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I don't like Cliff at all, he was solid but nothing special.
My reasoning for disliking Melissa, she recorded crap with Hole, didn't add anything to the Smashing Pumpkin, and released a crap album on her solo album. The bass work on those albums are overly simple and barely is noticable.
Tony Choy is another mention of an amazing bassist.
Oh yeh, I've heard some ELP and King Crimson and yeh i agree Mr Lake is good - somewhat overshadwoed by Keith Emerson in ELP though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushed Hope
Also, I think Michael Rutherford of Genesis is good, and John deacon is not bad either (very underrated).
In any case, what's all this insinuation about Dream Theater having 'incoherent songwriting'??
Their songs are nothing but vehicles for solos and are typically emotionally lacking.
That is definitely not true. Seriously, if you think that, you need to listen to Octavarium (the 24-minute song at the end of the album of the same title) - it is my favouritest song of all, it's so beautiful, I promise if you hear it it will dispel any of these misguided notions that their songs are emotionless technical wankery. Admittedly they do have a lot of very technical solo passages, but that in itself is surely not a bad thing? Rite?? (I mean if you think that you're hardly gonna like ELP and PoS...)
I have heard it, and it is a decent song at best. That particular song, Pull Me Under, and A Change of Seasons are the only songs of theirs that I really care for.Quote:
Originally Posted by profskett
PoS are not really outwardly technical, their technicality lies in intricate arrangements and what not. ELP are a bit of both, but due to their awesome song writing it doesn't really detract from the experience.
While I'll agree that "Celebrity Skin" wasn't good compared to "Live Through This", it certainly isn't "crap". I reckon its pretty good, just doesn't agree with the ears because of it's desire to be on the radio. It's deliberate mainstream-ness is a little bothersome. It's like they sing it and expect to see a million people cheer their name afterwards. A bit like The Killers :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Crushed Hope
I think the Smashing Pumpkins were already perfect. What's to add? However, some of their live work lost some of the Adore era sheen of perfection and the songs got harder and darker with Mellissa's bass work. Hear "The Sacred & Profane Tour" versions of "Zero" & "BWBW" to believe me. Also the Final Show's "F**k You" is what the studio version SHOULD have been 5 years before.
As for her album, it was a enjoyable clash between Pumpkins and QOTSA. I really quite enjoyed it on release, but its not a favourite now. As for noticable thing, perhaps you don't notice it because its not crap. Do you only like bass work thats in your face and screams out to you? That doesn't define "GENIUS", it just defines "SHOW-OFF". Or just shows that other players are lacking. The bassist provides a backbone of a band, not the heart.
Neither. Roger Waters.