Oh and why are qwerty and GoBo both the only ones attacking me?
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Oh and why are qwerty and GoBo both the only ones attacking me?
I think you are scum, and I do not let scum live. :p
Grr, I meant to bold those votes, sorry.
AMAZING!!
Sure, I could go the easy way and vote for that crazy boy Laddy. But it seems a little too easy. If he really does have that role then it's an investigative role and should not be cast aside so easily. So let's look at one of the people who has their vote on Laddy, someone who is no stranger to mafia tactics.
Then after I presented an argument and voted for Celes, he presents a similar argument and votes for Celes.
We also both didn't find qwerty suspicious. And here's more:
Most of the rest of his posts today have been focused on Laddy. That itself doesn't really send up a flag, as Laddy pretty much made himself the focus with his role claim. But what about all this 'I suspect people who agree with Del Murder, yet I agree with Del Murder on almost everything'? Yes, it could be that we just have the same opinions. After all I came up with them and I stand by them. It is not unreasonable for an intelligent person to also do the same. The 'suck up to Del Murder' argument naturally piqued my interest when he first made it so I kept an eye on him. It just seems odd that we agree so much after he specifically called out those who agree with me.
lom turning on your mafia buddy now. Ouch laddy, thats gotta sting. :(
I'll give you ONE cookie :cookie:
:monster: gets the rest already :/
what do you think of me Del? I wanna know!
Not nearly as fervently.
AND GOD THIS IS NO LAST DITCH EFFORT!
Now, let's think what you think on everyone else besides me, honeys.
I think that there is a governor and it was the governor who saved you yesterday. I am not sure what Sag bases his claim that I am the governor, other than the fact that I didn't think you should be lynched. I will say that for now I am glad that you weren't. :)
Very observant, Del.
And GoBo, sweet lil thing, why would you try so hard to focus your attention on me, the "easy" target, yet remain basically oblivious to the actions around us? You trying to push me and generally ignoring everyone around us, why is that? You blame me for playing poorly, when you guys essentially ignore the possibility of anyone else being Mafia? That's not how "veterans" play.
and because I already said all I had to say earlier that hasn't already been said. This roleclaim of yours...on one hand i wouldn't be surprised to find out that it really is a legit role that Paul and DD came up with xD On the other hand...I just don't know if I believe it or not. I need to think about it a little more before I can decide how I feel about it.
In the meantime, it's my bed time. Night all~
my above post is in reference to Laddy's question on why no one else was attacking him, supposedly.
Oh, Laddy you slick little sex-machine you, you certainly have no idea what's swirling through in my devious head. Certainly not focus on Laddy. Certainly not, Laddy is the only mafioso in this game. No, I've enjoyed watching everyone's response to my posts and your posts. Alas, now I want our affair to end.
Scum list of high probability
lom. His attack on me day 1 is the main signal for this. He had pretty fuzzy logic going on there, and tried to justify a lynch based on a faulty case.
Medium probability
Jessweeee and Freya/Lekana. They are both adamant on keeping you alive more than anybody else. I see this as being either really trusting or attempts to save a team mate or stall so one of the mafia members can write you a better script to dig you out of the hole you made.
I have no idea :/
Shattered Dreamer, Christmas and Del. I'm stumped and can't get a bearing on them.
All others are on low alert from me, but nobody is cleared. Except Sir Lancealot, may you rest in peace. *lights memorial candle thingy*
Now you're insulting my intelligence. Which granted, isn't much, but I've been told it's there, sweetie, and I will listen to them.
Honestly, there have been much things said about me, but be the better player, Goldenboco, and consider the possiblity that the most outspoken person in the game isn't Mafia, and rarely is.
If you were town, you would snuff out under-the-radar players, not attack and the most obvious person out, that is VERY suspicious. You seem to have an army of lom and qwerty firing load after load (indeed I am enjoying it) and yet are completely lacking any ability to realize that you guys have been doing very poorly covering yourselves up. I know at least one of you is Mafia.
Tell me this, the most active and craziest is ALWAYS a target, but rarely gets lynched, because every player knows that mafians know better than to look for reasons to get lynched, but you guys are starting a crusade, crawling in the cracks every opportunity I get.
You look for comfort from better players, you are trying desperately to get me lynched. I am unaware just how many hours we have left in the day, but enough to now that I did not roleclaim nearly close enough to the end of the day for it to be a last-ditch effort.
Speak. Now. Why would I be a worthy sacrifice? Why is the loudest lamb left to the slaughter? And not the wisest?
Excuuuuse me, Mr. Fast Poster. :p
Oh and
##Vote: Goldenboco
Votecount, for great :quina:
Laddy (5): Goldenboko, sagensyg, qwertysaur, ~*~Celes~*~, leader of mortals
~*~Celes~*~ (1): Freya
Blues Agent (1): Christmas
Goldenboko (1): Laddy
Shattered Dreamer (0):
:rabite: targets who haven't voted yet:
Timekeeper, Aerith's Knight, Del Murder, Jessweeee, Blues Agent, Shattered Dreamer.
This is gaybashing!
Unvote me then kthxplz
no. :)
Stop derailing the town from discussion now Laddy, your mafia buddies are getting away!
What buddies? I'm a mason.
Alright. I roleclaimed in order to keep the fact I'm a mason under wraps, but without claiming cop and slowly announce the innocence of my fellow masons.
Bad idea.
..or getting the wrong guy.
##Unvote: Goldenboco
##Vote: Laddy
My buddies are Jessweeee and AK, btw.
We be masons! Lynch me and see!
Trying to be like me now Laddy?
No way thats going to work. also majority lynch is 7 not 6, so we still get a chance to discuss for a long time.
more FAIL
Mason - MafiaWiki
Not unless I get another vote...
I did not mention such in my Role PM, so I will declare it invalid.
Lets not speed lynch laddy people, thats going to cost us some time to get leader of mortals.
Please don't kill Laddy :(
No, do! In doing so the Mafians qwerty and GoBo are exposed.
Plus, you and Ak are saved. It's a worthy sacrifice!
Well at least we're in a better situation. 1 lynch = either 2 confirms or 1 dead mafia.
Anybody, if you were the cop, would you want to know my alignment based on my actions from Day 1?
Ok now he claims Mason. Forget what I said to lom above.
What makes you think lom is another mafia, q?
##unvote: Laddy
No speed lynches
Day 1, lom attacks me for the same reasons as laddy, and that is that I have to be a Jester so kill me and get out of my way when I constantly reminded everyone I am not a jester.
Then he forgets all about me because I didn't die, and attacks Shattered Dreamer for also acting very erratically. He then shifts to laddy when laddy falls apart under the pressure Boko and myself have applied to him. Throwing him under the bus.
He goes after the easy targets, not the challenges. Throw together an argument when half of it is based on being confused on what the target is trying to do, then hoping it sticks.
*sigh* Craziest. Day. Ever.
Hey at least we have the excitement of a role claimer :D
I stopped going after you because I saw from your starting posts the next day you were more serious. I was very stupid to have voted for you Day 1, actually, because I did not believe you to be mafia at all, I thought you were only distracting and possibly allowing mafia to lay low.
Also, it only seems that I am going for easy targets because I vote for the most suspicious target at the time, or at least the most in my eyes(and also possibly all of yours)
Just over 11 hours remaining!
Serious Definition | Definition of Serious at Dictionary.com
you are using the incorrect definition for the second quote Freya. In your quoted post I used was with this definition.
Quote:
Not trifling or jesting: I'm serious: we expect you to complete the assignment on time. Her question was serious enough to deserve a thoughtful response.
Going to bed. Night.
@lom
Never has someone played a game like I have been this time, so it will look odd when it is in process. When all my plans are explained you will understand. Which is bad for the mafia of course, because my goal is them all being dead. I don't have to be alive at the end for it to work, but it is so much easier if I am.
Well qwerty, you're still here right?
Is anyone else here?
I just got back from playing Age of Empires so now I'm here.
I hate when people vote themselves. Hate it. I hated it when qwerty did it and I hate it when Laddy does it.
I hesitated voting for Laddy because I did not want to sacrifice an investigative town role, even a ludicrous one like that. But it looks like that's off the table. I don't want to kill a mason either, but if he is a mason then the mafia will already know who the mason group is by now since he spilled the beans. Only one way to find out really. He's probably mafia anyway so that's one down.
##Vote: Laddy
Del, do we really want to lynch him though or shouldn't we wait for the end of the day?
Well, I'm going to bed now. See yous all tomorrow.
I hate when this game gets dragged out in the interest of 'using all the time we have'. Plus I'm going to sleep soon too so I want to get my vote in there. I've never not voted in a round of this game and I won't start now!
As per usual I have a moderately long winded post, as I'm catching up on a fair bit here...
Ok, I'm back from holidays now, and I should hopefully be a whole lot more active! Mind you, none of you will be online while I'm active, as Lancealot is dead and Jiro is replaced! It's obvious that someone doesn't like us Aussies :(
It's a conspiracy!
Alright, now that I'm here I'll read through the thread and I'll just make notes on things as I see them, sorry if it's a tad unorganised, but hopefully it'll help people (including myself) see things they didn't see before and maybe even flush out some scum.
Ok, Qwerts not dying from the lynch confused the heck out of me, but now I understand that the Governor, whoever that person is probably saved him.
So the Governor either saved him because he thought qwerts was town, qwerts is the governor himself and was trying to hint that to the town or because the governor thought he was a jester or bomb or something?
I'd guess it's one of those, unless there's some sort of mafia governor and they were working together to try and trick us? Is that even possible? It seems outlandish to me.
Mind you Qwerts indirectly denied being Governor by asking Del if he was the Governor, so there goes the theory of a roleclaim... maybe xD
I actually think that qwerts is being serious there, laying traps and whatnot. He's definitely got something sneaky planned, whether it's good for the town or bad I can't tell. In all honesty it feels like he's laid some traps for mafians to get caught in, but that's just my gut feeling on him.
Ok, not sure why qwerty stood out to me so much there, I guess it's because he was the crazy attention seeking guy Day 1 and then the cool, calm and collected townie who seemed to be leading the charge Day 2. That's just a theory on my sub-conscious though, I don't feel that much suspicion toward him either way...
I'll have a look around at some others now and see what I can find.
Hmm, as I was reading through, I didn't really see Laddy as scum at all, and then people just started putting heat on him and he started cracking. In all seriousness I wouldn't think that makes him mafian, I've seen many innocents and mafians crack under that sort of pressure, so who knows what he really is. We'll probably find out soon enough, as I'm probably the only one on now and it's probably too late for Laddy. Here's hoping you're Mafia!
Tangents ~
That post just reminded me so much of Ace Attourney, you looking for a contradiction in his testimony and all that :D
It's a good idea though... obviously.
Oh man, that made me laugh :D
Sorry for the tangents and whatnot, but I've missed out on so much!
Anyway, there'll be more coming after I've had dinner and a better read through the thread, that way you can all pick apart my posts when I go to bed and you all wake up :mad:
Or not... I'm too tired, I'll see what I can find in the morning :eep:
I just read through the pages of the thread I missed through sleeping. I'm very surprised to see my lunacy hasn't gotten me lynched! Everyone seems to be sure that Laddy is scum but like me it might just be he's very good a digging himself a hole. qwerty's point about leader of mortals picking on easy targets like qwerty, Laddy & I instead of trying to weed out the harder targets to me honestly casts suspicion on leader of mortals.
By trying his best not to act in the least bit suspicious his actions are a lot more suspicious then the way qwerty, Laddy or myself have acting, whether through possible being the jester, a complete inability to defend oneself or just being a possibly misguided townie.
If it wasn't for qwerty's & Boko's suspicions of Laddy however I'd be quite sure leader of mortals was scum. But at the moment its close to impossible to decide between Laddy & LOM for me so no voting just yet!
Oh dear, Laddy. You're just making yourself look worse
By the way, I'm bi-sexual just like Qwertsl, so I can promise you this isn't gay bashing :jess: I guess this is just plain karma for saying I look like a man~
Yeah and I'm heterosexual so this is definitely not gay bashing.
Maybe claiming you're a Mason was alright to save yourself, but also exposing the other Masons wasn't that smart.
Either way, the only way to prove this is to see what you are once you're finally lynched. Unless anybody else is in the role-claiming mood too!
Laddy (6): Goldenboko, sagensyg, qwertysaur, ~*Celes*~, Laddy, Del Murder
~*~Celes~*~ (1): Freya:
Blues Agent (1): Christmas
Chicken Chokers who haven't voted yet:
Timekeeper, Aerith's Knight, ~*Celes*~, Jessweeee, Blues Agent, Shattered Dreamer, leader of mortals.
Two more votes on Laddy for a majority lynch. Day ends soon. Anyone who would like to send me an early night action because they may be away may do so.
Laddy (6): Goldenboko, sagensyg, qwertysaur, ~*Celes*~, Laddy, Del Murder
~*~Celes~*~ (1): Freya:
Blues Agent (1): Christmas
Chicken Chokers who haven't voted yet:
Timekeeper, Aerith's Knight, Jessweeee, Blues Agent, Shattered Dreamer, leader of mortals.
Bishop Bashers, just because.:
~*Celes*~
EDIT: 2 and a half hours left.
what D=
You...you...DISCO DASHER!
YES I SAID IT!
I have a 2 hour appointment at 11 EST, so I miss the conclusion of this day.
Laddy seems like the right kill to me. There are two options of what happens.
A. He is a mason, he's already outed himself and his two partners. However, that gives our doctor (I'm assuming there is one. There is ALWAYS a doctor) a 50-50 shot a stopping the nightkill if the mafia decides to take the route of killing the masons. Either way, come tomorrow we'll have one or two confirmed town. Not killing him can tempt the mafia away from killing a mason to set up Laddy, in which case we could have three live masons, but also no proof they are a mason for the rest of the town, without exposing the cop. Killing Laddy here also improves the chance the cop (also assuming we have one of these. There's typically a cop as well) will find mafia as he'll know not to investigate 2 out of 13 (3 if you include last night's investigation).
B. He flips mafia. We rejoice.
See, I know how to play this game! ;D
So you're TRYING to get yourself lynched?
15 minutes left.
guess not ;\
Day 2 is over. Flavour coming up
Laddy (6): Goldenboko, sagensyg, qwertysaur, ~*Celes*~, Laddy, Del Murder
~*~Celes~*~ (1): Freya:
Blues Agent (1): Christmas
Chicken Chokers who haven't voted yet:
Timekeeper, Aerith's Knight, Jessweeee, Blues Agent, Shattered Dreamer, leader of mortals.
Bishop Bashers, just because.:
~*Celes*~
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Laddy minced up to the gallows, pouting like a Californian soldier. As the rope was fitted round his head, he cursed everybody in EoFF town, and warned them the Mafia would kill them all.
But wait! In the distance ... a messenger appeared! Laddy let out a cry of pure relief, as Del once again took the note and flicked the messenger to Mars. He read it and threw it on the ground.
"Well?" Laddy said.
"Your subscription to Adam Lambert magazine has expired" Del said.
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Laddy screamed
Laddy dived off the platform, but tumbled and broke a nail. Laddy died there and then.
Laddy was a (SPOILER)Mason, played by Laddy.
Night actions please! Once again, you have 12 hours to submit them to me.
(Mini Mafia: Night 2 - Nowhere fast)
Let's not beat around the bush ... Sagensyg had lost it. He was completely bat:bou::bou::bou::bou: insane, and he loved it. Finally, he had created the ultimate machine to reveal who all the Mafia were! Rejoice! He turned it on, power running through his veins as he cackled like the madman we was. Running into the streets, he shouted to the sleeping members that he had finally solved this whole problem. They all came out of their houses, but to their horror, Sagensyg began doing the jitterbug on a bench. The bench ate him.
Sagensyg was a Crazy Inventor, played by Sagensyg.
Crazy inventor? Just like a normal inventor ... but let's just say his creations were not the most useful, and the poor soul had no way of knowing.
Day 3 starts now! 24 hours. 7 votes for a majority lynch.
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P.S: Reports say that before the murder, a boom was heard at Sagensyg's house ...
Well I was wrong about laddy being in the mafia, but he was acting pretty off the wall the more the day progressed.
Now onto my current suspicions, Jessweee♪ and AK are the only two who I can trust with laddy's claim (which still is against the rules to make but he already made it so I'll make use of it). That is two confirmed townies, which is good. Looking more at Boko now then I was yesterday, and also at Celes.
More later, Calculus time. :p
Wow, talk about a stupid mafia, I can't believe they let us live. I mean, it's not like we're easily manipulated.
Alright, when I get back from work let's get this day started.
I can't even begin to explain how frustrating it is to me that Laddy outed his teammates -.o but anyway.
So, we've lost two townies between last night and today, and Lancealot yesterday. That's three gone now out of 15, and none of those were scum. :\ Unfortunate but it's still early enough in the game that if we focus we can get a mafia member this time.
About the boom that was heard in Saglet's place, what could that mean? I'll have to do some research of my own and come back with my ideas.
The boom is useless to discuss. Lets discuss your opinions Celes, who do you think is in the mafia?
Sagensyg was the last person I expected to turn up dead on Day 3 but maybe the mafia felt killing the other 2 masons was pointless given that their advantage was taken away (illegally) by their fallen comrade. But since we don't know whether or not the pro mafia mason was included in this version of mafia I still trust nobody (yes the mini-mafia noob read the rules & every character role).
I don't know whether to suspect the 5 that voted to lynch Laddy, the non-voters (myself of course included I am aware) or those who voted for people other than Laddy ie Freya & Christmas.
The speculation begins:D
so pick out of a hat and try to build a case or prod for questions. :p
Just to let you guys know, I am aware that revealing your Mason buddies is illegal. :)
Well, I told you so :D I said he wasn't acting so scummy. An idiot yes but not scummy.
Finger pointing went straight to laddy before he went pretty much crazy. And the person to make a case about him pulling at straws early on for a not-so-good player, Celes. Sorry baby cakes but you's lookin' mighty guilty :aimkiss: Going with the same vote I had yesterday.
##Vote: ~*~Celes~*~
Anybody else you have thoughts on Freya?
No, that's called worming out of saying anything, and is used by scum to slide through without contributing anything and kill the town at night. You have to be able to say something based on what happened during days 1 and 2, a lot has already happened. I am trying to get others to participate, this is a team game and one person can't make all the decisions on who to lynch.
Well, I've looked over what I know, read everything in the thread now, and I still have 2 mayor suspects.
Boko: He's been behaving exactly like he always does when he's scum, which concludes yet another mafia game where he is mafia. I'm not ready to make a case against him, but I will start gathering evidence.
Qwerty: No useful information, does ask others a lot, but still hasn't recovered from the extremely scummy behavior in the first day. I believe he was meant to be a sacrifice for the other mafia members in the original plan.
I'd like to hear Del's opinions please.
Making cases takes time. You can't expect someone to pull a case out of their hat like that. trying to draw people out, without presenting a case, which is basically what you are doing, is far scummier than she is acting.
Why don't you try to find something, if you have so much time. I know I will be searching things on you.
Pfft. Just got back from school and this is first thing I saw. According to you 90% of my games I'm mafia, assuming I have even the tiniest similarity in mannerism you can say that. I'm tired of the all this metagaming, it's not going to get us anywhere. I'm posting loud and obnoxious just like I do when I'm a Vanilla Town, Saulus, Mafia Good, or whatever else I happen to be. AK I know you (and everyone else) love to hate me but play with your brain not with your heart :love:
I'm placing my vote on Freya/Lekana.
##vote: Freya
I find it very odd that she's focused on Celes, every, single, day. Seems like a way to just skate through the game to me. Also, she has yet to vote with the town. Not saying that making mistakes and voting with majority makes you town, but avoiding being involved with any lynch is a scum tactic. (see [M] Azar Mafia IV?).
Search away AK, see if the cop would like to back you up. I would be surprised if s/he has not yet investigated me after my actions on day 1.
Oh, I am. And I wouldn't even mention it if your normal behavior wasn't scummy to begin with.
Like this, without even explaining yourself for killing a mason with extremely little reasoning in the beginning (later on it was because laddy was a moron), you immediately go to the next person who isn't even behaving like scum. If I were to pick scum now, It would be you, Boko and possibly Celes. As I know that Shattered dreamer is a noob and not much else, sagensyg is dead and you all voted for him besides having everyone else saying you shouldnt.
Im kinda stuck right now. Shattered Dreamer is still #1 on my suspicion list though...
And before anyone uses it as a very stupid point, I did not unvote Laddy to free myself of suspicion, I did it to prevent a speedy lynch, and I forgot to come back in time to revote him.
Also, why does it seem that Shattered Dreamer is trying to use qwerty's strategy to clear himself?
Also, a cop always investigates themselves on day 1. So the cop couldn't have investigated you, at least not on day 1.
Yeah, saying I think the cop would have said that I was found guilty yesterday is a scummy move, and so is saying you are a cop when you are not. something seems off with that statement :|
So you wouldn't check to see if you were insane/paranoid/naive or not scott?
I don't know what mafia games you've been watching, but I rarely see a Cop investigate him/herself first at EoFF. Even so, theorizing who the cop has investigated gets us no where. When s/he thinks it's time to tell, s/he will.
What is that even suppose to mean?
What are qualifications for what is scum and what isn't scum? I really don't see why you think I'm scummy other than helping the Laddy lynch, which he sort've help sow himself. Regardless, you and Jess are virtually confirmed town so I shall focus on you no longer, especially because your allegations of such small merit.
So, now I'm going to list a huge ass post of what I think of everyone thus far.
From my perspective:
1. Timekeeper
2. Christmas
3. Aerith's Knight <- Mason
4. leader of mortals
5. ~*Celes*~
6. Goldenboko <- Me
7. Del Murder
8. Sagensyg- Crazy Inventor - Jitterbug Juiced Night 2
9. qwertysaur
10. Laddy- Mason - Lynched Day 2
11. Jessweeee <- Mason
12. Blues Agent
13. Sir lancealot- Commuter - Eaten Night 1
14. Shattered Dreamer
15. Freya
Leaving possible suspects as...
1. Timekeeper
2. Christmas
4. leader of mortals
5. ~*Celes*~
7. Del Murder
9. qwertysaur
12. Blues Agent
14. Shattered Dreamer
15. Freya
From this I divide it as:
Way too quiet people.
1. Timekeeper
2. Christmas
12. Blues Agent
Voting for any one of these can be viable. Quiet mafia tries to slip through the game without getting caught. It's also a shot in the dark, which I dislike doing.
Everyone else.
4. leader of mortals <- Shattered Dreamer? Really? He's only rung me as someone who doesn't know how to play.
5. ~*Celes*~ <- I need to read through your posts again.
7. Del Murder <- Seems a bit quiet, not enough to get on the top list though, making him #2 on my suspicion list.
9. qwertysaur <- Really, really, really loud this game, triple my posts. Don't know what to make of it gut says not guilty.
14. Shattered Dreamer <- I believe to be a n00b, not mafia.
15. Freya <- Celes, Celes, Celes, Celes, Celes, Celes. I know you're more outspoken then that which is why my vote is on you.
I'll read through everything to make a more coherent analysis of people I think are mafia. But right now, AP Latin calls me!
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I don't know what mafia games you've been watching, but I rarely see a Cop investigate him/herself first at EoFF. Even so, theorizing who the cop has investigated gets us no where. When he thinks it's time to tell, he will.
I thought EoFF gave you more time to spell check.Quote:
I don't know what mafia games you've been watching, but I rarely see a Cop investigate him/herself first at EoFF. Even so, theorizing who the cop has investigated gets us no where. When s/he thinks it's time to tell, s/he will.
I love that I'm still your number one suspect leader of mortals:D
qwerty & AK if neither or you is mafia then arguing amongst yourself is a counter productive use of towns time to weed out scum. We've lost 3 town already! Shouldn't we be spending time trying to weed out scum your argument is way distracting!
post 134 in this thread actually :quina:
some of those posts are spam Boko, like this one :bigsmile:
Quote:
Originally Posted by GB
Isn't that metagaming too? I don't post a lot like normal so i'm scum? Could it be cause it's been months since the last game? So people change. Stop doing the "well you use to do" whatever bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:. I'm tired of it and you SAID you were tired of it but you're doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gb
Your a noob & your a noob that I'm beginning to tire of that!
Christmas scares me in this game. She's just being Christmas and it's not possible to tell anything at all from her actions that way :(
Lynching me will prove you guys nothing. There is absolutely no reason why I should be targeted. In fact, I will decide to take this chance to finally select someone who I believe everyone should focus their entire attention today.
And that person is qwerty! Do I think qwerty will be saved from the governor a second time? I totally doubt it. If he could be saved again, we should vote him to see if he'll get bailed out again.
##Vote: qwertysaur
Agreed. Christmas would make the ultimate mafioso.
...is it out of my jurisdiction to ask why qwerty is mafia?
Not saying your wrong, but I have no read on qwerty this game. I'm going to go back and read his posts... all 5 billion of them D:
Apology accepted:D
Yeah I appreciate that:D
What everyone need to realize is that I too was given a role to play when this started & according to the rules of my role I've played things rather well:tongue: Read into that whatever way you like.
Governor - MafiaWiki
It says that usually a Governor can't save the same person twice or at least now twice in a row. So since I was saved last time I probably won't be saved again. :(
Oh, you were saved on day one, Qwerty. I trust you could be saved again since you got free on day 2. So it's day 3, and if there is really a governor. Would you trust that governor to save you again?
A governor cannot stop a lynch if he stopped one a day earlier, but the Governor still cannot save the same person twice in a row.
Damn, that means I can really die now doesn't it :(
Oh... >_> well I'm still new. :( Thanks for making me look bad.
Don't worry, seems like quite a few people didn't know. ;)
Oh, so our governor can stop more than one lynch, then? That's good to know.
I'm not panicking though :|
Panic would come with a roleclaim and POSSIBLY CAPSLOCK. :p
yes, because I wasn't fooled when you were "saved". Just how exactly would you know that you would be saved in the first place?
Because of my role. ;)
It is one of the ones I listed day one in that really long list of claims.
I've re-edited my "list" of suspects, and here's what I think.
Christmas: a new player. But there's one post she made that I question:
Other than that,
Lekana/Freya: Suspicious. Not due to butthurt because of her campaigning against me but the fact that not only is she NOT paying attention to anyone else (except for arguing with qwert all the time), but she kept insisting Laddy wasn't scum. If she's mafia, she knows who her teammates are and thus, will know who to vote for and who not to vote for. She's not going to vote for town because then she'll be under the microscope.
Other than that I have some more reading to do. I don't have much of a gut feeling this game for anyone :(
Here's what I think: it doesn't make sense for qwerty to kill himself day one if he's mafia. If there's a governor in play, qwerty couldn't possibly have known the governor would save him. It could be role specific. Like "you're allowed to save yourself from being lynched once." I don't believe such a role would exist on the mafia side. It would be far too strong (ex: if it came down to two townies and that role the mafia wouldn't be able to lose).
For that reason, I don't believe qwerty is mafia.
As we have already seen pointed out in the day one, Celes makes an accusation against sir lancealot. Saying he's suspicious and the like, You can see this from this post right above me. Then...
Then we have this, she points out sir lancealot and then votes for sagensyg. With no rhyme or reason. Just does. When del asks her about it...
Yeah del, that was a pretty dumb reason wasn't it. If at the time she made the case against lancealot the highest person with votes was qwerty, and when she voted saggy which was right after the vote count with scott having the lead, she votes saggy. Then goes back and mentions sir lancealot again...
But her vote was on saggy, she didn't give a reason why it was she just put it there. Then del asks and she says "well i didn't want to bandwagon. But who was there to bandwagon on really? Lancealot didn't even have a vote.
THIS IS JUST DAY ONE.
Day two as I posted
I was being lazy. I could have pulled everything out like I did just now but it takes a lot of work and I really don't feel up to it.
I digress, So I make this post against her. then later vote for her and she doesn't even give a peep about it? Hell she voted saggy after he voted her. She didn't even mention it. Instead she put a case together for laddy. Who while acting erratically he wasn't up to the omg crazy until after he had the finger pointed at him again.
the way she picked apart his posts was, well as I said later int he thread I didn't think it earned merit for anything scummy. He made a good point about if qwerty was the jester the way he was acting was best to get it out of the way instead of distracting the town. but that was scummy too.
She says
So not changing your vote is a scummy thing, but then changing your vote is a scummy thing too. o.O you lot confuse me sometimes.Quote:
He says this, indicating that maybe he doesn't really believe Qwert is the jester after all, but doesn't change his vote. Like he knows something we don't. Like a scum that wants a townie to die.
Laddy wasn't the one to really come up with too many new ideas anyway. but he was right too. Voting for a reason that was dumb and well obviously wrong would put you down as labeled mafia too. yes he should of incorporated things too into his vote but it's not completely horrible that he agreed with a well thought out reasoning. Like qwerty going insane.Quote:
Actually Laddy, having new ideas incorporated is better because it gives us more to think about that we may have missed/may not have thought of originally. Recycling is basically the same as "yeah, what HE said!", which can be taken as bandwagonning, in a way.Quote:
Besides, using your "recycled ideas" argument is pointless, if that were the case, what anyone else said would be pointless and someone's logical skills would be disregarded, and voting for reasons someone else made clear is a hell lot better than voting for a dumb reason you made up yourself. It looks scummy too.
It wasn't until after she made a case for laddy that she adressed me.
hell she knows that anyone would do that, mafia or town. Actually more often than not it's the loud ones that ARE mafia.Quote:
@Lekana: all I did was provide quotes and my theory as to what Laddy was talking about/why he did what he did. Just like any good townie should do.
She had everything she had to say but then vaguely talks about his antics else where when he was making a whole heaping mess of stuff she could have addressed. by this point laddy had made himself a pretty lil mess. Anyone who really comes in would see that and most likely vote for him. Easy target is what it seemed like to me. Which the first two would be gobo and celes really to point a finger and our lovely qwerty as well.Quote:
and because I already said all I had to say earlier that hasn't already been said. This roleclaim of yours...on one hand i wouldn't be surprised to find out that it really is a legit role that Paul and DD came up with xD On the other hand...I just don't know if I believe it or not. I need to think about it a little more before I can decide how I feel about it.
Day 3
Saggy dies, poor saglet :( anywho, first to vote celes, saggy. That could just be coincidence though.
My vote for the next day against her.
Or the fact that I knew he wasn't acting overly scummy.Quote:
Lekana/Freya: Suspicious. Not due to butthurt because of her campaigning against me but the fact that not only is she NOT paying attention to anyone else (except for arguing with qwert all the time), but she kept insisting Laddy wasn't scum. If she's mafia, she knows who her teammates are and thus, will know who to vote for and who not to vote for. She's not going to vote for town because then she'll be under the microscope.
All in all it just seems to me that celes has been leading us around to hit the easy players. Plus day one really set a flare off for me to think she's guilty. And of course those who have been agreeing with her or her agreeing with them has been gobo and qwerty but i'm far too lazy right now to go a pick apart quotes and :bou::bou::bou::bou: about them too.
Anywho, I've been TRYING to be lazy this game. I hate spending my time going through all these posts when these things are so bleedingly obvious that she's guilty. IS THAT IN DEPTH ENOUGH FOR YOU?! smurf. Can't I be lazy like the rest of you lot?
There are most likely typos but again too lazy to fix things.
Give me an hour of my day back plz kthx
So you're saying because qwerty acted like an idiot on day 1 he should automatically be ignored as potential mafia?
Governor himself would not know who the mafia is, he would just know that qwerty acted like an idiot and save him because of it.
This hardly seems an argument. Plus, this isn't why I suspect him, day 1 hardly factors in at all.
Btw, until further notice, the mafia is in my eyes Boko, Qwerty and Celes, here is partly why (NOTICE: NOT ALL, GATHERING EVIDENCE, TAKES TIME)
See how they all not vote for Qwerty, except qwerty himself, knowing he's a goner, it's a desperate attempt, laddy did so too, and like Del, I don't like it. Boko covers himself by voting for Celes, who'll never get lynched. Nice credibility, no?
And suddenly they all agree on something. In the first day they seemed awfully reluctant to get on the vote train, but now it's okay. I know it isn't hard evidence, that's why I said I'm gathering more.
Adding to above post, also because they all are going after Freya, now that she voted for Celes, not to mention they are covering for each other like crazy.
I don't even know who to vote for, with three options. But I think, seeing as the mafia are the most active, I'll vote for the one most likely to go through, most impact, as you could say. Although I'd prefer Boko,
##vote: Celes
I'm heading for bed soon (Add 7 hours to your time), so any responses I might not read, neither will any sudden changes or confirmed roleclaims.
I said that Lancealot was acting oddly, and that Qwert was acting oddly, but I voted for Saglet. I didn't vote for Lance or Qwert because I didn't have enough crucial evidence to really say they were scum, just that particular things they said were odd to me. I voted for Saglet because I didn't want to place a vote on someone that everyone else was harassing (Qwert) unless:
a) there was REALLY good evidence saying that he was mafia,
b) I had a serious enough scum vibe from him that I wouldn't be unsure of my decision.
I knew that Lancealot was just playing in his usual style, which has always looked odd to me in every friggen game we play together (except Retro Games because we were mafia teammates together). I did it in Phoenix Wright a lot and he turned out to be town, and I was town as well, and I was completely ragged on for my campaign against him then, just like I'm being ragged on now.
I haven't been addressing the fact that I'm being voted for because I'm trying to be calm and not get all frustrated because I know part of the reason you're ragging so hard on me, Kaycee, is because you know how into this I get :p
Typing in bold text to get your point across will not actually help you at all.
^Bolded because I'm really frustrated now.
Angry Kari either posts in caps or bold :D
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some mafian scum to hunt and lynch. If you wish to join me, instead of meta-gaming, that'd be wonderful.
You should have posted in bold AND ALL CAPS to show how TRULY ANGRY YOU ARE.
The :p at the end ruined your angry look to be honest. :p
Kaycee: And just because a couple of players tend to agree a lot with each other doesn't mean they're a team of mafia scum. It just means that reasonable points have been brought to attention that can be agreed on. I don't see you after Del for voting for Laddy, in fact, I don't see you going after anyone except me. Is your hunch really THAT strong on me that you're not even looking at anyone else?
Well, for Celes, I'm not sure. She doesn't have a good vibe on her to me, but I don't really see any of the evidence against her to be too strong. I looked through all of her posts and I didn't really see too much...
Now Im not saying the evidence against her has no merit, it seems to be true, but it doesnt really seem to powerful. It almost seems like you are trying as hard as you can to pick her apart, and you just happen to fall into those reasons.
##Vote: leader of mortals
:shoot: I still think you are in the mafia. for reasons I already stated.
When did I ever go after Freya? The only time I mentioned something about her without her mentioning me is when I posted my thoughts during day 2, which listed her with Jessweeee as moderate for adamantly defending Laddy.
AK, your case against me will fail because it is inherently wrong. I have acted day one only because my role allowed me to do so. I welcome questions from people, I'm not trying to hide anything beyond my exact role, only because my role is best when unknown. What I find disheartening is you have given me a guilty verdict because I was wrong yesterday, and you would rather kill me than work alongside me to rat out the real mafia.
I agree with my Mason buddy. Sorry, Celes :(
(Gant & Feenie soopar best friends for life)
##Vote: Celes
You're roleclaiming now? Or is this one of those vage roles that basically makes sure that every stupid action you take is just roleplaying? Dude, you're not a gay faith healer, get over it.
And why wouldn't I want to rat out the real mafia? I thought I was already doing so..
I gave you a guilty verdict because you three act like scum and cover for each other. Covering is what masons and mafia do, and seeing as the masons are spoken for..
Because I am not in the mafia, plain and simple. I do not wish to roleclaim until it is necessary, and I am willing to answer any question that does not amount to "what is your role" to prove it. I don't fear your questions because I don't have anything to hide from the town.
So ask away!
if you don't want to roleclaim, then don't mention anything about your role. Saying: "I did all that because of my role", and then not roleclaim is just not smart, and you should know that by now.
You just can't use that as an excuse. So think of another one. Or roleclaim, your choice. You can't really say it's a plot of the mafia, but then again, I can't guarantee I'll believe it.
No hard feelings, Mason team. I've presented the best defense for myself that I can think to. Simply saying that I'm not mafia isn't enough, and it seems that everything I have to say is being ignored/isn't good enough for you guys, so there's really nothing else I can do.
Firstly I'd like to say I'm not totally convince that Celes is mafia. I have a feeling she is the next victim of the "lynch mob" just like qwerty & Laddy, lynched purely on suspicion without concrete evidence. Someone amongst that voting bandwagon is scum I'm sure of it but without proper evidence. Freya I read your post & I'm just not convinced.
Another thing I'm weary of is the seemingly inactive players. Not posting often would to me seem like a sound mafia strategy as it would help weed out the stronger townie players. Christmas is my prime suspect in that regard. Her antics are also the perfect cover for a mafioso!
I'm suspicious of leader of mortals for much the same reasons as qwerty & not for the suspicions he placed on me in Day 2 where I'll admit I lost the plot for a while. He tends to pick on seemingly weaker players & randomly change his mind somewhat.
I'm also flirting with the possibility of one of the masons being a pro mafia mason which given what we've seen in this game so far its not outside the realm of possibility that DD & Psy included such a role.
Right will one of the above mentioned people please give me a decent reason to vote you for a lynching:tongue:
##Vote: Christmas
There's my vote for today and I already said why.
No hard feelings Mas-Mas, I hope :(
Governor.
I invite anybody to challenge this. I can also prove it if the lynch is anybody but myself, because the last person I saved from a lynch was myself, and I can't save the same person twice in a row. I would rather lynch scum than prove my innocence though :p
I acted like I did for two reasons. To break the day 1 ice and get people talking about something, and fishing for mafia using an easy target day 1 lynch. I asked if a couple people were the Gov and their opinions about it because I wanted to see if they would accidentally slip up and take the credit, allowing me to expose them that way. I still have a bunch more traps set, but this was my main one.
Happy AK? or do you want me to get :quina: to have happy fun time with you :kaoclove:
I wish more people thought like you, SD.
Qwert: don't you know that you're supposed to take day 1 srs otherwise you look bad? :p Look at all the :bou::bou::bou::bou: i'm gettin for not taking day 1 srs.
Well maybe I need to take day 1 srs from now on too :colbert:
That is obviously not the case this game :p
I don't think that means she's scummy. because she said she submits HER actions to DD. Otherwise it'd be their actions. She wouldn't be the one submitting, they would have come to a decision in the mafia forum. Not so much submitting for mafia.
With all the people talking and making noise and you go for christmas because of... because she's a new player and said she has a night action?
Do you have anymore for a reason to vote for her?
No, but other than the fact that you keep digging at me and only me and no one else, I don't have enough on you or anyone else to justify a vote, so I went for the one that I pointed out earlier because if I don't go for people I point out then I look suspicious, apparently.
or, just accept that I can and did. The proof is that I am still alive after all.
Hey guys, I will make my analysis post soon. But do every Mafia games involve accussing people and stuff? I really feel bad for doing so. :(
I don't see anyone else trying to say "No, qwert isn't the governor, because I AM!", so I don't see much of a reason to question it.
and yes Christmas, that's part of the game is to read everyone's posts and figure out who seems the scummiest to you.
Sorry I haven't been playing much, I've been pretty busy and have had bad luck with the timing of day/night phases. Looks like there's a lot to go through too.
qwerty's role claim: I believe it. In fact, I think it was fairly obvious. Why else would he stick his neck out there on day 1? He's a vet, he knows well enough what happens to people who act like nuts on day 1. Then he votes for himself, pretty early on. If you look back, his vote on himself was the deciding vote for some time. Yet he never changed it. Not something a mafia would do. It's not the only possibility, this game is full of possibilities, but I think it's the most likely one.
Jess & AK. I'll believe Laddy for the moment that these are the masons. Jess has basically claimed mason and AK I don't get a scum vibe from, though I think he is wrong about qwerty. My guess is that the mafia expected one or both of them to have protection so took a shot at someone else. I don't remember Sage saying much except suspecting I'm the governor, so I'm not sure why he was picked.
Right now I suspect Goldenboko and Celes, but most of that is based on things that happened in the first two days. I need to catch up on today's happenings besides the last few posts before I post in-depth thoughts.
I have decided to take on qwerty's challenge.
##Unvote: qwertysaur
##Vote: Blues Agent
I'm testing his claim.
Well right now celes is being lynched, not you Agent. Again I would rather lynch a mafia member than not lynch anyone, so I leave the decision as such. Allow me to verify my claim or see what Celes flips. Stopping the lynch won't end the day might I add, we can start pressing Leader of Mortals like the scum he is.
Again I apologize for always being an inactive player every time I play, but I can't help my location. Luckily I have the day off today, so hopefully I can engage in discussion for once :D
I'll have a look through, see what stands out to me.
OK...
Why are we ignoring the boom? It feels like DD is trying to hint something to us here, so why keep it quiet?
Obviously we can't spend our whole time trying to solve that puzzle, but it could be worth while to keep in mind.
I'm confused, who was targeting you?
I'll come back later at some point, my 14 year old brother is currently missing and not answering his phone...and I think the police just called my mom, so I can't really focus right now. Sorry guys :\
Ok qwerty, press me. Press on me all night long if you have to:confused:
Really, what are your questions for me?
From memory the two I remember are Easy Targets and Voting for you Day 1, so I will address those.
Easy Targets: As I have said, I normally vote for the people that are most scummy to me, and these people just so happen to be the "Easy Targets" that you speak of.
Voting for you: As I have also said, I believed you to be a jester at that time, and I thought that you would be very distracting to the townies day after day. I'll admit, much of my motivation was probably also bandwagoning, but it was also to get you out of the way so we could focus on the mafia after that. If you wish to question a post I believe I made at the start of the second day, where I said something along the lines of "... I'm watching you though Qwerty", it was to intimidate you into being more serious, because at that time I wasn't sure if you were a governor yourself, a jester saved by a governor to prevent you from winning, or an idiot that the governor didn't want killed for being stupid.
Any more questions for me?