Well the bomb would kill everyone so it's a pretty dumb idea.
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Well the bomb would kill everyone so it's a pretty dumb idea.
i dunno about the rest of you but for some reason i just have this feeling that come season 6 everything that has happened so far will just be obsolete.
like, it seems to me that the whole show so far has been leading up to the season 5 finale, stuff like the hatch being in season 1 then hints of time travel, then full blown time travel, now the story is based around the hatch again, among other things.
but i just get the feeling that they will end up in 2007 again, drop the whole time travel thing and most of the stuff that has happened so far (especially anything dharma related) just wont be important anymore.
i dunno maybe its just me
They said the time-travel stuff will be wrapped up and be over in the finale.
Jack can't succeed because if he blows up the island and they all die and none of it ever happened then there isn't a show anymore so creative wise the writers wouldn't do that.
And yes the idea is to kill them all as well as the pocket of energy which is why the need for an evacuation.
I dunno, you know. That he was building a ship in a bottle makes me think he might be from The Black Rock. Although no reason both can't be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
This. *nod*Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Well, yeah, Jack's crazy, but Sayid's hardly a bastion of sanity either. Also, I'm going to guess Jack has no idea how the smurf to detonate a hydrogen bomb, and if there's one person on the island who does, it'd be Sayid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
At first, I thought this was a very likely answer to the whole "Locke is alive" mystery, but ... (SPOILER)They've cast an actor for Jacob, so he does have a corporeal form - in fact, spoilers say that Jacob will be visiting the remaining survivors at pivotal moments in their lives: Sawyer's parents' funeral, Sun and Jin's wedding, Nadia's (Sayid's love) murder, and outside Athony Cooper's suite after Locke is thrown from the window. I'm assuming he appears to Hurley while he is in jail and helps him escape, since Hurley's journey back to the Island has yet to be explained. I haven't read anything about Jacob interacting with Kate, which sort of makes me think she either: a) is the one who dies in the finale, or b) the black horse is Jacob appearing to Kate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
ANYWAY - Same goes for Jack. No spoilers about Jacob appearing to him. Why? Because Jack is Jacob :D. More than likely, the reason Locke is going to kill Jacob is because of he and Jack's longstanding rivalry, since their whole dynamic has been slowly turning them against each other. I think Locke has some special knowledge of the future / past since dying ... Jacob, if he is Jack, seems like he exists 'outside' of time, so in killing Jacob perhaps Locke is going to be the one who truly changes the past, not Jack. What I mean is that Jacob has obviously been around for a long time, so my theory is that Jacob is Jack trapped in a giant time loop that never ends (ie. at the end of time, Jacob is sent back to the beginning), and by killing Jacob (at any point in time) messes this loop up and just smurfs :bou::bou::bou::bou: up in general. Whatever happened, happened ... but the future hasn't /technically/ happened yet, so it's changeable from Locke's point in time (the present).
I'd wager that Jack is definitely the cause of the Incident. Likewise, he is also responsible for the loss of Dr. Chang's arm in the fray. Jack thinks the drilling causes the Incident, so he's gonna blow :bou::bou::bou::bou: up to stop it. In reality, what I think is going to happen, is the H-Bomb causes the Incident and releases the electromagnetic force (wherein the only way to fix it is encasing it in cement, setting up the button ...). So, in actuality, Jack is the cause of the very thing he seeks to prevent. If that doesn't make him believe in destiny, I don't know what will.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
(SPOILER)Naw, previews of the finale show Sayid more or less taking charge of the whole operation. He has personal stake in changing the timeline, too, since it would stop Nadia from dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Oh, and I'm really confused about the entire third and second season now. If Richard (and, presumeably Ben) knew Jack and Co. time traveled to the past, why were they so antagonistic towards them? Were they trying to truly hurt (or kill) them in an attempt to change the past? On Ben's part, this seems likely. Or, were they trying to nudge the survivors in the right direction? Making sure they follow their destiny? Evidently, the Others do have some way to predict or see the future, since they built the landing strip for flight 316 to land on and Eloise has remarked that she is unsure what is going to happen "for the first time in a long time." I don't know. The whole behavior of the Others in the previous seasons just confuses me now, since they obviously knew that Oceanic 815's crash was more than just a random occurence.
it could be a case of the writers not having decided time travel at the time.. it could be a case of "course correction" who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Moon RabbitsAt first, I thought this was a very likely answer to the whole "Locke is alive" mystery, but ... (SPOILER)They've cast an actor for Jacob, so he does have a corporeal form - in fact, spoilers say that Jacob will be visiting the remaining survivors at pivotal moments in their lives: Sawyer's parents' funeral, Sun and Jin's wedding, Nadia's (Sayid's love) murder, and outside Athony Cooper's suite after Locke is thrown from the window. I'm assuming he appears to Hurley while he is in jail and helps him escape, since Hurley's journey back to the Island has yet to be explained. I haven't read anything about Jacob interacting with Kate, which sort of makes me think she either: a) is the one who dies in the finale, or b) the black horse is Jacob appearing to Kate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
ANYWAY - Same goes for Jack. No spoilers about Jacob appearing to him. Why? Because Jack is Jacob :D. More than likely, the reason Locke is going to kill Jacob is because of he and Jack's longstanding rivalry, since their whole dynamic has been slowly turning them against each other. I think Locke has some special knowledge of the future / past since dying ... Jacob, if he is Jack, seems like he exists 'outside' of time, so in killing Jacob perhaps Locke is going to be the one who truly changes the past, not Jack. What I mean is that Jacob has obviously been around for a long time, so my theory is that Jacob is Jack trapped in a giant time loop that never ends (ie. at the end of time, Jacob is sent back to the beginning), and by killing Jacob (at any point in time) messes this loop up and just smurfs :bou::bou::bou::bou: up in general. Whatever happened, happened ... but the future hasn't /technically/ happened yet, so it's changeable from Locke's point in time (the present).
I'd wager that Jack is definitely the cause of the Incident. Likewise, he is also responsible for the loss of Dr. Chang's arm in the fray. Jack thinks the drilling causes the Incident, so he's gonna blow :bou::bou::bou::bou: up to stop it. In reality, what I think is going to happen, is the H-Bomb causes the Incident and releases the electromagnetic force (wherein the only way to fix it is encasing it in cement, setting up the button ...). So, in actuality, Jack is the cause of the very thing he seeks to prevent. If that doesn't make him believe in destiny, I don't know what will.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
(SPOILER)Naw, previews of the finale show Sayid more or less taking charge of the whole operation. He has personal stake in changing the timeline, too, since it would stop Nadia from dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Oh, and I'm really confused about the entire third and second season now. If Richard (and, presumeably Ben) knew Jack and Co. time traveled to the past, why were they so antagonistic towards them? Were they trying to truly hurt (or kill) them in an attempt to change the past? On Ben's part, this seems likely. Or, were they trying to nudge the survivors in the right direction? Making sure they follow their destiny? Evidently, the Others do have some way to predict or see the future, since they built the landing strip for flight 316 to land on and Eloise has remarked that she is unsure what is going to happen "for the first time in a long time." I don't know. The whole behavior of the Others in the previous seasons just confuses me now, since they obviously knew that Oceanic 815's crash was more than just a random occurence.
i think the reason eloise no longer knows what will happen is that the oceanic 5 returned. she knew she had to get daniel to go to the island and she knew that she had to get the oceanic 5 to return so events would play out as she remembered. now theyve returned, shes fulfilled what she had to do (and ultimately what she knew would happen anyway because she experienced in the past therefore knew itd happen) and now doesnt know what will happen next, just like anyone else
as for the runway, maybe the others knew 316 would crash so built a run way.. or maybe they just had other reasons for their run way and it was a spot of luck that 316 was near it
Because they didn't know it was the same people at first and then what would they do once they finally made certain it was the same time travelers? "Oh hi you need to stay on this island for some time until this wheel is turned and you go back to 1977 to do the stuff you were meant to do. Have a nice day"Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
How would they not be sure? Richard, at least, obviously knew a plane was going to crash in 2004 since he met Jack and Co. in 1977. And they obviously do have some future-telling capacity, what with the runway and all. Unless it was 316 that was supposed to crash originally, and never 815 - maybe the Others were waiting for Ilana and her shadow people all along?Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'Because they didn't know it was the same people at first and then what would they do once they finally made certain it was the same time travelers? "Oh hi you need to stay on this island for some time until this wheel is turned and you go back to 1977 to do the stuff you were meant to do. Have a nice day"Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
Holy crap... how did Juliet survive that fall, and all of that debris? And how did the bomb not explode when Jack dropped it but did when Juliet hit it with a rock a few times?
... Wait, it's LOST. Should I expect it to make coherent sense?
I AM SO PISSED OFF THEY KILLED JULIET.
Her death was the best one in the show, though.
Who knows if Juliet is truly dead. Who knows how this will play out. It simply comes down to the question of whether they were fulfilling their roles in the time line or if they were really variables that could bend time to their wills. The ending certainly didn't leave room for an answer. And if what they did worked, Jacob has nothing to worry about.
I believe the events on the island symbolically represent a game of chess between two sides: dark and light, black and white, evil and good. The game is played between two stances, who use their pieces to prove their stance. One side believes in the cooperative nature of humanity, while another believes in the destructive nature of humanity.
After tonight's episode, these two sides have been clearly illustrated...
On the Light side belongs Jacob as the leader, who uses his pieces and arranges them to prove his point: Humanity has a chance to avoid destruction, since everything before destruction "is progress".
Jacob's pieces include: Richard, Ilana, Bram and the other "shadow of the statue crew", and probably the majority of the Losties.
The leader on the Dark side is the unnamed guy at the beginning of the finale episode, in the black shirt, speaking to Jacob, in the white shirt; I would also go as far as to say this man is the Smoke Monster. He is the guardian of the underworld (of sorts), and does not seem capable of directly interfering with human affairs; instead, he manifests himself through various dead characters, and uses influence to change the course of events.
Dead character's he has manifested himself as: Christian, Alex and Locke DEFINITELY. (Perhaps Yemi). He has also, most recently, influenced Ben.
I feel this is definitely evidenced. At the beginning of the episode, the man in black told Jacob he would find a loophole and kill Jacob, who then responded by pretty much saying, "You know where to find me."
... Centuries later, the man in black animates himself as John Locke, which instills a sense of faith in Ben once again. Ben seeks judgment from the Smoke Monster. Once in the Cavern, Ben falls through the floor, and Locke leaves to find help. Coincidentally, the Smoke Monster appears, and judges Ben. Once the Monster disappears, he animates himself as Alex, who tells him to follow everything John Locke (the man in black/the Smoke Monster/Reanimated Alex) says. This obviously sets Ben up once again, when he is faced with the the choice to listen to Locke, or leave. Having been threatened by the Smoke Monster, and being what felt like betrayed by Jacob, Ben stabs him.
Although Ben is being used, I still contend he will turn out to be on the right side at the end of it all.
All these characters are pawns, rooks and bishops in a large game of chess being played on (and off) the island; this "game" is indicative of the ultimate nature of humankind, and the Valenzetti Equation is suggestive that the dark side wins so far. Inevitably, the good side will overcome the odds, and change the numbers before the end of the series.
uber pissed..so confused (and not in a good way), absolutely cant stand Kate now (I probably shouldnt have been surprised that she'd change her mind when she saw Jack)!
i dont know people wtf went down tonight...good season but something felt really "off" about the payoff that usually happens in Lost finale's!
That's because this finale didn't answer much...We are still left at the end with "did this cause the Incident or not." and as well with who Illana's group is. This ending wasn't a gamechanger like Walt being taken, the Swan imploding, flashforwards, or the island moving. It was just a bomb going off and Jacob dieing...
If you noticed, Jacob explicitly touched each character in their flashbacks. Even for a casual viewer it was pretty apparent.
From a logical point of view (lol), Nemesis wanted to kill Jacob but couldn't do it himself so it needed someone who would do it for him. But not just anyone could waltz up to where Jacob resided and so Nemesis (who I would say is the smoke monster) used different characters to manipulate them to find the one person it needed that could do the job...John Locke. It made him look like the leader of the Others in order to finally be able to get to Jacob and use Ben to kill him.
The Jacob thing is cool and I believe he knew he would die. His behavior at the end only proved that he foresaw his death. Perhaps with his death he will pull an Obi-Wan and help our Losties somehow.
And the white flash at the end was a time flash in my opinion. The Losties fulfilled their purpose of creating the Incident and will teleport to 2007 and the story will continue about stopping Nemesis.
Yeah, Jacob believes in the "goodness" of humanity, the other guy doesn't. He even mentions something about that when they're watching the Black Rock come toward the Island (which, it is apparent, Richard (Ricardos?) was an inhabitant of). I'd also say that the other guy is the smoke monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paro
>D This episode made my theorizing about Jacob vs. Esau even more plausible.
Yeah, except Jacob didn't appear to Juliet. I knew right then she was going to die. If the whiteness WAS a flashforward, I'll be pissed, because that means Juliet is going to be dead even though EVERYONE else in that blast radius would be smurfed but miraculously alive anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
OH, and "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" is "He who will save us all."
Sawyer kicking Jack in the groin will never, ever, be topped.
Also I like that this show went right into answering the "Who is Jacob?" question by showing him buying a New Kids on the Block lunchbox.
Man, Mullet, your wife was pretty close to being right on Jacob. It just wasn't Jacob she was talking about.
Okay, callin' it: Juliet was pregnant, and her involvement with the Incident is why women can't have babies, which, given that's the reason she was on the island in the first place, is incredibly ironic.
Or the Incident released a small amount of radiation that disallowed pregnancies :p
Yeah, I'm thinking that the radiation is responsible for all that sort of stuff. Since, obviously, Dharma could have behbehs (Ethan) and it wasn't miraculous. I also think it is the cause of Danielle's crew getting "sick" - perhaps they got radiation poisoning!!Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
I'm still really pissed Juliet had to be the one to do it though. Really, I would have been much more satisfied with Kate being the one who dies. I mean, seriously! The producers have been hinting at Sawyer and Kate getting back together next season, and if that happens, I'll be even more upset that Juliet died like this. I mean, there's really nothing they can do with Sawyer's character that won't anger me anymore >( If he goes back to Kate, that totally makes Juliet's death meaningless. If he doesn't go back to Kate, his character is useless in the drama of the show and he might as well be killed off. :( They should have killed both Juliet AND Sawyer.
Though, I'm still holding on to the hope that the giant "shocker" death of the finale was in fact NOT Juliet's - it could've been Jacob. Or, for all we know, Sayid is dead!
Uhhhhh wasn't the shocker death supposed to be, y'know, Locke? Or did I miss something? :confused:
Also pah, radiation! You guys need to think of more imaginative reasons behind everything. Maybe Richard is a bunch of different guys who all get plastic surgery, and the title and face is passed down from Richard to Richard.
EDIT: Sucks to be Locke, though. Spends his entire life being manipulated, comes to the island believing he is special and has a destiny, but pow! He gets used yet again by whoever the smurf that dude was at the start. Also, it was fake Locke who told Richard to tell the real Locke he needed to die. Damn son, that is cold.
The theories posted here sound pretty good!
This episode wasn't that great as a finale. It felt like a lot of buildup and then didn't really pay off in the end. Who cares if some new character gets introduced and then stabbed, even if he is central to the storyline.
Jacob looks like one of my college buddies. xD
I imagine, through island magic, that the 70s Losties will wake up in present time, having fulfilled their part to create the incident and whatnot. Juliet will be injured, so the first couple of episodes will be "cliffhangers" as to whether or not Jack can save her. There will probably be some drama between the Jack x Juliet x Kate x Sawyer clustersmurf they have going on with hurt feelings, etc... (nobody gives a rat's ass about this anymore, why do they keep it going?) Eventually Juliet will live or die and they'll all end up with the current group of survivors and Sun will be reunited with Jin. Then there will be this big good versus evil battle with Jacob's people versus the other guy(Esau?) and in the end we'll get all of the answers to the big questions.
Anyways, that's my theory of the season 6 synopsis in a nutshell.
random thought: locke was never as special as he thought he was, and neither is the title of leader among the others. charles and ben never seemed special or revered when they were leading so i doubt locke would be either. heck, for all we know he wasnt even meant to be leader.
think of it this way, why did richard take an interest in locke in the first place? cos he appeared in the past saying "jacob says im your leader" but didnt john get most of his instructions from christian? christian at this point is clearly another manifestation of jacob's enemy so locke has been used and probably isnt special at all
No - Widmore and Eloise both were respected and obeyed by the Others. Widmore had the ability to order them around (instructing Ben to kill Danielle, for instance) and Richard said he was "protecting our leader" when he knocked Eloise out before she entered the basement of the Dharmaville house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
I agree with what you said about Locke, though. His life totally sucks (sucked?).
Am I the only one who thinks Jack's motivation for nuking the island is a bit unrealistic. Seriously, nuking an island to get together with some horny bitch? Am I missing something here?
I assumed it would be more along the lines of, "Blah blah blah suffering for three+ years blah blah it's the right thing to do blah blah destiny blah blah."
Isn't that his motivation? To prevent the past 3 years from having happened?? I mean, if it worked, he and Kate would never know eachother and Kate would be going to jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdm42393
Jack is an idiot. Why does he love Kate so much and want to do all this stuff to be with her? She's not worth all this.
Everyone except Sawyer is ass-crazy. I was screaming at my TV, "WHY?" There's no reason to blow up a freaking bomb. Sigh.
charles was definately respected as a leader. i think what i was trying to say was that nothing was actually special about any of the leaders. by that i mean they werent picked for any mystical reason and it wasnt destiny or anything, but then locke came along and everything pointed to him being some sort of chosen one but in the end it was all just a plan by some guy and everything locke believed about the island, and died for was a complete lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon RabbitsNo - Widmore and Eloise both were respected and obeyed by the Others. Widmore had the ability to order them around (instructing Ben to kill Danielle, for instance) and Richard said he was "protecting our leader" when he knocked Eloise out before she entered the basement of the Dharmaville house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
I agree with what you said about Locke, though. His life totally sucks (sucked?).
And Miles. smurfing loved it when he was like "Uh, guys, how do you know this bomb won't cause the incident? Did any of you even bother to think this through?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
what will fill this void :sad:
Oh, right, Miles, too. But Miles doesn't seem to have any say, so what he thinks isn't really applicable to the plot. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticAnd Miles. smurfing loved it when he was like "Uh, guys, how do you know this bomb won't cause the incident? Did any of you even bother to think this through?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
Geez, I can't wait like 9 months for the final season!
Yeah, I'm really quite upset that characters like Lapidus and Miles are still alive while characters like Juliet, Sayid, and Daniel had to bite it this season. I mean, I understand Miles' psychic abilities are probably going to play into next season's story lines ... but Lapidus? Who cares about him? Why is he still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by KirobaitoOh, right, Miles, too. But Miles doesn't seem to have any say, so what he thinks isn't really applicable to the plot. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticAnd Miles. smurfing loved it when he was like "Uh, guys, how do you know this bomb won't cause the incident? Did any of you even bother to think this through?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
Same with Jin and Sun. They add nothing whatsoever to the show anymore. Sun had a really cool story arc being built up for her at the beginning of the season (revenge on Ben / Jack, conspiring with Widmore, taking over Mr. Paik's business), but half way through she just became UTTERLY useless. All she did for the last half of season 5 was run up to people and say "Have you seen my husband?"
And oh my god! Bernard and Rose <3333333333 I loved them in the finale. "We're retired." Classic. I think we've seem the last of them ... I think it would be safe to assume that they are indeed Adam and Eve. Though, I wonder why they had the black and white rocks.
That was brilliant, his quiet sarcasm there was hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I doubt Sayid's dead just yet. I think it's the same situation with Jin at the end of last season.
So where did Jack learn to shoot like a badass? It's not easy to run around firing a gun at shoulder height and hit people, all while trying to keep your balance.
Hahahahaahha I loved his shooting things face.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ootingface.jpg
AMAZING :heart:
They have been getting shot at / shooting people for about 4 years, but yeah, it is impressive ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
Jack was only on the island for a few months.
In that case, why does everyone know how to knock people temporarily unconscious by hitting them on the head? We never see someone get hit on the head and NOT fall unconscious. Or see someone's skull get cracked and their brain mushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
Yeah and how does a sentient being made of smoke manifest itself as other people.
These are where the true mysteries lie. ;)
You know the saying, "you can't polish a turd"? NOT TRUE.
Lost is smurfing ridiculous. I mean god damn, this show is just out of control stupid. But dammit, they can take the most nonsensical plot and sell the hell out of it. It's like, week after week, they give you this exciting, dramatic, beautiful hour of television, but when you're done, you're not even really sure wtf happened. It's when I start thinking too much about theories and explanations and :bou::bou::bou::bou: that I start getting enraged cause it's so obvious they're just pulling stuff outta their ass.
The whole "we're gonna change our own future, even though we established that you can't change the past!" was dumb as hell, but daaaamn. Sawyer and Juliet totally upped their game in the finale. Their performances were CRAZY good. Seriously. That's the kind of :bou::bou::bou::bou: you stand up and applaud. They took a really unbelievable chemistry-less relationship and towards the end, managed to take it beyond believable to "omfg, don't separate them!" land. Mad props.
I don't even give a smurf what kind of explanation they try and concoct for Jacob and his black-shirt/Locke 2.0 buddy. Don't care. Don't wanna think about it. Whateverrrr.
Also, Miles is really amazing. Love that guy.
hahahaahahahahahahahaha miri xDDD
I would love to believe that they've known exactly what they were doing from season 4. I still think it might be true!
I like this. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
Mythbusters busted the myth that you can't polish a turd. They polished that crap up good!
I completely agree with this. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paro
I thouroughly enjoyed this finale actually. Things ARE starting to come together in my opinion. And I really dont believe they've just been making it up as they go along. Maybe this isnt the best comparison, but Rowling showed with Harry Potter (yeah yeah) that you can have a whole story arc planned out over 7 books (which only seemed to tie up in the last 3 books) so why not for 6 seasons of a television show (where it also seems to have started coming together in the 3rd last season).
However, time travel has and will never work as a good plot device, and im glad its (apparently) over with.
I guess im in the minority for enjoying season 4 + 5 more than the other seasons?
Nemesis + Jacob = Cain and Abel????
Or Esau, whatever..
Also: the statue of Tawaret
There were actually three Lockes in one particular timeline, that's all I can say for now.