Yes but she did get more peopel out cause of our planing. Just cause one was gone doesn't mean we lost. It helped a lot too so when i died there was still some of my thoughts still left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
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Yes but she did get more peopel out cause of our planing. Just cause one was gone doesn't mean we lost. It helped a lot too so when i died there was still some of my thoughts still left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Was talking to Alice/Shiny.
You don't know all the roles in this game of Mafia. MAYBE the roles are more balanced than you think. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
Nope, I didn't. Same time frames were used in both games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
If you hadn't lied to me about half of them maybe I would know, Lil Levy. :p
Oh, I didn't die technically speaking. Miriel did. Again.
Gawd poor miriel...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
People keep accusing me of lying! xD I don't get why!
Why would I tell you all the roles? :rolleyes: That's part of the point, you know. and I'd rather not have all the dead players knowing everything. Would suck to have the game ruined by some leak.
Well if there is more than one godfather then you would be lying since that was posted in the thread.
How is it genius, to just go to all your buddies, ask them what their role is, confirm that they're not messing with you, and then just go after the rest of the people simply by process of elimination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
That's not what the game is about. The game is about using voting patterns and behavior to figure out who is who. Not just simply going to someone and being like, "are you mafia? No? Really, you're not? Ok cool, let's find out if PersonB is also not Mafia."
Like I said earlier, that's like playing a game of Poker where you know what cards all your friends hold.
By forcing the game to remain in the thread, it'll be a lot more interesting. Who can you trust? Who can't you trust? How are you gonna convince people to vote alongside your vote? It'll make the role of the cops even harder and riskier. It's gonna make it a real strategy game rather than process of elimination game. Can't you guys see that making pacts and whatnot with people outside the game just makes the game too darn easy?
Also, to get BoB even more annoyed when he reads this thread, I'm going to go ahead and ban the use of Excel spreadsheets in the next game.
I'm no liar. :] 1 Godfather. I kinda wish I had written X Godfathers now, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
You told me there was Elite Bodyguard and Vengeful Townie. Elite bodyguard was a lie. Don't know about Vengeful Townie. But, the whole time you had me afraid that a mafia member was going to get killed for killing an elite. But, it's okay. Didn't matter in the end anyway. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Levian
Oh we're gonna make it real interesting the next round. :greenie: TRUST NO ONE!Quote:
Originally Posted by LevianI'm no liar. :] 1 Godfather. I kinda wish I had written X Godfathers now, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Shiny:
I have never told you that!
Psy told you that, and he said he wasn't entirely sure.
Wut. You told me on the mafia forum through PM. Oi vey.
Actaully i didn't really even talk to jojee before hand so the friendship was caused by this game. OS there was no, "hey are you a goodie or a baddie, TELL ME" None of that. It was "Hey what's this game about?" "Oh theres goodies baddies ect ect." "Oh cool so if you are good then you blah blah balh" So i kinda gathered that she was a goodie since the mafia could explain to her it all. So it was more helping to understand it then hey tell me cause i want to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by MirielHow is it genius, to just go to all your buddies, ask them what their role is, confirm that they're not messing with you, and then just go after the rest of the people simply by process of elimination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
That's not what the game is about. The game is about using voting patterns and behavior to figure out who is who. Not just simply going to someone and being like, "are you mafia? No? Really, you're not? Ok cool, let's find out if PersonB is also not Mafia."
BUT I see where you are coming form though, yes that shouldn't be done. But if it's more annyomous this next time, like you dont know who's playing then it'll eliminate that friend thing. UNLESS they do go ahead and tell them they are playing.
I say we use Final Fantasy characters, would be nice to see Rinoa get offed in the first round :p
Oh that. you asked about your safety at night, so I told you about those roles that could threaten your safety, I didn't say they were in the game. The first post in the mafia thread also specifies that the roles of the game are unknown and that the only possible roles to chose from were in the list in the second post. If I told you and nobody else that there was an elite bodyguard in the game, then that wouldn't be fair. So obviously I wouldn't tell anyone about which roles are in the game or not. I have informed about roles when asked about them, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
I can imagine the quips aswell, "Aeris being killed off by sephiroth again?". Do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloki
I thought about using Final Fantasy characters, but all the usernames would be taken anyway.
I don't want to take user names that people might actually use in the future.
There's no Pikachu on the forums?
Alice really was suspicious throughout. You might not see it but she was always very defensive compared to others and more notably never voted with the pack, constantly tried to raise suspicion towards others, etc. I don't think you've done anything outside of the thread so I don't see how we could base it on anything than what goes on in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
You also have to keep in mind that it's not just about being BLATANTLY suspicious but also the fact that most other people had something to support them while you didn't. It's not about being obviously suspicious, it's about being less suspicious than anyone else. You weren't! Also, you were outdone by the button mashing heavy weapon using master. I've never even played this game before and I have a 100% record. I'm almost tempted to never play again from this moment so I can keep that record going. xD ...almost. >=] Now I'll probably fail hard. :(
I really do think that this was all just down to poor strategy on behalf of the mafia. But oh well.
I'm really sorry, but if I was mafia I probably would have done almost everything differently than how the mafia did it in this game. Not only has the mafia strategy for posting been terrible but they're going on with blaming it all on the off-thread conversing. But you guys can easily get in on that and use it to your advantage! It's immensely risky business to converse outside of the game. If you want evidence of how seriously I mean that, just ask Dan how much I trusted him when he talked to me.
All these pacts meant NOTHING to me throughout the game, I'll have you know. Bambi tried to contact me, I told her that I don't want any part of it. In fact, it increased my suspicion of her and I only pulled out of voting for her when she went public with her information because sending it only to me was just very suspicious to me. If I was a mafia, saying "I am a ________" would be to my advantage. Mafia is all about lying to people. That's what you do - say you're not mafia, obviously. It's EVERYONE'S job in this game, in a way - possibly excepting the Jester. So what if someone comes to you outside of the thread? What are you supposed to say? "Oh, you're not a mafia? Thank God for that! Now I can clearly trust you! Because if you were a mafia, I know you'd have told me. Boy is this a big relief. Now I will tell you that I am a cop and you won't kill me at all because you told me you are a citizen, which no mafia would ever do."
I don't mind no spreadsheets though. I never used Robin's ones because I found they lacked interesting information which I gathered on my own (and I think one vote on the spreadsheet was inaccurate, but never bothered checking to be fair). I still suspect a person that Bambi copied in the PM to me to, as a possile mafia informant. I suspect freakin' everyone. I still suspect Bambi too, actually. I have no solid evidence that she is not mafia so it could be a very good trick. Same with Robin Hood. There are very few people I am convinced of the innocence of (and that was admittedly by intense questioning and my own in-depth investigations which took roughly an hour each time).
I think Lekana and Ojoj PM'ing each other and just starting off some conversation and then joining forces is a terrible risk by them but lucky enough for them it paid off. I personally didn't do any of that. I talked about the game for a very long time before I trusted anyone.
So in a way, I suppose I back the idea of not talking outside of the thread - because for the most part that's the strategy I've used with success. However I do not back the BANNING of such activity, because if people want to take that risk then they should be given the option. I'm eager to get a chance to be on mafia in some future game so I can exploit such a thing. >=] Dan did it expertly and I want to have a go too. Someday. The kind of information that people bandy about would be very useful if I was mafia, I tell you. I think roughly half of the people in this game have used non-thread communication (either giving or receiving), maybe more. It's certainly made things interesting.
But back to the point: If the mafia think that's the reason they are losing, they're sorely mistaken - to my knowledge, most of the votes haven't included people agreeing on who to vote for outside of the thread. They've discussed things but I personally never agreed on who to vote for, I made my own mind up while at work on every occasion. I think so, anyway. I can't remember where I was on day one.
Of course, it's entirely possible that the mafia could win from this point and I could look very silly for dismissing their strategy. >_>;
I think the townspeople have been insanely lucky and because of that the Mafia haven't had a chance to really plot, scheme or do anything as they've been having to cover their backs constantly. I don't think it's anything to do with skill, outside co-ercing etc, I think it's just luck.
*I* only made two posts as Alice and that was after people had made posts stating how suspicious Alice was. And prior to that, Alice was inactive while Levian was trying to find a replacement. So all in all, Alice really wasn't in a position to be suspected by people UNLESS people already figured out (through talking to people outside the game) who was citizen and using that info to figure out who might be Mafia. So you guys are trying to argue that in 3 rounds (4th round was when everyone ganged up on Alice), the first round in which everyone was pretty much joking around, and the 3rd round in which Alice wasn't really active, she managed to be the most suspect out of like 20 players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBAlice really was suspicious throughout. You might not see it but she was always very defensive compared to others and more notably never voted with the pack, constantly tried to raise suspicion towards others, etc. I don't think you've done anything outside of the thread so I don't see how we could base it on anything than what goes on in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
You also have to keep in mind that it's not just about being BLATANTLY suspicious but also the fact that most other people had something to support them while you didn't. It's not about being obviously suspicious, it's about being less suspicious than anyone else. You weren't! Also, you were outdone by the button mashing heavy weapon using master. I've never even played this game before and I have a 100% record. I'm almost tempted to never play again from this moment so I can keep that record going. xD ...almost. >=] Now I'll probably fail hard. :(
I really do think that this was all just down to poor strategy on behalf of the mafia. But oh well.
I'll agree with that, definitely, too. While a lot of it has been playing the percentages and going for the person most likely, on the Winnie/Alice one it was terribly difficult for me to decide who to go for, and picking between them ended up going down to who else was going for them and what I thought of those people. I think things through too far >_>;Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloki
Hmmm...for whoever does this in the future, an interesting role would be a corrupted cop. Basically, he appears to be a townsfolk when investigated, and is aware of all the other cops and their communication and the other cops think that he is a cop but in reality he isn't. Basically, he can feed ideas to the cop as well as inform the mafia as to the movement of the other cops. The only thing is, he cannot reveal who the other cops are. Though the last point would be the problem, you'd have to assume that he would not reveal them. I think I did not think out the idea well enough...oh well...
a[osidygpoasihg asoidgh. Yes, she was!
In every bit of honesty, nobody that I know of has investigated you and therefore I had no outside information on you. I just felt that Alice was really suspicious - even absences can seem suspicious.
The reason I suspected Alice was as follows...
1) NEVER voted for a proven mafia, regardless of how obvious it might have been at the time.
2) Constantly trying to raise suspicions of people but none of them (to my recollection) were mafia.
3) Voted 'wasted' votes, eg. Pluto in the middle of the Cinderella vs. Mickey war. Why vote for someone if you know they won't "win" at that point?
4) Very defensive.
5) Poor reasoning.
6) Had done everything to point us towards others but never pointed towards people that turned out to be mafia.
...I guess that covers it. "More suspicious than everyone else".
Maybe you don't see it that way but it was pretty obvious to me. Same goes for Winnie and Aladdin so we'll see what happens with them.
Please note that when I say 'you' I mean 'Alice', if I said 'you' at any point. So don't take it the wrong way. I understand you might be frustrated but if you wanted to stay hidden, you did a very poor job of camouflaging yourself amongst the citizens. Very stand-outish to me.
Wow, that Alice person caused alot of drama. This game turned out to be good after all. :)
Nah, I don't think it has. There's been two games which have included outside communications. In real life Mafia, you don't do that. The Mafia wiki even states that it's against the rules and the largest Mafia games played online don't have outside communications. So what's wrong with trying it different this next round? Sheesh. Who knows, it might make things a lot more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I wonder how they know there is no outside communication? I suppose they might KNOW that nobody knows each other's IM's or something, which could help.Quote:
Originally Posted by MirielNah, I don't think it has. There's been two games which have included outside communications. In real life Mafia, you don't do that. The Mafia wiki even states that it's against the rules and the largest Mafia games played online don't have outside communications. So what's wrong with trying it different this next round? Sheesh. Who knows, it might make things a lot more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
How in real life would the mafia be able to communicate with each other if nobody is allowed to? Just curious. I mean, how do they even play the game offline?
I think they figure if it's in the rules, most people will abide by them. Trusting people and all that good stuff.
This game is more fun in real life, trust me. You sit around in a circle and basically just go at it. There's lots of yelling and laughing involved. If you guys ever do EoFF meetups in the future, try playing this game IRL.
Actually, I'm thinking playing this game with a few of my friends offline and seeing how it goes. I'm just going to be the moderator though for the first go. Any tips?
In the real game people are all sitting together in the same room the whole time. During night we just close our eyes, and the GM calls each group to wake up one at a time. The cop/doc/mafia chooses the person they want to investigate/save/kill silently as to not give away their identity. All secret communication therefore has to be done silently, or through code in the daytime when everyone can talk.
Oh yeah, irl, a lot of the suspicions go like this:
*everyone closes eyes, Mafia does their thing*
*everyone opens eyes*
Pikachu: I HEARD YOU MOVE DIGLET!! I heard you move during the "night"! You're Mafia!
Diglet: Wtf, I didn't move! The sound came from my left, it was Squirtle! I swear you guys, I'm a citizen.
Pickachu: THAT'S WHAT MAFIA WOULD SAY IF THEY WERE TRYING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES! *throws a banana at Squirtle*
A lot of the earlier accusations are based entirely on how quiet or loud a person is during the "night". :p It's afterwards when things get rolling that accusations become based on voting patters and stuff.
Seriously, stop trying to justify failure by accusing people of basically cheating. At the end of the day, Alice was the mafia godfather, and people will have had their own reasons to vote for her and they turned out to be right. If you can't accept that people would find her behaviour suspicious, that's your own problem, go play a game you're good at.
Don't be a hypocrite. The "cheat" comment was followed by a :p which implied that I don't think anyone was actually CHEATING. How can you cheat if it's not against the rules? No one was cheating. It was a joke. Sheesh.
If you can't accept that some people would prefer the game to take place in the actual thread, then that's your problem. Deal with it.
Haha, you all make me laugh. ^o^
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel*I* only made two posts as Alice and that was after people had made posts stating how suspicious Alice was. And prior to that, Alice was inactive while Levian was trying to find a replacement. So all in all, Alice really wasn't in a position to be suspected by people UNLESS people already figured out (through talking to people outside the game) who was citizen and using that info to figure out who might be Mafia. So you guys are trying to argue that in 3 rounds (4th round was when everyone ganged up on Alice), the first round in which everyone was pretty much joking around, and the 3rd round in which Alice wasn't really active, she managed to be the most suspect out of like 20 players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBAlice really was suspicious throughout. You might not see it but she was always very defensive compared to others and more notably never voted with the pack, constantly tried to raise suspicion towards others, etc. I don't think you've done anything outside of the thread so I don't see how we could base it on anything than what goes on in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
You also have to keep in mind that it's not just about being BLATANTLY suspicious but also the fact that most other people had something to support them while you didn't. It's not about being obviously suspicious, it's about being less suspicious than anyone else. You weren't! Also, you were outdone by the button mashing heavy weapon using master. I've never even played this game before and I have a 100% record. I'm almost tempted to never play again from this moment so I can keep that record going. xD ...almost. >=] Now I'll probably fail hard. :(
I really do think that this was all just down to poor strategy on behalf of the mafia. But oh well.
Thread to long, skimmed it xD
If anyone thinks that somehow I cheated by knowing who Alice/other mafia were, I didn't. :p Suspected Alice since Day 1 because of her vote for Baloo, and said that since Day 1.
tl;dr
lol, bambi.
I didn't think her vote for Baloo was that suspicious, though maybe a little...I just thought she had a certain...mafia-ish aura to her...y'know?
lol what :p I just assume that's what you were getting at since I have been going for Alice since the start ^_^
I am 110% behind the changes Miriel and Del Miriel are bringing in.
Where did I ever say I had a problem with what people would prefer? I can see why people want it all in the thread and I can see why people want the freedom to discuss outside, neither one makes any difference to me, I'm not making the rules. Just can't be arsed to deal with someone whining about a non-issue because they're poor at the game. And don't try and fob anything off as a joke, in this thread and the other one before it was merged you were going on about Alice apparently not doing anything suspicious that warranted her being lynched, while apparently most of the other players clearly thought she did. You weren't joking, you were just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
There was plenty of outside of the game discussion on both sides last time and there was hardly any concern raised until after the game finished, and even then it was hardly a problem. The only reason anyone is kicking off a fuss now is because the mafia are getting their asses kicked, but that's been down to a mixture of luck and poor play by the mafia.
Do whatever you want with the game rules, I don't care, I'll play anyway. Just these lame excuses are pretty sad :monster:
Oh yeah, and calling someone "poor" at a game when I didn't even get a chance to PLAY makes a lot of sense. As though that's what this is about? Pfft. Just comes off as being an ass to me. :greenie:
I didn't say I was joking about the Alice thing. I personally didn't suspect her of being Mafia before I found out she was Mafia. And so I was suprised when I logged in and saw that the very first post in the new round was about lynching Alice. So that's just PERSONAL opinion. I was kidding about the cheating thing.
Well even though you knew when you took the role over that Alice was a mafia godfather you were still apparently incapable of seeing what most other people could, even after the role was outed. So seeing as that's all we've got to go on, what else would I assume?
And yeah, some of us don't hide behind implications. I've never said anything contrary to that claim either. :spin:
I don't even know what you're talking about any more. Seriously. :confused:
I just find it funny that all the people with known roles that are complaining about this are mafia members in this game, while someone who was a somewhat successful mafia member in the previous game thinks it's fine.
This will be starting again soon. Please pm myself or Miriel if you want to play. In the pm please tell us the following things:
1. If you are willing to share an account, and if so tell us if you have a preference on who to share with.
2. Whether you would rather be citizen or mafia, or it doesn't matter.