she's deffo caps lock bad
too bad she's 100% gonna live to the end of the series
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she's deffo caps lock bad
too bad she's 100% gonna live to the end of the series
She's not capslock bad. The show is leaving the door open for speculation on her potential be a conqueror instead of a ruler, and I think it could satisfactorily go either way. I've been speculating since last season that Dany might end up being the true big bad, but we're only seeing shades of that as of now.
Can you just restate that you don't like Emilia Clarke's acting, and that helps propel your anti-Daenerys bias.
Lol. Do I really need to restate that I don't like Emilia Clarke's acting? Have I not stated that enough?
Tbf, she was extremely charming this episode. She does happy SO much better than strong/intimidating/distraught.
No you've been very subtleQuote:
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Just like Emilia Clarke's acting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf LeonhartNo you've been very subtleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
badum tish
This isn't anything new for Daenerys. She was a complete trout to everyone in Meereen and bullied, threatened and ultimately destroyed them with her dragons. I know nobody really gave a trout because they were all Bad Guys (even Hizdahr who was actually a pretty decent dude all things considered but nah smurf him) and we just wanted Daenerys to come to Westeros already but this is who she is. You can't suddenly be all shocked that she's being a twatbucket to the Good Guys now too.
Wasn't last season, where she spent a whole episode alternating between threatening Jon and invoking the Targaryen name at him enough of a hint? Or what she did to the Tarlys despite being repeatedly advised not to do so?
Agreed. She doesn't have a personality suited to ruling and her actions over 7 seasons bear that out. Saying that, I don't think Jon's naivety makes him a suitable candidate either. I think the show will inevitable play it safe though and have one or the other.
Erm, not to poke a sleeping Drogon here... but I don't actually think Emelia Clarke is a bad actor! Don't get me wrong, she's not gonna win any awards and she's outshone by plenty of other characters due to the general standard of acting being extremely high. She gets far too much s*** though for being terrible when in reality she's just average.
Harry Strickland/Faegon/Real Aegon is going to come in at the final hour and take his throne. And tell both Dany and Jon to shut the smurf up.
I used to think that Jon not wanting to made him a good leader. And in some ways it does--he considers every decision carefully and does what he really thinks is the best option. Instead of more power-hungry people who don't care who their decisions affect, or assume that they're right simply because they're the ones doing it. But him giving up his crown and the trust of a region of people who have dealt with a lot of brutality over the last decade simply because he didn't want to rule anymore was a pretty terrible thing to do, honestly.
Also, do you think we'll see any of Meereen this season? Once the White Walkers are defeated and the final act between Jon and Dany plays out? I'd like to see how absolutely badly Daario is smurfing things up across the Narrow Sea. It'll probably be a dropped plotline, though.
Yeah, I doubt we'll see any more of Meereen. It would be interesting to see what happened but I think the most we'll get is a 2-3 second shot during a montage as Jon and Dany embark on a year-long parade across the entirety of Essos.
Also, seeing as no-one major died during the first episode, could I still submit some predictions? I've actually run the one at my office so already have all my answers prepared :-)
If you used the list I provided, sure, I'm okay with you hopping in now. Or anyone else if they'd like, but I absolutely will not take any more predictions after this week.
Brill, I'll get them sent over in a jiffy :)
Didn't realize there was a prize involved. I'm only playing for pride anyway as I don't have a Steam account.
I actually have another prize in mind for the winner.
Goodafternoon fella's ... yes, its me.. i have returned...
.... to post GoT meme's .
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Game of Phones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=e4-R3JvGdJs
Anyway: solid opener for this season in my opinion.
i cried a little when the Dragons got their introduction.
Just coming here to smugly say the title to this thread is technically incorrect. :shobon:
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Yes please! Edited the post you were responding to.Quote:
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TODAY IS THE DAY
The first episode was okay. It's nice to have GoT back on the box again, even if it is very predictable these days.
I won't get into death predictions since I missed that boat but I'll make a couple of plot predictions:
I think Cersei slept with Euron so that if she has that baby, she can claim it's from him and NOT from Jamie, at least in public. She's already fully hated by most of the world. Saying she had ANOTHER incest baby will probably cause what's left of KL to tear down the castle.
The Hound is definitely burning down The Mountain, in a poetic end to the Zombie.
Something tells me Bronn may end up killing Jamie "Only I get to kill ya" but sparing Tyrion and only taking half of the coin. Leaves half for the "half-man". Or in the end he saves the Lannister brothers from some other Cersei plot.
Dany is going to try to go full Mad Queen, especially when she finds out Jon has a better claim than her. I wonder how the reveal happens about his background? Something tells me Jon won't just tell her right away, but maybe it gets revealed when the Dragons listen to his commands over hers? Also, is Rheagal now bonded with Jon because he flew on him?
I think The Night King is after Bran, either because they are the same or because Bran is the only one who knows how to restore the peace. However, not sure Bran lives to figure this all out.
I also don't think Arya makes it to the end but Sansa almost certainly does. She may end up ruling in the end because she has taken all the lessons from everyone: Cersei, Littlefinger, the Tyrells, Tyrion, The Starks and found the right amount of steel with honor.
The entire Night's King plot is wrapped up by episode 4 and Cersei makes it all the way to the end only to die when she thinks she has achieved ultimate victory. She has always been the best villain of the series so she needs to have one final moment.
By the end of the series, all the magic (Jon/Beric, The Dragons, the WW, Bran) will have ceased to be as the breaking of the wheel means that destiny is firmly in the hands of humans. Also, the show will end on some sort of easter egg that ties into the new prequel show, either involving Bran's time traveling or something that lays the groundwork for the next plot.
Time to sit back and enjoy!
Take care all.
Freya has to be splooshing. She got her wish! Although seeing Maisie Williams naked felt wrong.
I knew the moment Sansa and Theon saw each other they were pushing the romance angle with them. And honestly? I kind of love it. After everything they went through together, after everything she went through at the hands of men who hurt her...idk. I'm digging this.
I love, love, LOVED the scenes of the gang drinking in front of the fire. They were "pointless" scenes, but definitely made me just love them all. Jaime, Davos, and Tormund are three of my top faves (really, I ranked them in a 'name your 5 top faves' thing last week with some friends), and having them all together felt so loving. And seeing these people put aside their differences and just enjoy these last moments together. Also, Tyrion pouring Pod's cup to full hit home in a weird way, because it reminded me of the first time I got drunk. My mom told my stepdad to pour me half drinks, but he did the same thing Tyrion did in secret. Idk. A weird, but touching moment. Don't @ me.
Sam and Gilly looking at each other over a sleeping Little Sam. Beautiful.
Seeing Dany eat her pie, though? *chef kiss* Best part of the whole damn thing.
Honestly, I smurfing loved this episode. I'm probably a normie for loving it, but it did what they meant to do: emotionally manipulate the trout out of me so I can see the people I love be destroyed (either by death, or by breaking hearts) next week.
Just noticed the thread title: v v legit. Absolutely why he got those ladies for free.
I yelled at the tv "I smurfing called it!" my mom got mad at me for cussing (she's joined our viewing party) and then she acted all awkward but yeah it was a little awkward because we saw that character grow up but i'm happy that ship panned out.
Yeah and Sansa being nice to Dany and Dany starting to bond until Sansa was like "but the north, yo?" Then jon telling her she's not the heir and she starts to try to rationalize it away.
I also adored all the little hang out scenes.
I'm also kind of there for the Sansa and Theon thing... kinda. At least as close friends if anything. They suffered some major trauma together.
Bran being the reason they're all gonna die is so troutty. I'll think more about that implication of it all in the next few days I'm sure.
because of the i m p l i c a t i o n
I'm still holding on to the theory that it's smurfing stupid to put people in the crypts when the army coming for you raises the dead.
girl, i'm not disagreeing with you on THAT one
but that little girl with the face blotch and the soup will protect all of them. it's gonna be okay.
Ghost sighting :monocle:
When all this is over Pod needs to open up a brothel called the "Song and Dong".
I, for one, am outraged that we saw some Arya sideboob as part of a sex scene. I shall be writing to HBO at once to tell them she should engage in more appropriate behaviour such as murder. Sexual intercourse? Sinful! Butchering a man's family and forcing him to eat them in a pie? Wholesome!
Pod :3: hell that whole fireside chat :3: it reminded me of Mass Effect 3's citadel DLC and was a nice little sign off for our characters.
Next episode... oh gosh. This is going to be brutal.
Oh yeah sam better be prepared with her death pool. We dont know how many of those characters we're about to lose
I had lots of GoT dreams last night, and now I'm convinced Gilly will die. :(
Yep! It's gonna be a slobberknocker!
Beric is surely going down and he's my #1 guaranteed death in the Battle of Winterfell. I think Jorah, Grey Worm and Brienne all had their death sentences signed in that episode. Possibly Sam too. I don't know what else they can do with Sam - he's passed Heartsbane on, learned the truth about his own family while telling Jon about his and reunited with his brothers. I'm also nervous for Pod, Tormund, The Hound and Davos, all of whom had nice little story moments.
For some stupid reason I put Little Sam to die in the pool and I have no idea why I did that. No way does he die! But I guess if he dies, this is the time for it.If she does, then Sam and Little Sam will live.Quote:
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Of the three, I see Gilly dying, and Sam claiming Little Sam as his true heir (only Sam's closest friends really know it's not true; if he helps fight the WW, who's going to be :bou::bou::bou::bou: enough to raise a stink?)--OR, Dany, in a moment of repentance for wiping out the rest of his house, legitimizes Little Sam. And then, since the Night's Watch will disband if the White Walkers no longer exist and everyone's friends with the wildlings, will claim his birthright on Horn Hill. If anyone goes, it's her.
I actually put down thinking Grey Worm will die, but I'm with freefolk: I think Missandei is going to die, and Grey Worm is going to fufill their dream of returning to Naath. Except he's going to take her to be buried in sight of the beaches, and protect her people, like he said he would.
Sidenote: I'm tired of people talking about Hannah Murray (Gilly's) weight gain. I'm also tired of people saying she might be pregnant, and others responding that women don't gain weight in their face during pregnancy. They really do. If you've ever seen a pregnant woman in real life, you might recognize this possibility. In any case, it's smurfing boring.
Would've been smurfing hilarious if during the dramatic slow-mo zooming out of Tyrion looking over the ramparts at the end, that a spear or arrow just flew in and hit in square in the forehead.
I enjoyed this episode more than the last.
I predict some people will die next week.
Feels? Feels.
book readers right now tho
*thinking emoji*
The Hound is 100% safe next week.
They've already sold me a ticket to the Cleganebowl :grover:
I really think that once again, the underrated MVP of this series remains Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. His reactions, first at Bran during the trial and then during the entire knighting sequence were just second to none and he always carries an added weight with him, where you can feel the history of his character with him at all times.
There's NO way he dies yet. Same thing with The Hound. Both still have unfinished business with their families.
Other than Jon, Dany and Sansa though? It's all up for grabs. My real question is, does everything with The Night King get resolved by the end of the next episode? And the last 3 are about figuring out Cersei? That would be very interesting after all this build-up.
Now all the chess pieces are in place, let's see where they end up.
Take care all.
I love NCW, but I wouldn't say he's in any way underrated when all over the internet he's the most praised actor from the show.
That's not the same internet I've seen which always seems to say it's Dinklage, and to be fair, the two of them along with Lena Headey make for by far the most interesting trio on the show. Still, how has he NOT won an Emmy yet? That bathtub scene several years ago alone deserved it. The only other scene I've seen in recent years that was so obvious in its overwhelming brilliance was the scene in the first season of Better Call Saul where Mike finally tells his backstory.
Take care all.
All I see people say is how kind of bland Dinklage actually is (disagree), and that is accent is horrible (hard agree). :lol:
I'd still give worst accent (in terms of consistency at least) to Littlefinger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
One other question, can Wights be created if they don't have heads? Kinda, sorta thinking that might come into play if the certain characters are brought back in the Winterfell Crypts.
Take care all.
Alfie Allen. Dude sells theon. He has done an amazing job with him and no one ever mentions him
He's always overlooked but he has played the role so fabulously.
Agreed, Alfie Allen has done an amazing job with Theon. I'm not convinced about a potential romance with Sansa though. They grew up together and while not related by blood, still shared a brother/sister style relationship, I feel. Not that it matters in GoT, I suppose! But Theon also betrayed Robb, beheaded Rodrik Cassel (at least it was clean though :stare:), burnt a couple of local farm boys. Oh, and he also watched Sansa get raped and beaten.
Even if it was a possibility, he's about to die horribly protecting Bran... and as much as he's tried to earn redemption, he's committed far too many atrocities to deserve to live.
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I never said he would earn redemption through death. My point is, no matter what he does from now he can't be forgiven. My only hope now for Theon is that he does as much good as possible before he deservedly dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxI actually completely disagree with you on this. I hate the idea someone can only achieve redemption through death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
He's suffered more than any other singular character in the entire show. And Ramsay came into his life as a result of his actions. And has shown genuine repentance and has devoted his life to doing good. He has and can be forgiven.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaI never said he would earn redemption through death. My point is, no matter what he does from now he can't be forgiven. My only hope now for Theon is that he does as much good as possible before he deservedly dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxI actually completely disagree with you on this. I hate the idea someone can only achieve redemption through death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
I'm sorry, I don't buy the whole "He's suffered more than any other character blah blah blah..." If hadn't been tortured by Ramsey, who knows what more evil s*** he would have done. Also, from what point in his life has he devoted himself to doing good? Was that before or after he left Yara to die at the hands of Euron?Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxHe's suffered more than any other singular character in the entire show. And Ramsay came into his life as a result of his actions. And has shown genuine repentance and has devoted his life to doing good. He has and can be forgiven.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaI never said he would earn redemption through death. My point is, no matter what he does from now he can't be forgiven. My only hope now for Theon is that he does as much good as possible before he deservedly dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxI actually completely disagree with you on this. I hate the idea someone can only achieve redemption through death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
I'm sure there are plenty of characters who can echo Jon and say "It's not my place to forgive you for all of it. But what I can, I do." Fair enough. But if you think he's done enough now to earn complete forgiveness for everything he has done then you have a very small memory.
He left Yara out of fear, not malice. And then he rescued her. He's a smurfed up individual with severe trauma.
I guess Jaime's completely beyond redemption as well. He attempted to murder Bran; his lack of success doesn't change the fact that he wanted to kill a child. He killed his cousin, who was little more than a boy. Attacked Ned in the street, with the intent to kill him.
Jon's evil; he betrayed the wildlings. Dany's killed innocents simply to wave her dick, and has allied herself with objectively evil people (Ellaria Sand, the Dothraki). Arya's a total psychopath. Yara had murdered and pillaged innocents, and those under her have raped them.
The line between good and bad in this show is really smurfing thin.
Whether he left Yara out of fear or malice, he still left her to die. Hardly devoting his life to doing good.
Yeah, I agree completely with this. It's what makes the characterization on this show so brilliantly rich. There are obvious levels to every character and their actions over eight series. We could argue about all the characters and whether they can be forgiven (though labelling Jon "evil" for betraying the wildlings is a stretch :lol:). In this instance though we're talking about Theon. I don't think there is any way his actions can be completely forgiven. If you feel that he has made up for all his wrongdoings on the show then I guess we'll just agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
You're probably right that we won't agree.
RE: Jon betraying the wildlings
They sent their strongest warriors ahead to secure the Wall because they knew White Walkers were coming. They've been hunted by the Night's Watch for thousands of years. They probably would have won had Jon not betrayed them, which led to Stannis (granted, Jon had nothing to do with this) wiping out their army. A lot of innocent people who got left behind died because of those actions.
Jon eventually let them through the Wall and died for it, but let's not pretend that a ton of people didn't die because of his actions. The wildlings have done some troutty stuff, especially Tormund's (easily one of the biggest fan favorites) party, but they did it for a really good reason: they were terrified, and they knew the WW were coming, and a had already been attacked by them.
i dont know why but for some reason i dont really feel like discussing or speculating about GoT.
Maybe its because we are at the final season and i just want to let it all happen without further questions.
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I'm not saying Jon is completely innocent by any stretch. His actions have indeed caused deaths. Uniting Northerners with the Wildlings though I don't think was possible without parties on either side dying. He definitely could have made better choices though and even admits that himself.
Theon: "Every step you take is the right step."
Jon: "It's not. It may seem that way from the outside, but I promise you, it's not true. I've done plenty of things that I regret.
Theon: "Not compared to me, you haven't."
Jon: "No, not compared to you."
He's as close to 'good' as you're going to get with this show though and far from evil.
As close to good?
Brienne, Pod, and Davos would like a word.
When you miss out on the giant tits story.
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Dude, I bet Tormund and Robin are gonna have so much to talk about when they finally meet.
Considering how much Jon has been responsible for, absolutely. You can't really compare to three characters who for the majority have either been a) following orders or b) pledging their sword and loyalty to anyone who stood still long enough.Quote:
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I do love all of them though :)
On the good and evil front, what is fascinating to me, though the show may not have enough time to explore it, is that GRRM was trying his best to expose and subvert all of the black and white character tropes that usually pop up in fantasy. The show has essentially done that with every main character though it does feel like the endgame is now building Jon up to be the reluctant king in the Aragorn vein. It almost feels too perfect which leads me to believe there is still one final twist of the knife to come.
Most every other surviving main character has gone through an arc:
Tyrion (Clever but overlooked to respected)
Dany (A child bride to a conquerer to possibly a tyrant)
Sansa (Naive to steely)
Jaime (Arrogant to humbled)
Theon (Same but to an even larger degree)
Bran (Though his remains the most mysterious arc)
Arya (Somewhat innocent to killer)
Sandor (Killer to a conscience)
Sam (Coward to Brave)
Cersei (Though hers is a bit harder to gauge. Her arc is she went from a pawn to becoming the most ruthless character on the show)
Yet Jon Snow started out honorable and has remained so throughout. He did of course (Several year spoiler) die for his honor but since coming back, seems more or less the same guy, though maybe a little more reluctant. About the only outcomes I would see that would work to subvert his character trope is to have him die again before achieving victory, to have him switch sides or to have him win but at such a cost that there is nothing left to rule. I'm very curious if the show is able to give him more shades of grey in the remaining episodes.
Take care all.
this behind the scenes of the last episode is great!
I hope I can one day catch up to this show soon. My wife doesn’t like the show, so I never even saw the last season. Not that she really stops me from watching, but it would be easier to find a chance to watch if she’d watch with me. Wouldn’t be as bad if the books were finished.
I am interested in seeing how I’ll feel about Theon when I watch. I feel like he’d be hard to redeem, but it sounds like they are swaying a good number of viewers to somewhat forgive him. Alfie Allen does some fantastic work with his character.
I'm sweating bullets for Ghost.
I love wolves, and this show has a really bad problem of reminding you direwolves exist right before killing them or making them disappear forever.
And they like to symbolically kill them when a character "stops" being a Stark e.g. Sansa selling out her family on the Kingsroad and Bran becoming the Three Eyed Raven. Rise, Aegon Targaryen...
If that's the case, surely Arya's direwolf would have died when she declared herself no one. I know in her heart she's still a Stark, but so is Jon - and by blood, too, even if not by name.
I am convinced Tormund will not die. I was thinking about it and there are like NO wildlings left. He's kind of the last representation of them so if they kill him, they have no wildling representation. So I think he'll live.
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Yeah, the Dothraki are about to get decimated because of this. We don't really have a known Dothraki representative. Also, it's cold af.Quote:
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It really is so strange how they've sidelined the direwolves. I wonder if they just want to leave all of that to the books, which I'm assuming will be the mechanism for Jon's POV until he is brought back if GRRM ever finishes. Plus, is Ghost jealous that Jon has a dragon now too?
Heard a great comparison on a podcast about The Simpsons' McBain factor a lot of these character's have, essentially that when you start to plan your happily ever after, you're as good as dead. Or when you've reached an endpoint to your arc. Fits so many characters: Theon, Tormund, Brienne, Pod, Grey Worm, Gendry, Jorah, Beric, Edd, Sam, Bran, even Jaime, Tyrion and Sansa. Man, this week is going to be a bloodbath.
Really, who still has unfinished business on the show? Jon and Dany obviously. The Hound. Maybe Davos and Melisandre? Arya and Cersei? Tyrion, Jaime and Cersei? I guess Yara and Euron?
Speaking of, what did we make of that little kid with greyscale who wants to defend the Crypt? Could THAT be Melisandre in disguise?
I'm starting to wonder now, will we see any of our heroes die and come back as wights? That might make for a REALLY interesting last few episodes and could also help them finish out their contracts.
Take care all.
No. It was just a little girl with a scare who reminded him of Shireen. Even her music came on.Quote:
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Dadvos needs to find a lady love and have more babies. He needs to have a little girl named Shireen.
EDIT: OR just adopt this orphan girl with the scar on her face.
yes nothing bad could possibly happen to this child whose mission is to guard The Safest Place In Winterfell™Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Although I guess he could go for an ending to Shaun of the Dead type deal with her.
NOTHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO EITHER OF THEM, YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTHhQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychoticyes nothing bad could possibly happen to this child whose mission is to guard The Safest Place In Winterfell™Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Although I guess he could go for an ending to Shaun of the Dead type deal with her.
:stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Though tbf who knows what the next 4 episodes will bring. I imagine we're done with direwolves except for Ghost. But I'd be happy to be wrong about that.Quote:
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That's the point, though. She failed in her training as a Faceless Man because she couldn't become no one. She couldn't let go of her family, or Needle, or her list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Though it probably just came across that the Waif wanted to kill her because she's a psycho rather than her failure to let go. Braavos was the worst written part of the show. Maybe excluding Dorne.
Yeah, I just don't get how she can fail to become no one and fail her training when in reality she's seemingly got all the perks with none of the drawbacks. Doesn't sound like failure. But I get what you mean.
Perhaps it's like saying you have all the martial arts skills of a Shaolin monk and can easily destroy someone in a fistfight, but you don't buy into the important concept of buddhism itself. Instead of believing in peace and only using these skills for self-defence, you wander around wrecking everyone on your hitlist.
Admittedly the Faceless Men do not believe in inner peace but the analogy is that it is a deeply religious organisation. Arya isn't part of their order nor does she subscribe to their beliefs, even if she has their skills.
Yeah, all the pros and none of the cons. Well, for Arya, at least.
The soundtrack with all the random artists is out. Here's The weeknd, Tavis Scott, and SZA's song Power is Power
Here's the whole playlist on spotify. Artist's like Florence's rendition of Jenny of Oldstone, Ellie Goulding, X Ambassadors, Lumineers, and Maren Morris (I'm keen on her song Kingdom of One)
I'M GETTING NERVOUS
Friendly reminder our death pool can be found here.
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I had a dream last night that Bronn and Jaime fought a wight Khal Drogo.
Obviously not happening, but it was kind of a scary dream.
But who won?!
I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER
I really wouldn't bet against an undead aquaman myself.
There's no way it can happen, but holy trout, the undead Dothraki are going to be terrifying when they happen.
See you on the other side.
I managed to pick up a chest infection this weekend and so I missed out on seeing endgame but jokes on you, you stupid infection, I can watch game of thrones from home!
I'm coughing so much and I think only jinx will be able to relate but sometimes when your chest gets so full of gunk, you, take a deep breath out and it sound super ragged. I call it my monster noise. So in my delirium from lack of oxygen, I've been monster nosing and terrifying all my pets and dalton. Been calling my self a wight and that winter has come.
My household hadnt been thrilled
Omg, you poor thing. :heart: Well, you're definitely getting into the spirit of the thing, and I admire your dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
RIP Lyanna Mormont. You died as you lived--a total smurfing bad ass.
Losing Jorah is going to be a huge morale blow to Dany. But I think she's definitely going to prove her merit to the North. I've never stanned for her, I still don't, but I won't say she didn't fight for them. AND LOST ANOTHER DRAGON FOR THEM. And you know what--I'll give Emilia Clarke a nod, finally. Her moment holding Jorah as he died was good. He's been her truest friend, and the only person who has stood by her from the very beginning. When she finds out Missandei and Grey Worm (her other two friends) are planning on leaving her, I don't think she's going to be very happy.
I'm glad Pod pulled through. I was for sure he'd die (especially because I read a "leak" on freefolk that he was eating it).
The moment between Sansa and Tyrion was beautifully acted.
WAS NOT expecting Arya to kill the Night King. Was really hoping it'd be Jaime and he'd finally wear the name Kingslayer with pride. Still--for someone saying that I didn't care if she died this episode, that little mothersmurfer pulled it out.
I wish we still knew more about the Night King's motives. I do feel like this ending was super unsatisfying.
I was expecting more of a bloodbath, but I have high hopes for later episodes.
EDIT: A nod to the cinematography. The juxtaposition between light and dark in the episode were beautiful. The one shot of the window down the hall in the dark with fire in the foreground. Dany and Jon above the storm where it's calm and serene and beautiful while knowing the chaos on the ground. Beric's Jesus on the cross pose with light shining down on him while he's ripped apart by zombies after saving Arya. v v good
Death list updated.
Currently in the lead are Bubba, Kalevala, and Shauna with 1 incorrect guess each. Last place is Denmark with 4 incorrect guesses. Most of us really thought Lyanna was making it...anyways, this is only the beginning. The only person everyone correctly guessed dying so far has been Jorah.
That was a tense episode. The beginning with the dothraki getting fire to then just snuffing out. Eep.
And the music! That constant heartbeat like base drum, wowy.
When mel said to Arya what do we say to death, I was screaming that she was the one to go kill him.
The theon moment made me tear up. There was so much to unpack omg
rhaegal is alive, unless dany gave birth to another full grown dragonQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
I think both dragons are still alive but hurt and whew that ending left me wanting to check on some people.
This was kind of my logic with putting Edd on my live list, even though we have Sam and whatnot, but in hindsight it was not a good idea. You don't need a night's watch on the wall if there's nothing beyond the wall. :grover:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Yeah, Rhaegal's alive. My bad, and I will fix the list tomorrow.
The most intense episode of Game of Thrones. I was going to use the word "dreadful" but more in the sense that it filled me with dread and horror. Some wonderful shots like the Dothraki swords going out and the music filled me with awe. I will definitely need to rewatch this one a couple of times with a clearer head and less anxiety in my chest! Excellent television.
While the episode itself was excellent and I cannot fault it, I'm a little bit "Hmm" about the implication to the wider plot. What was the point of the Night King, White Walkers and the Army of the Dead? Like, that was it? Oof, that was an adventure, some C-Tier and B-Tier characters died, Azor Ahai was Arya all along... and now that's all done and dusted, back to the real Game of Thrones! Oh. Okay. I mean, yeah. But... still? Surely there was more to it?
Yeah, what was bran even doing the whole time?
The more I think about this episode, the angrier I get tbqh. I don't love the way the resolved (?) the White Walker plot. Talk about anticlimactic.
However, I haven't completely made up my mind yet, as the directors? showrunners? Have said e3-e5 really just feel like one continuous episode, so I'll see what happens next week.
Fwiw, I was EXTREMELY hype in the moment, and I will always appreciate it for that. But admittedly, I'm looking a bit less forward to next week.
BUT HEY MY GIRL CERSEI IS THE FINAL BOSS AND I'LL ADMIT THAT'S KIND OF smurfING COOL
Things I didn't like:
- That basically everyone died except the main characters, with just a couple of exceptions. I expected way more death to main/named characters, especially when you consider that the ratio of living to dead at the end, it was like "oh cool I can name very person still standing that makes sense." Like, can't they put a few randoms in there too?
- Bye Dothraki, aka suicide squad, who cares about you? :( Did ANY of them survive? I saw some horses, perhaps a few randoms returned too? It's a bit sad that the people who traveled furthest are sent in first.
- Who cares about the prophecy of Azor Ahai? Throw away all you knew about it, Arya is the badass here to kill Night King and literally can't think of anything that relates her to all of this.
--- sidenote on the above, I'm hoping that it's not actually all over with the Night King and we'll see at least a little more about this, perhaps one of those babies that they made into a white walker by touching the cheek long ago will be the new Night King in the future?
- All that fanfare and Night King just dies. I agree it wasn't satisfying. Well, it was and it wasn't. I dunno. I'm still thinking Cersei is the true villain of the series, Night King is just a way to move the other plots along.
- What WAS Bran doing with those ravens? Hopefully we find out he wasn't just having a cheap thrill before he's thinking he'll die. I was thinking it'd be cool if at the last second, the dragon or the Night King were distracted by a large flock of ravens flying into their face and then killed during the distraction.
Things I liked:
- Basically everything else :D I really enjoyed it. Wish I watched it in a darker room though, damn that was tough to see at times.
Arya's Azor Ahai. She was reborn from Arya Stark into No One as her family died around her at the Twins, amidst the salted and smoked ham the Hound stole.
I enjoyed the episode but I've been so emotionally spent this week that the deaths didn't have the impact on me I'd expect they would after 8 seasons of caring about them.
I'd blame Endgame but I was kinda already drained even before going into that movie so Idk. Rough couple weeks.
All Winterfell needed was my ass to stop the wights getting in because honey, I was clenched for that whole episode GoTdaaayum.
Overall I enjoyed the episode as some gratuitous violence and some fairly well shot stuff with some good moments between a few characters.
But the living largely fought like idiots and the night king was the biggest idiot of all. There was literally no reason for him to fight at all unless he's in some kind of hurry which they've certainly never indicated seeing as he's been beyond the wall building an army for thousands of years. All he had to do was surround the castle and wait and maybe ice javelin some dragons if a certain pair of targaryens get uppity. They didn't have enough food to feed everyone for a long period to begin with. And if they try to run then cut them down. Actively attacking winterfell was utterly pointless based on everything we know.
Also disappointed that that was it for the undead. Seems like they were just there to complicate killing cirsei in the end which is kind of meh. Maybe if they hadn't been defeated in the first battle after they break through the wall it would feel less anticlimactic.
Also, smurf Sam. I've never been a Sam fan, and this episode is PRETTY MUCH WHY.
So I have some thoughts:
- Melisandre's job given by the lord of light was to get there, support them, and guide Arya on the path.
- Beric's job after being raised so many times was to keep her alive and get her to Mel to set her on her path.
- The hound, who was touched by flame aka lord of light, was also set up to do this.
- Jon, who was raised by said lord of light, was distracting a big ass scary dragon who could still smurf up a lot of things, preventing it from defending NK. Also taking the north back all that fun to get her there.
Little Arya was the best fighter with everyone. Her weapon was versatile, she learned how to move and be quick from using a staff when blind. When injured, she had to flee but was so sneaky she was able to get through the library unseen. Was only the other horde that gave her away. The episode prior when she met Jon, it was in the godswood and he was like "How'd you sneak up on me?" then we have her being sneaky here to remind you that she's a small, quick, sneaky mothersmurfer.
Then we recall the "What do we say to god of death? Not Today." and if we think back to that training. He taught her to be a water dancer. He said that the westerosi are predictable so be quick and unpredictable. The entire fight has been predictable for their armies. Jon thinking he could run between a horde to the night king. The two of them fighting in the skies with him. Dany trying to burninate him, even Theon's attack. All predictable.
So in this final moment, Theon made his attack which stopped the posse from moving and the night king just kinda dealt with him and moved on to bran. They were all focused on Bran cause, well hell he's right there. Like this is golden at this point, plans done. So here comes unpredictable little Arya dashing in, jumping and attack. So he sees it cause oh a jump attack, pft. Nope, hand switch and bam, unpredictable.
He had to be killed by assassination. There wouldn't have been another way, he would have seen it and been able to adapt. Arya knocking him out has been set up from season 1.
And now that I think of it, that's awfully convenient that the "lord of light" spoke to people and told them things. So like... is that what bran was doing? Is Bran somehow the lord of light? I dunno. I'm sure we'll get more answers.
As for the night king. His sole purpose was to kill humans per the children of the forest. He just got evil machine like to do so and really really good at it. And as long as the three-eyed raven lives, all of history is still alive and they will never truly destroy humanity. So that's why he was important and that's the sole point of them. The rest of humankind would be easy to take out. So no biggie on them.
But he was just another King. Another king vying for the thrown. The fact that the supernatural undead villains are just a b-plot is a little amusing to me. Because the entire series people are like "ugh what does all this political stuff have to do with anything". That IS the series, the supernatural stuff is just flavor. It is the game of THRONES. The clash of KINGS. Cersei as final boss is amusing, but fitting for how much we've set up here.
"The only thing that matters is the great war"
Nope! It's not.
Just because this ended up being the result doesn't mean that it is true, satisfying, reasonable or good story-telling. Honestly it seemed completely out of left field, I don't think it was set up from season 1 at all. Also, she had no personal care about the Night King compared to about 50 other people and things out there, so it just makes it all the more "wait, what?" when it comes to story-telling. Sometimes it's interesting to surprise people but I think in this case it just looks bad on their part more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I like Arya, I want her to do well, I'd love for her to kill Cersei, but killing the Night King just seemed absurd to me on a story-telling level. Especially as we don't even see how she turned up there in the first place. She's running from random wights and then BAM hi Night King bye Night King. I think the writer(s) just became so obsessed with not letting people guess who Azor Ahai was, who would kill Night King, etc. that they insisted on doing something that not many (if any) people were guessing purely so they could say "eh, didn't see that coming, eh? right? haha psych!"
Look, just cause you didn't connect and catch it, didn't mean it wasn't what was set up. Hell, look at the Hodor set up from the beginning that no one saw coming but was there for us. It literally set up seasons of her learning to be sneaky and stealthy and "no one". They gave her "useless arcs", as people said, to get to this skill level.
Just because you missed it and didn't connect the dots, didn't mean they weren't there to connect.
Same thing I say about Sansa and her becoming a major political manipulator and mover. People are like "when did she get so smart?" and i'm like uhhhhhh it's been happening the whole time where have you been?
or
"What Gendry and Arya? That's out of left field!" Uh no, it wasn't? They set that up way back in season two when they met, she was even oogling him at harrenhal.
It's like people don't actually watch or remember the things that happen in this show and want to complain later lmao
Arya making the killing blow makes sense.
What is a disappointment of the ending isn't that. It's that the White Walkers and NK didn't even really fight anyone. They just walked menacingly. The NK was just on a dragon and threw his spear. But the fact that these super badasses did... nothing? That was what was disappointing. Arya making the kill was set up a lot. Them not fighting at all is the bleh thing.
What I was hoping for that Bran was warging into nymeria and her pack and would have showed up. That would have been dope.
<--- Poor me :(
- i am disapointed with how sweet they are on us. hardly anyone of importance died. i was prepared, i could've handled it.
- i admit i did not think the night king would die this episode. as he aproached Bran i for a moment really thought winterfell was properly screwed and thought 'Wouw, what will they do from here? leave the remaining episodes to Cersei?'
- WHAT WAS BRAN DOING?? i doubt he was just flying the crows, there must be more, right?
- I dont think this is THE end of the end for the white walkers, it would be to easy? we still dont really know what their purpose/goal was? there must be more to it!
Oh so they've been doing these 40 minutes behind the scenes things they share the next day. If anyone wants to watch the making of this episode.
Not necessarily. Melisandre drops a few hints for her while they're taking refuge in the fireplace room and she runs off knowing full well what she has to do. We, as viewers, are given a sleight of hand for the next few scenes while we worry about other characters and forget that she ran off with purpose. She was headed right for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I don't think so. Remember that in Season 1 they were following the books very closely and the belief was that The Winds of Winter and maybe even A Dream of Spring would be out by now. The Night King is very much a show invention - GRRM has said as much - and doesn't appear until Season 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I actually think they've planned it since Season 7 when they introduced the concept that killing a White Walker also kills its Wights. We hadn't seen that when previous White Walkers were killed in previous seasons by Sam and at Hardhome so I think they came up with it as an answer to the "How do you defeat the Army of the Dead?" question. Introducing that concept and having Bran give Arya the dagger was when they started sowing the seeds, I think. That and the Brienne knife trick.
With that said, I don't have a problem with Arya being the one to do it. Jon, Daenerys and maybe even Jaime would be very cliched and predictable. Although 1) I don't really like her smirking remorseless badass show portrayal and 2) a couple of easily missed salty smoky Azor Ahai hints about Arya would've been nice.
another question of GREAT importance:
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I ALREADY MENTIONED THE HAMS, JESUSQuote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticI don't think so. Remember that in Season 1 they were following the books very closely and the belief was that The Winds of Winter and maybe even A Dream of Spring would be out by now. The Night King is very much a show invention - GRRM has said as much - and doesn't appear until Season 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I actually think they've planned it since Season 7 when they introduced the concept that killing a White Walker also kills its Wights. We hadn't seen that when previous White Walkers were killed in previous seasons by Sam and at Hardhome so I think they came up with it as an answer to the "How do you defeat the Army of the Dead?" question. Introducing that concept and having Bran give Arya the dagger was when they started sowing the seeds, I think. That and the Brienne knife trick.
With that said, I don't have a problem with Arya being the one to do it. Jon, Daenerys and maybe even Jaime would be very cliched and predictable. Although 1) I don't really like her smirking remorseless badass show portrayal and 2) a couple of easily missed salty smoky Azor Ahai hints about Arya would've been nice.
I mean yeah, the Night King is a show creation. But I don't doubt that they didn't set some of this up or at least used what was already set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticI don't think so. Remember that in Season 1 they were following the books very closely and the belief was that The Winds of Winter and maybe even A Dream of Spring would be out by now. The Night King is very much a show invention - GRRM has said as much - and doesn't appear until Season 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I actually think they've planned it since Season 7 when they introduced the concept that killing a White Walker also kills its Wights. We hadn't seen that when previous White Walkers were killed in previous seasons by Sam and at Hardhome so I think they came up with it as an answer to the "How do you defeat the Army of the Dead?" question. Introducing that concept and having Bran give Arya the dagger was when they started sowing the seeds, I think. That and the Brienne knife trick.
With that said, I don't have a problem with Arya being the one to do it. Jon, Daenerys and maybe even Jaime would be very cliched and predictable. Although 1) I don't really like her smirking remorseless badass show portrayal and 2) a couple of easily missed salty smoky Azor Ahai hints about Arya would've been nice.
Per the wights not dying at hardhome, a lot of White walkers were there so I don't think that many would have dropped anyway, or would have been noticeable. But it's a good point to add. The sam point really messes with it though, yeah. Well I went back and read the prophecy and it just kinda says Azor Ahai would be there to fight the darkness. I think that the Prince that was Promised and Azor Ahai aren't necessarily the same. That they could be separate and that they fit dany and jon. But I don't think that means that they themselves would be the one to take out the NK but be there in the fight. I feel forever though they tell us not to trust the prophecies so much.
Edit: Okay watching the behind the scenes and they said that when they wrote it, they knew for about three years that it would be Arya to kill him. So that would be during Season 5 or 6 when they did know. They imply that the same dagger could have been the one that was used to create him, that's why they put it in the book that Sam read. But they'd let you run with that if that's what they meant or not.
I looked into this and we have some quotes from the show's lead writers from Inside the Episode:So three years ago would've been when they were writing Season 7 as Season 6 was just airing. Feeling a little bit smug now!Quote:
David: For, God, I think it's probably 3 years now or something, we've known that it was going to be Arya who delivers that fatal blow.
Dan: She seemed like the best candidate provided we weren't thinking about her in that moment. One of the great things about having this many people you care about in a sequence together is you can kind of pull people's attention and focus to people they care about a lot like Jon and like Dany, Theon and Bran, not to mention Tyrion and Sansa in the crypts. So you're going all over the place with people who you're desperately worried for and hopefully you forget about the fact that Arya Stark ran out of the castle with the battle drums playing and going towards some purpose, and we don't know what until it happens.
David: We hope to kind of avoid the expected, and Jon Snow has always been the one to be the hero, the one who's been the savior, but it just didn't seem right to us for this moment. We knew it had to be Valyrian Steel to the exact spot where the Child of the Forest put the dragonglass blade to create the Night King, and he is un-created by the Valyerian Steel. At the end of it it's still, it's a victory for the living but at great cost because some of our favorite characters fall along the way.
...but they chose her because it's unexpected? blegggggh. Shock for the sake of shock is the tool of hacks.
I took that it was 3 years before they wrote it, not 3 years from when they filmed the last season
OMG, watching this inside the episode. smurfing lmao. I will know that BUZZZZ anywhere. They're talking to Jorah about his final scene and it's the Leaving Earth Song from Mass Effect 3. Silly GoT, you had all that music to choose from and you picked Mass Effect?
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LotR Shireposting coming at ya with some fire memes.
To be fair, while LoTR was kinda godfather of fantasy, it isn't really the best thing to compare to others lol and has a lot of weak plot points itself.
If every fantasy movie/show ended in the same formula as that one then uhh.... things would be so boring. When they do, that's when they suck. See like all the meh fantasy in the past. Not to say that GoT is peak fantasy either but, having different outcomes or plots isn't a bad thing. Comparing this series to others is always gonna be a bad time. That's what has made it so popular because it does things differently.
That's hardly a fair comparison considering how many armies no one but Cersei has anymore. This is more "congrats on surviving the zombie apocalypse. Now it's time for the villain to kill you all while your back was turned. How will they get out of this one? Tune in next time! Same bat time! Same bat channel!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
See, I just don't think that being a really good ninja assassin means that you're going to be the right person to make the killing blow in a story. I don't think Jon is the best fighter in the world, nor do I think Dany is the best leader, but I'll be damned if the story hasn't made them into excellent proponents for both of those things. Arya doing an assassin move on a person sitting comfy like she did with Frey? Total assassin move. Arya doing it on a battlefield? Not quite assassin-y. On the battlefield, I do believe the person who is best on the battlefield should get the killing blow, and I think the Night King should have died on the battlefield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
The key difference, though, for me between your thoughts and my thoughts is that you seem to think being the best killer makes her the right person to have the killing blow and I completely disagree. Personally I think it's important - especially when you have freaking prophecies drummed into from the very first season about the Prince that was Promised being the one who would win this war. This person would have to...
- Be born amidst smoke and salt.
- Wake dragons out of stone.
- Draw from the fire a burning sword.
None of these things seem to be very Arya at all. I don't really get how Arya was the right person for the story that we were being presented with. Yes, she is a great assassin and actually one of my favourite characters but I totally agree with Psy about it being a sham that they did it just to surprise people, and it seems based on his post that this is exactly what happened, not because of good story telling but because they just wanted to not be predictable. Sometimes predictable isn't a bad thing, especially when you bring prophecies into it.
And those make perfect sense story-wise. Again, I'm not arguing that she shouldn't be an awesome killer but that she shouldn't be the one to end the war.Quote:
Same thing I say about Sansa and her becoming a major political manipulator and mover. People are like "when did she get so smart?" and i'm like uhhhhhh it's been happening the whole time where have you been?
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"What Gendry and Arya? That's out of left field!" Uh no, it wasn't? They set that up way back in season two when they met, she was even oogling him at harrenhal.
It's like people DO actually watch and remember the things that are prophesied in this show that means we want to complain when they are tossed into the wastebasket. I'm still hoping they can make it work that the Prince that was Promised will make sense but I don't know if it will.Quote:
It's like people don't actually watch or remember the things that happen in this show and want to complain later lmao
I was kind of hoping he'd warg into one of the dragons...Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Well, yeah, I guess on some level. But I saw it more of "kill the dead" than "kill the Night King". But I guess I can see what you mean when referring to the point you quoted so fair dos.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalevalaNot necessarily. Melisandre drops a few hints for her while they're taking refuge in the fireplace room and she runs off knowing full well what she has to do. We, as viewers, are given a sleight of hand for the next few scenes while we worry about other characters and forget that she ran off with purpose. She was headed right for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Okay but did you miss the entire montage of her just wrecking trout on the walls? Like it isn't like she's a bad fighter on the battlefield either. I'm just saying that it's a stretch to dismiss her skills because you personally didn't think she should have been the one to get the killing blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBSee, I just don't think that being a really good ninja assassin means that you're going to be the right person to make the killing blow in a story. I don't think Jon is the best fighter in the world, nor do I think Dany is the best leader, but I'll be damned if the story hasn't made them into excellent proponents for both of those things. Arya doing an assassin move on a person sitting comfy like she did with Frey? Total assassin move. Arya doing it on a battlefield? Not quite assassin-y. On the battlefield, I do believe the person who is best on the battlefield should get the killing blow, and I think the Night King should have died on the battlefield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I don't care about anything except the death of Lyanna Mormont
She died as she lived
RIP
Yes, we discovered in this episode, for the first time, she is capable of killing lots of wights on a battlefield. She's good, absolutely. But I feel like you're just really trying to make it okay in your head that this was perfectly done and built up over many seasons when in all reality it was just destroying literally 8 years of reading and hearing about the prophecies. It literally crapped all over one of the best bits of lore in the entire series just to say "oh man let's have a ninja do it." I don't think anyone has ever seen Arya bitch about the Night King. Has she even ever talked about him? Is there anything linking her to him? For me, good story telling needs some satisfaction. It can be tragic, but the characters should still have some vague link, a direct motive other than survival, when dealing with the most ominous boss of the series. Cersei is the final boss and rightly so, and again I'd love for Arya to have been the one to kill her, just like I really loved watching Littlefinger die at the hands of Arya, and Frey too. But Arya was always about the living, not the dead. "Not today" is about survival, not about taking out an enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreyaOkay but did you miss the entire montage of her just wrecking trout on the walls? Like it isn't like she's a bad fighter on the battlefield either. I'm just saying that it's a stretch to dismiss her skills because you personally didn't think she should have been the one to get the killing blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBSee, I just don't think that being a really good ninja assassin means that you're going to be the right person to make the killing blow in a story. I don't think Jon is the best fighter in the world, nor do I think Dany is the best leader, but I'll be damned if the story hasn't made them into excellent proponents for both of those things. Arya doing an assassin move on a person sitting comfy like she did with Frey? Total assassin move. Arya doing it on a battlefield? Not quite assassin-y. On the battlefield, I do believe the person who is best on the battlefield should get the killing blow, and I think the Night King should have died on the battlefield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
It's about the story we're being presented with. It's about the prophecies, which I adore. It's about good writing. I didn't get angry when Sam killed a white walker because he wasn't good enough. I don't get angry when really good fighters get killed by other really good fighters. I just want it to be satisfying when we've waited 8 seasons for this moment, and I feel like they dropped the ball because they wanted it to be unexpected. Don't throw prophecies around for that long for the sake of bait and switch. I genuinely feel the writers just desperately wanted to feel clever and better than the viewers, and if anything it's just made them look stupid.
There's no proof any of the prophecies are valid anyway. Game of Thrones started out pretty low fantasy. Yes, it's strayed from that in the last couple seasons but it would be pretty fitting if the prophecies turned out to be wrong. Sure, most of Cersei's prophecy haa already come true, but what if the rest of it just doesn't? So what? There's no guarantee that prophecies have to be true.
The bait-and-switch, to be fair, is probably what's going to happen in the books. GRRM makes it pretty well known that believing in prophecies is kind of stupid, and even when they do work out, they're a monkey's paw situation. Don't take them at face value.
smurf prophecy, smurf tradition, smurf ancestors.
EDIT: I think it's pretty telling that there can be an argument for literally every main character to be TPTWP.
Prophecies are just glorified spoilers ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Golbez
I generally agree with this and dislike when stories hinge around "that which has been foretold". People using prophecies for their own ends - great, I love it. Having said that, if you make a big deal about a prophecy and then it just doesn't happen, without any clear reason why, it doesn't feel like a clever red herring, it just feels lazy.
I'm not totally convinced the battle with the dead is completely over. There's still time for trout to go down, and I really hope it does. If this is all we get, I'm going to be extremely disappointed.
It's just sad, because I was SO smurfing hype for this episode, but I don't really care much about next week's episode. We'll see if they can bring it back for me.
Literally the first scene in both the books and the show is a group of the night's watch getting murdered by undead. I guess if you consider undead low fantasy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Golbez
Anyway, considering the entire series had the vibe of "petty political stuff distracts most of mankind from the real threat", I'll just consider the remaining three episodes the epilogue, even though Cersei with her complete lack of foresight will end up killing more main characters than the undead army that had the patience to wait 8000 years but got annihilated in one night because Arya is undetectable out in the open, moments after being very detectable in a library.
I've always thought of it as "irritating supernatural threat distracts important characters from the political intrigue"Quote:
Originally Posted by WarZidaneLiterally the first scene in both the books and the show is a group of the night's watch getting murdered by undead. I guess if you consider undead low fantasy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Golbez
Anyway, considering the entire series had the vibe of "petty political stuff distracts most of mankind from the real threat", I'll just consider the remaining three episodes the epilogue, even though Cersei with her complete lack of foresight will end up killing more main characters than the undead army that had the patience to wait 8000 years but got annihilated in one night because Arya is undetectable out in the open, moments after being very detectable in a library.
Is it really that intriguing anymore when the big baddie just blows all of her opposition sky-high in an explosion that levels a large chunk of the city and all the remaining people are just "k, guess we'll follow her even though she just did that"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxI've always thought of it as "irritating supernatural threat distracts important characters from the political intrigue"Quote:
Originally Posted by WarZidaneLiterally the first scene in both the books and the show is a group of the night's watch getting murdered by undead. I guess if you consider undead low fantasy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Golbez
Anyway, considering the entire series had the vibe of "petty political stuff distracts most of mankind from the real threat", I'll just consider the remaining three episodes the epilogue, even though Cersei with her complete lack of foresight will end up killing more main characters than the undead army that had the patience to wait 8000 years but got annihilated in one night because Arya is undetectable out in the open, moments after being very detectable in a library.
No, which is probably why I'm not all that excited about new Game of Thrones anymore :pQuote:
Originally Posted by WarZidane
Except that one time she sparred with Brienne, one of the well established best fighters in the show, and looked like she was playing with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Playing. With one of the best fighters in the world. And pushing her harder in their little "sparring" match than most would in an actual 1 on 1 fight.
And then in this episode she fights some plentiful and tireless, but largely not that bright, corpses using a weapon she designed to suit her style of fighting perfectly. It is not a surprise that she could fight that well.
EDIT: And how in the smurf could I even forget that the girl was a tough fighter when she couldn't even smurfing see?
I'll give this picture of the main cast a little scribbly each week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart
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All things considered, that was a surprisingly low body count (of major characters)
I'm going to rewatch here in a minute when my dinner arrives. I didn't cry last night, but I keep seeing pictures of Jorah as he's dying, and I think I'm going to get emotional now. I always really liked him. :(
Y'know, now I've had 10 minutes or so to digest and get over the spectacle of it all, that was actually a pretty disappointing conclusion to the undead arc.
I really hope the remaining episodes have some curve balls in them from beyond the wall and aren't just Cersei somehow outsmarting everyone (and probably killing more people than an undead army in the process) until her eventual demise, because unsatisfying wouldn't even begin to cover that.
So I think the best way to look at Game Of Thrones now is through two lenses: The Show as spectacle and The Show as story.
The spectacle of The Long Night was magnificent. The entire sequence with the Dothraki gave me literal chills, seeing the lighting of the swords all along the line conjured up memories of the beacons being lit in Return of The King. Then seeing them snuffed out so quickly was chilling for entirely other reasons. Though there are many complaints I've seen about how hard it was to follow the action due to lack of light, I actually prefer this more realistic version as it puts the viewer in the actual POV of what conditions would be like. Things would be near impossible to see and when the dead swarm started, it was just chaos. Plus, the important things were certainly lit well enough. It's still head scratching about how they use Ghost and the dragons but that's a bit about the budget and also seems like a choice to pivot toward the humans rather than the fantasy.
I thought the show did a masterful job of giving us just enough of a check-in with various characters to keep us guessing who would die though it pulled its punches a bit, especially with all the characters in the courtyard who seemed to be on the brink for the entire episode only to survive. This either means the show is just getting a bit sentimental at its end OR it's a false lull before the rug gets pulled most likely in Episode 5, also directed by Miguel Sapochnik. I'm guessing that's the battle for King's Landing episode.
Having Arya ultimately defeat The Night's King was clearly meant to be a shock and it was for me. I had sort of figured she might do the deed, like most, when the "Blue eyes" got extra mention from Melisandre but I had definitely forgotten about her in that last moment, which was the point. Her story arc fit into the ending and was clearly also meant as a misdirect though how it ties into the lore of the show, that's left for a lot of debate.
Overall, what Game of Thrones continues to do better than any TV show I've ever seen is scale and epic spectacle. It pulls off set pieces better than most movies.
NOW, the story, that is where things are very tricky. I think clearly, as soon as Jon Snow came back, the internal logic of the show has been thrown off its axis. Suddenly, not all bad choices meant you suffered consequences forever and the ideas the show was playing with, from the time travel to the Night's King to the lord of light seemed to be put into hyperdrive because there was just so much to cover and only so many episodes left. It was around this point where I decided to really just enjoy the show moreso for its ability to tell its version of the story and not try to figure out how all the internal pieces should fit together. The reality is they won't unless GRRM completes the story himself in the books, which can dig deeper into the myths and legends and perhaps give us everything actually happening with Bran, the direwolves and all the other loose ends.
These last three episodes will be unpredictable, since it seems thats what the show is angling for now and hopefully it finds some grace notes along the way that stick with us. Ending any TV series is a really tough task, especially when you start with a tight blueprint and then are sort of riffing by the end. They have a finish line in sight, and while we'd prefer the slow grind of the world building we love, they now need to just sprint to get there.
It'll be about moments now. The Hound Versus The Mountain. The Lannisters Versus Each Other. Perhaps Dany Versus Jon. The moments might not all add up as we think they should, but they will be glorious to behold.
Take care all.
I'm pretty surprised that people thought Arya killing the Night King was unexpected. I thought her and Jon were the two most likely candidates. As soon as Bran gave her the Valyrian steel dagger you knew it was gonna play a big part. Plus, her assassin training made her possibly a more likely candidate than Jon. As much as Jon got reasonably close, it was unlikely NK was gonna be killed by brute force/direct combat.
Despite other methods of ending NK, I also think it was always going to be Valyrian steel to strike the final blow. That narrows the group of potential killers considerably. Brienne has Oathbreaker, Sam gave Heartsbane to Jorah, Jon obviously has Longclaw and I think Jamie ended up with Joffrey's Widow's Wail, didn't he? They were all present at The Battle of Winterfell and there's a case for all of them... but I had Arya at the top of that small list with her skillset.
Edit: So only myself and one other guy here at work thought Arya would kill NK so I'm currently leading the GoT Death Pool :cool:
Traveling in GoT explained
https://imgur.com/gallery/lL2Gyf0
Also I have no issues with Arya killing the Night King, I'm just more disappointed at how he died - and that him and the wights basically did nothing for the entire battle. Ok the Night King did some rather questionable things tactics wise, but the wights just seemed to be there to be his parade procession. After all these years of them being made it to be the big "threat" the way in which their leader was felled felt rather anti-climatic (I guess) to me. /shrug
Also, can we acknowledge how terrible a master Jon is towards Ghost? He literally doesn't give a trout about him anymore. Now he's upgraded with Rhaegal it's like the poor pup doesn't exist to him. Yet there he was, leading the cavalry charge alongside Jorah like a GOOD BOY.
Aulayna, because I'm a horrible pedant: The wights did a lot, the white walkers did little.
Slothy: Yeah, but that's still a one-on-one fight. I said a battlefield, that means you're up against multiple targets who are all attacking simultaneously. I'm not saying she wasn't capable but it was literally the first time we'd seen this happen, at least as far as I can remember.
Re: Prophecies, I completely agree with this:
Bubba: Completely agree regarding Ghost, and it's more to do with the special effects budget going near-100% towards dragons. Which I'm kind of okay with but I miss my big ol' doggo scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I'm okay with Arya killing the Night King. Really have little issue with it. Jon or Dany would've been too predictable. Narratively, Jaime killing him would have been my favorite, so that he could be revered as the Kingslayer for the rest of his life. I think, though, D&D don't realize most people who watch this show haven't given a trout about Arya since since after s3, since she's been a little psychopath with a trout story since then. But, I don't understand the criticism that she wasn't really prepared to do an assassination. In any case, if they wanted someone unpredictable, I'd have rather seen someone like Gilly, Tyrion, or even someone completely smurfing random kill him. Seeing someone nearly scrape by with their life and just barely kill him to make him seem like an actual threat, and to make it feel like it was hard fought for. Regardless, I really got caught up in the moment, and how she got him was bad ass. It would've been better seeing her jump out of the godswood tree at least, just so people would shut up about where she came from.
My issue is that the last two seasons has been entirely about preparing for The Great War. The entire storyline of the Wall has always been about that. The story being handed to us has always been WE DON'T smurfING HAVE TIME FOR THIS. And then he's just one-shot. And there's really little explanation to his motives (Bran's bulltrout in e2 is BARELY an explanation, and it's only an explanation about why the NK wants HIM), culture, whatever. All of this could be okay to me--life is unceremonious and we don't always get the answers we want. But the more I reflect, the more I think this would have worked if we'd had a full season.
I would have like to see devastating losses at Winterfell to the point they had to retreat, and only a small number of them were able to escape to the Iron Islands while licking their wounds. Only to find out the NK had been hiding his hands, and he actually can travel by water. Or see them have to retreat south. I don't know, there's many ways it could have been done. It's the fact that we've been building up to this episode for years, only to have the NK yeeted in one episode. It was too sudden and completely anticlimactic and unbelievable. That we only lost two important characters (Jorah and Theon) makes it moreso. Had we spent just another episode or two on the WW, and then find out NO ACTUALLY CERSEI IS THE FINAL BOSS, it would've subverted fantasy expectations, but also been more satisfying.
It's possible that they can still pull it out for me, as I've been saying. I'm not wholly convinced the AotD is gone, or that the Night King was the Night King, or what have you. But that could be me grasping at straws for wanting an actually cohesive story. Only the next few weeks will tell.
quick question: did Rheagal die? :'(
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I've got a friend who's team Cersei now just out of spite for how she thinks the show's going and she feels like Cersei has been the smartest player in the game.
Idk maybe that's a bit much but
I've seen a lot of complaints about the darkness (visual) of the episode and feeling like they couldn't see anything, but I thought that was kind of the point. It was a night shoot, and just like the characters, you have a hard time knowing what's going on when your light has been extinguished and there are hordes of walkers jumping over each other to kill you World War Z style. They slowed the action down during pivotal moments, so you didn't have to stress about "missing a character death". And the parts that were intentionally lit up, the barricade, the blue dragon fire etc really shined.
My favorite part was the last few moments where the piano took over as the main noise and peoples groaning and breathing were the background noise. It's a nice reversal of sound which I appreciated.
I also found the scenes with Viserion double harrowing, not just because of this terrifying dragon chasing people, but because it would also be against his will fighting his brothers. I don't know if when someone "turns" if there's a little part of their consciousness left inside of them, but that would be horrifically sad.
Also shoutout to the extras who spend most of their screentime in your peripheral vision but they help to create the feeling that the world is real and full of people.
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Rhaegal didn't die. He's in a preview for next week. Ghost is there too. I thought Rhaegal died at first, but I was wrong.
I'VE BEEN TEAM CERSEI FOR AWHILE BUT EVEN MORESO NOW
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I feel like they've done the NK narrative the way they have so they can explain so much more with a prequel series..
Someone please tell me they share this view and I'm not alone:
I slowly grew to loathe Lyanna Mormont and I'm smurfing glad she's dead. It was a one note joke that was funny the first 3 or 4 times but slowly grew stale, and by the end of it we had this 10 year old with literally no military experience - seriously, even Sansa has more experience of battles than Lyanna - directing a god damn siege defence and takes out a giant. Why? Because she speaks bluntly and the fans loved the sassy child with no actual personality beyond awkwardly delivering truths so the writers pandered. ugh. thank u, next
oh, also, yeah, smurf it, #teamcersei at this point. Other than her faith militant mishap, she's comfortably the most intelligent person on the show and deserves her victory.
And that's lazy as smurf, and a big smurf you to the fans of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I'm actually kind of with you on Lyanna Mormont. She was great when she told off Jon and Sansa, then meanmugged Ramsay, then declared Jon King in Da Norf. After that, I wouldn't have minded her being around in scenes or even having lines, but they just turned her into the brat because HAHA BAD ASS KID. I think her actress was great, they just used the schtick a little too much. I think she was very brave, but she should've listened to Jorah and gone down in the crypts, because she was the future of her house, and now it's gone. I like how she went out, though, and thought it was completely bad ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Yeah, that's hollywood for you. :gator:Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxAnd that's lazy as smurf, and a big smurf you to the fans of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
well i, for one, am glad the night king is dead. he was a wight supremacist, after all
Now that we've seen Melisandre's full story, I think it's easier to see why GRRM had previously called her the most or one of the most misunderstood characters.
I think early on a lot of people thought of her as an evil witch, putting leeches on yer boy Gendry or orchestrating the burning of Shireen. And people ascribed these actions to malicious intent, or thought the lord of light was either evil or just an excuse for the actions of a madwoman.
But now it's easier to see she was more of a pragmatist, prioritizing the grand scheme of things over the moral outcomes in the moment. She was genuine in her beliefs. She definitely wasn't infallible, she could only go off what the flames showed her at the time which is a bad wifi connection at best. But I think at this point, in this world, we've seen that the lord of light is real. Early on you might have been able to pass it on as superstition or schizophrenia but now the game is showing its true colors.
Also, she knows I exist and I'll forever be giddy and flying to the moon about it.
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Carice van Houten was awesome, but I will never like Melisandre because I hate religious fanatics. Beric was annoying too, but he was kind most of the time, so he sort of gets a pass.
I don't know, unlike, say, the Faith of the Seven, there's clearly something to this R'hllor business. When it has the power that we've seen it have I can understand being fanatical about it.
I'm an atheist and if a person resurrects a man I just watched the Hound nearly cut in half by saying a prayer, I might not believe it's an actual god, but I will believe it's capable of some crazy trout I didn't think possible.
I still don't have to like it.
Oh I'd smurfing hate it. But I'd be less confused about why people get fanatical about it at least. I suppose that's something. Nothing good but maybe slightly less frustrating?
Most people I've seen are upset with how they handled Arya's surprise killing of the Night King, but guess what they're doing with Bronn? How many people have already forgotten he was sent to kill two of our favorites after a week when they couldn't remember Arya was set up to kill the blue eyes five minutes before it happened? The question is whether he will actually do it or get payed double by Tyrion.
(Viserion used bite. You take 47 damage. Viserion used flame attack. It misses. Viserion used claw attack. It super effective! You take 103 damage. Rhaegal withdraws.)
So I was thinking about Melissandre.
She knew she was supposed to be at winterfell but she just didn't understand when. She was there with Stannis, and Jon, and now this. I guess she was like "oh...... okay okay okay... it's this time. I got it."
Lord of Light could be a bit more clear.
Also, watch this montage about theon as it's great.
It's hard to justify Melisandre's actions considering, among other distasteful things, that she was wrong in regard to the specificsm. The Lord of Light being real doesn't actually provide any more justification for her actions. When you come right down to it she still overconfidently assumed that sacrificing a child would be for the benefit of the greater good and it wasn't. She was wrong to present herself as knowing more and stoming Stannis' fanaticism when she didn't know trout.
I know, it's almost like burning innocent children is something that can't be forgiven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Golbez
Unless you're Theon.
Theon showed remorse and suffered for his actions. Melisandre didn't. Also, Theon even says that just because he didn't kill Bran and Rickon doesn't mean that what he did was in any way less heinous.
Melisandre literally never gave a trout she murdered Shireen and tons of other people lol
Honestly I think Theon became the character I empathized with the most over the course of the show. He was a dumb little trout who did something really smurfing heinous, paid for it in ways worse than anyone should be put through, developed one horrific and justified case of PTSD in a culture with no understanding of it, and still tried to find ways to do better and be a better person even though he thought he was irredeemable. Bran telling him he's a good man gets me right in the feels.
Tbh, I don't even think him betraying Robb was that out of line. Ned Stark smurfing kidnapped him as a child. Why should he feel particular allegiance to the people literally holding him hostage? :lol:
Oh yeah I don't think that was crazy out of line. I can't blame him for wanting to be part of his birth family and jumping at the opportunity to please them. It was more murdering those boys that I meant.
I know you did, and I very much agree with that statement, I'm just throwing it out there: the Starks might have been kind to him, but he really did owe them nothing in the way of loyalty. Ned especially (the show sort of retconned this both from the books, and within the lore of the show itself) always made sure Theon knew he was a hostage, not part of the family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slothy
AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT
Sansa didn't smurfing betray her family. She did not conspire with the Lannisters. She was a little girl who was being manipulated by a woman she looked up to, and even then, tried to gently argue on her father's behalf. The note she wrote to her family was under duress, which WOW it's almost like Catelyn said that same thing immediately. And as soon as Ned was killed, Sansa completely stopped trusting the Lannisters.
I haven't seen anything about that here, but all over the internet I see "Sansa's such a dumb :bou::bou::bou::bou:, she's a traitor to her family". Okay. She was a naive child being held captive. Nothing she did actually affected her family's situation at all. Let it gooooo.
I think if Theon himself read your post he'd actually disagree with you and say he did owe the Starks loyalty, and would think so even at the point in the story when he was capturing Winterfell.Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxI know you did, and I very much agree with that statement, I'm just throwing it out there: the Starks might have been kind to him, but he really did owe them nothing in the way of loyalty. Ned especially (the show sort of retconned this both from the books, and within the lore of the show itself) always made sure Theon knew he was a hostage, not part of the family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slothy
Despite Ned's firm parentage, Theon still perceives him as a second father and Robb as his brother. It was always his wish that Ned would marry him to Sansa and truly take him on as his son. While the concept of taking a child hostage is in and of itself horrible, from whatever can be gleaned from his childhood in the books Theon seemed to actually prefer being raised in Winterfell to Pyke. I think Theon felt he owed the Starks something in the way of loyalty, which is why what he did wasn't an easy choice.
One thing the show did so much better than the books - and this is a rare sentence indeed! - was having Theon write that letter to Robb warning him about his father refusing Robb's offer and counselling him to marshall his defences... and then burning it.
It's just an achingly sad story about an unwanted and lost young man who is just craving for love and acceptance. He hurts people he cares about to try to gain it and goes down a truly dark path. I think the philosophy of Stannis is best applied here - the good act doesn't wash out the bad and nor does the bad wash out the good. On a side note, I can't wait to see how Stannis capturing Theon is going to play out in the books - that's a really interesting character pairing that I don't think we saw in the show.
It's a credit to the story that I can empathise with and fully understand why he burned those two young boys and beheaded Sir Rodrik, as abhorrent as it was, and that I can support and root for his attempt at redemption.
For what it's worth, I just started rereading the series, so I'll have to reflect on my thoughts there. And I always thought Robb wanted to marry Theon to Sansa, not Ned. ANYWAYS.
Yes, that will be an interesting character pairing. Considering Stannis' particular form of justice, he might consider Theon's crimes absolved at this point, strictly from a point of balance.
Regardless my original point that show!Theon deserves redemption and show!Melisandre doesn't is because Theon feels remorse and actively works to do better. Melisandre never feels bad about burning Shireen. At best, she admits that Stannis wasn't Azor Ahai and she made a mistake. What she does during the Battle of Winterfell isn't an act of contrition, but just another part of her religious agenda.
Honestly, there's so much I'd like to see that's different. Like yeah, Stannis is still very much alive in the books. We don't know if he even has an end or not in the story. So I'm a bit excited to see what they do with everyone.
The show is its own thing, I mean it has been from the beginning. So I kinda hate being like "but in the books!" cause they only ever have been more loose in their comparisons. Like the whole Catelyn arc. Hell just the general lack of Wolves and warging the show has. They're really their own thing so I don't like being like "but this one point in the books said XYZ" cause they said xyz a lot and we are way past xyz
REREAD MY LAST PARAGRAPH YOU GRAPE
Happy Star Wars weekend my dudes.
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I’d just like to ask the father of the two farm boys whether he feels Theon deserves redemption... and yes, I am going to pull the father card here... if anyone burned and killed your child/children then you might feel a tad different.
I appreciate the lengths Theon has gone to do good since ‘sausagegate’ but he deserved to die and I’m glad he’s dead.
Edit: Also, why was Theon protecting Bran/TER from all those wights when the NK needed him for non-fighty/touchy-feely time??
Considering those two farm boys were orphans, probably their father didn’t have much of an opinion of if they died or not.
Re: the father card
If your son was stolen from you at the age of 5, you might be more understanding towards him turning into kind of a trouthead.
I appreciate we're talking about the show here, but interestingly in the book the father of those two boys is... Theon. (or at least strongly implied if not outright stated) Which of course makes it all the more monstrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
Understanding, yes. Forgiving? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
There's a difference between justice and vengeance. Parents usually want the latter and not the former. Therefore I don't actually care about the parents thoughts on what sort of punishment is justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
The torture he went through alone was worse than death would have been and he still had to live with the extreme trauma for years after. And since I firmly believe the goal of any system of justice should be to rehabilitate, I'm totally fine with a largely rehabilitated Theon at the end not being further punished for a crime he's largely suffered enough for already.
And no argument from emotions will ever change my mind on this for the record. Someone who actively works toward redeeming themselves and is plainly a changed human being in every way that really matters is always deserving of a second chance and forgiveness in my eyes.
And while I don't and never will have children, if I did I wouldn't want to be the person deciding how their killer is punished. I know I wouldn't be capable of executing justice and I refuse to become a murderer solely because someone I loved was murdered. Rationally I'd rather see someone redeemed and I'd rather other people continue to pursue that goal when I have experienced things that may render me incapable or unlikely of doing it myself.
Speaking of popular artists making music for the show, I remember a few years ago now when iTunes had something like "Catch the Thrones: The Mixtape" and had things like Snoop Dogg rapping about the Lannisters. The first few seconds of each song tend to be dialogue from the show.
A few of my personal favorites from that one:
Mastodon - White Walkers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4WYmTOjdI
Self explanatory. Also cool to listen to this season.
Killswitch Engage - Loyalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNz0V6cwSlE
A song for the unbowed, unbent, unbroken. Kicks total ass and is worth listening to 24 hours a day 365 days of the year.
Major plot points from tonight's episode were leaked. Whew lads.
Video out for one of the songs
Let us all mourn for the saddest death of the series: the possibility of a Jaime and Brienne relationship.
The rhaegal loss got me more than Messandei. It was such a surprise. I legit squealed in horror. Honestly, meh to messandei's death. I was never too attached to her.
Also, they should all listen to Sansa more.
Also wtf, Ghost had legit wounds, messing an ear even, and they just like "he's going to live with uncle Torumnd"
Tormund will treat him better than Jon ever has. >:( Also, I get the feeling this will be the last we see of Tormund, if not a small scene in the epilogue, which makes sense narratively. It's fine, he's gonna go back to doign whatever the smurf it is Tormund does and have adventures with his kick ass new dog.
How are you feeling with the death of Gendrya? Shippers on suicide watch tonight.
There's a sad dog all over Twitter.
I mean, I get it. But poor gendry. He was so excited and she just nopes.
Guy cant catch a break. Gets legitimized and still cant make a girl date him.
That look Daenerys gave Jon though.
Emilia Clarke has taken a lot of trout for her dead eyes but god damn if they weren't perfect for that scene wow
Those northerners sure are ahead of the rest of Westeros when it comes to some things.
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Winterfell is a major city, it's normal to have a Starbucks on every street.
I have to admire Sansa's dedication to the "Men in my family die when they go South" line. Men in your family also die when you reveal their closest secrets to the Lannisters, so let's hope you've learned your less... oh. oh no but sansa you're the smartest person arya knows
Also what the hell is this sudden squeamishness when it comes to collateral damage? It's a smurfing war, it's trout but it's not madness either. How many innocent smallfolk died in the Riverlands because of the Stark v Lannister war you engineered, Varys? Come on, dude, your hands aren't any cleaner. Daenerys isn't going to go around killing random people but oh she's mad because... idk? i guess she got a funny look in her eye? In Westeros, the worst thing she's done was to burn the Tarlys and that wasn't really a black-and-white issue.
I think the problem is what Dany's message has always been. She's always spoken of saving the smallfolk from tyrants; if she starts willfully burning people, she's a complete hypocrite. Her entire reason d'etre for taking the throne is gone. Also, keep in mind--there's still a trout ton of wildfire below King's Landing. If she attacks the wrong part, the whole smurfing thing goes up. Very likely she isn't condemning some innocent people, but the one million that is said to live there. It only took 3 little candles to bring down Baelor's Sept and a giant portion of the city.
I guess when you hold yourself to a higher standard, and use it for your claim, people expect you to stick to that standard? Of course, Daenerys has always deluded herself about her own morals. She aligns herself with slavers, rapists, child killers, and the like, so she's never been a good person. I'll say this: since she no longer has a birthright claim to the throne (and hasn't since Robert took it, don't @ me), right of conquest is the only thing going for her. But it just goes against everything she's always preached about.
Varys is the only one with a moral smurfing conscience right now.
The shortened seasons were a mistake.
Even if you have to create some other small side plot to pad some time, let's find a way to get Grey Worm and Missandei more than 3 seconds of screentime together, or have Jon and Dany not fall in love over a period of like 3 episodes, or have Jon actually spend time with his wolf, or have a solo White Walker episode like Westworld did for the Ghost Nation tribe. It's not like they're following a blueprint anymore.
Shout out to the new prince of Dorne who was mentioned just so the show could say "we totally remember that place exists, right?"
They're really gonna do Ghost like that? Your boy is MISSING AN EAR and you can't console him at all? smurf it, he'd be happier north of the wall surrounded by nothing.
So this aged well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart
Btw is there some sort of stalemate rule or something when the Hands come together to discuss terms? Dany shows up to the front gates of King's Landing with like 12 unsullied and after it goes sour they're just allowed to leave I guess?
i never expected them to ever become an actuall couple, and it seems i was right.Quote:
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arya will never yield to a domestic life
Uh no. That was just to add details to the strategy meeting not remind us Dorne exists. They could have said the Duchess of Dollet for all it matters, but it makes more sense to mention places that have actually been established as existing in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart