they go, and road-workers telling these people that there are FREE cars that actually work properly, because they're tired of having to design roads that cater to 3-wheeled cars.
[qq=Big D]If it was just another ad, then sure. Just not something that's trying to pester or block users.[/qq]
It doesn't block users unless you want it to. It does pester them, but many ads pester people, including the Google ads we have right now. That's partly how they work. But in all other ways, it is just another ad.
[qq=Old Manus]It looks too much like the scam popups 'Looks like you need a bigger penis. Click here to find out how.'[/qq]
Except that Firefox is not a scam.
[qq=GLR]Bad idea. Firefox rocks, but forcing people to use it is stupid.[/qq]
It doesn't force anyone unless you want it to.
[qq=starseeker]I'm against it if it's annoying or pestering, I only use IE because I have no choice. My parents own this computer and I cannot persuade them to let me install Firefox because 'we already have an internet browser and it works fine so why do we need another one'. Yuffie the Dragon Ninja will agree with me on this, she uses the same computer.[/qq]
My sympathies, but I question whether the irrationality of your parents should influence anyone else's decision.
[qq=bipper]The same script can be rewritten to block firefox, opera, or whatever and the last thing I want to see is the open net being blocked to anyone.[/qq]
The script does not block anyone unless you tell it to.
But yeah, I'd really hate if there were a bunch of sites out there that only work in Internet Explorer. Oh wait. There are. The difference of course is that if a site works in Firefox, it likely works in EVERYTHING ELSE other than IE. Getting people to use Firefox IS the way to standardize and open the internet. Catering to the whims of people who use broken non-standard software is what closes the internet. I know that you know this, from a web design perspective. The more MS makes IE non-standard (and they do, and will continue it) and the more people ignorantly continue to use it, the more the rest of us suffer.
The way to standardize the web is to enforce cross platform standatds (IE: W3C standards). I will NEVER cater to IE, and I put the w3c compliant links on anysite I make. In FAQ's, I always add a question "Why is _____ happeneing. I am using IE" Then I will explain that IE is written with little regaurds to the w3c standards. If IE would succesfully obey and ENFORCE these external standards, I would accept it as ployable. I don't see that happening anytime soon though. I am very anti-IE, but I do not think that disclosing a webpage via script is the best way to go about converting people :p It would go over about as good as the Crusades did for Chrstianity:D Using it to pester IE - sure! :)Quote:
But yeah, I'd really hate if there were a bunch of sites out there that only work in Internet Explorer. Oh wait. There are. The difference of course is that if a site works in Firefox, it likely works in EVERYTHING ELSE other than IE. Getting people to use Firefox IS the way to standardize and open the internet. Catering to the whims of people who use broken non-standard software is what closes the internet. I know that you know this, from a web design perspective. The more MS makes IE non-standard (and they do, and will continue it) and the more people ignorantly continue to use it, the more the rest of us suffer.
Bipper
Hasn't this browser war stuff gotten kind of old by now?
It was old back when netscape was winning.
It'll continue until browsers are equal; as of right now, they are not equal, so it can't stop~
i guess this is sort of our form of protest. There is a majority of people who uses a web browser that correctly displays all sorts of code, and this goes against the idea that there should be one uniform way that a website is displayed. When someone can't write a website and have it look like they want to because a programmer five years ago thought 'Hmm, people are stupid, let's add an extra hidden padding value because they'll inevitably forget to do it themselves' and you have to use hax or mentally account for that value and be driven to design two separate sites because it's irreconcilable, that is a problem.
If eventually enough people start using a browser that does display a website correctly, at least far more often than the opposition does, that sends a small but subtle message to the people who wrote that browser that people won't stand for these errors.
And when that happens, people will stop catering to the one in the wrong more often, just because more often than not it'll appear to be in the right.
And what a day that'll be~
But I like IE
I'm going to make a site that only works in AOL Browser, and then you'll all be very sorry.
My thoughts exactly. I'm slightly worried about the conviction/effort Dr Unne is going for all of this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
I read about this a couple weeks ago, and I have no problem with the non-intrusive form of the program, which simply places Firefox banners on a page. Setting it not to display the page for anyone who uses IE, though, is definitely not cool.