The JENOVA-theory (SPOILERS AHEAD)

Thats very true, a clone is an exact look alike but in the world of FFVII a Sephiroth clone is someone seen as being as strong and having abilities equal to that of Sephiroth. Dont believe me? Then open your copy of FFVII and start playing. When Clouds past is uncovered in the lifestream they hold a meeting on the Highwind. He then says that the cloning process was just spraying normal members of soldier with Mako. Like I said before, and again before that. Its a misunderstanding of what exactly is a clone. While you may be correct on what a clone is in real life this is Final Fantasy. The sephiroth clones were kids injected with jenova cells? No, as far as the FF storyine was concerned Sephiroth was the only one who received Jenova cells as a child and if you pay attention Im pretty sure he received them through his mother while he was in the womb. This was a private experimentation on Hojos behalf because ..well he was crazy. Trust me there wasnt a bunch of pregnant woman being injected with jenova cells. The whole process of spraying every member of soldier with Mako was to make them Sephiroth clones. Yes thats right, what Im saying is Shinra wanted to breed an army of Sephirots.

Are you suprised? How exactly did you work out the Seph clones were all kids? True thats how Sephiroth was created but Shinra used a different method. Which pretty much didnt work except for the black cloaked men and they werent between five and seven years old when they received the mako. The clones you saw in the game were Soldiers who were all injected with Mako as adults. They were not Nibelheim townsfolk because they were majority (or all) killed in the fire.

Again, check the part in the game on the highwind, after the lifestream. Cloud says that the cloning process was just spraying soldiers with mako. In different levels of mako, having different effects.

it's just obvious that these guys arent proper clones ( i mean real Life) by the evidence i gathered i asked myself what happened to the survivors of nibelheim well they were captured for experimentation so no one would know what happened.

well Sephiroth may not of had mako in him but if he did fair enough.
well i refer to cloud as a human not a clone as he hasnt got the same genetic codes as sephiroth nor finger prints etc.
Cloud was a strange one as he and zack escaped before the cloning process was completed therefore in technical words he aint a clone but very close to one as he escaped.


in some ways we are both right and wrong therefore no one can win this arguement

Id have said we both won :D

yeah but we did cover alot of ground of ff7 even though i never finished it i kept going on sites and learning about it.
it's really interesting and if only my game would work id go back on it but hey theres always the future PS2 version same with 8. dont spread it ok since some people will go belistic and call you retarded and that

Um...thanks for the warning.

the reason i know alot is because i help my friend with his game and i watch him go through ff7 technically it's our file he named a character Spyke after me and you can guess lmao.

the warnings ok as ive gone through it

Ok. *wades through it all*

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I think where alot of the questions about the Sephiroth clones and Cloud arise from is WHAT exactly IS a clone.

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In the FF7 world, a Sephiroth clone is anyone injected with Sephiroth/Jenova cells in the hope that they will be more like him.

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give it a rest people theres evidence to say that cloud is a human not a clone you see Tifa knows him from CHILDHOOD and they didnt clone sephiorth till around the start of the game, the supposed sephiorth clones are in fact survivors of the nibelheim incident who were captured and forced into similar experiments sephiorth was.

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1. Hojo's been trying to clone Sephiroth for years and years and years.
2. There were no survivors of Nibelheim. More like, the failed Sephiroth clones were paid to act as normal Nibelheim citizens.

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Cloud was sprayed with Mako. That makes him a Clone.

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Nope. Jenova cell injections made him a clone.

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If you know half as much of the game as you seem to think you yourself saw the hidden flashback where both Cloud and Zack were in Mako filled tubes in the basement of the Shinra mansion. That was the cloning process. Now pay attention. This will seriously mess with your head. Cloud went through the cloning process-This makes Cloud a Clone. This isnt theory. Its fact. If you dont agree you havent played the game. If you'd even bothered to read my post properly (if you read it at all) you'd see that Cloud lived a normal life in Nibelheim, Joined Shinra, Failed to become a soldier like sephiroth, got sent on a mission with sephiroth and a soldier named Zack, Completed the mission and witnessed Sephiroth go crazy, defeated Sephiroth , Him and Zack got put in Mako tubes and went through more Mako than average members of soldier but managed to escape before it had serios effects.

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All Shinra guards are given mako - Zack and Cloud had already been through that. In the Shinra Mansion, they were being given Jenova cell injections.

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you got the term of clone wrong as cloud lived a life and didnt look exactly like sephiroth. the so called clones were infact people who were captured and experimented on till they became a sephiroth look alike they were more of a clone than cloud was, cloud underwent the same experiments all members of SOLDIER did and if he survived he was recruited into SOLDIER.

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Did you see the faces of any of the other clones? How do you know they were Sephy look-alikes?
Cloud was a clone, by the FF7 definition.

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well Sephiroth may not of had mako in him but if he did fair enough.

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Sephiroth definitely had mako in him.

>.<

Sephiroth saw JENOVA and realized he was created out of a DREADFUL expirement and began to hold as grudge against the Shin-ra. then later the world. He tried to destroy the world with meteor and JENOVA DID infuse with him but Sephiroths grudge was a LOT stronger than JENOVAS so he used JENOVAS power to control the other 'Brothers, Some of these "Brothers" Try to find their "Mother" two years AFTER the beating of sehiroth.

Two years later..... The Shin-Ra go to the northern crater in hope to find something and find nothing....then they run into a gang.. Names are Kadaj Loz and Yazoo. They are also brothers but they yearn for their mother. Jenova. And they take all people infected with Geostigma, (decendants of those infected with Jenova Cells.), totake revenge on the planet. Later Kadaj finds Jenovas head and infuses with it, now he didn't becoma a slave, He bacame Sephiroth, Remember, his will took over jenova.

He then says to Cloud, "I want to use this planet a a ship to travel to the darkness of this universe. To make a new planet, just like "Mother" did long ago.'

Cloud: "What will happen to this planet?"

Sephiroth: "Who knows?"

This answers the question on who was cloud chasing in the game.

It was REALLY Sephiroth.

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Originally Posted by feioncastor

Cloud was definitely not a succesful clone, which is which is why he doesn't have a tatoo, right? All of the Sephiroth clones got a tatoo of what number they were.

So I gotta know, was Cloud really a failed experiment? And if not, was he really injected with Jenova cells? And if so, then why would they inject some guy with Jenova Cells if they weren't experimenting on him?

This game is so complicated.

Feion

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What I think is that yes, cloud was a failed experiment. He and Zach were near death after the reacter, and were injected with Jenova cells to try to replace Sephiroth. But they escaped before anything worse happened.

Hers what I know.
1 All soldiers are infused with Mako and go through various things to be considered Soldier
2 Cloud was to weak to make it into soldier so he was amde a ShinRa grunt
3 As a grunt he met Zach and I dolized Sephiroth
YADA YADA YADA
4 Cloud and Zach are expiremented on By hojo
5 Zach shows no signs of reaction to the Jenova Cells while cloudgets sicka and such and such
Sorry if I reposted stuff

Hey kids--

We don't post in threads that are over a year old.

It just isn't done.

(you can restart this topic though if you like, but mang, let's let this topic slide into oblivion)