As I mentioned before, I found out who the Pained is at night. It's not Pumpkin. If Punokin is also a Pained, that means there are at least two.
As I mentioned before, I found out who the Pained is at night. It's not Pumpkin. If Punokin is also a Pained, that means there are at least two.
Interesting also once you guys Lynch me you will know by two night kills. Pained are only in it for themselves, so if two night kills happen or attempted then she is Pained.
Yes I don't think I will survive today.
And I did not ignore her roleclaim? Everything she said fits both with the narrative and people claiming that she was roleblocked - she can mark a person in the narrative with sweets, so she'd know what her target is doing, but no one got marked as sweets, and yet she was there in the narrative, so that really makes sense. More sense than the village idiot being called a village idiot in this game.
(FYI, Laddy's a man)
I know Laddy is a guy. However
I know Pumkin was blocked.
I know she was attempting something
She role claimed without fear of what it could do to town.
All that hat makes me think she is a witch.
If I die two Human aligned players will be targeted for death in the night phase if she is Human Aligned. You are saying that is the best way to check if I am telling the truth? Or would you rather see Human aligned players lose two?
You mean besides the fact that I have been describing my night ability twice? I can target someone and see what abilities they have been target with. From that I can ask Karifean to explain one of them. I asked him to explain Intimidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Oh as for the target comment, if you really thought either FFNut or I were the witch then going after us would have already put a target on your back. Though you have admitted to essentially being the cop but that's not my fault. That could also be a lie and you could know who is Pained because it is you. From the information you gave us, your character is male and you have a cop-like ability. Enough clues to guess and someone could try calling you out and trigger it. Maybe that's your end game?
Also, from my understanding whoever has the Intimidate ability could use it to protect you (Fynn) at night or if there is another doctor-like role. So you're not that much in danger.
Also notice I gave two interpretations for the narrative basEd on the information had. Either points to you or Pumpkin thinking about leaving their room during the night. It is possible that there is another character with a candy theme but I'm not familiar with the game/theme.
Yeah, I've been busy working and stuff. Lemme read the thread
Good luck, Laddy!
Also, since you admitted to being a male character and a male character received a note during Halftime, was it you Fynn?
Because everyone has been suspiciously quiet on that detail.
Yes they have, which further points to are Fynn and Pumpkin working as a tandem. I should be honoured I am top of their hit list.
NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
If Pumpkin is telling the truth than she's not the one who received it as far as I know. I think the narrative had said a kid gave a man the note?
The only thing I have admitted to is that my role allows me to identify who the Pained is. Of course, this does not rule out me being a witch due to the abilities not being connected to alignments, but I can confirm that I only knew who the Pained is on day 2.
All right, I can say I definitely apologize for being so busy.
Considering we're so sparse on information, here I begin to hint at my ability: All I can say is I believe the Night 2 narrative was modified and I may have some clues as to why. Because the night actions are so vague, I can't say much about what they mean but keep in mind the Narrative may be misleading.
Are you saying that because you changed it? Or is your action not mentioned in the write-up? Because, honestly, I can't really see how my action fits into the write-up either
I was given information about someone taking notes and discussing talking to a boy with a sword. Candy copied the notes the boy with the notepad took and then proceeded to sleep.
The write up focused on like four characters so it could just be a glimpse or something was omitted. There nothing to say that Karifean has to mention EVERYONE in his write ups.
Also, I know one line hasn't been changed for a fact. #secondaryabilities
Also vague Laddy is vague. Anything more to give us regarding this? Like what sort of information you are privy to that makes you believe that?
Fynn is still not addressing the note. Quelle surprise.
I'm not sure, it's possible I'm privvy to game knowledge that someone else intends to keep hidden.
I can confirm Laddy didn't lie with that statement.
Looks like someone used a protective ability on whomever candy is, I'd wager, whereas candy seems to have an investigative ability.
That's so vague. Unless you haven't revealed your statement? I can't remember who is left. There is one person. Share with the class, please?
Also, Fynn nothing stops you from lying. You could simply be saying that you have a night skill to reveal the Pained but in truth you are the Pained. Also, any narrative with you would have me in it because I used my skill on you so assume we'd be close proximity in the narrative.
I also know one line in the narrative wasn't modified.
If a Pained's identity or ability is revealed, their goal changes to wanting to survive alone and kill everyone else.
That's my statement.
Okay so we did see that before. Speaking of which indefinite article usage. Might hunt t more than one Pained. Or just vague enough to keep us guessing.
I have addressed it. I said I didn't receive any note.
Of course I could be lying - everybody could. But whether you specifically believe me at this point is moot. At this point I expect you'd like to know as much about my skill as you can, since you've already mentioned you suspect I'm a cop, even though the only thing I said was that I knew who the Pained was. I don't think you'd be so quick to out me as such if you weren't a witch, since town kind of needs a cop
You outed yourself and I just expanded on it. Plus if the cop is outed then he can be protected, just like I said before. You can continue to twist it to try and frame me. Also, you have given enough info that someone could out you almost as if you were a Pained who wanted to play by their own rules.
Notice how I never tried to identify you or your ability strictly. I use the term cop-like. You admitted as much yourself that you have some sort of investigative powers. So don't cry wolf now.
Keep in mind that we lost Quin whose ability was "defend". Might be we lost our doctor.
I'm Not using my as justification that I'm not a witch since, as I was saying, abilities aren't tied to alignments. I merely thought that it's unlikely that Pumpkin is Pained when I know for a fact that there's another Pained. As I told Nutty later, he's right that there could possible be more Pained, but that would make the game pretty unwinnabld since you'd potentially have at least two more people who want to prevent both Humans and Witches from winning.
I'm also not trying to twist anything - but you pressuring me in this regard doesn't paint you as innocent in my eyes. To be fair though, I do understand being suspicious of everybody, so that's fair game, I guess. I'm much more convinced it's Nut at this point.
*my ability
I pretty much trust no one at this point.
Also Intimidate is still at play and prevent a nightkill but can only single target now. So we have some protection.
I think Pained is to prevent massive ability claims. Let's be honest, there'd be much more ability claiming going on if it wasn't for that mechanic. And given the use of indefinite article we can't rule out there being more than one. So we have to be careful. Think twice about it. I honestly think that Karifean is enjoying making us all paranoid.
It would be really helpful if we got that last purple statement at this time
I mean, Scruff, I'm not pressuring you and I know that you opting not to say it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a witch since there are many reasons why you'd do that, but we are all still working off of very limited data. I mean, perhaps limited data is better than all data with even MORE false statements than now, but still, it could help
Maybe there's some additional rules regarding the Pained or the Cynic - or hell, the village idiot!
OH FOR THE LOVE OFQuote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
Should I temporarily break up with him just so people don't think literally every action I take in this game is to protect him?
Please don't.
Also Scruff or Laddy want to add more? I'm about to go into work. Come onnnnn. You know you wanna.
Don't you dare break up with him.
Also, I sorta realized that whoever is sending the notes probably has the "Whisper" ability.
ShhhhhhhhhQuote:
Originally Posted by FormalhautOH FOR THE LOVE OFQuote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
Should I temporarily break up with him just so people don't think literally every action I take in this game is to protect him?
There, there :soothe:
I mean, I'm joking, but damn guys. I'm not thinking with my penis here.
Anyway, I've kinda been thrown back after I realised it isn't a mass-roleblock so much as a mass-protection. The candy girl in the statement then is either Pumpkin saying she didn't use her ability (and thus that is Lamb), or in fact her target (who was eating sweets). Am I getting this right?
As for the cynic, I can tell everyone that I certainly didn't send or recieve any letters. I mean, I can't prove that, but I thought I may as well address that directly. I think it is the cynic who can send letters, as that would make sense for the traitor to be able to have occasional contact with the witches.
Thanks for your input Laddy! Scruff's also been quiet today. We should probably see what he has to say as well. Still think Nutty is the most viable candidate, in my opinion.
I would've said you were thinking with your heart but ok :erm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
So I've been thinking about this, and really, if I was Pained, my strategy would be pretty stupid.
Either I am correct in who I think the witches are, they get lynched and then.... I lose
OR they aren't witches, innocent people die, suddenly extra people are being killed at night and I'm the only one who has role claimed and no one trusts me anymore after like tonight and then... I lose
I mean I get that I'm not the most brilliant tactician but I'm also not an idiot, come on guys
I was thinking similar to you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FynnI would've said you were thinking with your heart but ok :erm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
I propose me, TSoL, Carny, and Formy create an alliance for queer dudes. Who's with me?
And Formy and Carby are kinkier than I thought. I bet they Mafia roleplay too. ;)
Queers against the world?
I always get excluded from queer dude groups :(
It's discrimination is what it is is what it is
I agree :stare:
Fynn can join if you want, but there'll be initiation. ;)
Fynn likes daddies. Maybe us queer dudes can hook him up.
Also, about the game: I'm not buying Pumpkin automatically being Pained. It is a hell of a stretch to assume that the person who roleclaims first must be the Pained. I mean, TSoL and Fynn have all but stated in capital letters what their ability is (which is one of the possible ways to trigger someone). Nutty is believed to have an investigative role (though that might not be enough detail to trigger).
And the Pained could still be in the other four people who haven't roleclaimed. Or maybe it was TSoL when he stated what he knew about the Intimidate ability. Point is, it could be any one of us and unless there's greater evidence, I don't think Pumpkin should be treated as the Pained just because we know her ability.
It's a very limp stick to beat someone with.
Hehe
Limp
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Originally Posted by Fynn
Now ow you are just being silly... LolZ Limp.
I am suspicious of anyone who literally claims their ability by name and role by name as Pained. Fynn and I haven't done that though there is evidence enough to figure it out.
Easy to find a Daddy for Fynn.
Also, I was more upset you didn't accept Pumpkin because technically dude is pretty gender-neutral, so she could belong :p
In any case, yeah, I agree that while there might be more Pained, I doubt Pumpkin would just decide to put herself just like that this early
I'm more like, I want to be a daddy? Like, you know, an actual parent thing that throws around dad jokes and none of that scanDALOUS KINKY trout Y'ALL NEED JESUS
http://mysticinvestigations.com/para...Holy-Water.jpg
You want to put some Jesus in me? Scandalous Fynn. ;)
:flirt:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Okay, so now that we've managed to diffuse some tension, I think it's time we got back on track
Not sure if my estimation is correct, but I think we have around seven hours left. Nothing so far has convinced me to change my vote yet, but who knows?
Yeah. I'm leaning towards voting for Nutty myself, in fact. Even though I've largely been absent, his arguments are bizarre and his insistence on sticking to his guns when they seem to be failing him seem awfully desperate.
Sticking to my guns because that's all I have. I have no hidden anything, I laid it all on the table. I will make it easy for you all.
##Unvote Pumpkin
##Vote FFNut
someone out there finish me off. Also remeber I know Pumkin is pained and the duel kills on the night will prove it.
##vote: FFNut.
I can't say why I am right now as I'm at work, but believe me the wait will be worth it.
Here's a hint: Quin's truth is about me.
I am a witch, my ability is re-write. Hurry up and vote me already, I am done playing now
A majority lockdown has occurred. The vote is now locked down. Unfortunately since I am at university right now the end of phase post will have to wait.
Wow, as if you're prioritizing University rn
So you're the Witch of Truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
In any case, I fear I may have started a weird trend in the last game...
More debates ensued as people who'd been quiet previously appeared to be visibly shaken by Keiichi's death and started engaging more in conversation. And although there were some slight distractions along the way, ultimately the conclusion was already set in stone - they had decided that the culprit was... wait, my self-insert, are you serious? Well damn.
Even the accused themselves eventually accepted their fate, and not long thereafter, the decision was made. And finally, a gunshot rang out, ending it.
FFNut has been lynched, they were Tohya Hachijo, Witch Aligned Script Editor.
It appears as though things are starting to look up for the humans...
Umineko OST - ALIVE
Final Vote Tally
FFNut - 5
Nighttime Phase 2
You have 24 hours to send me a Night Action PM. If I get all of them before the 24 hours are up and nobody mentions that they'd like more time to potentially reconsiders, the phase may end early.
Well done team! :D
God damn, I missed the whole day! Sorry guys.
I'll make it up to you all tomorrow evening, honest!
u suck
Only a witch would say with certainty that they would be alive tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
WITCH. BURN THE WITCH.
Now that I'm done work, I'll let you in on my secret. I am Kyrie, the Critical Mind, The Witch of the Truth - aligned. My goal is to eliminate all other witches and the Cynic. To this end, I co-operated with Nutty to obtain as much info as I could. It is why I lied about my truth (I'm still a witch after all), to show that I was on his side.
As far as my truth goes it was in Karifean's style. For those who said it wasn't, well you were wrong. All I did was change it from plural to singular, it is true that the cynic knows who the witches are but the witches did not know who the Cynic is.
During this time I also got Nutty's truth. It is that there are TWO Pained Human-Aligned. Also, that the Cynic has a day ability to communicate with anyone at Halftime. The note from the first day? Was sent from the Cynic to Nutty. While Nutty and I took it with a grain of salt, I will share what we learned. First, the Cynic's identity. Second, they implied that they can lie about their truth (if I remember correctly, I'm on my cell so can't easily check my PMs). They also implied that they have a nightkill. We cannot confirm this because of the massive protection used last night.
The other side of this is that Nutty didn't perform his ability last night. Instead I convinced him to do the nightkill and use my Deduced ability. We targeted Carny. The thing is, I can't nightkill which is why I forced him to do it. This also leads credibility to the Cynic's implied nightkill ability. If true they will kill tonight, possibly me since I'm about to blow their cover.
I strongly suspect the Cynic has the ability Whisper and that is how they are sending the notes. I will reveal the Cynic's identity if all the other humans promise not to lynch me tomorrow but the Cynic instead. If this is promised, I will reveal their identity so you guys can perform the appropriate night actions upon the cynic. I would suggest to use Intimidate on them so they can't kill and if there is a cop, use their ability on them to confirm my story.
I told the truth about my Deduced ability and how it works. It has a secondary ability that during the first half of the day I can pick a part of the narrative and ask Karifean if it has been modified and he will tell me at Halftime.
As a show of faith, I will Deduce whoever you guys want tonight and share my list and can collectively decide what ability you want explained. I will also allow the group to decide the use of my secondary.
I am not sure if I will come up as just witch or Witch of the Truth if a cop investigates me. However, I am pretty sure the Cynic will show as such if investigated but I could be wrong.
That's a lot of info to process. I can promise I personally won't lynch you in order to give you a chance to confirm your story and for others to as well, but I can't promise I will immediately believe you about who the cynic is automatically
We aren't too sure the letter came from the Cynic themselves, it is the information that we are given and I am sharing it. I might be completely wrong and was given the wrong info.
Sure. I'm willing to give you the benefit of a doubt and I won't lynch you tomorrow. But I'm sure you understand that I'll need to think about whether I trust whatever comes up tomorrow
Oh I completely get that. That is why I shared Nutty's truth and offered my abilities to the service of the group. I understand it is a bit of a leap and that I was already suspicious to some before. I promise I can't nightkill. Things suggest if someone is nightkill tonight it is because of the Cynic. Thus it is important that we co-operated. Unless there is another nightkilling role.
Okay, wait. I'm not going to wade too deeply into this now, because I'm about to go to bed, but... did TSOL admit to being a witch?
Two pained seems excessive but that would explain the utter paranoia FFNut had about the pained role and why you've been pretty on edge about it too. There is the possibility that Quin was pained, but there's only a small chance of that. Also having a "human-aligned" witch would fit pretty well with the narrative, I feel. I guess we'll need to wait for more information
His claim is essentially that he's the opposite of the cynic. He's on the human side despite being a witchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
If we're supposed to lynch the witches in order to win though, does that mean we have to lynch him even if he is actually on our side, or does it basically shift to having to lynch the other witch and the cynic?
I admitted that I am a witch whose goal is to off the other witches, or witch in this case, and the Cynic. I'm kind of the the witch version of the Cynic I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
Yes, Pumpkin that's also why I was worried about Pained Humans because Nutty shared with me that there was two. It is why I suggested beforehand that there might be more than one Pained.
I believe I would count with humans because my conditions were met. Like how the Cynic counts as a witch in so far as win conditions are concernQuote:
Originally Posted by PumpkinHis claim is essentially that he's the opposite of the cynic. He's on the human side despite being a witchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
If we're supposed to lynch the witches in order to win though, does that mean we have to lynch him even if he is actually on our side, or does it basically shift to having to lynch the other witch and the cynic?
Yet you'd still have to die in order for the Hukans to win, yes? Otherwise why be considered a Witch?
The Cynic is considered a Human but does not need to die for the Witches to win. For the sake of victory conditions, Cynic counts as witch. It is merely if they are investigated they will come up as Human or Cynic Human. I am unsure how far our version of "cop" powers would work, or if we even have one.
But what if you're the Pained? It would make sense for you to betray the witches at this point since you'd be out to get everybody now that you've revealed your own identity and ability. Especially considering that you were the first to jump to this conclusion for Pumpkin - as if you were already thinking of that possibility for yourself
Fynn, I am a witch. Pained are Human-aligned.
Except this is utterly false, and I have evidence to prove this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
The Witch of Truth's goal is to be the sole survivor and kill everyone else.
This is TSoL's win condition. He confirmed he is The Witch of Truth, and now we can confirm he is mafia.
Whose truth said that? I honestly can't remember.
Mine. I've been waiting for the right opportunity to reveal it, and here it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Nutty's truth was that there was two Human-aligned Pained. Now you can say that I am lying, but this is why I am offering this deal and said what I have said to show you I am telling the truth and willing to work with the humans since we share a goal.
Also, you know I am a witch and I will come up a witch if there is a cop. I have no allies in this group at the moment except for the Cynic which I am offering up because it is my win condition and without my co-operation you will have more difficult time figuring who that out is.
Put it this way, as we stand right now treating mean like a Pained or treating me like a Witch is the same thing. What I am offering here is chance to work together and for me to prove myself. I do not have a nightkill ability and I am offering my Deduced ability to the collective service.
Scruff, how cute since I know from our correspondence that the Cynic can lie about their truths.
Oh, if you guys missed that the information I was ransoming? Scruff is the Cynic. His win condition is to kill all the humans.
To be clear, I know from the letter you sent Nutty on Day One that you can lie. I distinctly recall being shared that information.
How about we put my statement to the test and lynch you tomorrow, then? If I'm lying, I'm a Witch and an easy lynch the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Now that you have revealed the Cynic, I'm more inclined to believe you. It didn't really make sense for you to make us promise since having the cynic revealed and lynched would be beneficial to both you and us, and if the game hadn't ended when the cynic was lynched, you'd be proven wrong
How about we don't but say we did?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScruffingtonHow about we put my statement to the test and lynch you tomorrow, then? If I'm lying, I'm a Witch and an easy lynch the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
FYI you are a human who wins with the witches. Also, I admit to who I am and my role, my abilities, and all information I have gathered. The whole time you have been tight lipped.
Moreover, you hinted to the fact that you can night kill, so who is to say I would even survive the night? Not that would try to kill me now because it would make it obvious who the Cynic is. Actually if ANY nightkill happens it won't be me and all fingers will point back to you.
Hell, if there is a tracker, track me tonight and see what I do. I will use Deduce on whoever the human players ask.
See that's the thing Scruff, I can confirm my story overnight, what about you?
Exactly, you have more to gain from not lynching me tomorrow than anything. The day after? We will come to that. But for now, my deal is for one day to prove myself. Can't you give me that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
The way Scruff is attacking me and disinterested in finding out who the Cynic is just confirms his guilt.
When did he indicate he can night kill?
Also, wouldn't all of this be so much easier if we could all be honest with each other~~
The Cynic, Scruff, alluded to the ability to nightkill in his letter to Nutty on day one. I do not know if it is true and wasn't confirmed because of the massive Intimidate. We were both not sure if it was true or we were misunderstanding it. I am merely expecting the worst.
This is a pretty obvious mafia scramble move.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Your own Purple Statement confirms that the Witches don't know who the Cynic is. If you're saying you do, then your statement is a lie and contradicts what you're saying now.
There's also the part about my Statement, which confirms your alignment and role in the game. Your objective is to kill all of town and you're 100% mafia.
You probably realized that your only play was to fabricate a lie and paint someone else as the Cynic in order to buy yourself another day after Nutty outed you yesterday.
Also, I'm not willing to divulge anything about my role unless absolutely necessary.
I have been honest throughout ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
*yawns*Quote:
Originally Posted by Scruffington
And there is a purple statement that says the Cynic can send a note to the witches at half time. Go see Fynn's truth, he can back me up here.Quote:
Your own Purple Statement confirms that the Witches don't know who the Cynic is. If you're saying you do, then your statement is a lie and contradicts what you're saying now.
You mean the part where you can lie about your purple statement?Quote:
There's also the part about my Statement, which confirms your alignment and role in the game. Your objective is to kill all of town and you're 100% mafia.
Yeah but you sent Nutty that letter on Day One. Sounds like you are the one scrabbling. Even if I was lying, it would be their best lead, wouldn't it? I am their best chance at finding the Cynic. Also, even if I get lynched tomorrow they are after you next.Quote:
You probably realized that your only play was to fabricate a lie and paint someone else as the Cynic in order to buy yourself another day after Nutty outed you yesterday.
And I found the letter Nutty c&p'd me!
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Scruffington Here. I'm the third witch.
Pumkin in kind of exposed my role, which is somewhat problematic for me. I will 100% turn up as cynical Human aligned on Cop investigations, but I am going to attempt to use the 'having athe goal of the witch-aligned player to be false.
Im going to use this stragity against Pumkin at some point in order to get her lynched. I can't do it today as it is to risky and she would be revealed as town. But if I do it day two then the total townies will be down 3. (Assuming both kills go through).
I edited the above post because I messed up one of the BBCode tags. So there's that. Sorry.
How did I expose Scruffington?
I have no clue. I literally copied and pasted it and Nutty had said he copied and pasted his.
I think by revealing your purple truth
I lost track of whose is whose regarding those. Pumpkin was the Cynic one? Oh yeah Formy was the Pained.
Who's is who's*?
Pumpkin said there was a Cynic and what their goal is. Then my truth was about the note-passing
I agree that his statement is true. We've seen the letter be passed. Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Like I said, we can easily put my Statement to the test. Whether we lynch you or me, it makes no difference. You'll be lynched either way because you're definitely mafia.Quote:
You mean the part where you can lie about your purple statement?
Genuinely confused by what you mean. I outed your win condition as killing all townies, and in response you accuse me of being the Cynic. Seems like retaliation which is something mafia loves to do.Quote:
Yeah but you sent Nutty that letter on Day One. Sounds like you are the one scrabbling. Even if I was lying, it would be their best lead, wouldn't it? I am their best chance at finding the Cynic. Also, even if I get lynched tomorrow they are after you next.
And I found the letter Nutty c&p'd me!
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Scruffington Here. I'm the third witch.
Pumkin in kind of exposed my role, which is somewhat problematic for me. I will 100% turn up as cynical Human aligned on Cop investigations, but I am going to attempt to use the 'having athe goal of the witch-aligned player to be false.
Im going to use this stragity against Pumkin at some point in order to get her lynched. I can't do it today as it is to risky and she would be revealed as town. But if I do it day two then the total townies will be down 3. (Assuming both kills go through).
Lmao. Look at all of those basic writing mistakes. When have I ever wrote something like that? I'm a former English major for Christ's sake.
So Scruff, if I recall correctly, earlier in the thread you mentioned how you knew someone was a liar because of your truth or something to that effect. Now that you've revealed your truth, could you elaborate on what you meant?
Actually, Karifean pointed out during the game that if you get lynched (or nightkill?) it will only reveal if you are human or witch. That was way back.
Also, the typing could easily be put to cellphone usage. Hell, I did two humanities BA and I still make weird typos on cellphones and occasionally at a keyboard. So moot point.
Consider this Scruff, if you knew that there is a witch whose goal was to survive everyone, then why didn't you share it sooner? You could have caused a rift in the witches. For someone who would win with humans that would have been a HUGE advantage to make the two witches not trust each other and for the Cynic not to reach out to the witches. If you were human aligned to win then it would have been to all the other HUMAN ALIGNED benefit for you to share right away.
Also, we don't need a lynch to prove me right. If we have a cop they could just investigate you. If my letter is right, you will come up cynical human aligned. *blows kiss*
Pumpkin has a point, the only known liar you would have know, given that your truth is apparently only connected to Quin's, would have been mine regarding witches. The only way you would have known that is if you were the Cynic.
*drops mic*
It's actually less of a gamble to target Scruff now, tbh.
If Bobby is telling the truth and Scruff's the Cynic and Bobby's the reverse Cynic, so to speak, then we should immediately win the game right after Scruff gets lynched. If the game doesn't end, that means Bobby's lying and we can get him on the next day.
If we follow Scruff's advice, we kill Bobby and he flips witch, but the game won't end yet, since there's still a Cynic to deal with. Granted, Scruff will then get lynched on the next day, so we would have no way of preventing more any more deaths after the one potentially happening tonight.
Tl;dr: if we listen to Bobby, we might win on Day 3, if we listen to Scruff, we won't win sooner than Day 4
Him saying one of the truths is false kind of fits into the whole "I'll try to frame Pumpkin" thing that was in the note
And everyone, here is a man of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Also, like I suggested. If my information is right, whoever the cop is could investigate Scruff tonight.
Also, note I am offering the use of my ability and sharing any information I get at night.
It actually pertains to TSoL's Statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
This will all become very clear after I reveal my identity: I am the Cynic - Human Aligned.
However, I want to clear up a few misconceptions about my role:
1. I am able to send a PM to a Witch member. This corroborates with Fynn's Statement.
2. I do not know who receives it. This contradicts TSoL's Statement (which I was referring to earlier).
3. I do not have the goal of a 'Witch Aligned Player'. This contradicts your Statement.
I'm unsure what your statement suggests. I'm not the Pained and my win condition doesn't change. There's a few possibilities with your role. Perhaps you're the Village Idiot. Maybe you're lying and a Witch. Or there's a Witch that has planted a false truth in the game. I'm not sure what this means yet.
The way my PM works is I send a message to Karifean that I want the mafia to read. It's somewhat like the Jailer where the prisoner doesn't know who they're talking to. I don't know who received the PM, but I can confirm those were not the contents of it.
Yeah my statement was pasted verbatim so that's a bit strange. If your end goal is not the same as the witches, then why have the cynic role at all?
Probably because of my ability. I don't particularly want to reveal what it is, but I'd have to have some sort of handicap because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
We all know there is no Village Idiot Scruff, that was Nutty's lie. Also, people had a hard time believing it.
The problem is Pumpkin's truth says the Cynic wins with the witches, so you are now saying Pumpkin is lying. Sloppy.
I will give it to you that you may not know which witch your letter goes to, but my truth states clearly that the Cynic knows who the witches are and we do not know who you are. It is not my fault if you put your name in the bloody letter. You might not get to decide which of us received it but you do know who we are.
Because he is lying. He claimed his role because he knew if a cop investigated him he'd come up Cynic. Now he is twisting it so that he won't get lynched. Pumpkin your rule clearly states that he counts as a witch when it comes to victory conditions. And humans need all the witches gone if they are to win, including the Cynic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
Also, basically Scruff's post confirmed the information I had already shared. So even if I can't be trusted, I have been consistently sharing information and trying to help the humans whereas Scruffy has been vague to the point of obtuse. Only roleclaimed because he knew if he didn't it would just be confirmed by the next day anyways. However it was a catch-22. If he claimed, he proved me right and if he didn't then tomorrow whoever the cop is would have known I am right.
I'm using my phone right now. If I were owning up to my role in the game, why would I try to type differently? It's almost like you don't know how I write.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Fair point. I explained my reasoning earlier in the game, but I'll elaborate.Quote:
Consider this Scruff, if you knew that there is a witch whose goal was to survive everyone, then why didn't you share it sooner? You could have caused a rift in the witches. For someone who would win with humans that would have been a HUGE advantage to make the two witches not trust each other and for the Cynic not to reach out to the witches. If you were human aligned to win then it would have been to all the other HUMAN ALIGNED benefit for you to share right away.
My Statement is the one hard evidence I can use in the game. I was hoping there might come a time where I could expose the Witch of Truth (which you admitted to being). Also, I was saving it for a trump card in case our backs were up against the wall as town. That isn't a Statement that the mafia could really dispute. If they did, they would immediately be outed as mafia.
I mean can't be trusted in regards to Scruff saying my goal is to be sole survivor.
Well okay then
I'm convinced Pumpkin isn't lying since her truth aligns well with mine and there would literally be no point to the Cynic if that statement wasn't true. And since Scruff came out as a Cynic anyway, there's no doubt that he'll come up as such in the game anyway.
The only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether the rest of the thing Bobby said are true. Sure, we'll know after Scruff is lynched by seeing if the game has ended or not, but what if he had some ability he's not telling us about that might allow him to turn this around before we get to lynch him on day 4 should the game not end with the Cynic's death?
What, the, Scruff, is a Cynic supposed to be then if Pumpkin is lying about them (you) having the same goals as a witch?
I'm not so sure. Sure it's possible he lied, but I assume that all players in the game get a truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
I gave a few possible explanations for how she could have gotten her Statement without her lying. However, it's true that it isn't accurate with my win condition.Quote:
The problem is Pumpkin's truth says the Cynic wins with the witches, so you are now saying Pumpkin is lying. Sloppy.
Here you're straight up admitting to being mafia by staying "we" when referring to the mafia. Can the next Day start so we can lynch this fool already?Quote:
I will give it to you that you may not know which witch your letter goes to, but my truth states clearly that the Cynic knows who the witches are and we do not know who you are. It is not my fault if you put your name in the bloody letter. You might not get to decide which of us received it but you do know who we are.
I roleclaimed because it's going to be the final nail in your coffin. I'll gladly expose my identity if it means outing mafia, even if it makes me susceptible to a town lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Scruff, no need to insult my intelligence through personal attacks. I merely speculated that maybe you accidentally made typos while in a rush. Like chillax.
That makes no sense since Pumpkin's truth confirms that you win with the witches. You can't spin that any other way, she's a human and she can't lie.
That's not a personal attack. You flat out admitted you're mafia. That's a foolish thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
The only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.
I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?
Except he said he was a witch at the start of the night? He's to mafia what you are to town. You're not really doing yourself any favors by trying to turn it around like this.
Actually, I read that sentence as "...almost as if you don't know how to write" than "...almost as if you don't know hot I write". Okay, it is getting late. Sorry about that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScruffingtonThat's not a personal attack. You flat out admitted you're mafia. That's a foolish thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Why I am admitting to being a witch is what I explained earlier. I need Nutty and you dead to win. Simple.
See, I get what you mean and I sure as hell find your reasoning way more convincing than Scruff's, but why do you use your ability as leverage? You have the upper hand, Scruff will probably get lynched tomorrow, and that should be the end of the game if you're telling the truth. So why don't you just use your ability to benefit us all even if we can't all give you a guarantee that you won't be lynched tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanThe only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.
I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?
I don't really care anymore. Nutty got upset about Pumpkin and the Mognetting fiasco, so he decided to out himself and TSoL as mafia.
And now TSoL is trying to throw me under the bus when it's of no benefit for him to do so. He's going to die 100% because town has to lynch him in order to win. He's literally doing this out of sheer self-preservation.
I'm not really interested in getting thrown under the bus by a fellow mafia, especially after the game was already over after Nutty revealed who the mafia were.
I was doing my best to keep this game going and make things interesting, but apparently my efforts are futile.
Ugh
Guys, you really don't know how to rage-quit in style
Thanks for hosting Karifean. Sorry that the game didn't turn out as well as I'd have liked. My role was extremely hard with 3 people having truths that directly linked to me.
I wanted to keep things interesting even after Nutty exposed TSoL, but apparently he would rather throw me under the bus to give himself another day in the game.
Because I am human and spiteful (in the normal sense not in the game terms) and tired. I wouldn't have actually done it (probably?). Just everyone kinda ignored it so yeah was putting it out there aggressively.Quote:
Originally Posted by FynnSee, I get what you mean and I sure as hell find your reasoning way more convincing than Scruff's, but why do you use your ability as leverage? You have the upper hand, Scruff will probably get lynched tomorrow, and that should be the end of the game if you're telling the truth. So why don't you just use your ability to benefit us all even if we can't all give you a guarantee that you won't be lynched tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanThe only missing truth was Nutty's and that was about being two Pained. Unless Pumpkin is a Pained, then once Scruff is gone, we win. If Scruff is right, then you get rid of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I admitted to my ability and told you what it can do and offered it. You have until the end of the night to decide if you want to meet my terms. If not, then I assume you will all lynch me tomorrow and I will keep whatever I find out to myself.
I mean unless Scruff wants to share his ability with the rest of us and he can offer a better deal. Because if I am the only obstacle to your victory as he is claiming, then why doesn't he share his ability?
Scruff, as the Witch of the Truth I was never on your side. If I wasn't putting you under the bus now, I would have done it eventually. I was next after Nutty, so my only leverage was the Cynic. Hey, if my win condition didn't involve you dying then I would have acted differently.
Except it makes sense for him to do it if his actual goal is to sabotage the other witches
When you think about it, it does make sense that there be an actual opposite of the cynic
Even if Bobby's lying, we can still get him the next day, so it kind of goes without saying that Scruff should be lynched on the next day. But I can't help but still be kind of suspicious because of all that holding his ability hostage thing
Like I said, I was being a petty human. I can't be a witch all of the time ;)
Honestly, I will share my ability. Not like I can nightkill. *twiddle thumbs*
You know what would make this game REALLY interesting right now?
If I outed the Pained :p
OH MY GOSHQuote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
There is more than one. Plus by you knowing who they are and outing them you just line them up for lynching. Plus there is a second one somewhere. There are two.
I wonder if Karifean has something else up his sleeve that we didn't know about?
Except you're not doing it because of your win condition now.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
You're doing it because Nutty outed you and you were next on the chopping block. You're going to die either way, you just decided that you were going to expose me in order to keep yourself alive for one more day.
Well congrats dude. You're going to live for another day. And just like how Nutty revealed mafia (which is poor form), you've done the exact same thing to me.
Thanks.
Yeah I don't feel like having a lynch line. I would feel bad if I had to kill off half of the group
Yeah it would just be awkward then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
FYI there is like 11 hours before the night is done. So who do you want my skill to be used on?
I personally don't think it really matters at this point
I'm bad at math, I forgot the day ended early.
Come in Fynn, not you too!
There are a bunch of unknown abilities in play and Formy, Carby, and Laddy haven't said boo!
I'm just saying that if the game will end on the next day, it really doesn't matter who you use your ability on. So I say just go for whoever you're most curious about and let's get the night over with :p
But a deal is a deal. We haven't seen from Formy, Carny, or Laddy yet.
I wonder if it is my night ability that is holding off the next day?
Probably not only yours
I'm very interested into seeing the narrative and then maybe I'll give my input. :p
Fair enough. But still someone decide because I had offered and I am going to honor it.
Formy, then
I can never read that little guy :shifty:
Lmao. I will give it another hour or so. If no one else says anyone, I will see who targets Formy with what abilities tonight.
Well maybe if you guys didn't post during the night phase like it was the day phase :p
I just caught up. I'll post after the night to see what actually happened and go from there.
But Forms, we are allowed - encouraged, even - to talk at nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
I went to bed at 2:00am, content in the knowledge that there might be one or two posts, but nothing major that I can check again in the afternoon.
Didn't realise that was worth two-three pages!
I mean, it's all good. It just kinda made my heart skip a second. I thought for a second we were in the day phase!
Is it me, or did Scruffy give up WAAAAAY too easily? He definitely could have seen off TSOL's accusations if he'd had a mind too. I smell a trap.
Even if it is a "trap", we still have much more to gain than to lose
We'll see what we know by day 3 with our abilities
I'm just saying though: be cautious. Mafia usually only throw each other or themselves under the bus if they think they've got something to gain.
I mean, we should know that better than anyone, Fynn.
You INVENTED the "ludicrously over-the-top rage quit to distract from the other mafia" move.
And I perfected it.
I'm honestly pretty convinced with Bobby's - since the Witch of Truth was important enough to mention in the red statements, there must be more to that character mechanically. And a reverse Cynic doesn't seem that unlikely for this game.
But as I said, since we pretty much know that both Scruff and Bobby are mafia, we should probably get rid of them in that order as there's a chance we'll win tomorrow if he's telling the truth. I can really only see the trap option if there's a third witch - but we can still get them after lynching Scruff and Bobby.
Hmmmmmm. Mkay. Quite eager to go along with what you admit could be a trap, aren't you? Not accusing you yet, but... I'm watching you. :stare:
Pff. Okay then
Late at night, a young girl hears a knock on her door. She opens it, revealing two men. One of the two immediately draws his sword and threateningly holds it right in front of her, but the girl does not react in the slightest to this provocation. The other man seems a little embarrassed and asks the man with the sword to step back. Then he asks the girl if she minds if they talk for a bit, to which the girl just shrugs. The two of them head inside and talk about the situation they're in. The young man takes some notes, and eventually leaves to get back to his own room. As he leaves, the girl just sits there wondering why it was her of all people that had to have a sword shoved in front of her face.
Somewhere else, candy stumbles upon a girl intently watching a room door from afar. The girl seemed very engrossed in this task, so candy decided not to disturb her. It didn't appear anyone else approached the girl tonight so candy went back to candy's room.
The next morning, once again, not a single person was missing. Everyone nodded to one another. They knew what awaited them.
Umineko OST - Ruriair
Daytime Phase 3
You have 48 hours to vote on someone to be executed. Alternatively you can vote for "No Death". Whoever has the majority of votes by the end of the day will be executed, if "No Death" has the majority, nobody will be executed.
Halftime takes place in about 24 hours. After Halftime, if any option has more than 50% of players' votes at any point in time, the vote is locked down (any further votes and vote changes will be ignored) and the daytime phase ends early.
##vote: Scruffington
As if this needed any confirmation, but I checked - Scruff is indeed the Cynic
So that write up made sense to you?
The write up makes sense because the girl getting intimidated by the sword and the guy asking her questions refers to Fynn and someone else using their abilities on Scruff. The girl watching from afar is probably me because I targeted Formy.
Btw, no one except for me used their abilities on Formy. Sorry. :/
##vote: Scruffington
You mean Bobby's or Karifean's? Regardless, neither of them gave me the confirmation I needed.
At this point, this game is pretty much over, no matter how this goes over. So there's no point to concealing my identity anymore. I am Battler Ushiromiya, Mystery Enthusiast. My ability is Investigate, which means that I can learn the alignment of a given player with 100% certainty - this includes aspects such as the Pained and Cynic. At least one other player can attest, since I can also message the players I successfully investigated at halftime, but I don't want to reveal who they are since I'm not sure if that won't activate their Pained status.
Scruff's pretty much thrown his arms in the air anyway, but I wanted to be 100% certain. Of course, this could still be a ploy by both him and Bobby, but since we'll still get to eliminate them both with way more than enough time left, but eliminating the Cynic is still one of our goals. And now I have 100% certainty that Scruff is the Cynic
##Vote: Scruffington
Let's just go on to the next game. :p
We need to wait until halftime anyway :p
I mean if there's no point to it I don't plan on stretching this until Halftime ^^;
It would be hilarious if using your ability on someone who is Pained would trigger them. I can't recall the exact wording so I dunno if that's happen or not.
There are two Pained though. So that means, assuming Pumpkin is telling the truth, 2 out of the 3 other players are Pained. Formy, Carny, and/or Laddy. :/
In that case, how about we lop off my head now? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Karifean
I will admit this game has somewhat ran away from me at this point, but what I do know is that Scruffy has all but said he's the cynic. Therefore...
##Vote: Scruffington
I am so looking forward to the truth as revealed by Karifean though. I really need to be injected with clarity.
I really want to know who the two pained players are. But also I don't because, you know
Yeah, knowing who the Pained are will also mean knowing they are an activated SK.
Which isn't so bad, because we can then kill them. But still. Best not to poke that particular bear.
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Originally Posted by Formalhaut
I did say it though. :roll2Quote:
Originally Posted by Scruffington
One thing you will learn very quickly about me is that I almost never speak in certainties. Even when the thing is saying is definite.
Seriously, ask Mr. Carny. He'll ask me a simple question and I'll go 'probably' or 'I think'. :p
Candy girl has a mischevious young friend who rarely leaves her room. Otherwise, it seems the narrative is untampered my knowledge
I assume you guys would prefer I wait rather than toss a vote on Scruff, right?
You think, therefore you are. Probably?Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
Nah, I think at this point everyone's just eager to see what happens :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Laddy
And guys, we'll probably find out who the Pained are after the game is done
Sure okay
#Vote: Scruffington
##Vote: Scruffington
I'm still not convinced that this isn't some kind of trap, but Scruffy is definitely a witch, so we'd have to lynch him sooner or later anyway.
Exactly my pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
Might be that there's another witch that's been laying low and I'll die tonight leaving you guys with no surefire way to determine who they are :monster:
Who hasn't voted?
IF Scruff turns up innocent I might have have my suspicions on who the Witch is.
Oh, Scruff will flip town. If we understood correctly, we won't be able to see that someone is a cynic when they die because they are still, on the surface, "human-aligned"
The real question is, will the game end there. Because if it does, everything Bobby said is true. If not, we need to be prepared for potentially yet another witch. Unless the game will then end after we kill Bobby on the next day.
Seriously though, who HASN'T voted? I've completely lost track.
Or there is a Pained triggered, either through Fynn's ability or Pumpkin.
There are two Pained folks!
But who hasn't voted, though?
Is there anyone left who hasn't voted?
You mean Pumpkin?
Thank you, Karifean! :love: