EoFF Mafia Dissidia

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Roles in the game: I think people are looking into the death post too heavily. A lot of the time these posts are just for flavor or story purposes, and the actions performed don't necessarily reflect the roles present in the game. If the post did reveal roles present in the game, I think far too much information would be revealed. I definitely think that some of the mafia staples like the Doctor and Sheriff are present, but I wouldn't read too much into them.

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No they're accurate descriptions. Karifean confirmed it. So we do need to pay attention to them. It is not just flavor text/story purpose.

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Originally Posted by Karifean

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

I have a question about these write-ups. They're fantastic Karifean, but when you mention the gender, or a hair colour or whatever: are they an accurate portrayal, or a sort of 'story' concept that we shouldn't take as gospel?

Just so we're aware when crafting theories. I've never played a game of Mafia when we've had detailed write-ups like this. I'm happy with them, I just need some clarification, thanks! :D

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They are an accurate recounting of the events that transpired during the night.

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As for the roles, scruff, Karifean also posted them in the intro thread of what they could possibly be.

Here's the spoiler from the first post.

Here is a list of roles as well as their abilities

Murderer
A Chaos-aligned role. Can kill someone every night. The chosen player is eliminated from the game unless protected by the Protector in the same night. The murderer cannot kill themselves.

Roleblocker
A Chaos-aligned role (in this game at least). Can block the ability of another player every night. Whatever night action the chosen player may have decided to do, it will not go through.

Lackey
A Chaos-aligned role. Can kill someone every night, but only one Lackey may perform a kill per night. If multiple Lackeys decide to do a kill they will all fail, so make sure to communicate. One Lackey being eliminated does not hamper the other Lackeys' ability to kill.

Detective
A Cosmos-aligned role. Can choose someone every night to investigate. The Detective will then be privately informed of the chosen player's alignment.

Protector
A Cosmos-aligned role. Can choose someone every night to protect. The chosen player is immune to being killed by the Murderer or Lackeys for this single night. The same player may be chosen repeatedly, but the Protector cannot protect themselves.

Switcher
Appears on either alignment. Can choose two people every night to switch. Night actions targeting one will target the other instead, and vice versa.

Identifier
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to investigate. The Identifier will then be privately informed of the chosen player's identity. They will not be informed of their role or ability.

Tracker
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to track. The Tracker will then be privately informed of who the chosen player used their ability on that night (if anyone). They will not be informed of anything but the chosen player's username.

Watcher
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to watch. The Watcher will then be privately informed of who used an ability on the chosen player that night. They will not be informed of anything but those players' usernames.

Vanilla
Appears on either alignment. Has no special abilities.

Unless specified otherwise you cannot target yourself with your ability. If you end up targeting yourself anyways due to the Switcher switching you and your intended target, your ability will simply fail.

And what roles will be in this game?

The Chaos side will definitely consist of either one Murderer and a supplementary role or two Lackeys. The supplementary role may be the Roleblocker, but it may also be any of the other 'either alignment' roles in the game.

The Cosmos side will definitely consist of at least a Detective, a Protector and one Vanilla player. The other Cosmos-aligned players may be any role that is not explicitly Chaos-aligned, including more Vanilla players.

On top of what Freya has said, Karifean specified in his OP that the roles of each individual would not be revealed:

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When a player is eliminated, their identity and alignment is openly revealed but their ability is not. You'll have to deduce what abilities remain in the game by yourselves.

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I mean, yeah, they're accurate, but I don't think their lore has anything to do with the characters. So I don't really think CID "remembering" anything about the victim has any relevance. Unless we are supposed to imagine him as Cid Kramer because some detail from his appearance may play a role in a future reveal?

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Originally Posted by Shauna

On top of what Freya has said, Karifean specified in his OP that the roles of each individual would not be revealed:

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When a player is eliminated, their identity and alignment is openly revealed but their ability is not. You'll have to deduce what abilities remain in the game by yourselves.

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So that would mean that we are missing either a detective or an identifier. So that leaves CID as the other. Depending on what that role is, he may be guaranteed Cosmos, or potentially Chaos. While Faris is either a tracker or a roadblocker, I think, making them another potential Chaos member.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

Okay, thanks Karifean. With that knowledge then, what Fox said is broadly accurate. I'd be interesting to ask what people's persona are. I know it isn't obligatory, and people could be lying, but if everyone voices who they are, we might learn something.

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Yeah, just to confirm to everyone that both me and Fox did kinda ask people to say who they were. I'm not putting much stock into them, because people could be lying or claiming something they are not. It is interesting though discussing the members here who have always claimed who they are (not knowing how much detail would be in write-ups), and those who claimed post-reveal.

I'm not saying everyone who claimed a persona post-reveal are Mafia, but it is definitely something to keep in mind as more details come through.

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Originally Posted by Fynn

I think the only person we can safely assume is completely honest about their identity is Formy since Keflavik was pretty clearly part of that description. So either he got it or was really lucky in guessing that someone had it - in which case the person who actually got Kefka knows that he's lying. That said, that doesn't mean he's truthful about everything - he could very well be working for Chaos but just decided to do nothing that night.

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Maybe I've not played enough Mafia games, but what does not doing anything gain? Especially so early on. I mean, if you're mafia, it's day six, and the heat is on you, then sure, but at Day One, it doesn't make sense not to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Shauna

Poor qwerty. But I generally disagree that we have to look into why qwerty was killed off. He didn't say anything of any real note. He was a town. He's a threat to the mafia by existing.

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True enough. As the days linger on though, it'd be worth considering how active that person was in conversation, to see whether they had any theories that would've spooked the mafia, or another reason. At this stage, it could very well be a 'eh, he'll do'.

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Originally Posted by Fynn

Here's a list of potential roles these people could have:

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Roleblocker
A Chaos-aligned role (in this game at least). Can block the ability of another player every night. Whatever night action the chosen player may have decided to do, it will not go through.

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Detective
A Cosmos-aligned role. Can choose someone every night to investigate. The Detective will then be privately informed of the chosen player's alignment.

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Identifier
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to investigate. The Identifier will then be privately informed of the chosen player's identity. They will not be informed of their role or ability.

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Tracker
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to track. The Tracker will then be privately informed of who the chosen player used their ability on that night (if anyone). They will not be informed of anything but the chosen player's username.

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Watcher
Appears on either alignment. Can choose someone every night to watch. The Watcher will then be privately informed of who used an ability on the chosen player that night. They will not be informed of anything but those players' usernames.

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Can I just say those five similar but different roles confuse the heck out of me.

That's kind of stupid. The formatting of the initial post in this thread is awful; I literally didn't even see the role list until just now.

I also think that the death post revealed way too much information. There's no way everyone should have access to who was investigated by whom, who was protected, etc.

Still, most of those roles can be any alignment, unlike in regular mafia where specific alignments have specific roles. It still makes things vague, just in a different fashion.

Yeah, the majority of the roles are either/or. There's still plenty of room for debate in these.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

Yeah, the majority of the roles are either/or. There's still plenty of room for debate in these.

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I disagree. Why would mafia have multiple abilities in a game with only ~7 town? I think at least one mafia has an ability, but the other would likely just be vanilla. It would make the game broken otherwise.

The game is honestly completely broken at this point. We have a bunch of character claims, known roles, and now we can see who performed which action against whom in the death post?

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

I also think that if it is the case that a female character really did kill qwertysaur, then it is logically between myself, FFNut, or an as of yet unidentified Faris. If someone claimed that character role, I must have missed it.

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Good point. I hadn't noticed that you guys claimed the girl roles. 1 in 3 chance is not bad. Especially since I have not much else to go on now.

##unvote: Freya

Hmmmmm... Normally I would vote FFnut, as you wouldn't point it out if it incriminates you in a way. But you are a veteran mafia player, by your own account, so I don't know... You could be misleading... Or banking on the mysterious third. For now, though:

##vote: Scruffington

Scruffy will die the way he lived.

*opens boobie magazine*

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

The game is honestly completely broken at this point. We have a bunch of character claims, known roles, and now we can see who performed which action against whom in the death post?

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Yet nothing concrete. If the game was broken we'd know who was who. As it happens, there's plenty of doubt still bubbling away.

And we have a list of potential roles that are included, but not a clue who might be who. And character claiming is basically role claiming. I mean, yes, this game is run rather differently from how I've played it before, but I wouldn't say it is a bad thing. I'd certainly wait until after the game was finished before providing feedback.

Well, since the votes are rolling out, and people can still change them later on, I guess it's time to

##vote: Shauna

The way she pointed at Nutty makes a lot of sense now that I consider the option that she might be the third girl in disguise. Since Scruffy and Nutty went out of their way to reveal that they're girls despite knowing that the killer was a girl, and Shauna followed after with a statement that she's Shadow, which cannot be proven in any way since he wasn't in the narrative, this seems like the soundest choice at the moment. I might still change my vote should someone convince me otherwise, but so far it really makes sense to me.

Saying your gendel/role/whatever first doesn't make you cosmos. Classic mafia move.

Other candidates I feel would fit are Freya and Aerith's Knight since they have both stayed silent when it comes to revealing their identities, though I have my personal suspicions in that regard. Again, might be completely off the mark, but that's the way I see it at the moment.

By that logic, Nutty is still more suspicious than Scruffy in that regard, IMO. He was first and was so happy to share with us all that he's vanilla. Still, I still kinda think that might have been a newbie mistake that Shauna used to her advantage. I can see Scruffy's move as being an attempt to make it more evident that he's Cosmos, but in my opinion he's still not off the hook. It's just that the others are sending me way more red flags.

Let me just break this down with a game-breaking post:


-black-haired adolescent gets watched
This is Noctis (Fynn), who was watched by someone

-androgynous person watches
This is Faris (???), a "watcher"

-knight in white armor protects
This is (???), a Doctor

-girl is protected
This is either Lenna (FFNut) or Garnet (myself)

-another (or same) girl kills
This is either Lenna (FFNut), Garnet (myself) or Faris (???)

-blond guy watches colorful man, is killed
This is Seifer (qwertysaur), who watched Kefka (Formalhaut)

-old man watches colorful man, lives
This is Cid (Fox), who watched Kefka (Formalhaut)

-colofrul man is watched
This is Kefka (Formalhaut)


Based off of this, we can conclude a multitude of roles:

Noctis (Fynn) did not appear to perform an action.
Seifer (qwertysaur) watched someone. He is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.
Garnet (Scruffington) did not appear to perform an action.
Cid (Fox) watched someone. He is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.
Kefka (Formalhaut) was watched and did not appear to perform an action.
Lenna (FFNut) did not appear to perform an action.
Shadow (Shauna) did not appear to perform an action.
(Faris) watched someone. She is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.
(???) protected Lenna, Faris or Garnet. They are a Doctor.


This means that we have three confirmed investigative roles and players:
Seifer (qwertysaur), Cid (Fox) and Faris (???).


We have a confirmed Doctor:
Freya (???)


And a few players who did not perform any actions:
Garnet (Scruffington), Noctis (Fynn), Lenna (FFNut), Kefka (Formalhaut), and Shadow (Shauna).


Out of this pool of five players who did not perform an action:
- 1 is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier
- 1 is a Murderer
- 1 is a Lackey
- 1 is a Roleblocker
- 1 is a Vanilla Town
- 1 is a Switcher

Since the mafia has a supplementary role, 2/5 of these positions must be mafia. This also means that 2/5 of the following players are mafia:
Garnet (Scruffington), Noctis (Fynn), Lenna (FFNut), Kefka (Formalhaut), and Shadow (Shauna).


This is why you don't reveal so much in the death post. This game is over.

I want to discuss my thoughts about who is trending suspicious for me:

FFNut: It's almost too obvious at this point, which has the effect of making me question how genuinely Mafia-like he is. The thing is: if Nutty is Mafia, his Mafia partner must be advising him against further penalty. If Nutty was Mafia, tripping up once is acceptable, understandable. If I was his partner, I'd be telling him to stay low, don't say [x], don't vote for [x], especially knowing that Nutty is new to Mafia. If they were communicating like they should be, Nutty shouldn't be making so many obvious, subsequent suspicious errors.

Which is why I'm torn. On the one hand, Nutty is an obvious candidate for lynch. On the other hand, if he was Mafia, I'm honestly surprised his Mafia partner hasn't told him to stay low. It's tricky. It might be the case that the suspicion gets too much and I'll vote for Nutty, but it almost seems too obvious.

Aerith's Knight: Pops in, votes, leaves. Aerith's Day One vote was for the bandwagon, Day Two has seen a very early vote for Freya because she was covering for me, yet links to no posts that may hint at that. He seems very sure I'm Mafia. The reasoning seems decent enough on paper, but there wasn't a lot of evidence for it. He's posting more though, which is good. I kinda want to see more from him.

Shauna: Her votes for FFNut seem so obvious. On Day One, she encourages a Formalhaut bandwagon, devoting two paragraphs as to my suspicion, before deciding to vote for FFNut, which wouldn't have amounted to much, and didn't. I'm only half suspicious of this because Shauna did say why she was voting for Nutty, for all the reasons covered elsewhere. But encouraging one bandwagon while voting for another is a decent way to draw attention off of yourself if said bandwagon turns out to be town.

Otherwise, her obsession with FFNut is something to watch. Shauna has been commenting on other business, but being inquisitorial towards FFNut has been my main impression of her posts, having not trawled through all the pages because who has time for that? Claiming Shadow is suspicious but not damning.

Scruffy: What posts aren't ranting about the game (sorry!) are fairly astute, though most seem to draw on existing Mafia knowledge. I'd like to hear more about his thoughts on individuals. He's certainly experienced, I'd like to see him talk more.

Freya: Hard to get a read on. I haven't really looked at her posts properly yet. Whether or not that's a good thing or not kinda depends.

Fox: Been rather quiet. Went on a bandwagon in Day One. I don't remember any obvious posts today. Ugh, my memory is bad.

Fynn: Has the least red flags in my opinion. There's not really much else to say, really. Not many red flags crop up.

OOC:	Remember that moment when I said "I'm not big on revealing much in flavor text." And Scruffington was all, no I'm going to argue this a lot! Good times scruff.

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Originally Posted by Freya

OOC:	Remember that moment when I said "I'm not big on revealing much in flavor text." And Scruffington was all, no I'm going to argue this a lot! Good times scruff.

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OOC: That wasn't what I was arguing for, though.

My whole point was just to clarify which faction performs kills. That was literally it. Not "girl killed x" but "mafia/Serial Killer killed x". And investigations should always be PM'd, never revealed openly to the public.

OOC: but they're not completely revealed - no one really knows what Seifer, CID, and Faris found out!

To be honest though, Identities are NOT revealed. Everything everyone is telling you could be a lie on their identity. They could be Tidus and say they are Cloud. Or whatever. It's pretty trusting to assume everything is who they say they are.

Or we could you know, play the game, let it end, give feedback and make for an even better Mafia game next time.

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Originally Posted by Freya

To be honest though, Identities are NOT revealed. Everything everyone is telling you could be a lie on their identity. They could be Tidus and say they are Cloud. Or whatever. It's pretty trusting to assume everything is who they say they are.

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They aren't revealed, but I have no reason to doubt anyone's claims. They didn't reveal their roles after all; just their characters. It just so happens that their character's actions were revealed in the death post, thus exposing their role within the game.

I also thought I was able to explain any questions towards me. If not feel free to ask again and I will answer.

OOC:	Yeah let's take all talk ABOUT the mafia gameplay to the other thread and leave this one for actual game discussion. Sorry if I encouraged that behavior.

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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But Aerith's Knight is Aerith!

The reason to doubt them is very simple - this is mafia. Trust no one.

Seven to eight characters were revealed - that leaves one or two people that can claim to be whatever they want for now. Then there are two characters whom we do not know which players they are. That leaves us with four people - out of eight - with identities that could be completely false.

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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How?

Honestly I dunno how anyone can be suspicious of an old Oglop who went to space in Balamb Garden.

I don't have super compelling suspicions any way in particular right now other than FFNut whose reasoning seems to change with the direction of the wind, and I definitely don't think I would be able to take a reasonable guess at who the 2nd (non-murdering) Mafia member is. The only thing I know with confidence is that the killer was a female character, so I'm tempted to take a crack at lynching someone we suspect to be a female character.

...That paragraph sounded a lot more like a literal witch hunt than I had anticipated.

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Originally Posted by Fynn

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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How?

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Sorry, I meant to clarify my post. It's not 100% which of Aerith's Knight or Freya is the Doctor, but it's a 50/50. I believe it's Freya. And it ultimately does not matter who has what role, because both are town.

So just to sum up the votes we have thus far:

Shauna - 2/5 (FFNut, Fynn)

Scruffington - 1/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 Aerith's Knight

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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How?

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Sorry, I meant to clarify my post. It's not 100% which of Aerith's Knight or Freya is the Doctor, but it's a 50/50. I believe it's Freya. And it ultimately does not matter who has what role, because both are town.

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Not really, since Faris can still very well be Chaos-aligned. Cecil (I think) is the one we can be sure of.

Wait, there's a Cecil?

I mean, at least I assume the knight in white armor is Cecil.

Maybe White isn't literal? Could be like... just shining? Maybe it's Steiner!

It doesn't really matter at this point. I used Cecil as a shorthand, and we'll probably not know who it really is until the end of their game - or at least the end of the game for them ;)

##vote: Don Quixote

A mysterious benevolent voyager appears.

The man with red hair in purple clothing watches it curiously with a smile on his face, deciding on the best course of action. He decides to leave it be for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Pumpkin

##vote: Don Quixote

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YOU'RE FUNNY YOU NON PLAYER YOU!

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Originally Posted by Karifean

A mysterious benevolent voyager appears.

The man with red hair in purple clothing watches it curiously with a smile on his face, deciding on the best course of action. He decides to leave it be for the time being.

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What. WHAT?

(He's talking about himself)

(Oh xD I didn't realize, EVERYTHING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME)

Well, that happened.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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But Aerith's Knight is Aerith!

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EL GASP! No, I'm not. I just had a 'period' of fandom about 10-12 years ago. >_>

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Aerith is still best girl.

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

Also we can confirm now that Aerith's Knight is Faris. Freya is the Doctor and cannot be Faris.

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How?

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Sorry, I meant to clarify my post. It's not 100% which of Aerith's Knight or Freya is the Doctor, but it's a 50/50. I believe it's Freya. And it ultimately does not matter who has what role, because both are town.

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Well, I mean, he's right. So I'll give him that.

That meaaaaans...

I can use this account. Finally.

: D

Nah, jk, made it for fun. Won't use it from now on.

That's Faris? Kinda looks like James from Pokemon's Team Rocket.

It's the standard from the EoFF avatars.

There are better pictures on the internet, let me tell you.

Anyway, Scruffy has my jib. He knows too much. He's too dangerous. If he's the mafia, then we're all screwed!

Get him!

I am staying steadfast with my vote as is now. Shauna is either the third girl, or she is the helper... I think.

I feel like we've been mired in meta discussions about stuff that isn't strictly Mafia. Of course, talking is all we have, and that pesky Mafia is happy for us to waste our time. So let's get back to discussion. Having weighed up the people, and looking at who I personally feel is the most suspicious:

##VOTE: Shauna

This is not final. I'd like Shauna to defend herself first, without mentioning the name 'FFNut'. Because I think I've heard enough of why FFNut is so damn suspicious :p

Asking someone to defend themselves is pretty much just a death sentence. If you want to vote me, then do it. If from all the actions today, you're thinking I'm top of the list, then nothing I can say will change your mind. :p But since you asked so nicely, here's a defence, for all that it's worth.

As far as I can tell, the reason I'm suspicious is because I asked questions to someone who has been acting incredibly shady, and because I said I was Shadow when we were asked to reveal our characters.

Well, the latter is never going to change, no matter how much you all think it doesn't fit the narrative. I'm Shadow! I have no night action! That's the only defence I have, and it's only worth as much weight as any of you will put in it. I myself said earlier that everyone will say that they're town, so it's generally worthless.

And on the first count... that's what we're supposed to do. Talk. Find out why people are thinking the way they do. If someone says something off, call them out and find out why they said it. Which brings me to your own concern from yesterday, that I asked you questions about your actions, while at that same time feeling that someone else was raising more red flags? Why is that suspicious, exactly? Asking questions and pointing things out isn't the same as accusing them of being Mafia.

Well, to be honest I kinda wanted a summary of the arguments for and against you. Trawling through posts is hard.

Your actions just seem suspicious, primarily because your neat summary of my actions occurred just as the bandwagon against me began to gather steam. The action in and of itself is fine, you're just asking questions. What makes it suspicious is the timely nature of it all. By the time of the post, the count was at about 3. Not that people can make commentary at the brink of a lynch, but...

Claiming 'no night action' is fine. How many people have claimed vanilla now? Just Shauna?

... ultimately, it's pretty circumstantial. Which is why I both love and hate Mafia, because I'm basically condemning someone to death on a hunch.

Ugh, I wish we had forensics on this one.

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Originally Posted by Shauna

Well, the latter is never going to change, no matter how much you all think it doesn't fit the narrative. I'm Shadow! I have no night action! That's the only defence I have, and it's only worth as much weight as any of you will put in it. I myself said earlier that everyone will say that they're town, so it's generally worthless.

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That's a slipup. Sorry mate, but Fynn didn't do nuthing (did do, but I'm getto-ing it up) in the night, which means you both would be vanilla, and that's a no no. So either case, I know who to vote for tomorrow.

##unvote: Scruffy (You live another day, madman)
##vote: Shauna

What? I didn't say anything about Fynn?

Ah right, I understand. Should avoid mafia first thing in the morning.

There is definitely one vanilla town. There may be more Vanilla. At a maximum, I'd say about three people are vanilla town, at a maximum. The more people either claim to be it, or do nothing over the night, the more suspicious it becomes.

Why is is unfeasible that there is more than one Vanilla Town? Going by what Karifean has said in the OP, there are two Mafia. That leaves 7 town-aligned folk. I wouldn't be surprised at the revelation that more than one of them don't have a role. But why does that surprise you?

This is the second time though, AK, that you have casually jumped on a bandwagon. Yesterday your reasoning was for the lulz, and today your reasoning doesn't make sense. Interesting.

I am personally pretty convinced that AK is either a roleblocker, which is a Chaos-aligned role, or a tracker, which could go either way.

So:

Shauna - 4/5 (FFNut, Fynn, Formalhaut, Aerith's Knight)

Scruffington - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)


Did I miss anyone?

Right, to recap what we learned about Night One, I'll steal Scruffy's post, with the amendments about AK being Faris included. Not much else has been discussed up to this point, so hopefully we can glean more information before the day is out. As long as no jerks come in and throw a final vote on me to end the day prematurely. :p

Noctis (Fynn) did not appear to perform an action.
Seifer (qwertysaur) watched someone Kefka (Formalhaut).
Garnet (Scruffington) did not appear to perform an action.
Cid (Fox) watched someone Kefka (Formalhaut).
Kefka (Formalhaut) did not appear to perform an action.
Lenna (FFNut) did not appear to perform an action.
Shadow (Shauna) did not appear to perform an action.
Faris (Aerith's Knight) watched someone (Fynn).
??? (Freya) protected Lenna, Faris or Garnet.
Lenna, Faris or Garnet killed Seifer.

This information unfortunately makes it easy for a potential roleblocker to ruin everyone's night. But this is what we have.

As an aside, does each person only get one action per night? For example, would a roleblocker be able to role block as well as choosing a person to kill? I mean, it doesn't specify in the role list that a roleblocker can kill, so if a roleblocker's cohort were to be taken out, do they even have the ability to kill another player in the night phase?

So by that logic, should we treat Faris being described as an androgynous person first as a red herring?

What do you mean?

If we assume Faris is the killer - the killer who is most definitely described as a girl - we'd have to ignore the fact that she was described as an androgynous individual (with "they/them" pronouns and everything), or assume that the game master purposefully used two descriptors for one character just to confuse us.

I don't quite follow why Shauna has 4 votes here. There are way more suspicious people IMO. And I feel like stopping the murderer should be a high priority for obvious reasons. To that end...

##Vote: FFNut

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If we assume Faris is the killer - the killer who is most definitely described as a girl - we'd have to ignore the fact that she was described as an androgynous individual (with "they/them" pronouns and everything), or assume that the game master purposefully used two descriptors for one character just to confuse us.

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Ah, right. I understand. I just put down all the claimed females there - I personally do not think Faris did a killing, but it led me to my thought experiment above, so I decided to leave it until we get an answer. If we get an answer.

I also don't think they did the killing, as from my understanding of the rules that isn't really a possibility. But yeah, we need Karifean to confirm that.

Every player may only have one role.

So even if Faris is potentially Chaos-aligned, they are not the killer since they already used their ability to watch me.

So if that player's role does not include killin', then they are unable to kill?

Right, my day at work is almost over. I don't know whether I'll be home for the end of the day, because I'm away out this evening.

##Vote: FFNut

soz bud you're shady as heck

Shauna - 4/5 (FFNut, Fynn, Formalhaut, Aerith's Knight)

FFNut - 2/5 (Fox, Shauna)

Scruffington - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

I think we have enough leeway that we can afford a lynch or two outside of the "female" suspect.

What I find ironic is that out of the five suspects, three have directly voted for Shauna (Fynn, Formalhaut and FFNut). Lynching Shauna will pretty much confirm that two of these three players is mafia.

So basically if we lynch Shauna and she turns out to be town, we still gain a good amount of information and our odds get better the next day.

;_;

Brutal.

of course, we still have the fact that two people investigated me. Even if said investigators didn't want to reveal that I'm Mafia because it places a target on their back and reveals their role (which is fair enough), it should be noted that no-one has tried to subtlety implicate me as Mafia on this Day. Compared to the bandwagon on Day One, it's actually been pretty quiet.

Which does make Flynn and Nutty somewhat more suspicious. It all depends on whether or not Shauna flips town. Which, admittedly, I'm less certain she's Mafia. But I've stuck to my decision, mistake or not.

Except only one investigating role actually checks for alignment - the detective. Aside from that, the identifier checks identity, and the investigator checks role, so basically, Qwert could have been a detective or investigator while Fox was an identifier who only confirmed that you're Kefka.

So you're not off the hook yet, Forms :p

(And I saw that typo :stare: regrettable)

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Originally Posted by Fynn

Except only one investigating role actually checks for alignment - the detective. Aside from that, the identifier checks identity, and the investigator checks role, so basically, Qwert could have been a detective or investigator while Fox was an identifier who only confirmed that you're Kefka.

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I was typing on an iPad, my bad!

And I'm still working my head around the whole 'similar but different' investigative roles. I'm used to there just being a 'detective', and that's that.

Also, if Qwerty/Seifer was the detective, was bad luck for our detective to be killed off in Night One.

If fox was investigating Formy for whatever reason, they wouldn't be on the same team. What's the point of that when you can talk to your team mate. :monster:

Fox and formy are not on the same chaos team.

So whatever fox found out, but doesn't want to share, is what is interesting. Fox has not pushed for formy to be lynched. Whatever fox found out, isn't incriminating on formy.

If Fox is Cosmos, pushing for a town is bad after you know they're good, that's obvious.

If Fox is Chaos, pushing for a town after having your investigation somewhat public, is extremely bad for you. If we lynch formy, formy is town, fox is in a very very bad light.

If fox is Cosmos and their evidence isn't strong for a lynch, it could be just not enough to judge by so it's skipped. It depends on what Fox found out on what they know on why they'd do whatever.

A + B = I don't even know

That's a pretty good summary, I think. Fynn is correct though: Fox/Cid might just be an identifier, which is basically a poor man's Detective. My alignment isn't automatically resolved just because someone visited me in the night.

It will be very interesting to see who is investigated the coming night, though. There's A LOT of suspicion hanging around FFNut (and not without good reason). Fynn and Scruffy might be targets as well. Even you, Freya, as your character isn't as pinned down. People might investigate you for the flavour-text alone.

I'm fairly confident that our mafia is currently on different voting paths. That way if one person is on the wrong side, they other will at least look better. :chocobo:

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I'm fairly confident that our mafia is currently on different voting paths. That way if one person is on the wrong side, they other will at least look better. :chocobo:

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Not a bad argument. Definitely at least one person who is currently voting for Shauna is Mafia. Well, I say definitely, I'm not hundred percent, but it seems likely.

If the wrong people get lynched and not protected in the night, this game will end on day four after the lynch.

After today, if it's a townie lynched, it'll be 7 total people, 5-2
Night 2 = 6 total, 4-2
Day 3 = 5 total, 3-2
Night 3 = 4 total, 2-2
Day 4 = 3 total, 1-2

That's if the mafia can keep low the whole time, they'll have to make it two days.

If The doctor can get a good protection down then that makes their lives harder.

So say

Night 2 = 5-2

Then that gives an extra day. They can't have that, it's a harder that way. They have til the end of day 4. Any bump in that makes life harder.

So thanks for that guys. :gator:

stoll, even if today's lunch will turn out false, we'll be one step closer to catching the actual killer, which may as well happen on day three. A single Chaos representative that cannot kill will still be manageable and will definitely give us more time.

Thought I would update my info log with some new information revealed.

--CURRENT PLAYERS--

Noctis (Fynn) did not appear to perform an action.
Garnet (Scruffington) did not appear to perform an action.
Cid (Fox) watched someone. He is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.
Kefka (Formalhaut) was watched and did not appear to perform an action.
Lenna (FFNut) did not appear to perform an action.
Shadow (Shauna) did not appear to perform an action.
Faris (Aerith's Knight) watched someone. She is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.


--COSMOS-ALIGNED--
Freya (???) is a Doctor.


--DECEASED--
Seifer (qwertysaur) watched someone. He is a Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.

--Detective, Watcher, Tracker, or Identifier.--
Fox (Cid)
Aerith's Knight (Faris)
???


--UNKNOWN--
Garnet (Scruffington)
Noctis (Fynn)
Lenna (FFNut)
Kefka (Formalhaut)
Shadow (Shauna)

I made some mistakes with my last post. The only 100% confirmed town at this point is Freya. Everyone else is fair game.

:roll:

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

I made some mistakes with my last post. The only 100% confirmed town at this point is Freya. Everyone else is fair game.

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Things go from game over to game very much on. Sorry, I don't mean to mock. It's a good summation, and very organised. Like, seriously. For the sake of enlightening my slow-to-catch-up mind though, why is Freya 100% town?

only role not claimed/identity is the protector

protector is a cosmos-only role

I am the only one who hasn't said anything about my identity. None of the identities claimed fit the role of the protector described because people were silly to try not to take that role.

:monster:

BLATANTLY POINTING IT OUT definitely puts a target on my back though

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w_oU5O0bSB...0/comeatme.gif

Because if we're right about everything else - regardless of whether Shauna is lying or not - Freya's the only one without a revealed identity, and Cecil - our Protector - is the only character without a player.

Oh she beat me to it

How suspicious ;)

:gator:

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

I made some mistakes with my last post. The only 100% confirmed town at this point is Freya. Everyone else is fair game.

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Things go from game over to game very much on. Sorry, I don't mean to mock. It's a good summation, and very organised. Like, seriously. For the sake of enlightening my slow-to-catch-up mind though, why is Freya 100% town?

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At the time I made the post, only two identities weren't claimed: Faris and an unknown ninth character. Yesterday Aerith's Knight claimed Faris, so that leaves Freya as the ninth character.

The ninth character was also the Doctor. The other players had revealed their identities, but none protected anyone except the person who we didn't know about.

In hindsight I shouldn't have exposed the Doctor's identity...that was kind of a mistake.

The day is almost ended though, we have an hour. And the :cat: is out of the bag

I'm probably going to be a target now for the night because why the hell wouldn't you kill me.

For the record:

FFNut was protected. I did this solely because he was a newbie and I wanted him to have a chance at playing this game and having fun so I didn't want him to die right off the bat if he wasn't a mafia and randomly got chosen. :monster:

Sorry I haven't been active today. Very busy at work but have been checking in.

I believe Fox is an identifier. Also for the record. Which is why they don't have that much to reveal. They revealed Formy was kefka like he said. Or those are my thoughts.

He might as well choose not to reveal more because being assumed to be an identifier is safer than being an exposed detective.

So FFNUT was protected. He was a girl. A girl killed Seifer.

Right, makes sense. There's only one unclaimed identity, and one unclaimed role. Makes sense, then. This unknown ninth character is intriguing me, to be honest. I'd like to know what the last identity is!

A girl is a very vague statement. Everyone else has other descriptors, like 'a colourful man', or 'a black haired' whatever. 'A girl' is a very weak description. You'd only really describe someone with gender only if there was only one of that gender...

But now I'm thinking too hard about the flavour-text again :p

Well that's about as much as any of you have on me so :monster:

My feelings on Fox if he's chaos or cosmos flip flops a bit.

Shauna seems shady to me for sure though, but she always seems shady and she's like always mafia so like yeah.

FFNut has been all over the place for me, I think he's newbie but I think he's bad but I think he's good.

AK is just acting erratically. And he thinks it's fun.

Fynn I am suspicious of too. I can't pin point why though. I mean if i analyzed everything well, i probably could.

Formy is like fox in I keep wishy washying it. I'm leaning more toward cosmos merely for the other thread. I don't think he'd try to get Mr. Carn in the game if he was mafia cause Mr. carn would come in knowing too much. But that's just :shifty: not supposed to influence the game :shifty:

Scruff I think is cosmos because he seemed upset that so much was revealed. But he did out me.

Plus the fact that you've pointed fingers at Nutty at every opportunity :p

Keep in mind Formy asked Carny a while ago and he just came up here really late :p

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So FFNUT was protected. He was a girl. A girl killed Seifer.

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There are three 'girls' in the game: myself, FFNut and Aerith's Knight. From my point of view it's a 50% chance on them being mafia, though to everyone else in the game it's a 1/3 chance. Either way the options are to commit to rolling the dice today and tomorrow, or wait for more information.

I haven't felt like any case has been concrete enough to vote anyone and no one has influenced me one way or the other with their talk either. At this current time with current votes, in like 40 mins, shauna will be lynched.

I understand Freya. The thing is I am officially Cosmos aligned in game, but I am seduced by the forces of darkness at every turn. I think if someone in real life were to betray everyone he loves to evil, it would probably be me.

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Formy is like fox in I keep wishy washying it. I'm leaning more toward cosmos merely for the other thread. I don't think he'd try to get Mr. Carn in the game if he was mafia cause Mr. carn would come in knowing too much. But that's just :shifty: not supposed to influence the game :shifty:

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Gee, thanks. Like me and my boyfriend can't play a game together and not cheat.

Honestly, Aerith's Knight is so erratic I have no idea what to think of him. I'm verging towards Chaos, probably because a townie would try and talk it out more and not be so furtive, erratic and strangely unhelpful. He only really pops in to vote.

I was thinking you'd be more excitedly talking about it and at that point try to get him to join in. Not maliciously cheat, wasn't suggesting that!

I just re-read what was written. Thank you for your protection Fraya.

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Shauna - 4/5 (FFNut, Fynn, Formalhaut, Aerith's Knight)

FFNut - 2/5 (Fox, Shauna)

Scruffington - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

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This is still accurate I believe. Scruff and myself being the only ones not having voted.

If scruff and I vote FFNut, that stalemates the day and it can't end, i think, that's up to karifean. But then someone can hop and put the ax to FFnut easily by switching.

Aside from Freya, I don't think any one of us is abode suspicion.

Considering the rules, Chaos either has:

- one murderer and one other character that can be any role aside from the Cosmos-exclusive roles (which means they might be vanilla)
- two lackeys, only one of which can kill at once, which effectively makes the other behave like a vanilla townie at the night of the murder


Because of that, whether any of us is confirmed as vanilla or not from the description, we're still all Chaos-potential

*above

Stupid phone

Eh, it was worth a shot. I'm dead in 30 minutes regardless.

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Originally Posted by Shauna

So FFNUT was protected. He was a girl. A girl killed Seifer.

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There are three 'girls' in the game: myself, FFNut and Aerith's Knight. From my point of view it's a 50% chance on them being mafia, though to everyone else in the game it's a 1/3 chance. Either way the options are to commit to rolling the dice today and tomorrow, or wait for more information.

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I feel like all female characters should be taking this opportunity to vote to lynch another female character. If everyone is who we think they are, you have a 50/50 chance of taking out a mafia member by voting to lynch a girl (if you are innocent of course). Whereas the rest of us have a 1/3 with the same philosophy.

I think it's kinda suspicious that 2 of our 3 known girls are voting Shauna - someone who we believe is Shadow and not the killer.

My hypothesis, therefore, is that FFNut and AK are in league with each other, and FFNut is the murderer.

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But now I'm thinking too hard about the flavour-text again :p

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Sure, thinking too hard about the flavour text was okay when it was incriminating me, but now that someone else might be incriminated, might as well take a hands off approach to the whole thing!

Remember town: Asking questions is the exact same as pointing fingers! Don't do it!

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Eh, it was worth a shot. I'm dead in 30 minutes regardless.

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I'm probably dead in the night, let's party as dead people. :beer:

Go town! Throwing your doctor under the bus was a great idea! 10/10 play

Hang on, wasn't the general groupthink was that Freya was the Protector/Doctor?

Oh God not dealing in certainties is killing me.

I will say that killing me you will be killing a Vanilla Cosmos.

All troutposting aside, since that's admissible in this game and will come under no scrutiny at all, I hope my death gets all the necessary information you need to weed out the mafia.

Don't stop asking questions, don't let weird behaviour and rubbish nothing posts fly under the radar. I believe in you. <3

Throwing them under the bus, as in revealing that she is the protector through deduction. Drawing attention to it so Chaos can see more clearly. Kinda forcing Freya to out herself.

##Vote: FFNut

To maybe even the score. Sorry bb :aimkiss: I wanted you to survive your first night to have a chance at playing the game. But this bandwagon voting is uncomfortable for me.

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I will say that killing me you will be killing a Vanilla Cosmos.

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Sure thing. Just keep reminding everyone that you are 100% vanilla town and have never done a thing wrong.

No problems. This is just a game. If I go, I had fun and look forward to playing with you all next time.

##VOTE: FFNut

Throwing in another twist.

IT'S ALL KICKING OFF AT THE LAST MINUTE!!!!

Oh man. If I get this wrong, boy will my face be red :shobon:

WHAT

With my death it should open up the game for everyone. There is only one other that could be the killer. My death will expose Chaos.

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Oh man. If I get this wrong, boy will my face be red :shobon:

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not only that but I am pretty certain I'll be lynched without a second thought tomorrow!

It is all down to the WIRE

Shauna - 3/5 (FFNut, Fynn, Formalhaut, Aerith's Knight)

FFNut - 4/5 (Fox, Shauna, Freya, Formalhaut)

Scruffington - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Even though my vote is for FFNut to die...

...it still feels like shooting Bambi, you know?

Why the change of heart Formalhaut? What changed, exactly?

That is fine if you kill me Fox. It will expose the killer. Go team Cosmos.

FFNut - 4/5 (Fox, Shauna, Freya, Formalhaut)

Shauna - 3/5 (FFNut, Fynn, Formalhaut, Aerith's Knight)

Scruffington - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

Freya - 0/5 (Aerith's Knight)

I will explain. For my part, not being the most astute or expert player, I believe Shauna and FFNut to both be suspcious, for reasons outlined by myself and others. At this very late stage, either FFNut or Shauna is going to be lynched. Doubt is everywhere, but two things have just happened. One, Shauna claimed Protector/Doctor. Two, FFNut has claimed Vanilla Town. In the event of a mistake and they are both town, we must go for the Vanilla Town option as the least damaging option.

I mean, yes, nothing is certain. But I must do what I believe is the best course of action for the town. Dramatic and suspicious as it may be, I feel this is the best option for town.

I'm really sorry Nutty. If you ARE town, I am REALLY sorry about this.

How will it expose the killer?

I personally don't think FFNut is mafia. I really don't want to roll the dice between him and Aerith's Knight just yet.

On the other hand I have reservations about voting Shauna. She claimed vanilla town and no one has counter-claimed her role. This could also be a strategy by one of the people voting for her who is in fact the real vanilla town (Fynn or FFNut). I'm not sure what to make of it.

##unvote: FFNut

can I unvote?

I never claimed doctor. xD Freya is our doctor, she admitted as such. Why are you peddling this misinformation?

FFnut did ask clarification about a night role early on and then now claims vanilla. So there is that.

There are only three confirmed females. Scruff myself, and AK. In this knowing AK's power leaves Scruff as the killer.

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One, Shauna claimed Protector/Doctor. Two, FFNut has claimed Vanilla Town.

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I'm Shadow! I have no night action!

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Shauna claimed Vanilla. Not Doctor.

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I personally don't think FFNut is mafia. I really don't want to roll the dice between him and Aerith's Knight just yet.

On the other hand I have reservations about voting Shauna. She claimed vanilla town and no one has counter-claimed her role. This could also be a strategy by one of the people voting for her who is in fact the real vanilla town (Fynn or FFNut). I'm not sure what to make of it.

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Didn't Shauna claim Doctor/Protector just now? Or have I made a gigantic mis-reading of her 'Throwing the Doctor under the bus'?

We have thrown our doctor under the bus by outing Freya.

She was referring to me after i Cheers-ed her

They're not confirmed females, they're claimed females. If this is your last post on this Earth at least make it technically correct :P

Well, sheesh you could've made that more obvious!

##VOTE: Shauna

There, all is restored.

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There are only three confirmed females. Scruff myself, and AK. In this knowing AK's power leaves Scruff as the killer.

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That's not true. We don't know if the mafia has 2 lackeys or a murderer and a supplementary role. If you turn out to be town then that leaves AK as the supplementary role.

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They're not confirmed females, they're claimed females. If this is your last post on this Earth at least make it technically correct :P

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We are between worlds, thank you. Not on earth.

Anyway, sorry for giving everyone a heart attack. I interpreted Shauna's 'bus' post wrongly.

Dammit Formy!

FFNut is right though, even if he is town, killing him narrows the search in a much more meaningful way than killing Shauna does! At least then we're left only with two suspected women.

..."Suspected women" is not something I ever expected to say

##Vote: Aerith's Knight

This is a throwaway vote, basically. I don't believe Nut or Shauna is mafia.

me rn in this game

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Go town! Throwing your doctor under the bus was a great idea! 10/10 play

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In my defence, reading this in isolation genuinely made me think she was making a snarky exiting lynch post. I didn't think to consider she was saying it in response to someone!

What is the vote tally, 4 on me again?

Yeah, not sure if 2 or 3 on FFNut because of Freya's unvote thing. It's kinda ambiguous whether it's serious and counts.

Freya, if you don't wanna kill anyone vote No Death!

2 minutes to go. Thanks for the game, champs. Fair play to you mafia folk, for somehow making literally nothing into at least two votes for me.

Town, shape up. ;)

After considering the information gathered, the eight survivors first moved to organize and analyze their information. Many suspicions were raised, but at the end of the day one went above all others. When the man in pitch-black clothing realized it was too late to convince the others of his trustworthiness, he decided to end it himself and slit his own throat as everyone else started screaming in terror.

The realization of having killed one of their own came over everyone, and for the first time the atmosphere was truly desperate.

Shauna is dead, she was Shadow, Cosmos-aligned Tormented Wanderer.

Nighttime Phase 2

Players with an ability, you have 24 hours to send me a Mognet Message with your Night Action.

Sleep well...

And honestly, Fox makes a good point about lynching a claimed female as opposed to a claimed male. It is better to lynch a female because a female did it (and do not quote that out of context). But I've flipped and flopped so damn much today I think everyone's heart would give out.

I will say though: FFNut is very very high on my list. I think the only thing saving him in my eyes is the fact that I know FFNut is new, and I can't decide whether the myriad contradictions and mistakes is suspicious or just newbie mistakes. I mean, heck, I was there. I know what it's like to be new in a notoriously difficult game. I still feel new now, to be honest.

Ugh, I'm always two steps behind everyone else's thinking. I'm so dumb!

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And honestly, Fox makes a good point about lynching a claimed female as opposed to a claimed male. It is better to lynch a female because a female did it (and do not quote that out of context). But I've flipped and flopped so damn much today I think everyone's heart would give out.

I will say though: FFNut is very very high on my list. I think the only thing saving him in my eyes is the fact that I know FFNut is new, and I can't decide whether the myriad contradictions and mistakes is suspicious or just newbie mistakes. I mean, heck, I was there. I know what it's like to be new in a notoriously difficult game. I still feel new now, to be honest.

Ugh, I'm always two steps behind everyone else's thinking. I'm so dumb!

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TFW your epiphany comes 1 minute too late and your innocent friend's blood is all over your shoes

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I wish people would give me epiphanies a tad sooner...

Coincidentally, if no-one corrected me over my misreading, this wouldn't have happened. So thanks, FACTS.

I'd like to point out that I am equally as new as FFNut and I haven't had the urge to go around accusing anyone who happens to be in front of me. I think he's playing the "I'm a newbie! Aren't I silly tee-hee" card way too strong.

I suspect either Freya or I will die tonight.

...I am reluctant to go to sleep knowing this.

......I'm never getting this blood out of my %*(£& shoes

SHHH guys you can't post, it's night time.

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What can I say? I can't sleep and my feet are soggy

This is just the worst game to play if you're too trusting. Newbies can either get up to speed quickly, or begin to struggle. And uuuuuuuuuugh I feel the worst right now.

Peh, playing as Mafia in previous games is much less stressful. Why did you guys have to correct me! Funnily enough when I made that last 'if I flip flop any more piece' I was on a thin edge between actually changing my vote AGAIN. Wow, i really should have done that.

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What can I say? I can't sleep and my feet are soggy

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Hmm that's kinda defeating the purpose of hte day and night phase. Maybe it's normal as in not game normal.

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What can I say? I can't sleep and my feet are soggy

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Hmm that's kinda defeating the purpose of hte day and night phase. Maybe it's normal as in not game normal.

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In my experience it usually doesn't matter much anyways since most people'd rather wait until daybreak to continue discussing. But sometimes it comes in handy.

Last night was just restricted to general 'ooooh it's night'.

I mean, I'm posting, but only to just self-flagellate myself. No actual theorycrafting is going on at night. None I've noticed. So posting is fine. Just not deductive posting.

Yeah, I don't want to make progress at night because I have no power at night. If I solve the case during the night phase the mafia can just be like "Oh well, better off this one before the others wake up".

Well that was dramatic. Why did everything have to happen right after I went to bed?

I need to process what just happened...

After witnessing such a gruesome suicide, everyone felt sick. So instead of sticking around and dining together, they decided they all needed some time alone to process what just happened. So they went their separate ways.

A few hours later, an older man decided to pay a black-haired young girl a visit. On the way he noticed a figure in blonde keeping an eye on the room from afar. When the older man asked what they were up to, it turned out to be a girl in men's clothing who recognized the older man. Thinking the girl wanted to make new friends but was too shy to approach the door, the man knocked on the door and motioned to the girl to come as well. The door opened and they were greeted by the black-haired girl who gave a bright smile as she recognized the man as an old friend of hers. Reluctantly the girl in men's clothing entered as well, thinking it wouldn't compromise her purpose in coming here. They ended up talking until late into the night.

On a different floor, the man in white armor decided to pay a certain colorfully clothed man a visit. When he knocked on the door, he was only met with an annoyed grunt; it seemed the man inside was already sick and tired of all these people coming to visit him all the damn time. Deeming it unwise to test the man's patience, the man in white armor decided to just leave after casting a protective spell on the room the other man was staying in.

After that, he went back towards his own room. But just as he approached the stairs, his legs suddenly gave out and he felt paralyzed all over. Realizing he was about to be attacked, he tried to invoke a healing spell, but it was already too late; his opponent would not give him a chance to recover and fight back. And then it was all over.

Freya is dead, she was Cecil, Cosmos-aligned Redeemed Knight.

Daylight Phase 3

Good morning, everyone.

You have 48 hours to decide on a player to lynch (or decide on not lynching anyone at all).

There are 6 players remaining, so the majority lockdown is at 4 votes. If any player or No Death receives 4 votes, the vote is instantly locked down and Daylight Phase ends prematurely. If there is no majority lockdown, at the end of the day the person with the most votes is eliminated. If there are multiple players with the most votes I get to flip a coin or roll a die.

Farewell, precious Freya... thank you for trying to protect us. I mean, not sure the colourful man was the best choice to keep safe considering what he did to Shauna but the effort is appreciated nonetheless. If your ghost is watching this then I apologise for when I inevitably fail to avenge you.

On the plus side, good information here:

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A few hours later, an older man decided to pay a black-haired young girl a visit.

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Me (Cid) visiting Scruffington (Garnet).

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On the way he noticed a figure in blonde keeping an eye on the room from afar. When the older man asked what they were up to, it turned out to be a girl in men's clothing who recognized the older man.

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So that'll be Faris.

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Thinking the girl wanted to make new friends but was too shy to approach the door, the man knocked on the door and motioned to the girl to come as well. The door opened and they were greeted by the black-haired girl who gave a bright smile as she recognized the man as an old friend of hers. Reluctantly the girl in men's clothing entered as well, thinking it wouldn't compromise her purpose in coming here. They ended up talking until late into the night.

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So Garnet and Faris are both accounted for in Garnet's room. On another floor, Freya is murdered.

Number of murders known to be committed by female characters: 1
Number of female characters unaccounted for at the time of this murder: 1

FOR THE LOVE OF FREYA CAN WE PLEASE KILL FFNUT?

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Originally Posted by Fox

Farewell, precious Freya... thank you for trying to protect us. I mean, not sure the colourful man was the best choice to keep safe considering what he did to Shauna but the effort is appreciated nonetheless. If your ghost is watching this then I apologise for when I inevitably fail to avenge you.

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Oh for... I was not the only one who voted for Shauna! You'd think I plunged the knife in myself.

Having said that: ##VOTE: FFNut

Very happy to vote for him. Newbie or not, that can no longer be an excuse, and I'm embarrassed I allowed it to be a factor for so long. Claimed female, suspicious activity all over the shop. There's just too much there to overlook unfamiliarity with the game any longer. I know I'm voting earlier, but I've kinda got something to make up for single-handedly ruining Town's chances.

I'm sorry, Freya.
I feel somewhat responsible seeing as I used process of elimination to narrow down as to who would be which role, which in turn exposed you.

Also since Fox checked me and is calling for a lynch on FFNut, I believe that pretty much clears me.

On the bright side today should be a pretty straightforward lynch. We can lynch FFNut (the female killer) and then focus on the other mafia.

##Vote: FFNut

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Originally Posted by Scruffington

I'm sorry, Freya.
I feel somewhat responsible seeing as I used process of elimination to narrow down as to who would be which role, which in turn exposed you.

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One thing I'm learning in my third game of Mafia is that action is not inherently superior to inaction. Your logs are very informative, but it did result in us losing our doctor. Still, I made massive blunders, so eh, who's counting?

You're not out of the woods though. You were checked... but for what? From deductions, we know that Fox is an investigative role, but he might not be a detective. True: Fox isn't jumping up and down screaming Mafia scum. But never say never. I mean, it doesn't rule out the possibility that Fox is suspicious of both you and Nutty, but is just deciding to go for him this time.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

Oh for... I was not the only one who voted for Shauna! You'd think I plunged the knife in myself.

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Yes but you were one of the only towns to do so I think xD

I'm about 95% confident here that Lenna is the female murderer, so...

##Vote: FFNut

I'm about 60% confident Faris is the other Mafia... but I'd like a bit more to go on to be sure.

FFNut - 3/4 (Formalhaut, Scruffington, Fox)

(Aerith's Knight, FFNut, and Fynn are yet to vote)

One more vote will see FFNut lynched. As much as he is suspicious, I would like us to hold the vote open so we can let other people talk. I will state now that anyone who decides to place a vote now and end the day will seem suspicious in my eyes.

Let other people talk through what happened. After that, vote how you see appropriate. But it is VERY early on in the day, and I'd like people to talk first.

I didn't learn anything of incredible use from investigating Scruffington, other than he seems to be at least somewhat honest

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Originally Posted by Formy the combat butler

One thing I'm learning in my third game of Mafia is that action is not inherently superior to inaction. Your logs are very informative, but it did result in us losing our doctor. Still, I made massive blunders, so eh, who's counting?

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I'd go so far to say as inaction is actually beneficial, especially early game when it's saturated with players. It's hard to be suspicious when people forget you are there.

Don't think I didn't see that edit there >_>

Reminder to double-post instead of editing, please.

##Vote: No Death

I'm gonna temporarily withdraw my vote in case people come in and vote FFN without reading and accidentally end the day super early. I'll reinstate it in the morning.

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Originally Posted by Karifean

Don't think I didn't see that edit there >_>

Reminder to double-post instead of editing, please.

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Sorry! I noticed Fox posted in ahead of me, so I did make an edit to the current vote tally to add Fox's vote in.

Ok I think seems all are against me. Just to let you know if you re-read the night activities I had no night moves. So once again, you are lynching a Cosmos team member.

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Originally Posted by FFNut

Ok I think seems all are against me. Just to let you know if you re-read the night activities I had no night moves. So once again, you are lynching a Cosmos team member.

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Are you claiming Vanilla town?

That's a scum slip to me. Shauna was the vanilla town.

Do remember that it is always possible for there to be more than one Vanilla Town. By my estimation, I'd be surprised if there was three Vanilla Town players; there's probably two.

Certainly not enough for everyone and their grandmother to claim Vanilla Town and not make it seem suspicious.

I am Vanilla town. It will show everyone if you guys decide to lynch me that I had no night moves, by what you guys have deciphered. Also it will show I am Cosmos. That leaves you or Aries Knight as the killer Scruff. Before I get an early Lynch I will go

##Vote: Areis Knight

I can't decide if you are the killer Scruff, but I think AK may be Mafia. Just a gut feeling that it's either you or him as Mafia and my feeling is stronger towards him.

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Originally Posted by Fox

On the plus side, good information here:

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A few hours later, an older man decided to pay a black-haired young girl a visit.

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Me (Cid) visiting Scruffington (Garnet).

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On the way he noticed a figure in blonde keeping an eye on the room from afar. When the older man asked what they were up to, it turned out to be a girl in men's clothing who recognized the older man.

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So that'll be Faris.

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Thinking the girl wanted to make new friends but was too shy to approach the door, the man knocked on the door and motioned to the girl to come as well. The door opened and they were greeted by the black-haired girl who gave a bright smile as she recognized the man as an old friend of hers. Reluctantly the girl in men's clothing entered as well, thinking it wouldn't compromise her purpose in coming here. They ended up talking until late into the night.

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So Garnet and Faris are both accounted for in Garnet's room. On another floor, Freya is murdered.

Number of murders known to be committed by female characters: 1
Number of female characters unaccounted for at the time of this murder: 1

FOR THE LOVE OF FREYA CAN WE PLEASE KILL FFNUT?

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using that same logic I was with Freya on the first night as she used her spell of protection on me. That means I was accounted for on night one as well. Could it be that both Choas were together while killing Freya? Just a thought.

Also so like I have been saying I am unaccounted for as no one checked on me and I have no night moves. It will show when you guys Lynch me.

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Originally Posted by FFNut

Ok I think seems all are against me. Just to let you know if you re-read the night activities I had no night moves. So once again, you are lynching a Cosmos team member.

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Just because you were mentioned as guarded doesn't mean you couldn't kill. The description doesn't mention names, nor does it ever say "X character did nothing". Nothing in the description indicates that you couldn't have done it.

Since we've established that the killer is a girl and the other girl watched didn't do anything that night, the answer is clear as day.

##Vote: FFNut

That means:

FFNut - 3/4 (Formalhaut, Scruffington, Fynn)
Aerith's Knight - 1/4 (FFNut)
No Death (1/4) (Fox)

I honestly don't think it could be anyone else at this point. I feel kind of stupid that I fell for his line of thinking last round, tbh.

Hm, interesting that FFNut voted for AK.

I'm convinced FFNut is Mafia... I wonder if the AK vote is to try and throw suspicion away from someone else like Scruffington, or a double cross to try and make us think he's not on the side of AK? I think probably the latter.

##VOTE: FFNut

Just so we have more time to talk. It'll get reinstated in the evening. I don't know what to think of AK. As a Town, he's suspicious. If he's Mafia, he's making himself suspicious without much reason. I'm baffled by the guy.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Hm, interesting that FFNut voted for AK.

I'm convinced FFNut is Mafia... I wonder if the AK vote is to try and throw suspicion away from someone else like Scruffington, or a double cross to try and make us think he's not on the side of AK? I think probably the latter.

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Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking. After all, even before the night events were described to us, everyone was already convinced it was FFNut if it wasn't Shauna. That's enough time to formulate a backup plan. This, combined with his stubborn insistence on being town, flip-flop votes, and actually proposing the idea that Shauna could do it, is pretty damning in my eyes.

Also, notice how nobody watched or investigated FFNut tonight. while the other girl was watched by both. Since we know that one of the girls is the killer, then... yeah

As for AK, he's still incredibly hard to read for me since he's so chaotic and posts the least out of all of us. Might go either way, if you ask me, but his flippancy is again suspicious.

(don't even get me started on Formy's last-minute vote change to make it seem like he had good intentions just before Shauna got lynched, but at this point I think he's less suspicious than the other two)

Yeah, I won't deny that made me look very suspicious. I will say though that if I was a Mafia, that's probably the worst thing I could've done. Once you're on a vote that is town, why rattle the cage and draw attention to yourself? It wasn't as if I even needed to make myself look good, as I was not voted on Day Two, or even came up heavily in discussion. As a gambit, it's a very risky one, one that I certainly wouldn't need or want to take if I were Mafia.

In my (limited) experience, last minute vote changes trend an indecisive Townie, which I think is written across the majority of posts to be honest. Then again, this is me defending my own conduct, so take whatever salt you want with this.

Let's not forget it was you who also voted for Shauna, before I did. As it happens, you're not terribly far up my suspicion list, but still.

Yes, I did, and I won't deny that my conviction that it was her was a large part of why she got lynched in the end. Since this is my first time playing mafia on this forum, I had no idea how Shauna acts in these situations, and I knew Nutty was a newbie whom I frankly didn't consider a very savvy player. To me it really looked like Shauna was trying to use the opportunity that there was one unrevealed character in the description and that Nutty was behaving so blatantly suspicious, but in a way that could be attributed to inexperience.

As it turns out, I was wrong, and it looks like Nutty had much more cunning from the start than I gave him credit for. Following her advice, I suspect everyone, especially since we no longer have a protector who was the only person confirmed to be Cosmos-aligned before her death. That's why from all the scenarios in my head, there are some in which you are the other Chaos follower, Formy, but I could say the same for Aerith's Knight or Fox.

But even if that is the case, I think we can safely bet on who the killing mafia is. This was a pretty simple elimination, really - if Shauna wasn't the killer, it could only be one of the two girls. One was closely watched by both of the investigators, while the other was left to her devices and another townie died.

If you guys are convinced go ahead and vote me. I will say this before I go that I had fun with each of you playing the game. I would make a few changes next time I play. I will be the 3rd straight Cosmos to go. Have fun guys, and get those darn Chaos guys!

I too had my doubts about Shauna at the end of day 2 phase as being Mafia. I felt like I couldn't change my vote at that time though as I had changed it once already. I think Areies Knight is Mafia, not sure about the other. It in my mind is either Fox or Scruffy.

If Fox was Mafia him checking and giving himself an place of nope not me with other people then saying that Scruffy is innocent would tip the scales to vote me who people are suspicious of already.

I thought after day 2 a quick vote made you suspicious?

All in in all I know what mistakes I made this game. Finger pointed at me from the start which from the start over and over again put into your head myself as Chaos. I have not had to try and justify myself from the biggining.

i will point out again I had no night moves both times. For people with night moves no one who thought I was 95% suspicious checked on me? Seems a little far fetched as wishing for a way to keep the Mafia alive.

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Originally Posted by Fynn

Yes, I did, and I won't deny that my conviction that it was her was a large part of why she got lynched in the end. Since this is my first time playing mafia on this forum, I had no idea how Shauna acts in these situations, and I knew Nutty was a newbie whom I frankly didn't consider a very savvy player. To me it really looked like Shauna was trying to use the opportunity that there was one unrevealed character in the description and that Nutty was behaving so blatantly suspicious, but in a way that could be attributed to inexperience.

As it turns out, I was wrong, and it looks like Nutty had much more cunning from the start than I gave him credit for. Following her advice, I suspect everyone, especially since we no longer have a protector who was the only person confirmed to be Cosmos-aligned before her death. That's why from all the scenarios in my head, there are some in which you are the other Chaos follower, Formy, but I could say the same for Aerith's Knight or Fox.

But even if that is the case, I think we can safely bet on who the killing mafia is. This was a pretty simple elimination, really - if Shauna wasn't the killer, it could only be one of the two girls. One was closely watched by both of the investigators, while the other was left to her devices and another townie died.

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You don't have to be so defensive. I know you're new. And honestly, Shauna aside (which many of us are guilty of) you've contributed much to the discussion, more so than me. You don't have to prove anything to me. :)

And it's fair enough suspecting me in some scenarios.

A FFNut lynch is almost assured. If we assume that he is Mafia, then discussion must turn to the other Mafia. How I see it, Aerith's Knight is trending suspicious. We haven't really seen much of him; it's be interesting to see how he reacts under pressure when talk (and the vote) turns his way.

I'm just frustrated that I fell for it >< Also, I'm only pointing out that I'm new to justify why I didn't know how Shauna plays. Aside form this forum, I am not at all new to mafia.

Quick voting is usually suspicious, but it all falls down to context. The context being: consensus is you're very suspicious, we didn't kill you the day before, our friend died because of it, and you were the main talking point throughout much of Day Two. Day Three is basically a continuation of that previous discussion.

I will ask that you hold out my Lynching until we are closer to the night phase as I too wish to help you guys as long as I can find the 2 Mafia. And yes AK is acting very suspicious and it was my tatic that backfired on day two to put someone on their heels for information.

I didn't change my vote with the wind. I only re voted for Shauna after pressured non stop bye her to change my vote. I was going to wait a while longer before changing it and it probably wouldn't have been for Shauna if I had. It would have been to AK.