I never said that Aigis is the doctor. He has said that so far unchallenged.
I never said that Aigis is the doctor. He has said that so far unchallenged.
I think it's safe to say the safe lynch today is Koromaru, yet let's try to get all the mafia out of their holes.
I never said he wasn't the doctor there either. Just tossing out another scenario however he was low on my suspicions list.
You know I'm a girl right? To quote a troutty 90's sitcom, "how rude!"
Oops, I did mean she.
First check of the day. New as well: if you ever want to snap to the latest post and vote check, just ctrl+f and type in the hashtag code above the vote check and will always be on the latest one. Just another navigational aid for everyone.
| Day Three |
Approximately thirty-two hours and thirty minutes remain
Koromaru - 3 / 5 (Akihiko, Aigis, Elizabeth)
Elizabeth - 0 / 5 (Akihiko)
Mitsuru - 0 / 5 (Akihiko)
(Junpei, Ken, Koromaru, Mitsuru and Shinjiro are yet to vote)
Good luck, everyone!
Just to let everyone know I am voting Koromaru but with three votes against him already and me wanting to let the day continue on to sniff out more mafia.
Thanks Igor.
Can someone go find Ken?
I am wondering where Ken is too.
So I have been thinking this.
If it is True that Mitsuru is the cop, and Aigis is the doctor. That protecting Mitsuru night one would have given the results. Koromaru knowing my suspicions toward Mitsuru would have claimed what he did for me to start a lynch mob. It backfired on Koromaru however.
Aigis I believe is the doctor so him putting protection on Mitsuru night one gives the result.
I will back away from my Mitsuru claim in light of this information.
Okay, I'm home from work now. Wait, I mean, school, obviously, 'cause I'm like, 10 or whatever. Read some of today, but still need a few minutes to catch up fully. Bear with.
Okay, think I've got it all straight now. I think. It's all quite hard for this 10 year old, to be honest.
The arguments that Aigis is the doctor are pretty persuasive. In fact, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet at this point that anyone who votes Aigis is deliberately trying to take out our best line of defence. So, unless they come with some pretty compelling arguments, I'd say that anyone who votes Aigis is mafia.
Not voting just yet. I need a bit more time to think.
Time to come clean. The reason I'm so quick to trust Aigis after I voted for her yesterday is because I investigated her last night, and I KNOW she's town. I'm the cop. Night one, I investigated Minato. Revealing this is going to make me a target, but you have to know not to trust Mitsuru. She’s lying through her teeth.
##Vote: Mitsuru
Now isn't that interesting.
I don't even know what's going on. This is ridiculous.
What an interesting day 3 hahaha
So I am more able to believe Ken then Mitsuru on this, which makes my original theory of the cover claims true.
Ken just dropped the bombshell on everything. I find it funny Mitsuru hasn't been around to defend her claims of cop yet everyone else was doing it for the player. Koromaru also dropped everything once Aigis claimed doctor knowing he was busted.
I only role claimed because Mafia knew I had a night role due to the block. Sorry I caused so much excitement people.
So let's get this straight.
We have 2 people claiming cop - Ken and Mitsuru. Only one of these can be telling the truth.
We have 2 people claiming doc - Koromaru and Aigis. Only one of these can be telling the truth.
We have 3 people claiming vanilla - me, Akihiko and Elizabeth. Only two of these can be telling the truth, of which I am one.
That's everyone in this game involved in a conflict besides Junpei who alone claimed Tracker. Wonderful.
i did not drop anything i at a doctor i heal people i cant drop them
I tracked you Koromaru night one. You did nothing.
nuuu i doctor pls
jnpy pls
Bugger off with your YOU HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND MITSURU Junpei, seriously. I am active when I can be.
Anyway, y'all wanted a response from me. I'm not really sure what I can say about this entire charade. You've all just been debating whether my claim is real - well it is, and there's really nothing else that can be said.
Junpei says that there was no reason for me to claim - well, this is town's last stand. He said I had a night action. Welp. That's already gonna have me topping suspicion lists, and looking at my history (ie great confidence in Theo's mafia position) I have little going in my favour. If I were to be offed (likely, especially if I had no comeback to the claim) then town would lose. Honestly, at this point we had little to lose. Might as well explain myself in full, take a chance. Worst case scenario, I get lynched and the town is boned.
I realised from the get go that this was a ridiculous thing, and I knew that there would be pushback from it being an absolutely outlandish claim. Believe me, this entire thing has caused me much undue stress. But, it's the hand I was dealt. Akihiko man, you gotta learn that the GM can make up whatever stipulations they want for roles, and just because you have never encountered it, doesn't make it wrong.
Anyway, Ken and Koromaru are Mafia. We have two of them under wraps. Ken probably could have gotten by by keeping his head down, but. There we go. At this point, I am confident that we have 2/3 mafia. This was town's last stand, but I can feel a comeback happening.
I am not 100% on the third though. Theo and Mitsuru being town really threw off all my thoughts on a lot of people.
Akihiko has been turned to 11 this entire game. Overzealous town? A mafioso hoping that being loud and obnoxious will take focus away from himself? I honestly, am not sure. He has thrown accusations at everyone. Covering all bases?
Aigis I am confident is our doc. Makes sense. His series of events lines up with how I agree things went.
Elizabeth I am unsure of. Not had much going on either way. Has spent today trying to make sense of this world we live in, which is completely understandable. But hasn't inputted too much to the conversation.
Junpei I have a lot of feelings about. And not the good social link kind. I'd be inclined to believe he was mafia if it weren't for his roleclaim. It is probably just me being bristly, though, because he refuses to get off my back and look at anyone else. Your accusations about me this entire game have actually been accusations that should have been levelled at Minato, which is something you have refused to acknowledge or even review, as far as I can tell. Given this, what reason do you have to believe Ken over me? What makes him more believable in his claim?
Ken Hahaha, cool beans man. Cool beans. You do you.
Koromaru Your roleclaim was your downfall, for a multitude of reasons. But, I think you are well and truly marked at this stage, so I have little more to say.
Shinjiro You have been sliding under the radar a lot. Although, I do have a gut feeling that you're town. But, as I say this I am doubting myself.
Argh I will need to think more on all this. We still have plenty of hours to go.
Uh oh, now I can't rag on Junpei for doing the same thing. I meant Minato. It's been a long day. xD
If Ken is Mafia I have no problem backing off Mitsuru. It could be the best claim Mafia could make as him being the cop takes any special circumstances off what Aigis has done. The thing that trips me up on it is that was when Koromaru gave his claim that backed up your lynch mob, and Aigis's claim backed up you thinking Theodore too. The first page says a town cop, yet the doctor had a special name so it could go that way for sure.
It's just very convenient. That being said what were the odds I checked Koromaru on day one, then Mafia role blocking me day 2 with a role claim as a cop and doctor directly after the fact which one was a bad claim. The other is up for grabs still.
It's relatively simple at the moment, really. As I outlined in my previous post, Junpei is essentially confirmed town, as there are only three Mafia and three role conflicts (please don't tell me one of the role conflicts is two townies at each other's throats). Junpei also said that Koromaru did nothing on Night 1, exposing Koromaru's doc claim as a lie. Unless I've gone wrong somewhere along the way (and if so please tell me!) it's a reliable conclusion that Koromaru is Mafia...
##Vote: Koromaru
...which in turn confirms Aigis as Town. From there though it gets more complicated. Aigis says she protected Mitsuru on Night 1 and there was no kill in Night 1. The two possibilities here are either A. Mitsuru was targeted during the night, or B. the Mafia did not target anybody. If Mitsuru was targeted during the night, that confirms Mitsuru's outlandish claim and Ken is another Mafia. If the Mafia did not target anybody, it opens up the possibility of Mitsuru being Mafia, although it doesn't automatically confirm it either. One thing though: if Mitsuru is Mafia, she is almost certainly the Roleblocker, having instantly dared to claim a certain night target to get his trust back when she thought Junpei tracked her, which Junpei could've easily confirmed or denied. It would've been great to know if Theodore had been the one who was blocked on Night 1... alas, he never spoke up about it. Which I suppose is a slight indicator that he was not roleblocked. Which in turn makes Mitsuru being Town a bit more credible.
And then at the other end of the spectrum you have me, Akihiko and Elizabeth. One Mafia hiding us, with admittedly zero truly reliable indicators as to who it is. My gut tells me it's Elizabeth, but I cannot deny the possibility of it being Akihiko either. Perhaps the investigative abilities can shed further light on this matter during the night?
##VC
| Day Three |
Twenty-four hours remain
Koromaru - 4 / 5 (Akihiko, Aigis, Elizabeth, Shinjiro)
Mitsuru - 1 / 5 (Akihiko, Ken)
Elizabeth - 0 / 5 (Akihiko)
(Junpei, Koromaru and Mitsuru are yet to vote)
Koromaru will be lynched if one more vote is placed on the mutt. You guys all have twenty-four hours remaining as we enter the second half of Day Three.
Just so Everyone knows, if someone investigated or had the Role Blocker target them and they are vanilla or did nothing they will not get told that happened. It just tells the person who committed the night action the results of the investigation. I know I was blocked on night 2 due to my action didn't fail but was Blocked.
If they had information that let them know they were checked out Koromaru would have known he was watched night one and never would have claimed doctor.
I keep going through the thread looking for new evidence, and to be honest I am only finding evidence that links Mitsuru as the Cop over Ken. I will drop my suspicions on Mitsuru now and with the evidence placed in front of me apologize for the head on attack. Let's work together to sniff out the 3rd mafia!
##vote: Koromaru
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Agreed with all of the above, but this third mafia sure is elusive.My gut still wants to go Akihiko. If he's town then he's done an excellent job until now of making him seem suspicious as all hell which is pretty unhelpful town behaviour honestly. I suspect if he is town then he'll likely survive the night since he's just done such a good job of sowing dissent and confusion and has really just put a target on his back all game.
So that would just leave Shinjiro and Elizabeth. I honestly don't get a huge mafia vibe from either, though it's a bit strange to me that he put a fourth vote on Koromaru. Then again, I'm assuming Koro can't actually vote for himself and the other two that haven't voted I'm convinced are town so it might have been an attempt to see if either would end the day early and curtail our search for info. Maybe a final loyalty check I guess you could say. It's about 15 hours later and it hasn't happened though so I guess test passed you two (though Ken can presently end things early).
I'm still leaning heavily Akihiko with Shinjiro and Elizabeth being distantly tied for second just because I haven't picked up on anything from them that seems scummy over the course of the game.
Speaking of Ken having the power to end things early up above, I'm going to ##unvote: Koromaru because I don't want the mafia to be able to shut things down yet. Where we're still mostly unsure of the third mafia, I think we're better off going the full time if we can just so we squeeze out every possible bit of information. I'm guessing we'll probably get nothing since things have quieted down, but I'll still take more discussion over less.
More discussion over less is why I haven't voted yet to end it. I would like to see more info and conversation from people yet all three of the towns in question have all gone silent.
Time and words are our best tool to snuff out and eliminate the mafia.
Okay guys, sorry I'm late to this. Let me see here.
Koromaru had 4 votes on himself. Koromaru then self-votes (which, while very unusual, is allowed). Day Three then terminates there. Despite Aigis attempting to unvote Koromaru, the Day ends immediately at a majority, so I'm afraid I cannot let vote stand, Aigis.
Therefore:
Day Three has ended. The write-up, reveal, and Night Three will commence shortly.
The only real points of contention are Ken vs Mitsuru as Cop, and Shinjiro vs Elizabeth as the Vanilla Town (from my point of view since I'm Vanilla town).
Mitsuru I'm aware that the host can make up their own stipulation regarding a role, however the condition you're describing isn't the way the sanity mechanic works with the Cop role. So forgive me for doubting your claim. I'm not going to deny that it could potentially exist, I'm just saying it seems very weird to me and maybe even a little suspicious.
I also find the fact that Koromaru came out and claimed Doctor within 15 minutes of your reveal as Cop kind of suspect. His claim just so happened to validate your investigations while simultaneously clearing himself. Either he was caught by the Cop and tried to take advantage of their investigation mechanic, or you were both in on it. I think the former is more likely to be the case.
The problem that we have now is that there's two false claims to check. Aigis will almost certainly be killed. The only confirmed role we have is Junpei as the Tracker. Aigis could opt to protect Junpei although I'm unsure if it prevents roleblocks. I've been trying to think of solutions as to how we could out a mafia with his ability, but every single possibility is full of holes. At this point it basically looks as though Junpei's ability is nearly useless.
The Poem for Everyone's Souls
Koromaru - 5 / 5 (Akihiko, Aigis, Elizabeth, Shinjiro, Koromaru)
Mitsuru - 1 / 5 (Akihiko, Ken)
Elizabeth - 0 / 5 (Akihiko)
(Junpei, Koromaru and Mitsuru are yet to vote)
(Aigis attempted to unvote Koromaru after the day had formally ended)
"Imma Doctor, pls." Hours of debating and role-play had led Koromaru to reveal his deepest, darkest secret: he can talk!
"Since when can a dog talk?" exclaimed several others in surprise.
"Jnpy, pls!" Koromaru pawed at Junpei to believe his role-claim.
Koromaru moved around the Velvet Room, carrying a stethescope around its neck to complete the facade. No-one was really buying it.
"A dog can't be a doctor! This isn't some lighthearted children's movie!" Almost immediately, everyone started declaring their votes for Koromaru. Knowing that this was the end - and that the dog doesn't always survive - Koromaru quickhammered himself. A majority was reached before the end of the day.
Not all dogs go to heaven.
Unsurprisingly, [M] Koromaru was a Mafia Goon played by Fynn!
Tonight ends in twenty-four hours, or when all night actions have been submitted (unless it is stated they wish to have room to reconsider in the PM).
This thread will reopen at 16:00 GMT to begin Day Four.
The mood was high after they successfully killed the traitorous mutt. Everyone decided to rest up for the next day of investigation, thoughts turning to who the other two members of Strega work.
Aigis decided to enter the Velvet Room's workshop to perform some maintenance on her sensors. Over the clattering of machinery and tools, she couldn't hear someone enter the room. Gripping a spanner, the assailant struck Aigis with a heavy blow across the head. Hammering blow after blow, Aigis eventually stopped functioning.
Just before dawn, I entered the workshop and found a mess. Nuts and bolts strewn across the floor. Aigis's shattered body lay prone against the floor, never to function again.
[M] Aigis was a Compulsive Doctor played by Vivi22!
| Day Four |
Today ends immediately when a majority is reached on either a player or the 'no lynch' option. If no majority is reached, the day will time out 48 hours from now (22:00 GMT, 24th).
The lynch cap for today is four.
So My tracking got blocked. Not surprised in the slightest.
You all need to know this right away. On a hunch, I did an investigation on Shinjiro during the night, and I found out he's mafia. So, that means that the two remaining mafia are Shinjiro and Mitsuru. I suppose there's a slim possibility that Mitsuru's just a vanilla townie claiming to be cop, but chances are she's mafia.
I'm going to open by voting for Shinjiro, but I'll switch to Mitsuru if more people vote for her.
##Vote: Shinjiro
Quick votes are a suspicious thing.
So here are my thoughts.
Town:
Mitsuru- Cop
Shijiro - Vanilla
Akihiko- Vanilla
Mafia:
Ken - Goon
Elizabeth - Role blocker
This is my list of roles and thoughts at the moment.
Mitsuru what are the results of your investigation in the night?
This whole game you have tried to accuse me of being mafia. This whole game you haven't had any reason to do so! You even said this yourself And now you think i'm the roleblocker of all people? Your whole logic was because I was tied to Mitsuru. You're convinced mitsuru is the true cop, which i'm not entirely sure about because of that weird role claim. But if i'm tied to mitsuru by your logic, how does that still make me mafia?
I don't want to lose my head and we lose the entire game because you can't find a reason to actually vote me. Come on.
Well then. I didn't think Mitsuru faking her claim was particularly likely, but it's nice to hear confirmation that she's the real cop. As Ken's claim to have investigated me and have it turn up Mafia is literally impossible unless he's an insane or paranoid cop and doesn't know it. Both are unlikely since Ken did not say anything about any other investigation targets (not even people he supposedly confirmed Town, by the way, just to mention that).
Still, just to have this remote possibility out of the way, Ken, who were your previous investigation targets?
These were my thoughts as of day 4. No clue if I am right as last night I tracked Elizabeth but was blocked again.
Shinjiro I believe you are town and so is Aikido. Mitsuru has a better claim to the Cop then Ken going through all the evidence from day one.
I think Elizabeth is the Role Blocker but it is a pure guess. Ken I believe is the goon but have no way to be sure of the mafia roles as they won't come right out and tell us.
My thoughts for day 4 voting.
If we vote Ken what will happen.
If he is Mafia:
Mitsuru is the conformed Cop.
Mafia is down to one member left.
Mitsuru is the night Kill by mafia as the highest power role town has left
If Ken is Town:
Ken would be the real Cop and town got hood winked.
I die at night as the last power role town has.
Mitsuru is Mafia.
Like I said after last night going over everything from day one on after the roll claims Mitsuru is the more likely Cop.
My thoughts are on voting Ken today, yet I do want to here Mitsuru's results first, also it would be nice to see the answer to Shinjiro's question to Ken.
Yeah but then why in the world would a cop be "insane" or sane based on a doctor protection. That just seems too out there. I mean I get the compulsory doctor. That just means the doctor has to use their power. That's nothing wacky like the doctor protection thing switches their role. All the rest of the roles have been just normal ones. I don't think such a wacky one fits right. I think that's the biggest thing that's hanging me up about Mitsuru's role claim.
I really don't feel like playing anymore, but I guess I'll stick with it.
We have to lynch one of the two cop claims today. It's the only surefire way we have of winning this game. If we lynch the fake cop, there's one mafia left. They'll probably kill the real cop or the tracker and roleblock the other (unless the fake cop is also the roleblocker).
Should we successfully lynch the roleblocker, the game is essentially over. The Tracker/Cop can just track Elizabeth or Shinjiro and whoever doesn't do anything is innocent (since the remaining mafia has to submit actions to kill).
Ken has to be the fake cop. He's been flying under the radar for almost all of the game throughout the bandwagon lynches (Yukari, Theodore, Koromaru). The reason I don't trust his claim whatsoever is because he didn't vote the confirmed scum Koromaru. Plus it makes absolutely no sense for the Mafia to not kill anyone on Night 1. We have confirmation from the real Doctor that Mitsuru was protected Night 1, meaning she was targeted by the Mafia. I would rather trust the Doctor's word and believe that a weird mechanic like Mitsuru's sanity exists. So I will be voting for Ken today.
I also think Elizabeth is Mafia #3. It has to be either her or Shinjiro, and I've gotten a fairly scummy vibe from her all game. I can elaborate on this later, but this is how I feel.
Just a quick post as I'm jetting to work - I investigated Elizabeth. She came up guilty. Now, I have no way of knowing whether Aigis protected me or what, but there we go.
Ken and Elizabeth are mafia. Let's get this party started.
##Vote: Ken
So let's get this show on the road.
##Vote: Ken
Are you sure you don't want to deliberate further? Me and you pretty much decide this game, considering it's Ken and Elizabeth vs Mitsuru and Shinjiro.
Although I'm not sure if there's a whole lot to talk about at this point. All there is left to do is decide whether or not we chose the right person.
That's all what is left ya. I am tossing my lot in with Mitsuru. Ken has been very quiet, also hasn't fished for any information. Hasn't tried to debate anything. I'm sure ken is the mafia over Mitsuru.
Yeah. If Ken flips mafia then Mitsuru is the real cop and therefore Elizabeth is the final mafia. So the game is definitely decided here.
##Vote: Ken
I agree with this too it is decided here and now. Day 4 is either town win or mafia. Shinjiro was waiting on Ken to respond, but he may be waiting a while as Ken has almost gone into hiding.
Yeah but doesn't it sound awfully convenient that Mitsuru happened to investigate me? The person you apparently all suspect for a reason you still haven't even mentioned yet. You're just hoping you're right. But you're not. Are you guys really willing to stake the town on this without considering she's lying? If ken flips town, that means we lose the game.
Also timeline wise, I think "ken" is at work? Every day time he's been inactive and come back saying he's been at work. So you guys are rushing to end this day because a) you believe a convenient lie and b) someone has real life obligations
We're screwed. We're losing. Town is done. ugh.
Like I said, I have no way of knowing whether Aigis protected me before she was done in. So, I am straight up admitting my investigation on you could be completely wrong. Unfortunately we have no way of knowing for sure. However your objections are incredibly desperate, which makes me ponder. Also:
How do you know? Maybe Junpei had a stipulation, and he chose not to reveal it. Maybe the mafia do as well. How do you know none of the other roles have a twist?
Anyway. Ken won't flip town, because he's lying. If he flips town then he was a moron for claiming cop too.
My only other thought on the matter is his vote on Shinjiro. Why Shinjiro? Is it a bluff to try and get us to get rid of Shinjiro? Or is it a double-bluff so we will continue to overlook a mafia-aligned Shinjiro? Reading over the post, I am inclined to believe the former.
Just FYI, Shinjiro:
So according to Ken he investigated Minato, Aigis and now yourself.
Well I assume that because all the deaths have correlated with the initial post's list. And the claims have all went that way too except yours. That's why your role claim is just so weird.
I am sure that if I were to be killed, it would say "Town Cop", just like it says in the OP. In my initial role PM, it says I am the Town Cop - followed up by the descriptor. The flavour would be revealed after the end of the game, I'd imagine, when the host posts the role PMs.
Yet, here you are confident that there is no other flavour to any of the other roles. Which makes no sense, really. Unless you have seen another PM detailing a role, which had no extra flavour to it. Huh, I wonder why that could be...
That's a bit of a stretch to say to fit your narrative. I wouldn't say I'm "confident " about it. Come on, mitsuru. Here I just said it's weird and strange. That's confidence?
This just conveniently fits too well. I'm sorry mitsuru, come on. You have to admit your role claim is weird and doesn't quite fit.
Thanks Mitsuru, I remembered him talking about investigating Aigis after making that post, though I didn't quite recall him saying he investigated Minato. Well, would've also been a certain kind of fun to see if he still remembered that claim, heh.
Either way, Elizabeth. Let me ask you one thing: Why do you think the Doctor in this game was a Compulsive Doctor? Why wouldn't it just be a normal Doctor? It could just be a coincidence. But there could also be a reason for it. And the most reasonable reason for it is that it relates to another person's role. It makes sense that the Doctor would be compulsive if there was a role in the game that relied on the doctor's action.
So why is Elizabeth defending Ken for Ken?
Trout went down whilst I was at work, I see. Okay, let's dismantle these lies.
It isn't impossible, because you're mafia. And how convenient for you to "forget" the first post where I revealed myself as cop. Why would you do that except to cast false suspicion on me?
I CLEARLY spell out who I investigated and when. Just like I said, revealing myself as cop has made me a target, with Shinjiro and Mitsuru leading the charge.
Oh wait I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were suggesting I was lying about that role.
I think it was compulsive to make sure people aren't inactive.
Shinjiro's just spinning the Compulsive Doctor thing as something which had to be linked to another role, which is rubbish. It doesn't say "Crazy Cop" in the opening descriptor, even though it does say "Compulsive Doctor". That's because the cop ISN'T crazy. That's just something Mitsuru made up in order to render her false "investigations" credible.
Look, it's awfully convenient that Mitsuru's claims have just happened to work out for her to point the finger away from her.
It's awfully convenient that now, where it's lynch or lose, she points the finger at me. I understand ken because him being the possible cop means she isn't one. I get that. But so far you guys thought I was scummy for no reason, Junpei said so themselves. You lot set it up for her to swing in with the "Elizabeth is guillty" line and so we're screwed because I know I'm town. If I know I'm town then I know the investigation Mitsuru put on me is a lie. Unless Aigis protected her in the night for some reason. And she's telling the truth about her role.
As of right now. I know i'm innocent and if i'm innocent, she's lying, that makes ken the actual cop. If she's not lying, then she had the Doctor protection.
Looks like our mafia duo is still feverishly at work trying to save their game.
Lmao, this isn't at all what compulsive means in this context. If it were, why wouldn't the Cop also be compulsive? You don't want an inactive Cop, right? You're grasping at straws.
Except town isn't told whether their cop is sane or insane unless there are multiples of the role. So it just being labelled as "Cop" in this instance makes complete sense.
How would you two explain the lack of a kill on Night 1? Did you guys just forget to attack? Or did Aigis make a lucky guess?
Shinjiro IS mafia, and Mitsuru is either mafia or a townie giving the rest of us the finger and trying to make mafia win.
Honestly, I can't remember if Aigis said she protected someone. But either she did, or Shinjiro, Mitsuru and Koromaru deliberately chose not to kill on Night One.
This is very important. The real Tracker and the real Cop will survive after this lynch, and so when they both target you, they'll likely be able to confirm whether you are town or not.
The true nightmare scenario is if Aigis, for some reason, protected Mitsuru again last night and gave her a false result. The mafia Roleblocker survives this phase, and blocks one of the power roles while killing the other. Then we're left with no hard evidence and have to go to a 50/50 lynch between Shinjiro and Elizabeth tomorrow.
That's a pretty scary scenario.
I know I'm posting a lot. But that's because you're all on the verge of making a terrible mistake. One wrong vote now, and Shinjiro and Mitsuru win.
Just look at Shinjiro's voting record. Day one votes Theodore, a town. When that fails, he votes Theodore again day two. Only on day three does he vote Koromaru, and only after Koromaru made himself suspicious by falsely claiming Doctor.
I have no idea! I don't know what happened. I do know what I do know. Which is I'm innocent. Meaning whatever Mitsuru is saying is off.
Agreed.
Why would shinjiro push the lynch vote to 4/5 so koromaru could pop in and shut the day down? Is that not strange? We didn't know it was possible, mod ruled it was. Up until that point, we were working on drawing the rest of the mafia out. Only thing I can think of is that it was a tactic.
I'm just going with the hard evidence here. The Mafia failed to kill someone on Night 1, and we have confirmation from the Doctor that he protected Mitsuru on that night. This leads to the conclusion that she has to be Town.
The Mafia not choosing to kill someone on Night 1 would be an incredibly dumb move. Even if they actually did, and I end up being wrong, I still think this is the correct call.
And RIGHT AFTER he votes Koromaru, Koromaru self votes, bringing the day to a close before either he or Mitsuru come under any suspicious. It was obviously pre-arranged between them, which could only be done if they're both mafia.
Would not killing anyone night one really be such a dumb move? Played out pretty well for them. The day after, all suspicion turned to Theodore.
They would also know that there was a chance that the doctor would protect one of them night one. And if no-one died, the doctor would then believe that they had saved that person, thereby "proving" that that person was town. They were playing the odds.
And has no-one noticed that as soon as the heat turns to them, they disappear? I know from personal experience that real life can get in the way of posting, but there's been a definite pattern with those two over the four days: someone raises a suspicion about them, and they vanish.
As opposed to you who refused to vote for a 100% confirmed mafia?
The part that makes me distrust you is that you're kind of blindly defending Ken right now. Should he prove to be mafia, I'm almost 100% going to lynch you tomorrow (barring our power roles being able to provide other information).
It was 5 hours afterwards that Koromaru voted. Not "right after."
I don't know, maybe you can tell me if you thought it was a dumb move for you or not?
You distrust me because I know mitsuru's verdict is wrong and therefore if she's lying, ken would be cop? Is that really a hard leap of logic?
Shinjiro and Mitsuru are also clearly co-ordinating their votes. Each day, they've voted for the same person. On Day Two, one voted, and the VERY NEXT thing the other did was vote for the same person.
They clearly thought that Theodore had a role. They built up the suspicion in Day One, tactically didn't kill in Night One in order to trick Aigis into trusting Mitsuru, then picked up right where they left off in Day Two, and got Theo lynched.
Here's the scenario:
I'm town. That's the constant I know.
- If i'm town this means Mitsuru's claim of my guilt is wrong.
- Either Mitsuru is mafia
- Or mitsuru got protected
- If Mitsuru is mafia, ken is cop
- If Mitsuru isn't mafia, and just happened to be protected by aigis, then ken is mafia.
I don't think Aigis would have screwed with her investigation like that if he thought she was the actual cop. So if he didn't protect her, then her finger pointing on me is wrong.
To me, that's more guilt toward her than ken's claim against Shinjiro. So i'm inclined to believe him over her.
So far your logic has been "they posted a few posts words on the day 0 checking in day, it means they're mafia!" "no lynch is mafia!" (it wasn't) "They made a number typo! MAFIA!"
Sorry If I don't quite put much faith in how you come to your conclusions and a-ha moments....
Right, but if Aigis did protect Mitsuru, then that would keep 2 power roles in the game and give her a false investigation on you. Which would therefore still make you town and her the real cop.
The results from today will speak for themselves either way.
Where has this Ken been all game? The only time you've been active was on Day 2 when Aigis called you out. You didn't really offer anything meaningful either, you just kind of showed up to prove you were active and then disappeared again. Day 1 and 3 you were totally absent.
Here we are on Day 4 where your ass is on the line, and now all of a sudden you want to start scumhunting and playing the game? It's very inconsistent and not town behavior at all.
In retrospect, I should have put two and two together and figured it out. That's on me. It was late and I was tired.
This looks just like a mafia scramble
Day 3, I was deliberating whether or not to reveal myself as cop. I was worried that EXACTLY THIS would happen: two silver-tongued mafia painting me as the villain.
You'd rather I just shut up, get lyched and let town lose? No way.
Mitsuru has still contributed every day, and provided information which lead to Koromaru being mafia.
Technically the game was at stake yesterday as well. It was a mislynch or lose scenario. Yet you were nowhere to be found.
Yeah, pretty much.
To be clear, which two mafia are you referring to?
I've confirmed Shinjiro as mafia. I'm 90% certain that Mitsuru's mafia. Either that or she's just a massive troll.
I know the second I voted Elizabeth I started getting blocked on tracking bye the Role Blocker. Elizabeth then scrambled to save Ken showing a connection, is it just me or does this all seem to add up.
Okay so if we lynch Ken and he's mafia. That means Mitsuru is town. I can only think then that Aigis protected her before the mafia killed them. Maybe night actions work that way? Whoever submits first? I mean he couldn't protect himself.
Ken is looking desperate here.
While mitsuru has been pretty calm about it all.
I don't know what to think! I know i'm missing something here!
Oh, trout, I think I've made a mistake. I think maybe Mitsuru is a town troll.
Elizabeth's a mafia. She's been trying to make me trust her by going along with my suspicions of Mitsuru.
Mitsuru, for whatever reason, is a townie who lied about being cop. Shinjiro and Elizabeth are the mafia.
You've got to switch to Shinjiro or Elizabeth, or we're screwed.
Mitsuru, I don't know why you falsely claimed cop, but you've got to get over it. It's too late in the game for random trolling. Admit you're vanilla, and vote for Shinjiro or Elizabeth.
You were laying low on day 1 and 2. I thought you had a role too. It's why I didn't challenge you when you first started pointing fingers at me. I didn't want to possibly cast suspicions your way and you get bandwagoned like what happened to Yukari.
Here's even what I posted then.
I didn't know if you were mafia or town at that point but I was thinking you were something.
So they probably just guessed and then you confirmed yourself on day 3. That's not surprising for night 4. Now what's probably happened is they were banking on this confusion between Mitsuru and Ken. And that Ken could swing this. So you were probably the easier target again. But how would they know that mitsuru would have targeted me and it came out the way it did? Argh this doesn't make sense!
What is happening!
Is it just a thing for the mafia to go crazy before they get lynched? if you starts mitsur plsing i'm going to kick someone
Honestly, I'm almost tempted to just vote Ken and lock down the vote because I know he will flip Mafia (mind you, if I actually was Mafia and Ken was not, the Mafia would win with this move), but there's something I would still like to bring up.
I consider it quite possible that Aigis protected Mitsuru during the night, flipping her sanity and magically making a Town Elizabeth into a Mafia, in which case we still don't have any testimony to go on regarding the identity of the scum among the three claimed Townies. And while I was pretty tempted to just stay quiet about this for the greater good (because I really am Town), a Mafia accusing another Mafia is a perfectly valid strategy in the late stages of a game - see the FF IX game.
Unfortunately, if Ken is not the roleblocker, the lone remaining roleblocker can kill and block the Tracker and Cop respectively, leaving the final decision of the scum between the three of us down to plain ol' talking. And I still consider it possible that Akihiko is just a very skilled Mafia player taking full advantage of a bit of good luck. Thankfully this day has reassured me a bit regarding Elizabeth being the guilty party; hell it makes me think Ken is the roleblocker and she knows she will certainly lose if he dies now. Still, just for the sake of covering all bases, Junpei and Mitsuru, have you considered the possibility of Akihiko being the real Mafia, and if so, did you already discard it (and if yes, for what reasons)?
Oh my god. I'm an idiot. Igor PM'd me days ago, but I didn't notice it and didn't read it. I'm NOT just a regular cop. I'm a "Corrupt Cop": when mafia roleblock me, rather than me getting no investigation results, my investigation results get switched. A mafia result becomes a town result and vice versa.
This changes everything. I'm almost certain that Shinjiro ISN'T mafia now. After I revealed myself as cop, I must have been roleblocked by mafia the next night, making Shinjiro appear as mafia rather than town.
What?! What even is that claim?
Did you guys make some pack to act like complete loons when you get caught?
Okay Yeah Ken's for sure mafia this is ridiculous
Nice try, but Junpei was the one who was roleblocked, and he's all but confirmed Town. If he's actually lying about being roleblocked, he's Mafia, and the real Tracker is pretty silly for not speaking up all this time. I think that's a notion we can safely discard.
Oh, what's the point?
Come on townies, vote for me if you dare.
Ken's posts have more holes than Swiss cheese.
Problem there Ken is I was the one Role Blocked. It's been documented.
Well that confirms that.
I'm just too badass to maintain the townie facade any longer. Gangsta till I'm dead.
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Alrighty then. Anything we still need to talk about this day phase?
#Vote Ken
Goddamnit not again.
Seeya Ken.
Day Four has ended. The write-up, reveal, and Night Four will commence shortly.
Ken - 4 / 4 (Mitsuru, Junpei, Akihiko, Ken)
Shinjiro - 0 / 4 (Ken)
(Shinjiro did not vote)
The day started where the last day ended, with claiming and debating and tomfoolery. The main focus of interest was Ken and Mitsuru’s claim that their persona could investigate.
Ken had always been quieter than the others, working on his school homework even during such life-threatening situations. It piqued my interest early on. Just what was little Ken scribbling in his notebook?
Eventually, Mitsuru's accusations won out over Ken's protestations. Akihiko pulled Ken's homework from his grasp, and revealed the awful truth: it wasn't remedial math homework Ken was working on, it was execution methods, all scribbled out in macabre fashion, complete with violently penciled out stick figures.
"They were just theoretical!" Ken proclaimed. The wanderings of an absent mind. The remaining S.E.E.S members forced Ken into a corner. "You can't kill me! I'm a child! The age rating would skyrocket!"
"Good thing it's offscreen!" said Akihiko. They moved in to lynch.
"You'll never take me alive!" Ken cackled, brandishing a machine-gun seemingly out of nowhere. Everyone ducked for cover, behind Igor's sofa, behind the curtains, anything. Expending an entire barrel, Ken realised he failed to shoot anyone.
In the throes of madness, Ken burst into hysterical laughter as he opened the elevator grate. He rushed me, looking to throw me out. I sidestepped, and Ken fell to his death, laughing all the awhile. What a troubled child.
In the end, it was another success. Only one Strega member remained.
[M] Ken was a Mafia Goon played by Mr. Carnelian!
Tonight ends in twenty-four hours, or when all night actions have been submitted (unless it is stated they wish to have room to reconsider in the PM).
This thread will reopen at 20:10 GMT to begin Day Five.
Dead, as before. S.E.E.S was getting quite proficient as this, such as it was with only four members remaining. It was night soon, and goodness knows what would happen overnight. Everyone departed once more to their private rooms, their nerves fraught with fear. There was once eleven of them: now only five remained.
Mitsuru was exhausted. She promptly fell asleep, and thus didn't hear anyone enter her room. Her attacker crept quietly towards her, and delivered a single, precise strike to the head. Dead.
In the morning, I summoned everyone into the main room to begin the next day's deliberations. When Mitsuru didn't show, I already knew. Strega had fought back.
[M] Mitsuru was an Edgy Cop played by Shauna!
| Day Five |
Final Day
Today ends immediately when a majority is reached on either a player or the 'no lynch' option. If no majority is reached, the day will time out 48 hours from now (23:50 GMT, 25th).
The lynch cap for today is three.
Today is the final day.
Assuming 'No Lynch' is not chosen, Day Five is the final day. If it is chosen, then Day Six will be the final day. Other than that, I think you all knows what must be done.
Good luck, everyone!
Well I'm screwed now. I was the only one questioning her and happened to be the one she looked at the day before. If this isn't a frame job, I don't know what is.
Ugh. This game has been so ridiculous.
Elizabeth is the final mafia.
##Vote: Elizabeth
Now if she actually isn't... Well played whoever is.
Junpei, what was your results?
It was blocked for the 4th straight time.
Also what's your reasoning for me again? You've failed to provide one for five days now. You're probably the reason I'm going to get lynched and town will lose. So. Thanks for that.
You were blocked, again? Thats... convenient for you.
Come now Elizabeth. If you really are the final Town among us, your allies are me and Junpei. Putting Junpei in doubt is not going to help you in any way =P
I'm just frustrated he's getting me killed because he's had it out for me all game!
I'm willing to bet the game she is the final one. It showed today when Ken was on his was out and all the sudden it was a switch, and a self vote. It was a desperate attempt to give mafia one more chance.
Yall set it up perfectly for them to frame me. And honestly that is not cool in my books. :(
Really? Cause the option was either Ken was lying or mitsuru was. When one calls me guilty and points a finger. Of course I'm not going to agree with that. Come on.
What has been your reason to suspect me? You haven't given one for five days. And yet now you're absolutely sure even though you've been blocked for the past 3 nights. Come on. This is like besting my head on a wall in frustration with you people!
I never set it up. You set it up defending the last mafia when you didn't think he was around in the game. You tried to get a swing vote away to wrap up a win. The roll Blocker has blocked me most of the game, funny enough it was the time I said you were mafia.
I tried to keep you guys from bandwagoning so we could figure out who the mafia was! I didn't push that lynch Viterbo that far so he could self vote. The only power we have is talking and you guys tried to rush it.
Sorry, typo. Am on my phone.
First off, I thought you were a role, I avoided adressing your claim then because I didn't know which role you were. You can think you were special enough that your random "I have no reason to suspect her but she's mafia" was valid enough to deserve a block but that's not true because I didn't block you. That next day though, you confirmed your role. So it was probably luck or they thought along the lines I thought when I posted about you on day 2. You made yourself a target. None of that is my fault.
You guys are going to make a mistake again like you did with Theo and Yukari. Obviously you are all convinced my my guilt. There's nothing I can do. We're gonna lose when we're so close to winning. All because it has been convenient to point at me.
You got lucky, junpei, with your Koro trick. Had he not claimed, I would have pressed you hard had you got mitsuru killed because you lied. You don't lie in this game. Mafia lie. Had Koro not claimed, that would have put you in a bad light. Sorry if I don't entirely trust your judgement.
Whatever, if you're all so convinced I'm mafia because I defend myself, I'm obviously wasting my time trying to prove otherwise. We're going to lose anyway so I might as well go enjoy something.
I'm gonna go play portal 2 for the first time. We'll I've played some of the coop before but not the single player. So whatever, vote me, don't vote me. At this point nothing I can say will change any of your minds.
So happy losing day! Ugh
There is one thing I wondered about Shin day 4 as he knew the Roleblocker had the ability to kill, and block. Is that a always rule as I was blocked, and Mitsuru died. Just going through my head as I am reading through day 4 again.
This right here is the reason why I think Elizabeth is Mafia.
If she were really town, there should be no way that she trusts me. I wasn't cleared by anyone, and Ken's claim of Shinjiro as Mafia was dubious. She should have been suspicious of his claim just as she should have been suspicious of my claim of being Vanilla Town. Yet she only seemed to push the idea of Shinjiro as Mafia because Ken came out and said he was.
It's entirely possible that Shinjiro is playing the long con. But I just don't believe Elizabeth at this point. We also have a result from the real Cop that she is Mafia. Unless she was protected by Aigis (in which case god damn you), the game should be over.
Who said I trust you?
At the time I was inclined to think Ken was the real cop since mitsuru was targeting me. So if I thought Ken was real than his target would be.....
I highly doubt Aigis protected Mitsuru due to the fact he knew he was finished come night as the doctor and that would make her lose the ability to research properly. He also wouldn't be able to tell her he flipped it. The player of Aigis is a very intelligent person. He would have thought of that I think.
Yes we can. I already dropped my vote down on that, and on my gut.
...nope. No matter how I twist and turn it, I just cannot see Akihiko as being the final Mafia. Mostly for the simple reason that his interactions with Ken and Koromaru are just too smurfing convincing.
##Vote: Elizabeth
Aw smurf it.
##Vote: Elizabeth
The Final Day Has Ended.
Elizabeth - 3 / 3 (Junpei, Shinjiro, Akihiko)
(Elizabeth did not vote)
"It was you, wasn't it?"
The accusation came swiftly, like a knife cutting through lies. After five days of subterfuge and mystery, the remaining S.E.E.S members declared their final vote within a few hours.
Elizabeth was mortified. They got it wrong, she said. You had to listen to me, she said. I wanted to believe her. My loyal assistant after all this time couldn't be a member of Strega. And yet, in the back of my mind, it all made sense.
The furtive glances. The secretive page flicking. When she rubbed Koromaru's belly, I almost thought she was whispering to him. She offered to help with Ken's 'homework'. Clarity poured through everyone's minds as we all helped deliver the killing blow.
I congratulated the survivors, though that seemed hollow. The elevator shuddered briefly as it rolled to a stop. They asked what was going on, and I said simply that they had reached their destination. The elevator opened to a white light, and the S.E.E.S members - bloodied, tired and demoralised - stepped out to see what was in front of them.
[M] Elizabeth was a Mafia Roleblocker played by Freya!
Thank you all so much for playing! I had a blast as host. The discussion thread will remain open so everyone can pile in and discuss the game in forensic detail!
As for this thread, I will be posting Role PMs, and be revealing the full extent of the Night Actions to you all in a little while.
You better post my night action PMS lol
~ Records of Truth ~
Part One
Vivi22
Quote:
Hey Vivi!
You are playing as [M] Aigis during this game.
You are a Compulsive Doctor!
Win Conditions:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
Once per night you must target a player to be protected, this will protect them from one kill for one night. The targeted player is not informed that they were protected. You will not be informed if you protected the player from a kill.
If you do not choose to protect a player, this action will be randomised for you.
FFNut
Quote:
Hey Nutty!
You are playing as [M] Junpei in this game.
You are a Town Tracker!
Win Conditions:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
Each night, you may choose to investigate one player in the game, discovering which player they targeted (if they did).
The Summoner of Leviathan
Quote:
Hey TSoL!
You are playing as [M] Yukari in this game.
You are playing as a Vanilla Townie!
Win Conditions:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
You have none. Use the power of your mind and deduction to lynch your way to victory!
Karifean
Quote:
Hey Karifean!
You are playing as [M] Shinjiro in this game.
You are a Vanilla Townie!
Win Conditions:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
You have no abilities, your strength is your vote and intellect.
Shauna
Quote:
Hey Shauna!
You are playing as [M] Mitsuru in this game.
In this game, you play the role of the Town Cop. There is a twist to the normal format, so read the description carefully.
Win Conditions:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
Each night you may target a player to be inspected, thus discovering their alignment. Mognet me your target. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing either Innocent or Guilty.
Your sanity is altered depending on whether or not the Doctor is protecting you or not.
Laddy
Quote:
Dear Laddy,
It's great that you're playing! Here's the details below.
You are playing as [M] Theodore.
Your role in this game is as a Vanilla Townie.
Win Conditions
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities
You have no abilities, your strength is your vote and intellect.
Scruffington
Quote:
Dear Scruffy!
Great that you're playing again!
You are playing as [M] Akihiko.
In this game, you are a Vanilla Townie.
Win Conditions
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities
You have no abilities, your strength is your vote and intellect.
Huckleberry Quin
Quote:
Hey Quin!
You are playing as [M] Minato in this game. Ooh, the hero, look at you!
Your role in this game is Vanilla Townie.
Win Conditions
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities
You have no abilities, your strength is your vote and intellect.
Elizabeth
Quote:
Hey Freya!
You are playing as [M] Elizabeth in this game.
You are part of Strega - specifically you are...
...a Mafia Roleblocker.
Win Conditions
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities
You may PM your fellow scum, Fynn/Koromaru and Mr. Carnelian/Ken.
You have a factional night-kill meaning that each night one of you may night-kill a player. You must choose which one of you will do this and PM me.
Once per night you may target a player, thus blocking all role traits for the current night phase. The targeted player will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Blocked]. You must PM me to tell me who you wish to block.
Fynn (formerly Bubba)
Mr. CarnelianQuote:
Hey Fynn!
You are playing as [M] Koromaru in this game.
You are a member of Strega in this game, specifically you are...
...a Mafia Goon.
Win Conditions
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities
You may PM your fellow scum, Freya/Elizabeth and Mr.Carnelian/Ken.
You have a factional night-kill meaning that each night one of you may night-kill a player. You must choose which one of you will do this and PM me.
Quote:
Hey Carny,
You are [M] Ken. You're a Mafia Goon.
Win Conditions:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
You may PM your fellow scum, Freya/Elizabeth and Fynn/Koromaru.
You have a factional night-kill meaning that each night one of you may night-kill a player. You must choose which one of you will do this and PM me.
~ Records of Truth ~In this section, each night event that had previously been hidden will be revealed. An overall summation of the Day/Night phase will also be shown via the spreadsheet I kept changing over the course of the game (thanks Akihiko).
Part Two
Right, let's get on with it.
Day One, Night One
Attachment 71728
Night Actions:
- Aigis does a lucky protection on Mitsuru, which turns the cop paranoid for that night.
- This stymies Ken's efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
- Junpei tracks Koromaru, who lays low for tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Igor
- Mitsuru investigates Theodore, but this backfires because of the Doctor's protection.
- There's a roleblock for Shinjiro by Elizabeth, as they believed him to have some form of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Igor
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Elizabeth
Day Two, Night Two
Attachment 71729
Night Actions:
- On the Second Night, Aigis protects Koromaru, which achieves nothing.
- Koromaru is investigated, which makes the next day very interesting.
- For the second time, Ken initiates the killing. This goes through, and Minato is killed.
- Elizabeth decides to block Junpei, and does so persistently until the very end.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ken
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Elizabeth
Day Three, Night Three
Attachment 71730
Night Actions:
- On the Third Night, Aigis protects Junpei, allowing Mitsuru to come up with a sane result. This protection does end up doing nothing, however.
- Ken kills Aigis.
- Once more, Junpei is blocked by Elizabeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ken
Day Four, Night FourQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Elizabeth
Attachment 71731
Night Actions:
- Aigis is dead, and thus can no longer protect Elizabeth's kill towards Mitsuru.
- Mitsuru investigates Shinjiro (which would have turned up innocent), but this is never completed.
- Yet again, Junpei's tracking is blocked by Elizabeth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Elizabeth
The Final Day
Attachment 71732
- No night actions. Elizabeth is summarily lynched by the remaining three Town.
The entire spreadsheet can be downloaded for your viewing pleasure, if you wish.