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Thanks for the update.
Sounds good so far. I would love the full script but I understand where you are coming from about not posting it. I was curious if you were going to use the Moogle and his two henchmen though...
As for Chocobo mounts. I would love to see them. The story is more epic so it would be cool to watch Marche leading his troops into battle with a Chocobo.:)
I would actually really like to use the Moogle and his henchmen. It's a neato idea. Since it is the prelude, it doesn't have to fit in much at all with the main plot, so work the idea up some more. Give me the personalities of our pom-pom sporting villain and his henchmen, and the storyline that he'll be in. If it's enough fun, I'll turn them into recurring characters in sidequests. Just a little too busy to do it myself at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Airships are going to be a much bigger part of this game. I had my map of the continent drawn out, but the placement of the countries did make conflicts between Goltana and Ivalice a little difficult, as the two countries did not share a huge border. Airships solve this problem, allowing troops to be dropped anywhere in Ivalice. Luckily, you will be able to get Nono to make you an airship of your own so that you can go on the offensive against the vile invaders.
Well, I'm willing to put the Chocobos in, but I'll have to shift around the Capture ability and the Monster Bank. It will mean being able to capture more than 1 monster of each type, so that you can collect Chocobo mounts for everyone. However, if we are going to be able to capture more than one, I could give you the option of sending 1 to the Monster Bank for your Morphers, and saving the rest as mounts/teammates, the way they were in FFT.
I'll get to work on that for you.;)
you could have a stable system? like animals caught are sent to a stable where you could rent out stalls, and you may rent out special stall where monster spirits are collected for morphers? sorry i haven't been posting my comp has been awal >.<
Well, I think I'll stick with the Monster Bank for the Morpher's monsters. But I'll consider the best way to handle monsters for mounts and other such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajzin
Of course, a chocobo class will have to be introduced, since there wasn't one in the original (in fact, the only chocobos that appeared onscreen were ridden by Judges).
Piette, a moogle trying his best to become "THE GREATEST BANDIT IN THE WORLD" He has a major inferiority(sp?) complex cause he tries to be bad person but he's actually a pretty damn cute moogle (I imagine Doned always hugging him everytime he see's him.) Even the usually cold and calcualting Viera can't resist his cuteness...
Piette is a Monster Tamer (He controls monsters but his class would be more like theif with animist sub class) In his childhood, he was always overshadowed by his "perfect" brother. His brother became a great engineer but Piette had no similiar talents. No matter how hard he tried, his brother would always surpass him. Finally, he turned to the "dark side" of society and got into a whole mess of trouble. Eventually he was captured and escaped a serious punishment thanks to his brother speaking on his behalf. Piette was humiliated and left his home to become a bandit. He felt being a criminal was his forte and set off to become a feared bandit of great renown, so even his own brother would have to bow down and acknowledge his greatness.
Piette is a capable bandirt cause he befriends local monsters and uses them as his henchmen. His two most valuable companions are a Bomb (Biggs) and a Goblin (Wedge). Both of them do their best to make sure that Piette doesn't get into too serious of trouble. For them, this is harmless fun. Piette, unfortunately isn't too bright about his plans. He tends to build overly elaborate plans and always seems to create greater goals than he is capable of, but this would explain why his minions stay with him. They admire his tenacity and ambition. Piette is hardly as evil as he thinks he is and tends to do more good than evil (think of him as a cross between Laharl from Disgaea and The Monarch from Venture Bros.)
His first hair brain scheme when he first comes to Ivalice is to pretend to be an invading army in hopes of frightening the locals into submission. He does not realize that a real war is about to start nor does he realize that the people of Ivalice are comprised of the battle loving Clans...
Hope this helps.
Biggs, Wedge, and Piette... That sounds familiar... Got it! Vicks, Wedge, and Piette: The three look alikes from the "horror" show in Chrono Trigger!
Hee. Fun characters. This will definitely work, and these guys will be recurring villains. I don't think they should ever join you, but you won't actually defeat them either. They'll just pop up from time to time to help (or hinder) you.
Happy to see you caught the reference;)
I agree, they should be minor comic relief that you run into time and again, but never join.
Ahhhh... Yeah for Chocobo goodness.
Making a riding class could be complicating but the main point is speed but hindrance on attack.
I would not go to large scale 10v. 10 tops
8-10 is about what I was thinking for the player's max forces. Of course, that would only be for certain missions, not all of them. But why limit the enemies to that number? Clans are certainly abundant in Ivalice, but they are still outnumbered by an opposing army. There will likely be several engagements where the enemy has more forces than you will ever be able to bring into a single engagement. I have also considered having some missions where the enemy will be able to send a messenger to call for reinforcements, though I am not sure I will use that one.
The seams will make a reappearance in the game. The crystals were built into the seams. While the crystals may be no more, the seams still exist. After the first few battles, Marche will notice a seam, the first one he has seen since the original game. In the first game, he always related the presence of a seam to the presence of a crystal, but, with all the crystals destroyed, he knows that there must be some deeper meaning behind the distortions. We'll learn a little more about them from Babus, and continue to learn more as the game progresses.
Sorry for the lack of updates, but you would not believe how hectic my life has been lately. More is still to come.
Sorry if this has been said already, but isn't there going to be and FFTA2 anyway? I thought it was going to come out on the DS or something about the same time as Revenant Wings and the remake of FFTactics?
True, but I had the idea first. They stole it from me.
Ok, fair enough. Back to your discussion then.:DQuote:
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Anymore progress Skyblade? Or does Burning Crusade own your soul at this point?;)
Yeah, i've been wanting to ask the same thing (about the progress, not WoW). Is this going to go anywhere or not?
I had an idea about the crystals. In most FF games there are Elemental Crystals, and 4, not 5, of them. Well prehaps you could have elemental Crystals again (No. 5 would be somthing like Dark). That way, it makes more sense as to why these crystals hold the world together, because the crystals hold the elememts that make up the world.
Anyway, it may be a good idea to wait for more info on FFTA2 to see what new story elements that will bring.
Here is an original idea. How about 115-odd crystals representing the real elememts? Just a thought. Or maybe the 90 or so natural ones.
It's not dead, just slow. BC released me, but I was snapped up by FFXII, which then screwed me over by ruining at least 30 hours of game time because I made a mistake and messed up a minigame.
But I'm still working on this project. The plot is going a little slow, and will continue that way until I develop a main villain I like.
The subplots are coming a little better. The Redwings will have a chain of quests all to themselves (you don't think the death of Gukko and Grissom stopped them, do you?), and will make an appearance during one of the main quest missions.
I've been developing our little moogle friend a little as well. He's only going to have a couple of missions oriented around the bandits themselves, however. You will mostly see him popping in and causing trouble during certain of the missions you accept from the pubs.
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Ooo, now i like that idea! Do that Skyblade, i order you! Lol, it is an origanal idea though.
Oohh, i just looked up on Wikipeadia 'Elements' (i wanted to check how many there actually were, 117 as of 2007, in case you wanted to know), and found somthing interesting. Apartently each element (fire, water, earth, air) has a shape associated with it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element, look at History). Mabye they could be the shape of the Crystals. Also, Aristotle belived there to be a fith element, Aether or Quintessence, the heavenly element, which fits quite nicely into the 5 crystal thing. Just a thought, i doubt you'll use it, but it fits
Well, you really do learn somthing knew everyday.
The fifth element obviously has to be suprise.
Actually, I can think of any number of ways to have more crystals. We could have the return of the elemental crystals, we could have some crystals that exist in the world of Ivalice, but outside the domain of Ivalice the country. We could also bring back the principle of the crystal fragments that were used in FFV, and have those fragments still contain some of their power from when they were whole, and they are how you are able to use judges outside the domain of Ivalice itself: You are carrying a fragment of a crystal with you.
"...A child used a book to create our entire world. Everything I have ever known, created by the whim of a child who could not even understand the words he read. A book has such power in a realm without magic. In this realm, a realm it created, its power would be infinite. It created our people, our kingdoms, the systems that bind us to these foolish rulers, and...it created the relegions we follow. In this realm, it can create a god..."
~The Mage-General of Goltana~
Forgive the double post, but I have my villain. No name yet, still brooding over that, but I have his motivations and his personality.
Give Him A Spanish Name :) Also Maybe The Quote Should End With "In this realm, it's wielder is god." Rather Than "In this realm, it can create a god..." I Dunno, I Think It's Better But 'Tis You're Choice.
I Like The Way This Is Starting To Turn Out Though, Keep Up the Good Work!
It would not be as precise. Having the book itself would not be enough. One must both possess it and know its power and how to use it. Until the end of the original FFTA, Mewt new next to nothing of the Grimoire's power, or how to use it, since, if he had, Marche and company would not have been able to do anything to Mewt. Part of his inability to fully wield the book I believe tied into his feelings about his mother. He was, after all, a pretty messed up kid, emotionally, full of confusion and desparation from his conflicting desires and morals. Until his emotional problems were solved, until Mewt began to grow up, he could not conciously wield the power at his disposal, he was too busy hiding.
A black mage, on the other hand, would have far greater understanding of the rules of magic and how to wield a magical tome such as the grimoire. He would be able to fully access its power. Mewt gave it a subconcious template to create a world: Someone who knew its power could do so much more...
How about Zuverlässiger Häretiker for a name? It's German for "Faithful Heretic" and for some reason when I read the quote the term came to me.
i haven't read this thread in a very long time, but i absolutely enjoy Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. and i don't know if this idea has been suggested but i'd like to see some equipment that could raise HP/MP (like HP/MP Plus). it might sound mediocre though.
We have weapons that increase every other stat, why not HP/MP as well?
Anyway, still no name, but I've moved on from that for now, I can always name him later. His position in the Goltana military is approximately equal to Maria Luvien (a wonderful name, BTW, Wolfe). They are directly under the supreme commander of the Goltana military, who is in turn directly responsible to the king. This was a carefully chosen position, and I'll explain that choice now. He is the highest ranking mage in the Goltana forces, and in a prime position to manipulate the military and political aspects of Goltana, but not high enough that he will be a primary focus of your forces. His role in the assault on Ivalice will not be discovered for quite some time (except for those of you who are being spoiled right now). While you are of fighting the war, he will be finding how to obtain the Gran Grimoire. Hopefully you will discover the truth behind the war before the tome falls into the hands of the dark mage...
Just doing a check up on where you are Skyblade. I like the villain you came up with and feel this will be rather intriguing. I wonder how your villain will deal with mine within the game.;)
I Got A Suggestion, I'd Really Like To See The Ability To Equip 2 Support Abilities. But Other Than That I'd Also Like To Know Where You're Up To With This, Skyblade.
p.s. I Quite Like The Villian You Thought Up.
Sorry, this had gone so long without a response (and I somehow missed Kanno's), I thought interest had died off. I'm about to head off to bed, but I will be sure to update this later in the day. I haven't given up on the project.
Fair Enough, And Just Cause There's No Posts In A While It Dun Mean There's No Interest. It's Good That You Haven't Given Up On the Project. I Would've Posted This Sooner But The Forum Was Down >_>
No, I'm still very interested as I'm sure many are as well. I would love to see a few minor updates from time to time. To be honest, I'm more excited for your sequel than the official one.
BTW how is the music going to work for this game? I'm not sure it was addressed earlier or not and I am currently too lazy to check I'm afraid :p
I knew I forgot something. I haven't even thought about music. I'll just kidnap some of my favorite composers and get them to make me some.
The plot has been running away with me a bit. I'm having a hard time keeping it to plan. With the introduction of my new enemy, I've extended my plans for the story to well past the death of the emperor, which was my original estimated end for the plot. As it is, the Goltanan emperor will die about halfway through the main plot, but shortly after that our clever little mage will acquire the Gran Grimoire, and then things will really get going.
The Free Area missions will likely return. Rather than protecting areas from upset clans, however, you must protect them from random attacks by the Goltana military. --Edit-- Forgot to mention: I'm having a little trouble trying to work the Free Area missions into the larger map. Since the map extends beyond just Ivalice, I'm wondering how to best work in the other countries. Any advice would be appreciated.
Wanted missions will also return, although I am thinking about changing the way they work slightly. Rather than having seperate engagements for the criminals, I was thinking of adding them to other engagements and quests in the area. Defeating the wanted opponent will usually be optional, so you can complete the engagements without fighting them, but if you have the corresponding wanted quest, you will be able to take them on for an additional challenge and some nice rewards. Of course, should you fail to grab them, they'll live to fight another day, so if you miss a bounty boss, don't despair. You'll likely see them again.
The wanted missions sound fun (reminds me how the clan hunts were treated in XII) as for the Free Area missions in other lands. You can either do it as a "spies have told us of a large military build up in the region close to our borders. Investigate and hinder the enemy advances!... or troops stationed in the area need backup!"
If you go with the second idea, I think it would be interesting to give you extra penalties for losing men in the mission (by that I mean having dead or knocked out characters once the battle is over.) Either it lowers your Clan rank or you lose the characters in question and must attempt a "rescue mission" to retrieve them. Just a thought...
In fact... if you are feeling really ambtious. A POW system could be interesting. Let it work like the prison system but you need to either give up your own prisoners (that might be too complicated though...) or even conquered territories or perhaps even trade in other characters to take their place... (You can't have my Red Mage! How about I give you my second Ninja instead? ) then the character stays in the enemy POW camp until the military treat dictates them must be released (basically the same conditions you got for being in prison in FFTA). What do you think?
Thank you, Wolf, that was exactly the sort of thinking I needed to hear. I think I know exactly how to run those now, and how to work the rewards, and it is helping me with the overall story arc too.
In the original area free missions, you got discounts and new items depending on the number of free areas you had and the towns you freed. I was having trouble working enemy territories into that idea, since they are highly unlikely to want to give discounted prices to the enemy. :D However, if we run the area free missions as combat support missions for other attacking units, we can have an excuse to free areas that will never actually come under our control.
Due to Ivalice's lack of a true military force, the clans are the primary attackers in this war. This leads the Clan Center into becoming the primary HQ of the war effort in Ivalice. As you complete free area missions, the Clan Center will reward your efforts by reducing the price of shop items in Ivalice. However, the new shop items will be gotten in a slightly different way.
As everyone who has played FFTA knows, each Clan has its own home town (the Cyril Band is based in Cyril, etc...). Each of these Clans lost most of their influence when Clan Ultima freed their homes during the Clan Wars. Now these clans all pitch in to help the war effort, and they wind up needing help at certain times. And, as you help out a particular clan more and more, they will reward you with offering their items for sale in their hometown.
Glad I could be of help.
I like what you are doing with the Clans as well. Do you get anything special for sticking with one clan more than others? Like special missions, clan exclusive items or equipment, or even altered story scenes?
By this I mean, say you help the Cyril clan exclusively, aside from the equipment and price drops from their personal shops could they eventually reward you with a special item at some point by the end of the game? Like a rare weapon or item that gets you access to a special side quest. Or does the system you set up prevent you from exclusively using one clan?
Hmm... The way I was originally planning things, that wouldn't work. The free area missions would each have a particular clan for each area. That means that once you have freed every area, you will have helped every clan equally, and have acquired all of their rewards. While your idea sounds nice, I don't think it would execute well (at least for the free area missions), because I would have to offer multiple versions of each free area mission (one per clan), and that would just get too complicated. However, the idea is somewhat appealing, so if you can think of an easier way to implement it, I'll do it.
I've been thinking of a way to implement it. You may have to design them as a seperate quest entirely. I was thinking that despite the war going on, I could not imagine the overly competitive Clans from not trying to "one up" each other during the conflict.
Basically the clans offer up a mercenary contracts to help them finish off fairly dangerous or impossible missions. These missions could have very difficult requirements (No K.O.'s in your party, finish enemy with a specific type of attack, only use moogles, only use Dragoon classes, solo Marche missions ect...ect...) The missions are presented by a "contact" who only randomly appears cause the Clans don't wish for the others to know they need help. Missions could be about recapturing escaped prisoners, taking out powerful monsters used by enemy forces, or even secret rescue missions. You get very little for completing these missions until a certain point in the game when the Clan you've helped the most "rewards" you under the table with a special item (Spear of Cyril and whatnot...)
It could be used as a means for more hardcore players to get into and I feel it should be limited so it doesn't distract from the main game. Say you write out 3 scenarios for each clan, they are all avalible from the first time you meet the contact but the game should be programmed to have the contact only appear within the normal storyline about 4 or 5 times. So only if you stay consistent would you qualify for the right item. You could also make it a little more lenient if you wish.
I also had another idea for a side quest in the game but I'll probably PM it to you instead as I wish to keep it a surprise. But I want to hear your thoughts on this first.
Wow... I remember checking this thread a long time ago and there's certainly a large amount of great ideas floating around here. Sorry about the whole TA2 thing, Skyblade. But you definately have my support and I'd be very interested to see the Final Document. I'd only wish that you guys could actually make this rather than leaving it up to square (although they're infamous for their cease and desist orders).
Props on a Black Mage general, he sounds like a really interesting character. Kanno's had some crazy ideas too, i like the whole POW idea, sounds like you could collect them and have highly prized/sought after POWs...gotta catch 'em all lol.
Anyway i don't got ideas, just support, i admire what you guys are doing, keep up the great work.
edit: actually i do have one idea. I think Famfrit should transform into a motorcycle.
The clan contracting could make for some nice sidequests, but there would have to be some story arcs to hold the quests together. (It will also drive me crazy should the game ever actually be released, since it will make gathering every item a real pain [it'd be totally impossible without trading], but, what the hey.)
Not sure I'm gonna go with the POW gathering though. I've already got the wanted system and the jail system, and I don't want to overcomplicate things.
Did you have any specific plans for the other clans? Any new additions to the clans? If so, I can write the sidequest scenario's if you want.
Nope. No plans at all. Too busy working on other things.
In that case I'll write out a few mission scenario's and see what you think. At best they can be refine, at worst the whole idea can be dropped. I alredy have an idea for Marche's own clan... :sneaky:
EDITGA:
Here's the ideas I've come up with so far. Due to this being purely side quest affair I decided it would be fun to have these missions follow the Matsuno way of referencing other FFs. I also decided that the three missions should all be connected to tell a story. This is only the basic idea's I have so far. I also have not planned out the laws to be put in place for these battles except for No Law Cards.
Sprohm Clans (Bangaa): Man of Mystery! - The Bangaa clans of Sprohm have had an enemy intruder enter their midst and he's attacking all their swordsmen! Even worse he steals the swords from his defeated victims! The Bangaa are at their wits end and with the war effort taking their toll on the clans resources they can't find the man power to find this devilish fiend and put a stop to this. Please you must help the clan search for this Mystery Swordsman, before the clan losese face!
Author's notes: The Party will face off against Enkidu in mission one and recover the Buster sword, in mission two, they face off against Gilgamesh (Blue Mage with Jump skill) which regains the Lionheart and the final mission will deal with both Gilgamesh and Enkidu in a final battle on the Sprohm Bridge. This battle earns the Excalipoor.
Buster Sword and Lionheart are both event items and cannot be equipped. The Excalipoor does only one HP of damage. Gilgamesh, when using his swords should randomly use one of the four legendary swords he owns. Excalibur (Holy Damage), Masamune (Dark or Wind Damage), Zantesuken (Instant K.O.), and Excalipoor (1hp of Damage). Enkidu I feel should have the Dragoon Breath Attacks even though he's purely a monster type.
Baguba Clans (Moogles): Sabatoge! - The engineering clans of Baguba have been having a series of accidents concerning their airship. At first it was thought to be just accidents caused by carelessness but further investigations show that sabatoge is the most likely cause. Unfortunately, the perpetrators know our security and manpower inside out so we have failed to capture them. They always seem to be one step ahead of out forces. Against out will, we decided the best course of action would be to hire an outside source to work independently from our own in hopes of catching the saboteurs off guard. We hope you will accept our offer.
Author's Notes: The missions take place on three different airships. Mission One takes place on the Highwind, Mission Two takes place on The Black Jack, and Mission Three takes place on the Enterprise. The Saboteurs are Goltana forces lead by a rogue moogle engineer named Mid. Mid is annoyed caused the other engineers always overlooked his designs and scoffed at his ideas. In retaliation, he joined forces with Goltana in orders to ruin the reputation of the Engineers of Baguba.
Muscadet Clans (Viera) - Legendary Thief Zero! - This is difficult to say but desperate times call for desperate measures. Our clands have been plagued by the appearance of a fabled thief of old. He has stolen valuable supplies and information from us before which has greatly hindered our efforts in the war. Recently, the scoundrel has stolen an important document dealing with our forces troop deployments. If the plans were to fall into enemy hands it would be disasterous for all of Ivalice. We need you to help us find this thief and put a stop to him! But even more importantly is that his incedent must be kept confidential. Good Luck!
Author's Note: Zero is actually a "she" a Viera with the Assassin Class. All the missions take place in cities and at night. The theme of the laws used in these battles should be silence. Magic will be forbidden as well as certain melee classes (Basically Ninjas, Archers, Thiefs and Assassins should be the main composition of your party. You should also have character restrictions (Two or Three) and the battles should be timed based. You basically need to defeat Zero before so many rounds end. In the end, the identity of Zero turns out to be the head of the Viera Clans of Muscadet, Agrias. She revived the legendary figure of Zero the thief and caused mayhem to test her own clans abilities. She is sadden by their lack of personal power, but is happy to understand their wisdom in seeking outside help.
Cadoan Clans (Nu Muo): Defeat the Sorceress! - We have been recently alerted to a great disturbance in the Mist. Adel, a former student of the Elder of the Nu Muo clan has recently resufaced with an army of magic golems. Adel feels betrayed by the elders and twisted her powers to becom an evil Sorceress. Now she is beginning to build an artificial army to first crush the Elders and then the rest of Ivalice. She must be stopped before she can finish creating her army!
Author's Notes: The Magic Golems should be Black Mages. Adel should be an Illusionist with Blue Magic. Babus should be a guest character for these missions and wishes for all traces of Adel and her golems to be destroyed. All the missions should take place in the Jagds In the first battle, Marche decides to let one of the injured Golems escape. Marche begins to question whether the golems should be thought of as living beings. They seemed to react quite a bit to the damage done to them and Marche argues that perhaps the Golems don't deserve destruction. In Mission Two, Marche is saved by the injured BM he spared (Vivi). This begins to further Marche's arguments with Babus about the the fate of the BMs. Babus decides to go off alone since Marche clearly doesn't understand the severity of the situation. In Mission Three, the party fights Adel who has captured Babus. Vivi, appears and helps the party out as a guest character. With Adel, vanquished, the spell that binds the BMs to this world begins to dissapate and Vivi begins to vanish. Marche tells him not to go and begs forgiveness for destroying his brethren. Vivi finally speaks and says in a low whisper to Marche "Thank You" and dispappears without a trace.
I haven't thought up a scenario for the Cyril Clans but I do have an idea for Clan Ultima. I will discuss it after a little more feedback on the other missions. I already know what I want for the prize of this mission but it's a fan boy request so I feel it depends on how generous Skyblade is feeling...
Not what I expected, but very nice nonetheless.
More in depth info later.
PS: What is the difference between Edit and Editga?
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Editga gives you more options and it's cooler to say:cool:
Yeah the original idea has changed quite bit. It was a little too ambitious when I started on it cause it would have involved a ton of scenarios to implement properly. Since alot of the missions I was thinking about were probably already in the game. I decided to shorten them and make them actually tell a story. Though my intentions were not to detract from the story, I thought if they were short enough, they would be thought of as a nice breather.
Also, since one of my favorite things about Matsuno's design and games is the references to other FFs in the sidequests, I thought it would be nice to make these side quests with references themselves. Though nothing is set in stone and I'm willing to listen to critiques and changes on them.
I also have thought up the mission for the Cyril Clans...
Cyril Clans (Humes): Copycat! - The Royals hired us as a research team to study the Ley lines of Ivalice to find a way to counter the enemies own Law Cards. When we reached what we thought was one of the Ley Lines, we encountered two mysterious figures! One was a swordsman with a dog by his side that quickly vanished but the other was a strange fellow dressed in robes and fur skins. When we approached, the figure revealed himself to be the head of the research team, but the head of the research team was staring right at him! He quickly trounced us and escaped. All of our units sent to apprehend this... thing, mention that it constantly changes it's appearance and abilities of the pursuit party. We need someone to track it down and stop this fiend!
Author's Notes: In Mission One, Gogo appears as Montblanc with all moogle job class abilities. In Mission Two, Gogo appears as Ritz with all Viera Job class abilities. Finally in Mission Three, Gogo appears as March with all Hume Job class abilities.
As for mission requirements for some of the other missions. I feel in the Gilgamesh quest, magic is forbidden, all characters must be classes with swords as their main weapons. If their is a way, I would love for "Battle on the Bridge" to be the battle theme for the final battle;)
For the Sorceress mission, I feel melee classes should be outlawed and only mages are options for party configuration. The first mission has you utilizing all mage classes but mission two restricts you to Red, White, Black, and Time mages, Mission Three should have you restricted to only using Black mages.
I'll wait to hear your thoughts and I am opened to change things if it will help.
If I interpreted that last scenario correctly, you mention Yojimbo at the beginning (swordman with his trusty dog), but he didn't show up in any of your later comments, just the mimic did.
As for the battle restrictions, they should be easy enough. Kind of like the magic tourneys and such in the original FFTA.
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He's actually a reference to Gilgamesh. I though to make it a point that Gilgamesh wasn't from Ivalice. Also in his FFXII incarnation, Enkidu was a dog beast, I figured using one of the Beast monster sprites would make implimenting him easier.
On another note, I feel the Gilgamesh missions should be somewhat comical with Gilgamesh complaining about the "Laws" of Ivalice. (Well until he learns to make use of them ;) )
If you want I can write out the references for each mission. My only real question is what do you think overall? Any major changes or input you would like to make?
I like the ideas that you made Wolf Kanno. Maybe you should put what you get after each battle like you did with the Gilgamesh mission.
So Gilgamesh shows up during both the Bangaa mission and the Human mission? I think they should be totally separate.
Your idea of recovering the Lionheart and Buster Sword as quest items is not appealing to me. Both of those are equippable items from the first FFTA, and I was planning on having them as equippable items in the second FFTA.
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I wanted to stick to the idea of getting nothing from these missions except for EXP. Only when you complete them do you finally get an item. I figured the ultimate prize should be left up to Sky though since he has a much better idea of the item list. The Gilgamesh fight was a little different though and I'll explain better below.
I meant for Gilgamesh only to be mentioned in the breifing, he never shows during the mission but if you wish that part can either be removed or turned into a reference to Yojimbo. I don't mind either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Sorry, I should have elaborated on this. I mentioned that part of my basis for Gilgamesh was the XII incarnation. In XII, Gilgamesh uses poor replicas of famous FF/DQ weapons. The Lionheart and Buster Sword are only cheap imitations not the real things. I should have elaborated more, sorry :sweatdrop: The correct way to put it would be:Quote:
Your idea of recovering the Lionheart and Buster Sword as quest items is not appealing to me. Both of those are equippable items from the first FFTA, and I was planning on having them as equippable items in the second FFTA.
Lionheart? - A strange toy replica of a sword used by a famous mercenary with a scar...
Buster Sword? - A cheap toy replica of a sword weilded by a famous soldier...
Would this work better or should I drop the weapons and idea or think of something else?
Nothing but Exp and AP, right, Wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoThanks for the support!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by f f freak
I wanted to stick to the idea of getting nothing from these missions except for EXP. Only when you complete them do you finally get an item. I figured the ultimate prize should be left up to Sky though since he has a much better idea of the item list. The Gilgamesh fight was a little different though and I'll explain better below.
I meant for Gilgamesh only to be mentioned in the breifing, he never shows during the mission but if you wish that part can either be removed or turned into a reference to Yojimbo. I don't mind either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Sorry, I should have elaborated on this. I mentioned that part of my basis for Gilgamesh was the XII incarnation. In XII, Gilgamesh uses poor replicas of famous FF/DQ weapons. The Lionheart and Buster Sword are only cheap imitations not the real things. I should have elaborated more, sorry :sweatdrop: The correct way to put it would be:Quote:
Your idea of recovering the Lionheart and Buster Sword as quest items is not appealing to me. Both of those are equippable items from the first FFTA, and I was planning on having them as equippable items in the second FFTA.
Lionheart? - A strange toy replica of a sword used by a famous mercenary with a scar...
Buster Sword? - A cheap toy replica of a sword weilded by a famous soldier...
Would this work better or should I drop the weapons and idea or think of something else?
Those item ideas work much better.
I will definitely include these missions, as they are just too much fun to leave out. However, I am going to switch their purpose from what they were originally planned for. While these missions are awesome, I just don't think they will work for the out of Ivalice free area missions. So I'm still busy trying to come up with new scenarios for that chain. Not that I'm upset or anything. I love side quest chains, and these are great fun. If you have time, try to work up a new one for the Seeq. They will be in FFTA2 as well, and we wouldn't want these newcomers to Ivalice to feel left out, would we?
Wait, are you planning to send these ideas to Square-Enix, sorry, but I haven't read the previous pages only this recent one, and the ideas seem relatively impressive, I must say.
Nothing but Exp and AP, right, Wolf?Correct on the awards. Item and gil should be awarded only after the missions are completed.
Those item ideas work much better.
I will definitely include these missions, as they are just too much fun to leave out. However, I am going to switch their purpose from what they were originally planned for. While these missions are awesome, I just don't think they will work for the out of Ivalice free area missions. So I'm still busy trying to come up with new scenarios for that chain. Not that I'm upset or anything. I love side quest chains, and these are great fun. If you have time, try to work up a new one for the Seeq. They will be in FFTA2 as well, and we wouldn't want these newcomers to Ivalice to feel left out, would we?
Certainly, I'm happy you enjoy them and I'll try to think up a Seeq scenario as well. I also have the special mission for Clan Ultima...
P.S. for Hazzard: Definetly read the whole thing, it's quite impressive what Skyblade and the others have put together (I'm a late comer to the project) though I believe your answer lies in only a page or two back I believe...
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Seeq scenario: Treasure Map Stolen! Yes apparently a thief disguised as a young girl stole a valuable treasure map from our Clan. The treasure is a dangerous item that has the power to defeat our entire Clan! Our Clan once engaged in civil wars to obtain this item for it's power and value are so great! You must track down this thief at once and make sure the treasure does not fall into the wrong hands!
Author's Notes: The first mission has the party catch up to the thief, a ninja by the name of Yuffie. Yuffie seems a little distracted cause the party seems to have a come at a bad time unless you're an angry ninja/thief wanting to let off some steam for being swindled! Yuffie is a Ninja with Thief sub abilities. You must successfully complete the mission with all equipment intact.
After her defeat, Yuffie explains she no longer has the map. She was ambushed by two monsters and they stole it from her. She points you in the right direction to find them and escapes with a sizeable amount of your hard earned gil...
The second mission has you face off against Mr. Typhoon. You must defeat him before he removes your entire party from the battle with Sneeze. (I don't know what enemy sprite to use for him though... perhaps a Bomb?)
The third mission has you catch up with the master of the scheme. A Flan by the name of Ultros! Ultros is a little irked by the treasure it seems and wishes to do battle to let off some steam... Ultros uses powerful magics and is will only attack woman so a Ritz and Viera match with one exception... Ultros actually thinks Marche is a girl...
With Ultros defeated, the party discovers that the Seeq treasure is actually a shiny glass trinket. Apparently the Seeq have a weakness to shiny objects and sealed the item out of fear... Marche destroys the item to save the Seeq clan.
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Clan Ultima Secret Mission! The Zodiac Braves Story!
This is not a traditional mission but a side quest involving three missions. Montblanc is fretting cause he's learned that a close friend of his, the Nu Muo named Durai, has lost track of his little brother Olan. The clan is now been asked to help look for him.
Marche finds Olan, along with his two friends the moogle Mustadio and the Viera Teta, by a river. Olan tells Marche that he can't go back cause he's on a secret mission to help save Ivalice. Olan and his friends are looking for the 12 legendary Zodiac Stones to summon the Zodiac Brave, a legendary hero of Ivalice. Marche asks to explain.
Olan tells Marche that he read about it in a book his brother read to him when he was younger. The story was about a boy from a noble family who forsake his lineage to save Ivalice from a civil war. He battled 12 fearsome beasts who were manipulating the war for their own ends. Before Marche can ask any further, the children find another stone by the river but they run into Piette's Goblin flunky Biggs (I forget which is which actually :sweatdrop: ).
A mission ensues where Marche and company must face off against a small group of Goblins. They are all of high level. Biggs himself is level 99 (note his stats just need to be high but he probably shouldn't actually be level 99) Magic does not work and all Goblins counter physical attacks with Goblin Punch. Biggs' version of Counter Goblin Punch should even hit enemies farther than it's normal range meaning even spamming Monk and Fighter based techniques won't work. Biggs' version should also have a 50% chance of missing or doing max damage.
With Biggs defeated, The children acquire the zodiac stone Aries! Marche asks to examine the book Olan is using to look for the stone as well as the stone. The book turns out to be a children's book of fairytales. the Stone...
Aries: A simple rock with the symbol of Aries scribbled on by a child's crayon.
Marche plays along and tells Olan and the others that everyone is looking for them and they need to go back. The children agree with Olan being quite happy with himself. Olan mentions he has to find a few more stones...
The second mission begins with Marche finding the three once again looking for the stones in a forest. Olan tells Marche he needs only the Virgo stone to have all twleve. He goes on about how thegreat hero will appaer and end this horrible war and his brother won't have to fight anymore. Marche becomes taken back by this and tries to tell him that the story is only a fairy tale. He's interrupted by Teta finding the Virgo stone which is also found by the Bomb Wedge...
The mission involves a battle with high level Bombs with Wedge being lv 99 (once again rules with Biggs are implied) Only magic hurts them and Marche and party only have a few rounds to defeat them before every surviving bomb uses Chain Reaction to all explode at once and ending the mission in failure. Wedge should counter physical attacks with Explode that does max damage and does not remove Wedge from battle or decrease his HP.
After the battle, Olan picks up the Virgo stone and places it with all the other stones. When nothing happens he begins to wonder why. Marche explains to Olan that the story is a fairy tale and that he needs to go home. Olan tells Marche he's lying, his brother used to tell them that if anything bad ever happened to Ivalice that the "Zodiac Brave" would appear and save the land. Olan says his brother would never lie to him and he runs off.
In the third mission Marche finds Olan in a cave looking for the secret thirteenth stone Serpentarius. Marche tries to explain once again to Olan but Olan refuses. He tells Marche that Ivalice needs a hero more than ever and he was going to do his part. Olan finds Serpentarius but runs into Piette and his two henchmen. Piette has also heard of the story and hopes to collect the stones to gain their powers over the demonic Lucavi, and rule the world! The battle begins.
In this mission the party only fights Piette, Biggs, and Wedge. All three are Lv.99 but former rules still apply. The battle begins with both Biggs and Wedge talking about their defeats to Marche. Piette mentions that now that they are all together the power of friendship will help them and the three gain a strange aura...
Piette has the "Friendship paling" that protects him from all damage. If he's physically attacked, Biggs counters with Frindship Punch that does max damage to whoever attacked Piette. If Piette is hit with Magic, then Wedge counters with "Explosive Friendship" which does max damage to whoever cast the spell. Attcking the other two garners Piette to use "Friendship Power" that targets a random opponent and does normal damage for his stats. It should be significant damage but not "auto kill" like the other two. You need to kill the two flunkies before you can even hurt Piette. After they are gone. Piette attacks normal but with his high stats he should still be a handful.
With Piette defeated he retreats with his cronies and Olan gains the Zodiac Stone Serpentarius. Olan's friends appear with Durai and watch as Olan puts the thirteen stones together. Nothing happens and Olan walks away. Marche and Durai try to comfort him but Olan retorts. "I knew it wasn't really going to work, but I desperately believed. I'm okay though cause it did work in a way. Marche, you are the Zodiac Brave! I have seen you through all this and can see that you are the hero that will save Ivalice! Hurry and end the war so my brother can read me more stories." With that the party leaves except for Marche who leaves last and sees the stones glow...
Author's notes: The glowing stone's mean nothing, it's just a moment where Marche begins to wonder but nothing is supposed to come of it. You gain the Zodiac Stones as an event item which will be traded in for an item presented to you by Durai.
Hmm... Some interesting new limitations on some of those. Biggs, Wedge, and Piette may be a little too powerful, but that can be fiddled with some.
Nearly done with my assitance missions for the out of Ivalice free area quests. Should be up on Friday.
Edit: Sorry, it's taking a lot longer than I thought it would, and I couldn't work on it at all yesterday. The basic format of the missions will involve allies from other clans in Ivalice. The missions will range from basic combat to some far more complex objectives, like rescuing prisoners, sabotage, espionage, protecting other clan units, and assassinating leaders of the opposing army. I've worked out several ways to implement these in the battle system, and if it works out well, they should be great fun.
Sounds good so far. Take your time and have fun with it for now. ;)
For those wondering why this update took so long and doesn't contain information on the out of Ivalice Area Free missions, it's because much of that information is too tedious to put up here. Information on enemy positions and abilities, mission objectives, etcetera.
This update deals with the new Totema. I finally thought of a way to bring the missing Espers from FFXII in without messing up the plot. As I said before, my little Mage General will get his hands on the Gran Grimoire. He creates the new Espers and looses their power upon Ivalice. Unlike the Totema, these new Espers are not protectors. Far from it. Crafted from the shattered fragments of the Crystals, these creatures are incarnations of destruction (I use the term Totema to refer to the old Espers, that were protectors of the crystals. Both the old Totema and the new summons can be referred to as Espers). Thus there will be two Espers per race (which, if we include Seeqs as a new race, leaves us with only one left over, Zodiark, who I'll talk about later). In addition to the standard damage/MP damage, several of these new Espers will inflict Status effects. Zalera, for example, has a chance of instant death, while Cúchulainn will inflict at least poison.
Esper Battle: Belias, the Gigas
Belias is a primarily fire based creature, and his battle takes place in a highly volcanic area. In addition to his heavy hitting Fire area of effect attacks and standard Esper moves (like those wielded by the Totema in the original FFTA), he can also trigger an eruption for a full map attack. Heavy hitting, but definitely not the strongest you'll face, especially given how easy it is to get Fire Shields.
Esper Battle: Cúchulainn, the Impure
Cúchulainn's battle introduces a dangerous new aspect of the gameplay: terrain shifting (and, no, this isn't the only battle you'll see it in). Cúchulainn's mere prescence poisons the land around him, and every turn the tiles will shift, and many tiles will become poison tiles (a character standing on a poison tile takes a damage hit, like the poison status, but the effect is not persistent, so stepping off the tile stops it). In addition to Esper techniques, he has several annoying status causing effects, and quite a bit of HP.
More battles yet to come.
Well I'm certainly impressed. Can't wait to hear about the other Espers to appear. So even Chaos and Zeromus...
A quick update on the free area missions. One change I am making to the Free Area missions is to how they'll work with the cities. Any area can come under attack, and, should a city fall, not only will you lose its discount at the shops, but you'll lose access to the city as well. You can lose the Prison, the Clan Center, the Monster Bank, Ezel's shop... These losses could be quite a pain if allowed to stack up, so you'll probably want to keep your cities out of enemy hands. Unlike the original FFTA, when an area that has already been freed falls under the control of enemy forces, you don't have to go to a pub to get a mission to get the area back, you just have to go to the area in question. Normally, when you move onto the area, the mission will be highlighted ready to be selected to free the area again, but, if it's a city, as soon as you move onto the area, the engagement to free the city begins. This can cause difficulty because, if there are enemy forces in the city, or that move onto the city during the same turn, they'll be there to support the city's garrison. So watch the battlefront carefully.