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I like to think of Sephiroth as a tragic hero, rather than the greatest villian. I'm not sure what the greatest villian would be, as I don't play loads of RPG games, just Final Fantasy and those others that hang outside it.
Tragic hero, I think, because he was born into his fate unwillingly - still considered a hero to many until he went insane. IMHO
(I'm saying this a lot today) Oh...my...god...Quote:
All I'm hearing from DocFrance and Doom...dude (sorry, forgot your name) is nothing more than BLASHPHEMY!! IF YOU DO NOT THINK SEPHIROTH IS THE GREATEST VILLAN IN FF THEN YOU MUST BE EXILED TO THE FAR REACHES OF KNOWN SPACE! ....sorry..i just think you guys are wrong....<.<...>.>...
1. How is he evil? You want to see pure evil, try Luca Blight or hell, even Kefka. Now, as Doomy and Doc said, Luca Blight(or Kefka) fanboys aren't much better than Sephiroth fanboys, but at least the former were actually evil. The reason I, personally, like Sephiroth is that he's a sympathetic villain. You're meant to feel pity towards him, if you actually have a freakin' clue what's going on during the game. You're also supposed to be somewhat in awe of him, not because of his "evilness," but because of his apparent limitless knowledge.Quote:
Very funny DocFrance, but you just assume the reason that everyone likes Sephiroth is that he has a big sword. The reason I like him is because he is 1. Evil, 2. always so eeriely calm, and 3. he is one tough S.O.B., now ive played most every RPG out there and i have to say that Sephy takes the cake. You're just trying to be differant just to be one that does not conform, well doing what you want is not conforming to anyone but you. Does that help any?
2. He's eerily calm because he's INSANE. He literally lost his mind. He doesn't bottle his emotions; he's just quite literally incapable of them. Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.
3. Tough S.O.B.? He's one of the eesiest bosses in any RPG ever.
You're just a fanboy who likes him because of his looks. Yes, Sephiroth is very much an "overrated prettyboy."
Agreed. Luca's much better than Kefka. Luca, admittedly, is the best "pure evil" villain in any RPG. However, there are much better overall villains(especially from Lunar SSSC).Quote:
I'm just saying Luca's far better at playing the deranged lunatic than Kefka is. His, erm, brother-in-law was a better antagonist, in my opinion. So was the, uh, Masked Bishop.
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Absolutely. Do yourself a favor and play Suikoden II and Lunar SSSC. Hell, and FFT.Quote:
Because you still think Sephiroth is the best. Clearly your horizons are not very broad
He was trying to convince Cloud that he wasn't the real Cloud. Telling him that he was a puppet and therefore has no emotions:Quote:
Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.
Sadness not a plausible emotion? Sephiroth has felt sadness many times before. Like the time he found the notes in the mansion's basement. I'd say he was pretty upset, and angry...Quote:
Sephiroth
"Ha, ha, ha...... Stop acting as if you were sad."
"There's no need to act as though you're angry either."
(He rises into the air, looking down at Cloud.)
Sephiroth
"Because, Cloud. You are..."
(He rockets, spinning, high up into the air. His body becomes a tiny green
sphere, which lands at Cloud's feet. The screen glows red. Cloud covers
his eyes.)
(Boss battle with Jenova-LIFE)
(The screen goes black.)
Jenova
"Because, you are...... a puppet."
Cloud
"I'm...... a puppet?"
Anyway, you people need to stop telling each other what to think. :P Explain why you like or dislike a certain character but don't tell someone that the don't like the right character or that their opinion is wrong. O_o That's just weird. o_O
I didn't know Hell was a RPG. Sounds pretty bitchin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
[QUOTE=Doomgaze]READ: Aaron sucks.
Who!! harsh :( was that directed to me?
Yes. I may not have even the foggiest idea who you are and have never seen a single post by you, but yes, I was referring to you.
No, he thought that Cloud was "created" the same way he thought that he, himself was, and therefore couldn't feel real emotions. I know what was said; I've played the games literally over a dozen times. Sephiroth viewed himself as incapable of sadness, and consequently thought Cloud was also incapable of such a display of emotions.Quote:
He was trying to convince Cloud that he wasn't the real Cloud. Telling him that he was a puppet and therefore has no emotions:
Anger is hardly sadness. You said "many times." Name one time in the game that Sephiroth was actually saddened. Psycopathic anger does not even remotely construe sadness. And notice also that after he consigned himself to Jenova, he stopped displaying even anger.Quote:
Sadness not a plausible emotion? Sephiroth has felt sadness many times before. Like the time he found the notes in the mansion's basement. I'd say he was pretty upset, and angry...
All opinions are not equal. Some opinions are based on logic and rational thought; others are based on fanboyish charms.Quote:
Anyway, you people need to stop telling each other what to think. :P Explain why you like or dislike a certain character but don't tell someone that the don't like the right character or that their opinion is wrong. O_o That's just weird. o_O
First off, I hate you. Secondly, it doesn't make sense - notice the comma after "Hell?" :pQuote:
I didn't know Hell was a RPG. Sounds pretty bitchin'.
EDIT: Doomy, now now, be nice. Newbies don't know that anybody at a message board of 8,000 or so members could have the same first name.
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Originally Posted by Doomgaze
ohhh well when ya put it that way :D as long as i now know the truth.....my this world is so cruel...yet so beautiful :cool: *mexican music plays*
You have absolutely no good taste when it comes to sexy girls. Ruby is so HOT that she even lives in a desert. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ravenzero2000
I know... I never said he didn't. O_oQuote:
No, he thought that Cloud was "created" the same way he thought that he, himself was,
But Sephiroth had felt sadness before. Sephiroth would've been in his late 20s to early 30s before going crazy. :mad: Are you telling me that he never felt sad during that time? It was AFTER the Nibelheim http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gife that Sephiroth started to believe that he was incapable of those emotions.Quote:
and therefore couldn't feel real emotions. I know what was said; I've played the games literally over a dozen times. Sephiroth viewed himself as incapable of sadness, and consequently thought Cloud was also incapable of such a display of emotions.
I'm talking about BEFORE the the game.Quote:
Anger is hardly sadness. You said "many times." Name one time in the game that Sephiroth was actually saddened. Psycopathic anger does not even remotely construe sadness. And notice also that after he consigned himself to Jenova, he stopped displaying even anger.
Anyway, it depends on how you interpret things:
I would say Sephy's being sympathetic, and during the last line is showing sadness.Quote:
Sephiroth
"It's your first time back to your hometown in a long time,
right?"
"So how does it feel?"
"I wouldn't know because I don't have a hometown..."
Come on... telling someone they what character from a video game they should like? :P So they like a character 'cause he's a pretty boy? So? I think we will all survive. :PQuote:
All opinions are not equal. Some opinions are based on logic and rational thought; others are based on fanboyish charms.
And I thought George Bush was stupid...that comment just creeps me out....i can see it now...Ruby with horribly mutated kids with Ultima Shadow..Quote:
You have absolutely no good taste when it comes to sexy girls. Ruby is so HOT that she even lives in a desert. a desert.
Okay, Suikoden II wasn't all that great and the storyline was weak with not so cool characters...Now Lunar SSSC, that freakin ruled. But it fails to produce a better villan than Sephiroth. And FFT just plain sucked.Quote:
Absolutely. Do yourself a favor and play Suikoden II and Lunar SSSC. Hell, and FFT.
Really? Well hows about you actually think about what you say before you say it. Yes, I am a boy...and i like Sephiroth (not in that way that some perverted people are thinking of), but i do not like him for his looks. I mean cmon people, he is hands down just the greatest villan of all time and has the biggest fan base to prove it.Quote:
You're just a fanboy who likes him because of his looks. Yes, Sephiroth is very much an "overrated prettyboy."
Just because I think he is a better villan than all the rest, doesnt make me a "fanboy".
Bah, like I said... you've got a bad taste for girls! :rolleyes2 *searches the web for Ruby Weapon hentai.*Quote:
Originally Posted by ravenzero2000
Now, how should I put it? It seems like you've got a pretty... "different" RPG taste as well. But whatever... :greenie:Quote:
Originally Posted by ravenzero2000
Well, can you just tell me clearly once again... WHY is Sephiroth "the best"? You said he was "evil"... and this (and the stuff in the quote above) really makes me wonder if you actually pay attention to and really understands the story of the RPGs you play?Quote:
Originally Posted by ravenzero2000
Like Raistlin said:
"1. How is he evil? You want to see pure evil, try Luca Blight or hell, even Kefka. Now, as Doomy and Doc said, Luca Blight(or Kefka) fanboys aren't much better than Sephiroth fanboys, but at least the former were actually evil. The reason I, personally, like Sephiroth is that he's a sympathetic villain. You're meant to feel pity towards him, if you actually have a freakin' clue what's going on during the game. You're also supposed to be somewhat in awe of him, not because of his "evilness," but because of his apparent limitless knowledge.
2. He's eerily calm because he's INSANE. He literally lost his mind. He doesn't bottle his emotions; he's just quite literally incapable of them. Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.
3. Tough S.O.B.? He's one of the eesiest bosses in any RPG ever."
Are you able to counter this, or can you, please, tell me some other reasons to "why" he's the best villain? :greenie:
Edit: Sorry, ravenzero+numbers but I just wanted to ask you another thing... do you have any sense of humor?
What the hell? Flik and Viktor from Suikoden II were awesome. How can it have a weak story? It had the best one in the series.
Sephiroth this...Sephiroth that...whatever...
he is one of the coolest character but not the best villain by any means...
lucka blight was nice...kefka was awesome...so was kuja...
moreover xenogears had whole collection of the best villains in one game...
I wouldn't call any of the antagonists in Xenogears villians (except for Miang) but you won't find out until the end of the game.