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11-21-2006, 07:04 PM
MJN SEIFER

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Originally Posted by f f freak

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Well Since Aeris can give and take more dangage, can heal her self with out Materia, can seal Tifa's materia to force her to only attack physically and has an actual weapon. I say Tifa's as good as finished.

Aeris > Tifa

And considering that Tifa is faster than Aeris, stronger than Aeris, has an incredibly powerful limit break combo and also that Aeris sucks physically, can no way give or take more damage than Tifa and that Tifa can actually fight.

Tifa > Aeris.

What? when I played Aeris was one of my most powerful characters as she levled up faster than everyone else (Compesation), and Aeris is more used to fighting.

And I can tell you're only saying these false facts as you're a Tifa fan.

At least I like both of them.
11-21-2006, 10:15 PM
f f freak

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

What? when I played Aeris was one of my most powerful characters as she levled up faster than everyone else (Compesation), and Aeris is more used to fighting.

And I can tell you're only saying these false facts as you're a Tifa fan.

At least I like both of them.

That's strange because Aeris leveled up at the exact same pace as most people in my game. Aeris is more used to using magic to fight whereas Tifa was more used to using physical attacks to fight.

Yes I am a Tifa fan but the facts are no more false than your own. And I did like Aeris. I prefered Tifa's personality but I liked them both. Aeris had her uses. Her Seal Evil limit break was particularly helpful in some boss battles. Just as Tifa's limit break was helpful in some boss battles.
11-22-2006, 12:45 AM
Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Timerk

I think people underestimate how powerful Aeris was, I mean, she was the one in the party Sephi was worried about, not Cloud.

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

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If she had to, she could beat Tifa in a fight, but Aeris would never fight over Cloud. She would just laugh and walk away, because she knew how things were going to end up anyway.

Yes, and why should Aerith fight a futile battle anyways?
11-22-2006, 02:24 AM
Firo Volondé

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

What? when I played Aeris was one of my most powerful characters as she levled up faster than everyone else (Compesation),

That's probably because you used her more. In any case, Cloud would've leveled up faster since he's in your party more or less the whole game

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Originally Posted by f f freak

That's strange because Aeris leveled up at the exact same pace as most people in my game. Aeris is more used to using magic to fight whereas Tifa was more used to using physical attacks to fight.

Apart from limit breaks, all the characters are malleable. Magical prowess depends on how much magic materia you have, physical prowess is if you don't have much magic materia.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.
11-22-2006, 03:04 AM
Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.

Bull and Crap. Anyone could use Holy if they gave thought to it, same as any other Materia, and especially after heading through the temple, where the instructions to it and its opposite were inscribed. Yes, Aerith was a threat, but were Aerith minused Holy, Sephy would not have given her a second's thought.
11-22-2006, 03:05 PM
Bart's Friend Milhouse

Aeris is hotter so she would win
11-22-2006, 09:27 PM
MJN SEIFER

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Originally Posted by mobiletype

Aeris is hotter so she would win

A winner is you!
11-22-2006, 10:14 PM
Carl the Llama

Well first of all lets say they were fighting in the game of FFVII Aerith would win as it would be turn based and she would use her Great Gospel... Id like to see Tifa do damage to someone who is invincible, secondly she has many great healing abilitys, yea she may be physically weak but she has awesom magical capeabilitys and like in D&D who would win a fight out of a wizard and a fighter? as Dragon Mage said in a previous thread

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Now there's something I've noticed in all my long years of playing D&D. The wizards really kick as*. In one session, we stumbled upon about 25 ogres. My fighter was having a heck of a time with them. My brother, who has a wizard, flew into the air on the back of a summoned dragon and placed about 8 expanded, enlarged and empowered fireballs on the whole field where the ogres were and all of the fireballs overlapped at a point. The ogres were completley exterminated. One other time, we ran into 14 centaurs. One fireball fried them all, before I even got a chance to draw my sword!! That is pretty amazing. So just because someone has a sword and an evil plan, doesn't make them ulitimately badas* and powerful. Being a wizard/magic-user takes at least as much, if not, far more skill than a fighter/swordsman. Never underestimate the wizard. For that is true strength beyond all the boundries of reality.

Obviously Aerith would win...

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.

Bull and Crap. Anyone could use Holy if they gave thought to it, same as any other Materia, and especially after heading through the temple, where the instructions to it and its opposite were inscribed. Yes, Aerith was a threat, but were Aerith minused Holy, Sephy would not have given her a second's thought.

anyone could have used Holy? hmm looks like its time for our friend Mr Game Script to put in an aperence.

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Originally Posted by Mr Game Script

Cloud: What is this place?

Aerith: This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called the
Sleeping Forest. It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor.
That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can
do it. This secret is just up here. At least it should be. ...I feel it. It
feels like I'm being led by something. Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back
when it's all over.

Cloud: Aerith?

Aerith left, but Cloud couldn't move towards her.

Sephiroth: Hmm...... She's thinking of interfering? She will be a difficult
one, don't you think? We must stop that girl soon.

Now call me a liar if you will but im sure Sephiroth is refuring to Aerith as the problem... again I could be wrong :greenie:

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Originally Posted by f f freak

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

Well Since Aeris can give and take more dangage, can heal her self with out Materia, can seal Tifa's materia to force her to only attack physically and has an actual weapon. I say Tifa's as good as finished.

Aeris > Tifa

And considering that Tifa is faster than Aeris, stronger than Aeris, has an incredibly powerful limit break combo and also that Aeris sucks physically, can no way give or take more damage than Tifa and that Tifa can actually fight.

Tifa > Aeris.

erm I have a question for you: how do you know Aerith isnt as fast as Tifa? not that I dissagre with you or anything but you actully never saw Aerith moveing much it doesnt mean that she cant move damn fast if she has to.

Tifa = Kick ass, Aerith = Kick much ass
11-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by ~Reno~

Well first of all lets say they were fighting in the game of FFVII Aerith would win as it would be turn based and she would use her Great Gospel... Id like to see Tifa do damage to someone who is invincible, secondly she has many great healing abilitys, yea she may be physically weak but she has awesom magical capeabilitys and like in D&D who would win a fight out of a wizard and a fighter?

1- Tifa has the higher speed and would win init. Aerith cannot use gospel if Tifa pwns her first.
2- She has healing capabilities, true, but they are not as availble as you would like to present them.
3- Gameplay != reality, even within system. While a decent way to compare, it should be weighted accordingly.
4- Actually, to make a D&D comparison, it's comparing the cleric to the monk, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

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as Dragon Mage said in a previous thread

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Originally Posted by Dragon Mage

Now there's something I've noticed in all my long years of playing D&D. The wizards really kick as*. In one session, we stumbled upon about 25 ogres. My fighter was having a heck of a time with them. My brother, who has a wizard, flew into the air on the back of a summoned dragon and placed about 8 expanded, enlarged and empowered fireballs on the whole field where the ogres were and all of the fireballs overlapped at a point. The ogres were completley exterminated. One other time, we ran into 14 centaurs. One fireball fried them all, before I even got a chance to draw my sword!! That is pretty amazing. So just because someone has a sword and an evil plan, doesn't make them ulitimately badas* and powerful. Being a wizard/magic-user takes at least as much, if not, far more skill than a fighter/swordsman. Never underestimate the wizard. For that is true strength beyond all the boundries of reality.

Obviously Aerith would win...

She who has exactly as much access to fireballs as Tifa. Also, I just realized, the first situation isn't possible, or more accurately, damn improbable. It would take eight turns to pull- four with quickened spells- delayed blast fireballs, and a high enough relevant ability modifier, making the situation both high level and high stats, unless something's been left out of the tale here.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.

Bull and Crap. Anyone could use Holy if they gave thought to it, same as any other Materia, and especially after heading through the temple, where the instructions to it and its opposite were inscribed. Yes, Aerith was a threat, but were Aerith minused Holy, Sephy would not have given her a second's thought.

anyone could have used Holy? hmm looks like its time for our friend Mr Game Script to put in an aperence.

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Originally Posted by Mr Game Script

Cloud: What is this place?

Aerith: This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called the
Sleeping Forest. It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor.
That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can
do it. This secret is just up here. At least it should be. ...I feel it. It
feels like I'm being led by something. Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back
when it's all over.

Cloud: Aerith?

Aerith left, but Cloud couldn't move towards her.

Sephiroth: Hmm...... She's thinking of interfering? She will be a difficult
one, don't you think? We must stop that girl soon.

Now call me a liar if you will but im sure Sephiroth is refuring to Aerith as the problem... again I could be wrong :greenie:[/quote]

Materia is open to anyone with the knowledge to use it. Aerith, as a Cetra, has the capability to hear the planet which is pulling her to use the power, but not the exclusive capability. And I never said Aerith+Holy was not a threat. Just that Aerith- Holy would not have been.

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

Well Since Aeris can give and take more dangage, can heal her self with out Materia, can seal Tifa's materia to force her to only attack physically and has an actual weapon. I say Tifa's as good as finished.

Aeris > Tifa

And considering that Tifa is faster than Aeris, stronger than Aeris, has an incredibly powerful limit break combo and also that Aeris sucks physically, can no way give or take more damage than Tifa and that Tifa can actually fight.

Tifa > Aeris.

erm I have a question for you: how do you know Aerith isnt as fast as Tifa? not that I dissagre with you or anything but you actully never saw Aerith moveing much it doesnt mean that she cant move damn fast if she has to.

Tifa = Kick ass, Aerith = Kick much ass

And how do we know that Cait Sith cannot outarmwrestle Proud Clod? And how do we know Barret can't do quantum physics in his head? We have no evidence of Aerith moving quickly, hence we have no reason to believe that she is capable of things she has never been observed doing.
And even though it's low on the useful scale, there is also the stat comparison.

Though, speaking of Mage Vs Fighter, I recently had a battle between a Tome and Blood based character and Complete Mage based character. We called it after an hour of not being able to kill each other.
11-23-2006, 12:33 AM
Ashley Schovitz

Tifa the difa hands down, Aeris is too soft and I don't recall this Gsopel move that everyone's talking about.
11-23-2006, 01:18 AM
VitalChance

Tifa would pwn the pansy healer. thats right healer, not a fighter.. O_o
11-23-2006, 02:54 AM
Firo Volondé

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by ~Reno~

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.

Bull and Crap. Anyone could use Holy if they gave thought to it, same as any other Materia, and especially after heading through the temple, where the instructions to it and its opposite were inscribed. Yes, Aerith was a threat, but were Aerith minused Holy, Sephy would not have given her a second's thought.

anyone could have used Holy? hmm looks like its time for our friend Mr Game Script to put in an aperence.

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Originally Posted by Mr Game Script

Cloud: What is this place?

Aerith: This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called the
Sleeping Forest. It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor.
That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can
do it. This secret is just up here. At least it should be. ...I feel it. It
feels like I'm being led by something. Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back
when it's all over.

Cloud: Aerith?

Aerith left, but Cloud couldn't move towards her.

Sephiroth: Hmm...... She's thinking of interfering? She will be a difficult
one, don't you think? We must stop that girl soon.

Now call me a liar if you will but im sure Sephiroth is refuring to Aerith as the problem... again I could be wrong :greenie:

Materia is open to anyone with the knowledge to use it. Aerith, as a Cetra, has the capability to hear the planet which is pulling her to use the power, but not the exclusive capability. And I never said Aerith+Holy was not a threat. Just that Aerith- Holy would not have been.

You're right, Aerith doesn't have exclusive capability to hear the planet - any living Cetra could. Hmmm... wait a minute! Aerith is the only living Cetra left! Therefore, Sephiroth was as worried about Aerith as he was about Holy, probably more, since Aerith was the one utilizing Holy, not vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by ~Reno~

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Originally Posted by f f freak

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

Well Since Aeris can give and take more dangage, can heal her self with out Materia, can seal Tifa's materia to force her to only attack physically and has an actual weapon. I say Tifa's as good as finished.

Aeris > Tifa

And considering that Tifa is faster than Aeris, stronger than Aeris, has an incredibly powerful limit break combo and also that Aeris sucks physically, can no way give or take more damage than Tifa and that Tifa can actually fight.

Tifa > Aeris.

erm I have a question for you: how do you know Aerith isnt as fast as Tifa? not that I dissagre with you or anything but you actully never saw Aerith moveing much it doesnt mean that she cant move damn fast if she has to.

Tifa = Kick ass, Aerith = Kick much ass

And how do we know that Cait Sith cannot outarmwrestle Proud Clod? And how do we know Barret can't do quantum physics in his head? We have no evidence of Aerith moving quickly, hence we have no reason to believe that she is capable of things she has never been observed doing.

How do we know Tifa is faster than Aerith? We have no evidence of Aerith being unable to move quickly, hence there is no way anybody can claim that Tifa moves faster than Aerith, which is what ~Reno~ was saying.

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Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitz

Tifa the difa hands down, Aeris is too soft and I don't recall this Gsopel move that everyone's talking about.

Great Gospel - Aerith's Lv. 4 Limit Break.
11-23-2006, 03:33 AM
atlanteay

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Sephypoo was worried about Holy. Not Aerith.

Sephypoo was also worried about Aerith, she being the only person who was able to use the White Materia.

Bull and Crap. Anyone could use Holy if they gave thought to it, same as any other Materia, and especially after heading through the temple, where the instructions to it and its opposite were inscribed. Yes, Aerith was a threat, but were Aerith minused Holy, Sephy would not have given her a second's thought.

anyone could have used Holy? hmm looks like its time for our friend Mr Game Script to put in an aperence.

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Originally Posted by Mr Game Script

Cloud: What is this place?

Aerith: This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called the
Sleeping Forest. It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor.
That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can
do it. This secret is just up here. At least it should be. ...I feel it. It
feels like I'm being led by something. Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back
when it's all over.

Cloud: Aerith?

Aerith left, but Cloud couldn't move towards her.

Sephiroth: Hmm...... She's thinking of interfering? She will be a difficult
one, don't you think? We must stop that girl soon.

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

Now call me a liar if you will but im sure Sephiroth is refuring to Aerith as the problem... again I could be wrong :greenie:

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Materia is open to anyone with the knowledge to use it. Aerith, as a Cetra, has the capability to hear the planet which is pulling her to use the power, but not the exclusive capability. And I never said Aerith+Holy was not a threat. Just that Aerith- Holy would not have been.

so anyone can summon Holy once they have the materia for it? So even Barret or Cid can summon holy? did Mr. Gamescript ever say that?

i'd say Tifa can beat Aeris. It takes time to summon magic and all that so by that time, tifa can already beat Aeris up XP
11-23-2006, 06:32 AM
Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by blitz_king10

You're right, Aerith doesn't have exclusive capability to hear the planet - any living Cetra could. Hmmm... wait a minute! Aerith is the only living Cetra left! Therefore, Sephiroth was as worried about Aerith as he was about Holy, probably more, since Aerith was the one utilizing Holy, not vice versa.

Disagree. Holy was using Aerith to be cast, Aerith just went along with it.
Also, to be frank, the idea that the cetra, who are absolutely capable of looking exactly like and interbreeding with the rest of homo sapiens, died out is a silly notion. Or rather, that Aerith is the only one capable of hearing the planet (which she canonically isn't, mind. Bugen comes to mind), if their abilities are genetic, seems incredibly unlikely.

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How do we know Tifa is faster than Aerith? We have no evidence of Aerith being unable to move quickly, hence there is no way anybody can claim that Tifa moves faster than Aerith, which is what ~Reno~ was saying.

We have no evidence of Aerith being able to move quickly. Hence, we have no reason to believe she can. The only reason we have to believe that anyone can do anything is evidence that they can do so.
An example: We have no evidence that Cait Sith can't shoot laser beams out his ass. Maybe he can.

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Originally Posted by atlanteay

so anyone can summon Holy once they have the materia for it? So even Barret or Cid can summon holy? did Mr. Gamescript ever say that?

Theoretically yes, though I'd give Cid a better chance than Barret. If a non cetra can use the horrendous kill 'em all weapon with just a little bit of study, it would only make sense that the override code could be activated similarly. Hell, I'd make it even EASIER.
Every other Materia in existence has absolutely no racial limiter regarding its usage, merely the knowledge of its application, and this includes Meteor. That Holy is the sole exception does not follow.

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i'd say Tifa can beat Aeris. It takes time to summon magic and all that so by that time, tifa can already beat Aeris up XP

Especially if they start the battle with limit, or let Tifa use the utterly broken godhand/deathblow combo.
11-23-2006, 07:58 AM
XandrewX

Tifa..no doubt

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