Oh, I was only voting for her because she kept insisting we have to vote. It's simply my way to protest her way of thinking.
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Oh, I was only voting for her because she kept insisting we have to vote. It's simply my way to protest her way of thinking.
Now that I have your attention Rydia :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
One vote doesn't get my attention; I don't fear the town as much as I do the mafia. Mafia have a guaranteed townie hit every day now that the Doctor is gone, but we're wishy-washy and ineffectual so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
Of course, the same would not be true of a mafia, only the town are a threat to them.
Do you really think what Cid said was a roleclaim? It just seems way too subtle a call to then make such drawn out conclusions from.
TALLY
Blank (2) - Yuffie,Noctis, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) -Leila, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia
Rydia (1) - Leon
I think I got it all current now. :jess:
Relm's masterpieces still fill a void of despair inside me. :(
Looks like your missing the vote on me from Noctis, Refia.
You missed Noctis vote for Faris. And my masterpieces outshine the likes of van gogh, monet and dali and deep down you know it. :colbert:
TALLYQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Blank (2) - Yuffie,Noctis, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) -Leila, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia
Rydia (1) - Leon
Faris (1) - Noctis
Sorry I'm terrible at this. :(
Your an honest lass though aren't you? ;)
I'm home (finally) Let's see. Yuffie hold your horses, people aren't throwing in their votes because it's a pain in the butt to unvote. Also, need reasons and stuff. Then again, if no one votes, no one will talk about anything, and with this being only day two... well, we don't exactly have much to go on do we.
That said
##VOTE: Yuffie
I did as you requested.
I still don't know who to go after, so I'll keep my vote on Penelo. It seems as good a vote as any outside the people who popped in once or twice then vanished.
Do we? Explain what besides a town vote can threaten the mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisOh now we all know that's not true. So why would you want us to think that? :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
That's not snark, I seriously do not know.
Not necessarily, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. As I said, I'm ready and willing to change my vote given anything more substantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
pretty sure he's referring to a Cult, Rydia. which, given the size of the game and the mindsmurf nature of it, is a geniune possibilty.
Geez, slow down xD
Relm love your picture. xD And Yuffie, committing now shows you're not plotting with mafia? How the heck does that work?? At this point in the day no one is committing except maybe you. =P (meanyshorts)
Refia aww you think I'm funny :love: You are around all the time and posting a lot of tallies though, what about thoughts on any of the accusations?
Rydia, if Cid's post was a subtle roleclaim and there's a chance he's a cop, why draw attention to it with the doctor dead? You said there's not much to go on. If you're not sure, shouldn't you have waited to see what Cid said today?
Because I do not at this juncture believe him to be the cop, but it points to the possibility of his being mafia--if indeed it was a roleclaim.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Blank
Now: I've re-read Day 1 again in the "what would I do if I were mafia" mindset looking for reasons why they would go after Laguna. I've found remarkably little, except this:
So long shot theory: The mafia gunned him down because they don't want him to convince us not to vote for inactives?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LagunaNot really. Sure you never know what the person is until the flip, but at least by voting for people with posts you can make an educated guess. Voting for someone who has presented no evidence is by definition an uneducated guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quistis
Pretty much everything Laguna said on day one besides this was fairly frivolous and in no way a threat to the mafia.
Alternate theory: We know that the mafia are aware of each other, and therefore the townies. What other information might they be privy to?
1) They could know who is playing each role -- this would be a reason to put a hit on Laguna, because they knew he was Del Murder and therefore an experienced player. The mafiosos, therefore, would have advance knowledge on Day 1 that Laguna was a deader.
2) They know who has key roles, and went after the Doctor to prevent him from messing with their hits.
If supposition 2) is true, we're well and truly smurfed, so let us apply the Fistoulari principle: If you need something to be true, assume it is. We must assume that they do not know who the townie key roles are and that leaves supposition 1) as the only logical explanation.
To most of us, this is more or less essentially useless information, but there may be a second Doctor or previously unseen key roles amongst the townies. With that in mind, I address the following statement to the holders of said key roles: Try to figure out who is played by whom as quickly as possible, and use whatever capabilities you have to block the mafia from knocking out experienced players.
What?!?! Laguna is dead?!?! You have some explaining to do now, don't you, Serah! You think I'm going to sit idly by when the doctor comes up dead after you received a special investigative report!?!?! I was willing to blow myself up to protect the world from Shinra, and I'm willing to risk my life on the line to expose you! What have you to say for yourself, Mafia scum!!!
##Vote: Serah
What I've noticed:
Rydia's claims: Pretty much grasping for straws. Some random Cop call that doesn't make sense, then doing the "BUT THAT'S WHAT MAFIA WOULD WANT US TO THINK" which just never makes any sense.
Yesterdays voting from my perspective:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Penelo, Setzer, Leila
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Laguna
So I'd suspect either Blank or Wakka is mafia if Galuf is innocent or if Galuf is mafia I'd expect them both to be town. From Sazh's death, I draw very little. It's possible they piled on to make a death occur, it's possible they didn't. Without knowing more about Quina or Galuf it's tough to tell.
Something about the Laguna kill sits oddly with me In such a large game I would've expected 2 things. More than one killing role and for the doctor to protect himself early on. Honestly I don't know what conclusions to draw for last night's turn of events. I'd love to hear what Noctis thinks about it. Callin' you out dawg :cool: Why? You've said a lot. Especially this...
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Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
Why so buddy with Kain? Fill me in what you know.
Explain. Why would you think voting in the large piles can't be scum?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] YuffieNot biting.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
The only people I would consider less likely to be scum are the ones voted on: Sazh (dead), Quina, Galuf.
For now.
##vote: Rydia
Your assertions make no sense. Mafia is not imparted with either of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaBecause I do not at this juncture believe him to be the cop, but it points to the possibility of his being mafia--if indeed it was a roleclaim.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Blank
Now: I've re-read Day 1 again in the "what would I do if I were mafia" mindset looking for reasons why they would go after Laguna. I've found remarkably little, except this:
So long shot theory: The mafia gunned him down because they don't want him to convince us not to vote for inactives?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LagunaNot really. Sure you never know what the person is until the flip, but at least by voting for people with posts you can make an educated guess. Voting for someone who has presented no evidence is by definition an uneducated guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quistis
Pretty much everything Laguna said on day one besides this was fairly frivolous and in no way a threat to the mafia.
Alternate theory: We know that the mafia are aware of each other, and therefore the townies. What other information might they be privy to?
1) They could know who is playing each role -- this would be a reason to put a hit on Laguna, because they knew he was Del Murder and therefore an experienced player. The mafiosos, therefore, would have advance knowledge on Day 1 that Laguna was a deader.
2) They know who has key roles, and went after the Doctor to prevent him from messing with their hits.
If supposition 2) is true, we're well and truly smurfed, so let us apply the Fistoulari principle: If you need something to be true, assume it is. We must assume that they do not know who the townie key roles are and that leaves supposition 1) as the only logical explanation.
To most of us, this is more or less essentially useless information, but there may be a second Doctor or previously unseen key roles amongst the townies. With that in mind, I address the following statement to the holders of said key roles: Try to figure out who is played by whom as quickly as possible, and use whatever capabilities you have to block the mafia from knocking out experienced players.
Hi. I'm Serah. Nice to meet you. Now what the smurf are you talking about? :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
In what way is Serah responsible for Laguna's death? She voted for Galuf, and vote-hopped to avoid being in on the killing vote. That's a townie strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
As I've said, no, it's not much to go on, but it's all I've got at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
Point: Why didn't Laguna protect himself? What did he know that we don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
At this point, I think Wedge's attempt to throw suspicion on Serah is more suspicious than Cid's maybe-roleclaim.
##Unvote: Cid
##Vote: Wedge
Don't play innocent with me, you better come with a better excuse than "I don't know what you're talking about." I sent you a report and now the subject of that report is dead.
Speak english please? :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
I'm OK with this, you want to lynch me, that's fine, but the moment I flip everyone will know I'm right and when they do they will go after those who voted against me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Rydia, no offense, but the idea that the mafia knows who we are is stupid, and the idea that they know who has the good roles is beyond stupid. Either one of those would make the game so broke it wouldn't even be fun.
Nor were they intended to identify a specific Mafioso. At what point did I point a finger in that post? It was a brainstorming post, no more, no less. It was intended to be useful to those with key roles who are uncertain of how to use them, not to influence a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
Voting is not our only weapon. Logic is powerful in its own right. Anything to make people think outside the box.
Fine, you want me to spell it out for you, I can do that. I have the ability to investigate one person each night but I can't receive the report directly I have to choose someone else to receive that report. I investigated Laguna and chose you to receive it, and now he's dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] SerahSpeak english please? :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
We're not allowed to use mognet messaging or any method of communicating with each other outside this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
The Mafia, however, are allowed and required to communicate outside of this thread. If you "sent someone a report" that we didn't all see, you must therefore be mafia.
I didn't sent the message, I did an investigation and chose Serah to receive the investigation.
Sounds like we have someone who can switch actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
A bus driver or something.
I don't know what Wedge's game is - I didn't receive a report, so he is lying, but it would make no sense for mafia to make a fake claim like that.
That still mean somebody got the report though. Either that or you are BIG PHAT PHONY.
wait... wedge. I meant a big FAT phony, sorry.
If this is true, you've just ensured that the Mafia will come after you tonight as a known townie key role. If you're not mafia, you're banking on a second Doctor, who may not exist. That's a fool's gambit, since you'd be the prime suspect for Townies on Day 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
Well things have certainly esculated at this point, wouldn't you think?
Rydia, I think he meant to say that he's requested Stiltzy to send a memo for you as that report of his investigation on our dead Doctor. If he's telling the truth, you should have this "report" that he speaks of.
...oh, it was Serah that received that report? My bad! Sorry Rydia!
Maybe it was a bus driver changing things up, or maybe Serah received an investigation that told her that Laguna was the Doctor and she had him killed. I don't know anything about a bus driver, but I do know about my own role and about who I chose to investigate and who I chose to receive the results of that investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaSounds like we have someone who can switch actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
A bus driver or something.
So here's something I thought of. Shouldn't the doctor protect themselves night 1? So does that mean the mafia have someone who can ignore protection? if so I'm scared at that thought, someone hold me. :(
Theoretically I would not have received the report til morning correct?
Then there are three options available.
1. You and Serah are telling the truth. This means we have a bus driver or our mod smurfed up.
2. Serah is lying. This means she is mafia and something else that just slipped my mind, I'll post it when I remember what it was.
3. You are a big fat phony, and as there is no jester, are trying to get rid of Serah for some reason. Most likely mafia.
Oh my god. xD this is brilliant.Even if we assume that Wedge is telling the truth, as far as I know whoever got the report wouldn't have gotten it until day 2 started anyway so how could they be implicated in the murder of Murder? (ha, ha, ha!) So despite knowing that why were you so adamant about steaming in and implicating Serah for the death of Laguna? I wonder why someone could be so desperate to pin the death of a townie on someone. :holmes:
Only a nincampoop like Wedge could so much be revealed within minutes! Thank you so much for enlightening us! We really do appreciate that your actions have told us so much more than hours of getting people to vote!
I don't consider my role key, the only thing it did was expose the Doctor. I am more than happy to play the fool if it brings down the Mafia.
We got things to work with. Yay!
Well just some initial thoughts, Serah strikes me as not scummy. I'm not quite sure why, but I'm not getting any bad vibes off her.
I'm not quite sure what to think of Wedge, but I'm thinking he's not scum either, it just seems strange such a jolly fellow would be scum, not to mention he role dropped pretty fast, which seems to be a sure fire to get the rope around these parts.
Whaaaaattttttt.:kakapo:
I'm not getting a lying vibe from Wedge. It's all just too crazy. If he just wanted to kamikaze to get Serah then he would have picked a better roleclaim. We really know nothing new except Wedge's roleclaim.
What IS that smiley...
Me and Wedge must be innocent. I know that I am innocent and it makes no sense for him to make that claim if he was mafia *nod*
Good gods.
Rydia, you almost all of your ideas are nonsense.
Does anybody understand the idea behind brainstorming? At all?
Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.
Wait, is Tifa Playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Boy, that escalated quickly.
Let me check the game thread, I'll be back in a few with some input.
Tifa is hot, not sexy. :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaWait, is Tifa Playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Well I know Fran isn't playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RefiaTifa is hot, not sexy. :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaWait, is Tifa Playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Why would you want to vote for Rikku?
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Well, that answers that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Well this is going nowhere fast. Gonna go play some vidya, bbs.
I...I'm lost, here.
That's helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Brainstorming is generation of ideas. Yes you're making ideas, but ones that don't make sense and aren't helpful. Everyone agrees that there is little to go on Day 1. Saying that doesn't make you a cop or mafia for that matter. Look at the important things, votes, and things we've learned from deaths. Well and now our singular roleclaim.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Well, that answers that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Well I'm going to go to sleep, so I'll switch my vote.
##Unvote: Panelo
##Vote: Wakka
Only because he doesn't understand the beauty of my Rydia. :love:
Wut. If Rydia is number 2, then who is number 1?
PS, got bored, came back.
Wakka if you are truly bored, why don't you read through and give thoughts about everything said so far! There's been a lot of it, from roleclaims, to Cop accusations, to buddy-buddys.
[QUOTE='[M] Serah;3166122']Brainstorming is generation of ideas.[QUOTE]
Brainstorming is throwing out ideas whether or not they're fully developed or whether there's enough information to satisfy the Nobel Committee or not and hopefully sparking new ideas in others. What is happening here is I'm throwing out partially developed ideas and people are just saying "That's idiotic and you're an idiot for saying it. By the way, I have nothing productive to add."
The latter strategy works to the mafia's advantage.
I haven't seen anybody else suggest anything unique or outside the box--nor are they likely to at this point, given the reception my attempt has raised.
Re-playing previous mafia games with the same tactics begets predictability, and that works out to the advantage of the party with the greater store of information: the mafia. We'll never make them react to us instead of having us react to them if everyone just does what they did in previous mafia games.
On that point, Wedge is the only one who's actually tried anything new; thus, I've reconsidered my vote for him -- if he is mafia, it's reaction and not action.
##Unvote: Wedge
##Vote: Galuf (If only to prompt a reaction)
k.
I don't get the impression that Wedge is lying. But, if he isn't that means either YOU are, or we have a bus driver (stay quiet bro)
The thing is, if we have a bus driver, then surely someone could come forward and reveal that they recieved the info from wedge, they wouldn't have to reveal their role at all, and it wouldn't cause any danger to them, because it already happened in the past. Either way, I figure wedge is gonna bite it tonight.
What do you guys think, should we make a shoutout to whoever got the info to come forward to confirm wedge and make serah not look like a liar?
I knew when I said something I was opening myself up to be either night killed or lynched, therefore do not blow me off as a lunatic. The bus driver thing is a possibility but highly consequential and I don't want to believe that in a game with 25 players I just happened to choose to send an investigation report to someone who happened to be switched with another player who happened to be mafia that ended with the doctor being dead. If that is true, then I have the worst luck ever and it would make every mean nothing.
Some logic:
There are 4 possible scenarios to Wedge and me, one is mafia (2 scenarios total), both are town, both are mafia.
If I was mafia and Wedge claimed I was given a report, denying it would mean I'd label him a lair, which would mean swaying the town to kill him. Killing him would reveal he was truthful, damning myself. If I was mafia, I would have no reason to say I did not receive a report.
If Wedge was mafia, he'd have no reason to make up this charade. Me denying an action and getting labeled as a liar by him, getting me lynched, would have me flip town. This would make him be damned the next day.
If we were both mafia, would be drawing a huge amount of attention to ourselves.
Most likely, we are both town. A bus driver is NOT the only option on why I didn't receive info. A roleblocking role could be in play.
Is that all you have to say Wakka? You have nothing to say about Rydia? Kain? Noctis? or any of the other posters here?
Upon further thought, perhaps not. If you are a townie and nightkilled, we not only find that out, but learn your role; that ends your usefulness to the mafia as a red herring. If they don't nightkill you, we will continue to be suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
By nightkilling you, if you are a townie, the mafia ensures that we lynch Serah next. Not a course of action the mafia would be eager to encourage if she is indeed mafia.
Sheeesh! Spell check sucks! I meant coincidental not consequential, also if everything means nothing I will be haunting me a moogle when I'm gone! :(
Rydia again you are ignoring option 4 where we are both town and Wedge was roleblocked, switched, or something else specific to his role made the investigation fail.
Collecting votecount brb.
...why didn't I think of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
Which means this whole troutstorm has been town reacting to mafia.
This game makes me paranoid.
I ignored nothing; you posted that while I was typing and it had not occurred to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
I completely forgot about roleblockers. *redface*
There's also the possibility you are both mafia, are doing this to attract attention because everyone would assume no one who is mafia could possibly be this stupid.
but the odds of that are waaaay out there.
Like my ding dong.
lol, couldn't help it.
Anyways, good post, you've just about convinced me.
Woah, got some milk, made a post and look at all the activity.
Not really anything that jumps out at me except that Noctis is being douchey, almost as if he wants to be lynched, but there is no jester, so I have no idea what that means at all.
About Rydia, no, she seems to be eager to play, not scummy.
Has Kain even posted in a while?
PS, where the smurf is Quina?
##unvote:
Votecount
Yuffie (3) -Blank, Leila, Faris, Wakka
Blank (2) - Yuffie,Refia,Noctis, Leila
Kain (1) - Galuf
Rydia (2) - Kain,Serah
Serah (1) - Wedge
Galuf (1) - Rydia
Leila (1) - Blank
Faris (1) - Noctis
Wakka (1) - Refia
Cid (0) -Rydia
Wedge (0) -Rydia
I have some thinking to do.
Hope that count is accurate :monster:
For some reason I thought there was 2 votes on Galuf.
Speaking of whom, where is he?
Accounts in Play
[M] Noctis
[M] Wedge- I believe his roleclaim for now
[M] Biggs
[M] Leon
[M] Leila
[M] Refia
[M] Luneth
[M] Rydia
[M] Kain
[M] Faris
[M] Galuf
[M] Relm
[M] Setzer
[M] Yuffie
[M] Cid
[M] Laguna- Murdered, Night 1 - Doctor
[M] Quistis
[M] Quina
[M] Blank
[M] Wakka
[M] Rikku
[M] Penelo
[M] Balthier
[M] Serah- Me
[M] Sazh- Lynched, Day 1 - Day Vigilante
So that leaves me 21 players to examine.
There are plenty lying low:
- Galuf
- Balthier
- Penelo
- Quina
- Setzer
- Cid
- Luneth
- Liela
But we have some info to go off of now, unlike day one. So I'll turn away from inactives now, meaning I have 13 players to look at.
##vote: Wakka
:greenie:
Wakka voted for Galuf, very early, disappeared and only reappeared to give us minor info about what he was doing outside of the game. Wakka tried to pull the same crap today, with his "brb playing videogames" and didn't really have anything to say until I asked him, which he responded by making sure he nailed down either me or Wedge as mafia. Sorry dude, but I do not trust you :)
I see your logic, but look back and you'll see I'm not saying for sure either of you are scum, I added the possibility someone else has the message from wedge and is just being quiet.
day 1 I didn't have anything to add.
And if you'll look back, you'll see I put all those possibilities on the table before you asked me to.
So your whole post is bunk.
Looked back and found your 3 - point post.
##unvote:
Still don't trust you :p Still don't like your actions Day 1. But I'll keep looking through the thread for now.
*kisses serah on the lips.
:barf:
What's with all the roleplaying and general silliness, people? This game thread is nigh unreadable!
Anyway, Yuffie's insistence on getting people to vote is troublesome and serves little to no purpose. Considering how crazy this game is, urging votes so strongly is even worse.
So Yuffie, what's with your intense love of votes?
What is scummy about urging people to vote? Lynching is the town's power to kill mafia, so it's important we all vote.
Never pressure someone to vote. If they want to vote; they'll do it. But urging people to pile votes with little or no rhyme or reason during the first hour or so is destructive.
Really, I don't recall her specifically urging anyone to vote for someone specific, only to vote.
Which is worse. If you don't have a reason to vote, why vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
I don't think she meant without reason. Quintis, why don't you read the thread and decide who you are going to vote for? Yuffie has already defended per pro voting stance in previous posts and she is no longer here to reiterate it.
I'm not going to vote when there's no one to vote for. :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
Peer pressure is bad.
Why? If the Mafia's goal is to kill the townies, what's the benefit from restraining?Quote:
I distrust people who DON'T VOTE.
People who don't vote lack a plan? Please, tell me your plan. And I don't know much, which is why I'm hesitant to vote.Quote:
If you're here and not voting, what's the plan? Only planting when you're in a position to change life or death? I know, people say don't be too hasty, but Day 2 is like Day 1 (unless you want to assert and prove otherwise) and so there shouldn't be too much angst over not knowing too much.
So you're not going to vote, even though voting is the only way to kill Mafia? You would rather that only the Mafia vote and take us out two at a time? Your hesitation will not save you or the town.
[Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quistis
Someone dies every day. If the town doesn't arrive at a decision, Stilz will decide for us, and it's fairly certain he won't reward us for indecision by taking a Mafioso off our hands.
The only way to win is to kill all the mafia, and the only way a Mafioso is eliminated is if we do it. Nobody is going to do it for us.
dammit wedge get out of my skull
If you don't have a reason to vote, you vote because I tell you to vote kupo. There is a reason non-voters get their votes cast against them! It is because a lack of votes is no fun! :argh:
Current vote count:
[M] Galuf (3) - Kain, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Blank (2) - Yuffie,Refia,Noctis,Leila, Leila
[M] Yuffie (2) -Blank, Faris, Wakka
[M] Wakka (1) Refia,Serah
[M] Leila (1) - Blank
[M] Rydia (1) - Leon,Serah
[M] Faris (1) - Noctis
[M] Serah (1) - Wedge
[M] Cid (0) -Rydia
[M] Wedge (0) -Rydia
[M] Penelo (0) -Refia
Time remaining: 16.5 hours.
Please don't accuse me of smurfing up, kupo. I told you this was going to be a mindsmurf mafia. If you don't like it, get out :greenie:
PS Leon's first vote counts because Lydia is the original translation. Suck it. :mog:
Sleeps. see you in about 8 hours or so.
No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that I shouldn't be pressured into voting when there's no one I feel safe putting my vote on yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
I like your skull. You said it better than I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
:smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Stiltzkin
So... a lot has happened since I've been gone. I think you've all covered the bases as to why Wedge's message didn't go through, it's either a neat ploy, or Wedge is just unlucky (I might also add that depending on how the night roles are handled, Laguna could have been killed before the report was completed by Wedge, or that any one of the three involved had some sort of roleblock/switch/anything, which could have impacted the report).
Without further evidence I feel that he needs the benefit of the doubt. Though his role would be dangerous in the wrong hands, it could be revealing to the town none the less.
Question for Stiltzkin; are replacements required, and how long would you give an inactive before you start looking to modkill/replace them?
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Alright ladies and gents, I've been able to read through the thread. I admit I have skimmed it to try to keep up. A lot of talking has happened already. I think this is the most active mafia game we've had in a long time. Kudos to everyone for that.
I'm a bit confused on the blank bandwagon that happened earlier. Did I miss something? Can someone explain why he was a target.
Also, the wedge roleclaim seems very abrupt. I'm confused as to why that seemed like a good idea to do on day 2. Wedge, would you care to explain why you put the limelight on yourself like that this early on? I understand, if you are truthful in your claim, that the action you took would hint at Serah being a mafia, kind of. But most night actions that I know of are received at the end of the night, rather than in the middle of it. It very well could be that case though since this is "mindsmurf mafia". Did you not think of this when you came out with your claim? I'd just like to hear more from you, Wedge.
Truthfully, I did not think about when the report would be received, I did think that the person I had investigated was dead and that it was quite possibly my fault he was, which was very alarming to me. I was very upset and I noticed that Serah had posted but she wasn't forthcoming about receiving any messages concerning the now dead doctor and that nonchalance made me very suspicious of her. Since it was only Day 2 there was really no other evidence to go on against her, and considering that I believed it was my ability that exposed the doctor I chose to throw it out there knowing that death is probably the reward I will get for the effort, but if I have deduced correctly then I would be exposing a mafia scum and that would be worth it to me. I didn't think about bus drivers or role blockers because I have no evidence that those rolls exist in this game, I only have what I know about myself, so that is what I have offered the town in an attempt to protect it
Hello every body I just got here so please give me a chance to read this whole thread before you place your vote.
It is ok Nonstick I would not have voted for you any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
What about two? :count:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisA MILLION DEL MURDERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Ok I have read everything but it is time for me to go to bed so goodnight.
Ok I am awake now and I will type up a long post so please give me a few hours to get it posted as I must have my good friend and editor Jiro look over it first.
It seems like Nonstick is a good player and has already found the scums and they are Blank and that guy Faris. So now we can spend the rest of the day planning the after-mafia buffet. :tongue:
But let us make sure we do not become the snakes to his snake charming ways. As the philosopher Samuel L. Adams once said "There are too many mother smurfing snakes in this mother smurfing game".
So I will turn my attention to that onion kid Refia.
But I thought Penelo was one of those people who did pop up and vanish. So why put your vote on her?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
I will help you with this game because you mention that you did not know who to go after in your post above. You should go after the person who seems the scummiest. You are welcome for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
That is odd that you vote for the person who questions the person who you think is scummiest.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
And finally the worst thing of all I have read in this forum:
This makes me truly sad. :( :(Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
I will now open the floor for discussion.
Thank you for the lively and entertaining discussion following my posts. Based on this I think I will place my vote on that guy Faris and trust that charmer Nonstick for now. I will not repeat his posts through the quote button but I agree with that train of thought for now. I still do not trust that onion kid how ever.
I will also mention that I believe my good friend Wedgie's role claim. It is odd that Serah did not get the report but there are various explanations for this some of which result in Serah turning red.
It is also odd that Delguna did not protect himself on Night 1. A veteran player with only Day 1 spam to snack on would not have a lot of cause to protect some one other than himself. So what happened?
##Vote: Faris
Quina, it's quite possible that Laguna protecting himself may not have been allowed (up to the game's moderator whether a role can target self or not; just because it's been done one way in the past doesn't mean it has to be done that way all the time).
I read the part where Rydia thought I was scum because of my oh-so-obvious cop "roleclaim" and the fact that I'm still alive. And I lol'd. Everyone gets information on day 2 in the form of the flips from the d1 lynch and the n1 kill; that info plus people's reactions is what I was going to attempt to use to scumhunt.
Then some other stuff happened in the thread and I'm tired. Can't consider myself able to read it currently, I have sleep to attend to.
I would, I so want to type in that name.. but first:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisQuick let's lynch him!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonIf they didn't pick Psy, are you saying, Psy is... is...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
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Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
Wow.. that just reeks of scum. This came out of nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
And seriously? You are either the WORST investigator ever, or a stupid mafia scapegoat, or both.
Yes... both.
##unvote
##vote: Wedge
Hey Kain
use your brain
from Wedgie's claim
what would he gain?
That thought did not cross my mind Sean so thank you for it. Unfortunately it now pushed out an old thought and I think it was my favorite cookie recipe... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Cid
In most games a Doctor can protect themself but sometimes they can not. I guess we will not be able to figure out what happened on this day.
Well of course it would be you.
Also in regards to Wedge's claim... what does Wedge have to gain if he is town or mafia? What was the actual point in it? As far as I understand it's this: Serah receives a report on Laguna, Laguna dies, Serah is scum. Or, and here's a wacky tobacky thought... coincidence? You'd at least try to gather more evidence and have a report on Serah sent to somebody tonight if you felt that way before exposing what is potentially a ridiculously powerful role. I mean, the whole point of this role is that it's a Cop who doesn't even need to claim. Hell, it's an omni-Cop if it can detect people's roles too. So why claim, based on something that can easily be explained as a coincidence, when there is no more Doctor to protect you?
I don't know why you're all so quick to buy this. What if Wedge isn't scum but isn't telling the truth either...? ;) Regardless, we don't have enough information to work on to make the judgment call here. I'm not for lynching him, but I'm not going to swallow this roleclaim just like that either.
Credibility, or so it would probably seem to him. Any real investigator would never out himself like that, especially on day 2. And I'm more likely to believe Serah than the crazy guy roleclaiming on day 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
However, I've seen this plenty of times in newbie players playing mafia goons and the lack of experience, plus lack of direction causes them to do something this stupid. The only redeeming thing about it is that usually even the newbies aren't THAT stupid. But I'll keep my vote on him until I see something more scummy.
And congratulations, you're on my list now. I'll keep an eye (and spear) on you.
How does one get onto your list, Kain? And what sort of benefits are there?
Health care, dental, 4 days off a month and a spear induced blood enema every day.
Noctis, I am for believing it because if he is mafia, he now needs to make up a report, every. night. There is no way he is going to be able to keep that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
Yeah, no, he couldn't. You're not allowed to PM anyone in a mafia game. So unless it was in his role he wouldn't be able to send anything.
And even if it was his role, what kind of idiot jumps to the conclusions he did? And so openly? Such reports are not given in the night phase, but when the day has started again, so the mafia could never use a report like that on night one.
You are not understanding what I've said. If he's lying and is mafia he'll have to think each night, "Who am I going to say I investigated? And to who?" Then publicly announce that he investigated x and gave it to y. Then it'll be reveal that person didn't get a PM. If he's mafia, he made a roleclaim that will get him lynched eventually so I see no reason to jump on killing him today.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
Yes, that is what he will need to do. Except he hasn't done that yet, has he? We've only had one night's report. Don't be so hasty to jump ahead and let's take tomorrow's report as it comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
Also, I never said he was mafia. :greenie:
And I never said I'm jumping ahead but there is certainly no reason to lynch him now when he could be very, very obvious later :greenie:
:flirt:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
You're thinking in terms of "Why would a mafia do this? This makes no sense." and you're right. But ask another question. "Why would a town do this?"
Incompetence? Or something a little... grey? Mindsmurf mafia. Haho. Bollocks to Wedge and bollocks to his reports. I've got a train to catch.
To Blanksville.
Ain't no getting off this train we're on. Although I'd love to hear what's fueling the fire.
I suppose there a 50/50 chance Wedge isn't scum. I acknowledge the arguments. But as Noctis said, it can be both ways. And seeing as, right now, I have no one else that I think could be scum, I'm going to keep my vote where it is. However, it's a fair chance I will switch it to someone else when I've had a chance to more thouroughly analyze the comments.
It could be both ways. Or, and this is what I want it to be, it could be Option C.
Hello! Guys! Frogs! And stuff.
Stuff? What stuff? Scum stuff? Goon stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
:P
I've got a riddle for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
What's dead, dead and dead all over?
I just read through this entire thread, more or less. Can't remember--was Wedge being voted for a lot that caused him to role claim? It seems a bit ridiculous for him to go out on a limb like that, otherwise. But the story he weaves, who knows?
I know it's sort of late in the game, but Rydia's "Oh, Cid is the cop" because of the most absolutely obscure comment ever, about returning later to see if anything interesting had happened...it seems like Rydia is the most vocal person about everyone else, but has never once spoken about herself.
Sleeping and doing stuff after I wake up, accused of being inactive. Never change, mafia. :love:
But, since I have been away stuff certainly has taken off. But to touch on things I thought whilst reading through - I realise that much of this has already been said but we all like to pretend our opinions are more important than the same opinions that have been posted already. :p
Yuffie - pushing for votes at the start of the day is a bit hasty, as has been said. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing not to vote until you have reason to - not to say that there should be no voting, because that is obviously a dumb move for us to make. I'm not feeling anything too scummy from you, but the entire thing has me feeling a bit wary.
Wedge/Serah debacle - The entire thing has me feeling a bit confused. I don't think either of them are lying, but I don't understand why the claim was made at all. I am fairly suspicious of the entire debacle. However I am leaning more towards a silly gut reaction from Wedge along with some unfortunate circumstances. But, time will tell how true his words were.
Now that the big things are over, little bits that I've picked up on.
Refia - she is around the thread a lot and she's paying enough attention to post vote tallies every now and again. However, we haven't heard very much from her at all regarding... anything. Enough posting to appear active, but not really posting substance. Her voting is also fairly erratic, as has been pointed out by Quina (damn my sleeping, all my ideas are stolen before I can even have them :p). Basically, I'd like to hear more from her.
Same with Quistis, actually. A lot of posting, not very much substance. Just want to hear more from the people who are hovering around the thread. It's a suspicious play, people who give the air of activity.
And then there's the rest of the people who haven't posted today yet. Still got some time, guys! These are my thoughts so far (I think that's them all, at least xD), if anything else comes to mind I shall post away! I will also endeavour to keep up with the thread and not fall into that "air of activity" I mentioned before.
QUOTE='[M] Serah;3166149']Accounts in Play
[M] Noctis
[M] Wedge- I believe his roleclaim for now
[M] Biggs
[M] Leon
[M] Leila
[M] Refia
[M] Luneth
[M] Rydia
[M] Kain
[M] Faris
[M] Galuf
[M] Relm
[M] Setzer
[M] Yuffie
[M] Cid
[M] Laguna- Murdered, Night 1 - Doctor
[M] Quistis
[M] Quina
[M] Blank
[M] Wakka
[M] Rikku
[M] Penelo
[M] Balthier
[M] Serah- Me
[M] Sazh- Lynched, Day 1 - Day Vigilante
So that leaves me 21 players to examine.
There are plenty lying low:
- Galuf
- Balthier
- Penelo
- Quina
- Setzer
- Cid
- Luneth
- Liela
But we have some info to go off of now, unlike day one. So I'll turn away from inactives now, meaning I have 13 players to look at.
[/QUOTE]
For good reason this day. Look at all the accusations being thrown around. All you have to do is cough in the wrong direction then suddenly your head is on the chopping block.
Good morning. We're decorating for Christmas so I wont be as active today.
The way I see it we can have two lines of investigation OR we can focus on one line and shut it down. One involves letting both Serah and Wedge live so we can see how these Wedge Reports play out, while we look at our current suspects, and the other is to kill them now and make sure they both aren't scum. I'm in favor of letting this drama play out.
I don't know why Serah did or did not get a report, but I do not think this means we need to immediately kill Wedge. What Serah is right about is that now every morning someone is expected to have a Wedge Report. A few things may happen, but here are three general outlines.
1. Wedge lives. Someone claims a Wedge Report.
2. Wedge dies. Someone claims a Wedge Report
3. Wedge lives. No one claims a Wedge Report.
What we figure out here is that if:
1 is true then Wedge may confirm to whom he gave a Report to. Whether you trust that person is by how much you should trust Wedge. Both could be scum.
2 is true then we get a confirm on his role and we get a Wedge Report. Despite being town, he may have sent his Report to the wrong person.
3 is true then Wedge probably is town and has been roleblocked OR is dirty mafia and is playing this route.
What I do sincerely know is that now we have to get daily reports, then we get a list of names. Whether it be the person investigated or the person receiving, we get a name. I want those names.
NO smurfING EDITINGQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] KainI would, I so want to type in that name.. but first:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisQuick let's lynch him!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonIf they didn't pick Psy, are you saying, Psy is... is...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
Wow.. that just reeks of scum. This came out of nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
And seriously? You are either the WORST investigator ever, or a stupid mafia scapegoat, or both.
Yes... both.
##unvote
##vote: Wedge
Yuffie, you've currently voted for Blank. Why?
It's confoundedly early on a Saturday morning and I have an appointment to go to. Wasn't planning on keeping my vote on Leila. Got about 15 mins, thinking of who to vote for, and if I'm alive tomorrow whoever suspects me can fill me in on why. Also why are so many people still focused on Wedge? It seems useless for today.
I do what I want. And not that it mattered, but the quotes were double and all messed up, they still are a little. I have no idea why, but I blame firefox. Stupid secondary browser for mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Looking at people who voted for Galuf. Galuf voted so wasn't endangered as much as Quina and Sazh, so can be viewed as likelier to be scum. He would thus be the "safe" band wagon to be on and there's three names other than our dead friend on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Stiltzkin
I was just working backwards from Laguna's name so I like that Wakka already seems not thrilled with me, and I believe that we already have a line on you that will resolve itself. Blank is and was always pressure and I've liked seeing that people have mention they've voted because of where my vote stands. It makes you wonder.
Wait for a mod to clear things up. I don't care your reasoning because even if you feed me a line, I can't know how true it is and I don't want to see anyone modkilled (well sort of but not really).Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KainI do what I want. And not that it mattered, but the quotes were double and all messed up, they still are a little. I have no idea why, but I blame firefox. Stupid secondary browser for mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Dear lord, what kind of nazi mafia games did you play? I have to do it nearly every time because otherwise it automatically sets my text color to grey for some reason. However, if you take long enough to do that it says edited, such as when the quotes get all messed up and you have to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
But whatever, I'm not going to wait for a mod every time because Jiro is on a waaay different GMT clock than we are. Deal with it. If Stiltzkin says I can't, then I won't. It's not like I edited things I sad 4 hours ago, merely minutes after I posted.
I voted for Galuf because he seems sketch. It confounds (my word of the day xD) me that you would assume Galuf isn't scum just because he was in the top 3. For anyone who thinks I bandwagoned Serah, I hit the reply button before I even saw that post.
Kain, no editing is a rule, I already got told off for that :p
You all seem super sketchy but I'm going to go for Refia today. Sorry, darling :( But I don't recall any substantial posts from you for the amount of time present. I asked you about it a whole lot of pages back but didn't get a reply.
##unvote
##vote: Refia
I'm back, and I want to talk a little about the Wedge/Serah debacle. As we know, Wedge, being the numbskull that he is, earlier accused Serah of being the cause of Laguna's death, as it was Serah that he sent out a report to for his investigation on Laguna. Serah may, or may not, have received the report, claims to have not received such a report. However, this may mean that one or both of them are telling the truth. Watching this, we have really no idea who is being truthful in this, so we should take both of their words with a lick of salt ingrained.
With that out of the way, I also want to talk a bit about our good misguided friend, Rydia. Her "brainstorms" as she calls them, don't make any sense, not one bit at all. The nonsense that spouts from her mouth scream that she's been listening to those voices in her head, and the voices sincerely don't make any clear sense. It could mean that she's just talking to distract town from the real issues.
As much as I would like to keep my vote on Yuffie for her insistance to vote without putting much thought, I'll go let my vote on her go and place it on Rydia. She can't rely on her brainstorm to get us through this alone. We have to collect all the information provided by what has happened, not through something that might have happened in that spacy head of hers.
##Unvote: Yuffie
##Vote: Rydia
Ha ha no, Galuf is more sketchy than Quina because he was only ranked third and would have been tied with Sazh otherwise. Granted Galuf placed his vote years early but what was to stop Wakka, Serah (already had changed her vote a few times), or you from skipping out if the going got tough?
That's taking it a little too extreme but you get it yeah?
##vote: Faris
Yeah, to be honest with you. I've been watching Galuf since day 1, or rather last night. He has been rather suspiciously silent ever since he showed up on day 1. I'm not sure what to actually think of him. I've had my watch on him since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
You hear that old man? I've got my eyes on you! :glare:
And do you have a reason for your vote, Serah?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
Spreading deceit. Disregarding both me and Wedge because of a single roleclaim is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
More likely scenario is, Rydia is bad at mafia (sorry babe). Voting for her because she's dumb is just a way to get by.Quote:
With that out of the way, I also want to talk a bit about our good misguided friend, Rydia. Her "brainstorms" as she calls them, don't make any sense, not one bit at all. The nonsense that spouts from her mouth scream that she's been listening to those voices in her head, and the voices sincerely don't make any clear sense. It could mean that she's just talking to distract town from the real issues.
"Yuffie is trying to make us vote! The most important thing for a town to analyze. LYNCH HER." ...uhhhhh....Quote:
As much as I would like to keep my vote on Yuffie for her insistance to vote without putting much thought,
Nothing stops us from collecting that info and hoping Rydia can smarten up. Killing bad players because they are bad has never worked out and often just been a mafia excuse to vote.Quote:
I'll go let my vote on her go and place it on Rydia. She can't rely on her brainstorm to get us through this alone. We have to collect all the information provided by what has happened, not through something that might have happened in that spacy head of hers.
I think it is much more likely that a new player would make a mistake to reveal his true role too early than to make a false claim so early. Esepcially with a role such as this which is not typical role.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
There is not much to do about it now. The role is out there and he has nothing to lose but to share his night action choices from here on out.
I'm still confused on why Blank was targeted. Is it cause he voted galuf? Would someone explain. I'm a bit lost. I've looked back and I still don't see it.
I wasn't disregarding either of you. I'm just saying that we should be careful about this and not make the wrong decision. It's very possible both of you are not scum and this is just something Wedge should have never brought up in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] SerahSpreading deceit. Disregarding both me and Wedge because of a single roleclaim is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Again, I'm afraid I'll have to agree. However, I don't really think Rydia's an awful player. It's that she can't phrase herslef correctly and the words that come out don't make much sense because of all that brainstorming. could be that she might be trying to put down everything suggested to her and make town confused. Who knows.Quote:
More likely scenario is, Rydia is bad at mafia (sorry babe). Voting for her because she's dumb is just a way to get by.Quote:
With that out of the way, I also want to talk a bit about our good misguided friend, Rydia. Her "brainstorms" as she calls them, don't make any sense, not one bit at all. The nonsense that spouts from her mouth scream that she's been listening to those voices in her head, and the voices sincerely don't make any clear sense. It could mean that she's just talking to distract town from the real issues.
"Yuffie is trying to make us vote! The most important thing for a town to analyze. LYNCH HER." ...uhhhhh....Quote:
As much as I would like to keep my vote on Yuffie for her insistance to vote without putting much thought,
Nothing stops us from collecting that info and hoping Rydia can smarten up. Killing bad players because they are bad has never worked out and often just been a mafia excuse to vote.Quote:
I'll go let my vote on her go and place it on Rydia. She can't rely on her brainstorm to get us through this alone. We have to collect all the information provided by what has happened, not through something that might have happened in that spacy head of hers.
Faris who did you vote for? I forget and can not make two clicks to go check.
Just changed it to Rydia, Quina.
I'd drop it, but I'm not entirely convinced to do so.
You take no stance Faris, only "it could be this, but it could be that" you're the definition of sitting fence. Enjoy my vote cause I ain't movin' it :greenie:
You want my stance?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Serah
You and Wedge are innocent from my point of view. Wedge is also a nincampoop. Determining about this report to you is a waste of time, but we don't know whether its been sent to you or not because you claim to not have received it, nor is anyone saying they have received it.
If you were to be convinced, who would you vote for instead? Voting is the name of the game. It got to be on some body!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Galuf.
Now that's a name I haven't heard since...
Why Galuf? Where is Galuf? Who is Galuf? What is Galuf?
I'm confused by this set of statements. Who would you rather be voting for Faris? Galuf or Rydia?
The idea was that the mafia spread their votes on Day 1. One of the person who voted Galuf ended up town, leaving a 1 in 3 chance of finding mafia instead of 1 in 4. Blank also made an interesting post which I leave to the player to discover. It is still too early to do my aHA! reveal post which we all love.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
He's been a suspiciously silent, senile old man since his initial appearance on day 1... I tracked him down last night.
I do not know what he did, but I know he had targeted Quistis. I haven't mentioned it because nothing had happened to her today. Now that I think about it, it would be better to vote someone who hasn't said much and might be a much bigger threat than someone like Rydia.
##Unvote: Rydia
##Vote: Galuf
I know you all think this role of mine is some unique, awesome role that's great but I don't really agree with that. I don't get to see the results of the investigation and I don't know for sure what the alignment is of the person I'm sending the report to is either. Finding out the a power role is taken out of the game after I sent a report on him to God knows where (apparently) makes it feel less like an awesome gift and more like a landmine. You are probably all right and I'm a an awful Mafia player, I'm OK with that, but my plan was to expose myself and draw attention away from whoever the real cop might be, at least that player can see his (her) own damn investigation results. I mean, it's random guys, I pick someone and then pick someone else and if I pick wrong well then that really sucks, doesn't it!
Faris did you just... roleclaim? It's day 2 people! Goodness! This day two has so much hot sweaty action. Role claims on day 2.... back in... my day...
I'm still not entirely sure who to go after, but something about Wedge's claim still bothers me. Mostly the fact that he was claiming Serah killed Laguna because of Wedge's report, I just don't get what he's trying to say by that. I would vote Wedge, but I think if he's a townie with a powerful role, then mafia would ice him tonight. If he's mafia we could figure it out soon because his role is an easy one to determine the truth from based on if people come out and receive reports.
So if he's town, mafia will kill him, if he's mafia he'll slip up fast. Either way lynching him today seems like a waste. I say we focus down someone else.
Rydia still strikes me as just someone who had a bad idea and went with it. Not enough for me to think she was mafia yet.
Quina came out of no where and seems like he just wants to put pressure on me, and all because I pointed out how ugly Quina is!!!
Yuffie seemed popular today, but she didn't strike me as scummy, just someone trying to get votes out there, which could or could not be a scummy tactic. Quistis' attempt to call that out and call it bandwagoning is the scummiest thing I've probably seen today. Tossing out votes early is never bad unless your trying to build up a band wagon, but 2 or 3 votes never kills anyone.
So for right now,
##Unvote: Wakka
##Vote: Quistis
Unless someone makes a more compelling argument to this fair maiden. :flirt:
i'm roleclaiming too
i'm the POOP BUTT FART
my role is to make very bad roleclaims for no apparent reason
Oh yeah, Balthier bro. It ain't a game if roleclaiming ain't part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
When I said Galuf was more sketchy than Quina, I did not mean he was more sketchy than everyone else, so I am surprised by this move.
I almost wish we didn't know these things. First, Faris has claimed some sort of tracking role. Second, Galuf has some kind of night action role. So now instead of just Wedge and Serah to target, we have to consider Faris and Galuf possible night kills and wonder if that affects our day voting.
Oh god, more roleclaiming.
You seem to get that role every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Noctis
What do the votes look like so far?
BTW eating lunch, so I'll be back for a little while.
Stop. Claiming. Rolls. You aren't helping anyone.
I shall claim this roll!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
http://www.displayfakefoods.com/stor...ICH%20ROLL.jpg
Everyone rolecall!
Not that any of us have to believe the rolecalls. They could be doing that to cover their ass or divert attention. BELIEVE NO ONE :stare:
But on day 2? When there wasn't too much pressure on you. There was no need, even as you said, to role claim. It just seems as if you're trying to give yourself some validity. I mean, I see that serah, noctis, and quina voted you and with those three guys, I can understand how that'd make you nervous. But what was the goal of announcing you could track on day 2 in a 25 man game which will most likely last quite a few days? Just a bit early don't you think? I get maybe on the 5th day or something when you have some more evidence to bring forth but day 2? After only one night phase? That puts you in an unnecessary line of fire...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FarisOh yeah, Balthier bro. It ain't a game if roleclaiming ain't part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
Well the ball is in Galuf's court now. Convenient that you trakced a person who is not around to answer for him self. We will have to see what Galuf did to that Ace Quisty!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
You were my number 1 Faris but it is time to move on to number 2.
Speaking of which I have explosive diarrhea right now so I will brb.
##Unvote: Faris
##Vote: Refia
Well, I guess we really won't know for sure who the mafia will whack. I mean, already 2 cop-like roleclaims. By the end of the day we'll have 6. You guys are really making it easy on them, and seeing as Psy is ALWAYS in the mafia for some reason, we really don't need to make it easy on them.
Going through all the posts now. Analysis soon.
Let us not forget that in a mindsmurf game, nothing is what it seems. A mafia can have a tracker just as easily as a town. But it is foolish to vote out those who role claim on day 2 since their fate is set and they must continue this charade for the remiander of their days. A difficult thing for a mafia to do, if you ask me (which every one of you did thank you so much). We will get these liars in the end.
Twice. Out of 20 or so games. :greenie:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
That's every single time don't ya know?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisTwice. Out of 20 or so games. :greenie:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
TWICE IN FIVE YEARS
Thank you for that informative post that is very relevant to this game, Nonstick.
Get dead. Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quina
Come to think of it, assigning everyone a key role would be a good way to mindsmurf for the first few days; every time a townie dies, we'd be kicking ourselves for losing a key role.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
I don't know where the tally is, but seeing as I don't want conversation stifled, we're going to be drastic.
##UNVOTE: Blank
##VOTE: Refia
I think that was the limit to what I was going to get out of Blank without support. I think there's a limit to what Quina can get too unless a few people pitch in.
#unvote: yuffie.
Pointless vote is pointless.
Once I see the tally, I'll review and make my final decision.
How much time left?
Rydia - Against inactives on day 1 (which makes no sense, the odds are against you in randomly finding mafia), vote on Cid that made no sense, overanalyzed. Either a role information or something is wrong.
Yuffie - Can't get a grip on her. Weird girl, but mostly harmless, I think.
Leila - wtf vote, but otherwise meh.
Quistis - Unhelpful but did not post enough to get a vibe on her. But it's leaning to bad, but no idea, really.
Faris - Inconsistent, reacts strongly and defensively. The roleclaim was just stupid. Really? Wedge's idiocy wasn't enough?
Noctis - Psy, he always acts like that. I'll leave him open to day 3 or 4.
Leon - Meh, no vibe.
Refia - Why Penelo (there are more inactive people)? You have a weird voting habit, but meh, not much else.
Relm - She's okay, I think. Doesn't really stand out much, but posts enough.
Wedge - WTF moment. What are you doing, you stupid stupid newbie. Still think 50/50 shot he's a mafia, but same amount he's just very bad at this game. We'll know tomorrow.
Serah - I think she's town. Don't ask me why, but I get that vibe. Some weird votes, some well-thought out. She's rational, which seems to be rare in this game. Also, she's hot.
Quina - Either a very protective townie, or a very protective mafia. No idea which, but I will find out when Wedge dies.
Wakka - Too much into his character. But I get a scum vibe from him, too many guesses that came out of nowhere and only a mafia would even think of.
Looking at who else votes against Wedge, and looking through all the posts, I think I'm gonna go for either Faris, Quina or Wakka.
Hmm, Wakka. By a little. He doesn't say much, but the times he does say things I don't trust he just thought of it.
##unvote
##vote: Wakka wakka!
Three hours at least.
I have voted. Right now everyone else who shared my vote has changed it and I probably shouldn't base my vote on "He voted for me so I'll vote for him" :greenie: I'd rather have my vote count for something than be useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
I figure I should vote.
##Vote: Yuffie:
You're a bit too crazy for what I'm comfortable with, and your attempts to get people to vote for any reason at all is dangerous and more than a little suspicious.
Faris' role claim is definitely something. I got some weird vibes about Faris earlier, namely with Serah pointing stuff out, but with the role claim I'm not sure what to think. It would be rather silly for the mafia to make a role claim (unless as someone said they had a tracker character too) so early in the game.
Like what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
Also people are voting little ole me? T_T
DAY 2
yuffie
##VOTE: blank
refia
##VOTE: blank
noctis
##VOTE: blank
blank
##VOTE: yuffie
kain
##VOTE: galuf
leila
##VOTE: yuffie
refia
##UNVOTE: blank
leila
##UNVOTE: yuffie
refia
##VOTE: penelo
blank
##UNVOTE: yuffie
blank
##VOTE: leila
rydia
##VOTE: cid
leila
##VOTE: blank
leon
##VOTE: rydia
noctis
##UNVOTE: blank
noctis
##VOTE: faris
wakka
##VOTE: yuffie
wedge
##VOTE: serah
serah
##VOTE: rydia
ryda
##UNVOTE: cid
rydia
##VOTE: wedge
refia
##UNVOTE: penelo
refia
##VOTE: wakka
rydia
##UNVOTE: wedge
rydia
##VOTE: galuf
serah
##UNVOTE: rydia
serah
##VOTE: wakka
serah
##UNVOTE: wakka
quina
##VOTE: faris
kain
##UNVOTE: galuf
kain
##VOTE: wedge
blank
##UNVOTE: leila
blank
##VOTE: refia
faris
##UNVOTE: yuffie
faris
##VOTE: rydia
serah
##VOTE: faris
faris
##UNVOTE: rydia
faris
##VOTE: galuf
refia
##UNVOTE: wakka
refia
##VOTE: quistis
quina
##UNVOTE: faris
quina
##VOTE: refia
yuffie
##UNVOTE: blank
yuffie
##VOTE: refia
quistis
##VOTE: yuffie
Posting the votes is great, Yuppie, but some analysis would be greater.
I remember thinking earlier that your vote seemed like a bandwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RefiaFaris' role claim is definitely something. I got some weird vibes about Faris earlier, namely with Serah pointing stuff out, but with the role claim I'm not sure what to think. It would be rather silly for the mafia to make a role claim (unless as someone said they had a tracker character too) so early in the game.
Like what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
Also people are voting little ole me? T_T
Thanks for the vote of confidence kain. :(
Anyways, I don't want to self vote, so I suppose I should choose one of you.
Elucidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quistis
You seem to have a thing against voting Quistis. What's wrong to tossing out some votes early on to get people talking? Isn't it better then not voting till the last minute and trying to infer based on the spam posts we get? You get to see voting trends and make people have to defend their votes and determine is their scum votes or spam votes, or there's something backing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Quistis
Er I may have screwed up on my thing. Don't take it as gospel. :/
Which vote exactly? I don't think I voted anyone as part of a band wagon, I think I've been a bit consistent being the first/second vote on anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Also some elaboration if required about what Kain thought of your guesses, you did jump at the idea of a bus driver really fast. Why is that?
I've played a lot of mafia, and every time something goes wacky or missing, it seems to be a bus driver. Go with what you know best, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RefiaWhich vote exactly? I don't think I voted anyone as part of a band wagon, I think I've been a bit consistent being the first/second vote on anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Also some elaboration if required about what Kain thought of your guesses, you did jump at the idea of a bus driver really fast. Why is that?
Found my mistake. Faris voted for me between Leila voting Blank and Leon voting Rydia. I didn't mean to mislead.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Refia should be in the lead at 3, Faris, Galuf, and I tied at 2nd with 2, and I just hate counting. This is why I never became a clerk.
And then what? :greenie:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
I unvoted you, so I think I have 2 votes on me also with self vote because I can't decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] YuffieFound my mistake. Faris voted for me between Leila voting Blank and Leon voting Rydia. I didn't mean to mislead.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Refia should be in the lead at 3, Faris, Galuf, and I tied at 2nd with 2, and I just hate counting. This is why I never became a clerk.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
This mostly:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
Like what exactly?
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It makes sense. And probably explains Wedge and Serah, but where did that come from? He doesn't seem like a veteran mafia player who has seen it all, like Psy, and if he analyzed it that much why does he only give one line posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Inconsistent. And I don't really have a better one to vote for right now. Don't want to axe wedge if the mafia will do it anyway. Maybe if the vote comes up between Faris and someone I think is townie I'll switch to Faris.
Also, this is what I mean by messed quotes. They were in grey a moment ago as well.
Corrected voting pattern (accurate since my last post):
(SPOILER)DAY 2
yuffie
##VOTE: blank 1
refia
##VOTE: blank 2
noctis
##VOTE: blank 3
blank
##VOTE: yuffie 1
kain
##VOTE: galuf 1
leila
##VOTE: yuffie 2
refia
##UNVOTE: blank 2
leila
##UNVOTE: yuffie 1
refia
##VOTE: penelo 1
blank
##UNVOTE: yuffie 0
blank
##VOTE: leila 1
rydia
##VOTE: cid 1
leila
##VOTE: blank 3
faris
##VOTE: yuffie 1
leon
##VOTE: rydia 1
noctis
##UNVOTE: blank 2
noctis
##VOTE: faris 1
wakka
##VOTE: yuffie 2
wedge
##VOTE: serah 1
serah
##VOTE: rydia 1
rydia
##UNVOTE: cid 0
rydia
##VOTE: wedge 1
refia
##UNVOTE: penelo 0
refia
##VOTE: wakka 1
rydia
##UNVOTE: wedge 0
rydia
##VOTE: galuf 2
serah
##UNVOTE: rydia 0
serah
##VOTE: wakka 2
serah
##UNVOTE: wakka 1
quina
##VOTE: faris 2
kain
##UNVOTE: galuf 1
kain
##VOTE: wedge 1
blank
##UNVOTE: leila 0
blank
##VOTE: refia 1
faris
##UNVOTE: yuffie 1
faris
##VOTE: rydia 1
serah
##VOTE: faris 3
faris
##UNVOTE: rydia 0
faris
##VOTE: galuf 2
refia
##UNVOTE: wakka 0
refia
##VOTE: quistis 1
quina
##UNVOTE: faris 2
quina
##VOTE: refia 2
yuffie
##UNVOTE: blank 1
yuffie
##VOTE: refia 3
quistis
##VOTE: yuffie 2
No need to open a wall of text unless you want to. Sorry about not spoiler tagging the first one.
My only real observation, Quina, is that people seem to be trading votes on each other. None of them stick. The big one is that despite how we all note Rydia seems scummy, she currently has zero votes.
You are sitting pretty with only your self-vote on yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaI unvoted you, so I think I have 2 votes on me also with self vote because I can't decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] YuffieFound my mistake. Faris voted for me between Leila voting Blank and Leon voting Rydia. I didn't mean to mislead.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Refia should be in the lead at 3, Faris, Galuf, and I tied at 2nd with 2, and I just hate counting. This is why I never became a clerk.
If you knew who I was it would make a lot more sense. I used to get in trouble in school for writing out long descriptive versions of answers, when short answers were called for, and that got beat into me to where I make my line of thinking as long as short as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] KainQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
This mostly:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Kain
Like what exactly?
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It makes sense. And probably explains Wedge and Serah, but where did that come from? He doesn't seem like a veteran mafia player who has seen it all, like Psy, and if he analyzed it that much why does he only give one line posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Inconsistent. And I don't really have a better one to vote for right now. Don't want to axe wedge if the mafia will do it anyway. Maybe if the vote comes up between Faris and someone I think is townie I'll switch to Faris.
The throught process I went through was in my 3 points. However, I admit, I never considered the possibility of a roleblocker.