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So what we need to do is look at who voted Yuffie and who voted Blank. And who voted Wedge as well since I think he was in the lead for a while.
We should also review Blank's posts and see what that digs up, as well as anyone who defended Blank or reacted oddly to Blank's posts.
Well. =/ What is the role of a spy? I just looked it up and I'm still not 100% sure what it is.
I was just going to say this. Let's hear it guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
8 town and 2 mafia have been killed.
And 1 Spy. I have no idea what that is but mafia wiki indicates that it may be a pro-mafia town role.
Yeah, Biggs is right. Losing her was a big loss for us since she'd been useful taking care of the scum.
Oh, and Biggs, last night I decided to track Wakka. I didn't get anything out of it. Ended up with "No result."
Well, basically whoever ripped Noctis and Yuffie to shreds essentially. It can't be a coincidence that after these two outed Blank, they both end up dead.
Actually Biggs it's good that you mentioned Wedge. For a self proclaimed cop, he's hardly doing us a service. I think he roleclaimed on day two? It's day five now Wedge. A town with no juicy gossip just isn't a town.
I'm not saying it's related at all, but it's kinda funny that everyone wedge claims to send things to dies the next day.
Can you give me some reasoning behind Wakka? He voted Blank which probably indicated that they aren't working together. I would have been more interested in following someone who didn't vote Blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Keep in mind that some cops have to figure out if they're paranoid or insane. Then again, why would you role call so early if you are trying to figure this out?
Actually I didn't vote blank, I had no freakin clue what was going on. I voted Yuffie.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BiggsCan you give me some reasoning behind Wakka? He voted Blank which probably indicated that they aren't working together. I would have been more interested in following someone who didn't vote Blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Oh, it's probably related. Related how though?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Unless he thought Blank was a lost cause and voted for him to make himself appear all nice and innocent. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of mafia voting for each other to save their own skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BiggsCan you give me some reasoning behind Wakka? He voted Blank which probably indicated that they aren't working together. I would have been more interested in following someone who didn't vote Blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Oh really?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
##Vote: Wakka
Actually, seeing how Wakka didn't vote Blank completely ignore previous post
Talking about Yuffie, reading back the previous page from this one, she apparently edited a post, which two people complained about. Possible modkill? I do sort of need Stilz or Jiro to confirm that though. I'd take Yuffie's death with a pinch of salt.
It was a verbatim copy of her role pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
Ah I see, thanks Wakka! :)
A cop that can't report his own investigations. Wedge has the worst of luck when it comes with choosing who gets his reports, so basically we don't know how his investigations turn out. It's likely that Wedge could be lying to us all this time, but we need to know what he did last night to know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NoctisBecause they keep trying to kill me and don't understand why it won't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
This post right here is going to be shrieked at in the mafia forum. Hee hee hee! HAVE FUN TRYING TO KILL ME SOME MORE, DOUCHEBAGS :cool:
Either he was the one who was poisoned and not Cid (and Faris is a big liar), a non-bullet weapon was used, or someone is a naughty roleblocker.
I'm quite keen to see what Faris has to say about Cid not dying and who she investigated last night, and who/if someone received a report from Wedge.
Odds are, by now Wedge should have successfully gotten a report through to someone who isn't scum/bus drivered/roleblocked/dead, right? I'm losing faith.
Well I didn't get any stinking report.
Is it possible that the bus driver role would have made an effect on Faris's investigation?
As both you and Leon has said, it could be that were just getting impatient and Wedge is actually doing his best here. But he has to have pretty astronomical bad luck to send someone a report and then for that person to either:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FarisA cop that can't report his own investigations. Wedge has the worst of luck when it comes with choosing who gets his reports, so basically we don't know how his investigations turn out. It's likely that Wedge could be lying to us all this time, but we need to know what he did last night to know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
A) Die
B) Receive it and not bother speaking out
I think my trust is still there, but it does rest on this day. We can't have a fourth consecutive day of misfortune right?
For reference, this is as it stood with just 50 minutes left. I'll quickly tally up the end-day voting quickly for what should be a complete tally for that day (I think)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Are you asking if it is possible that Faris investigated Galuf, and Galuf targeted Cid, but Kain swapped Cid with Noctis, meaning that Galuf poisoned Noctis when he meant to poison Cid, and Faris saw Galuf visit Cid, when he was actually visiting Noctis? That sounds plausible and mindsmurfing, which makes it more plausible :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Kain died night 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonAre you asking if it is possible that Faris investigated Galuf, and Galuf targeted Cid, but Kain swapped Cid with Noctis, meaning that Galuf poisoned Noctis when he meant to poison Cid, and Faris saw Galuf visit Cid, when he was actually visiting Noctis? That sounds plausible and mindsmurfing, which makes it more plausible :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Wedge did tell us yesterday at some point who he investigated and who he sent the reports to. Not one of the reports managed to get through to the intended person - due to death, or possible role blocking. I'd like to hear his report for last night. Hopefully he manages a result this time. His luck with this is through the floor, which has done nothing for his credibility, unfortunately. I'm personally feeling last legs here... =/ Wakka did make an interesting observation that everyone who supposedly received reports died. Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
It is good to see that Cid survived the night. This means that we have a poison doctor (good on you, if this is the case), or that maybe Cid wasn't poisoned at all. Don't know what to think here.
Definitely a lot of food for thought going on today. I will read over the thread later and see if I can pick anything up.
I unfortunately have to go to sleep now, but I will be back in a few hours.
[M] Blank (6) - Noctis,Biggs, Balthier,Yuffie, Wedge, Yuffie, Biggs, Rydia
[M] Yuffie (5) -Biggs, Relm, Faris, Refia, [strike]Biggs[/strike], Wakka, Leila
[M] Wedge (1) - Setzer, [strike]Leila[/strike]
[M] Faris (1) - Blank, [strike]Wakka[/strike]
[M] Refia (0) - [strike]Yuffie[/strike]
Right, I've previewed it, and it should be correct. Town, analyse away!
Oh, I should have put a title on it saying those are the Day Four Final Results Tally, but you know, editing rules ...
Wakka is right, Kain died on night 2, so this myth has just been busted. Though, I want to suggest that it's possible that we may have a 2nd doctor who could heal the poisoned, so we may have just saved Cid from dying by poison if it weren't for me.
Leila was the last vote on Yuffie?
It was, but I had reason to suspect she was scum.
Yes both she and I said we had no problem breaking a tie. Then blank got a bunch of votes, so it hardly mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
[M] Blank (6) - Noctis,Biggs, Balthier,Yuffie, Wedge, Yuffie, Biggs, Rydia
[M] Yuffie (5) - Relm, Faris, Refia,Biggs, Wakka, Leila
[M] Wedge (1) - Setzer,Lelia
[M] Faris (1) - Blank,Wakka
[M] Refia (0) -YuffieAnother table, all neatly coloured in :)
What were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Let's get down to business, shall we?
No more madness, the Havelock Gambit has served its role.
Let's start with the poisoner data.
As I alluded in a lucid phase yesterday, I do not have access to mafiascum.net at work, so had only EoFF to rely on when I posted my hypothesis about Galuf not being able to make consecutive kills.
Given my lacklustre performance on Day 1, if my statement was not correct, the only logical reaction by anybody would be to dismiss it as another one of my half-baked hypothesis. This did not happen. Thus we can infer that my statement was correct.
If it is correct, the logical townie reaction remains the same. The mafia, however, would be compelled to wonder how I knew, so they could figure out if I was worth wasting their night kill on. Guess what, scumbags? I was.
Two people called me on being oddly specific: Setzer and Biggs. Strike one.
Strike two for Setzer: this and this -- As Biggs stated, almost like they copy/pasted the same post from a forum we can't read. Spy is typically a mafia-aligned role, so Refia's guilt speaks strongly to Setzer's.
Point in Biggs's favour: He's the one who noted the 'one down, ???' to go. That could be a red herring, but perhaps not.
For all that I want all three of the Day 1 Dirae to come up town, I trust Faris about as far as I can throw the moon, yet I will not allow Cid's failure to die to cast suspicion on her: I protected Cid in a night action, deciding to follow up on Faris's statement for lack of an alternative lead.
Of course, I could be lying about that, but let's examine the events of yesterday's vote: I cast a deciding vote against the Mafia Godfather with less than a minute left on the clock. Is that a townie move or a mafia one? Granted, I've already admitted I wasn't sure Blank was mafia. Now let's look at why:
Early on, I defended Serah's vote-hopping because it was "a townie move." But is it, really? With less than five minutes left on the clock? If there's a close race between a townie and a mafia, it behooves the mafia to try to cause a tie, knowing that the mod will kill the townie rather than rewarding the town for failure to act. In the closing minutes, Biggs shifted the vote onto Yuffie to break that tie. Once I stated that I was not changing my vote, Biggs created a tie again; since I think that Biggs might be scum, I changed my mind right then and there. I was going for unpredictability with a system whereby even I could not predict what I'd do ahead of time, but abandoned it in order to scotch Biggs. Averted: Biggs did not even try to save Blank. Perhaps he was concerned his vote would come in seconds too late and he'd get suspicion without saving Blank, or perhaps he's town. I don't know.
Regarding my antic dis:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou: I kind of shot myself in the head there. I had conceived of the Havelock Gambit on Day 2 -- At the time I posted Iago's line from Othello, I already had my initial Day 4 post saved in evernote. During Night 3, I smurfed up and telegraphed my intent to "Ham it up like Shatner" in Fomalhaut's blog -- even if Fomal's not scum, scum can read his blog and if I failed to follow through on it, they'd wonder why. Events on day 2, however, rendered it inoperable and I had no real choice but to pick up my massive set of balls and brazen it on through.
Finally, here's my roleclaim: I am the [color=##FFFF00]Apothecary[/color]. The Havelock Gambit was conceived in despair of my ass-useless role ever having any value. Galuf's death and Faris's clue is what rendered the Havelock Gambit inoperable. The statement about the poisoner signalling the existence of the apothecary was a red herring -- the reverse may be true, but the poisoner could be blocked by another role. As such, I am now superfluous and may sacrificed at will. Either that or I'm roleclaiming to protect myself from the mafia, who won't want to waste a night kill, when the truth is that I have an investigative role that allowed me to discern the nature of the Poisoner's role. Which is it, scumbags? You'll have to kill me to find out.
Why was I so certain that I would die yesterday? Either I have a role that is neither of my previous claims that made me certain that I would die and which was in turn blocked, or I was claiming foreknowledge to scare the mafia into trying to kill me. Which, it seems, didn't work even though I also cast an 11th hour vote to kill the godfather.
My night actions:
Night 1: Protected Cid -- not because I thought he was the cop, but because I thought he was an experienced player and I had nothing better to go on
Nights 2 & 3: Protected Noctis -- because everyone has such a steaming hard-on to kill Psy all the time that if he was town I definitely wanted him alive and the mafia was gunning for him, but if he was mafia, you guys always try to lynch him anyways and the mistake could be undone
Night 4: Protected Cid on Faris's say-so. If you're mafia, Faris, well played.
tl;dr.
Only joking! I'll read it now, but expect me to be dumbfounded.
I investigated her night 1, turned up guilty. So did Wedge night 2 and Faris night 3. I investigated Notcis this past night to determine if I'm paranoid I didn't get anything back unfortunately. So I'm rather useless, folks! Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloWhat were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Almost forgot the most important part:
##Vote: Setzer
I have no reason to doubt your role, which makes this a whole lot easier. Which would confirm Faris as well.
As for me, go ahead and lynch me. At least I could use my role at that point and take out a possible scum voter. I don't have any fight left in me anyway. I spent last night typing up 10-12 really good posts to get Noctis lynched and now he's gone. GONE!
By nothing I assume not even an innocent verdict? Interesting. Maybe your first three results are true and someone roleblocked your attempt at Noctis? I don't know really. It's mindsmurf mafia, don't give up!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaI investigated her night 1, turned up guilty. So did Wedge night 2 and Faris night 3. I investigated Notcis this past night to determine if I'm paranoid I didn't get anything back unfortunately. So I'm rather useless, folks! Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloWhat were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
You could be insane, Leila, which is hardly useless.
And just for the record you are officially claiming Cop?
Your not a vengeful townie are you? If that's the case, we could use you as a sacrificial lamb and try to get the mafia with it. We need to be sure were taking out the mafia though, last thing town needs is for a townie to lash out at another townie!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Indeed, just report the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
##vote:peneloQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloYour not a vengeful townie are you? If that's the case, we could use you as a sacrificial lamb and try to get the mafia with it. We need to be sure were taking out the mafia though, last thing town needs is for a townie to lash out at another townie!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
And how exactly would killing biggs in the hopes that his kill is mafia help us? If we suspect someone enough, we should lynch them instead!
I was being subtle earlier. Either they're all innocent and I'm insane or I'm paranoid and you're all guilty to me! :freak:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
I'm not exactly saying that we should actively kill Biggs, just if the worst comes to the worst, we should be wondering to ourselves who are the most scummy looking. And besides, people can look scummy *enough* to have suspicions, but not enough to actually go ahead and lynch.
And sometimes the most innocent looking of us is the most evil of all
##Accuse: I name Penelo as the theif of Nocturnal's cowl!
To be fair, at least your giving us results.. :roll2Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaI was being subtle earlier. Either they're all innocent and I'm insane or I'm paranoid and you're all guilty to me! :freak:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Just so I'm up to speed with the whole thing, what does the ##accuse mean?
btw, in case you couldn't tell, that wasn't an actual action. It was an oblivion reference.
Why do you have to bring other games into it! I've never played Oblivion in my life. Poor Penelo's heart skipped a beat there!
Don't kill Biggs. Kill Setzer.
What's Setzer got to do with it? He has been quite quiet though...
Setzer's only actions yesterday were suspicious: the "One down ??? to go" copypasta and the alarm he exhibited at my statement about Galuf's role when a real townie (or anybody else who didn't know it was correct) would dismiss it as bollocks.
Biggs did some suspicious things yesterday -- and I find the roleclaim pretty suspicious -- but he also called out Setzer on the copypasta.
I'm not getting many mafia vibes from Biggs, his hearts in the right place and I wouldn't necessarily find his roleclaim suspicious, Faris and Wedge's roleclaims to me are far more suspicious.
Biggs factored heavily in my wall o' text because I predicated a number of my actions on the possibility that he might be scum. The possibility of scum exists for everyone still alive. Everything Biggs did has an alternate explanation that fits a townie.
The same is not true of that card-playing dirtbag. Setzer delenda est!
mmm... I'll go with the card player for now, but I'm still not 100% convinced, for me, the real game changer is when Wedge *finally* comes forward with those damn reports!
##VOTE: Setzer (tentatively)
I'm holding till wedge shows up.
It really does all rest on Wedge. I'm getting suspicious of him, not just because he wins "World's worst cop" award, but even without his reports, Wedge still could be a valuable member of the team. Aside from defending his inability to broadcast reports, he's given virtually zero to town hall discussions. Hell, I've been more productive than he has and I didn't even turn up due to important educational stuff. He has alot of explaining to do.
dinner, back in 30
You won't really miss much. I'll be going bed soon, and I most likely won't be back until the day's almost done :(Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Ugh, apologies, those two nights blended together for obvious reasons. Should have double checked :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaKain died night 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonAre you asking if it is possible that Faris investigated Galuf, and Galuf targeted Cid, but Kain swapped Cid with Noctis, meaning that Galuf poisoned Noctis when he meant to poison Cid, and Faris saw Galuf visit Cid, when he was actually visiting Noctis? That sounds plausible and mindsmurfing, which makes it more plausible :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
I wouldn't be so hasty as to put Refia as red scum. Her flavour was blue. This could be indicative of mafian pretending to be a townie (like a traitor, see here and here), or a townie/cop like thing pretending to be a mafian (which given the description fits in well with our mindsmurf, see here). Given the colour, I'm inclined to believe the latter, though who knows with spys...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
Regardless of which kind of spy she was, what she has said could be very useful. I might go through and analyse it to see what I can find.
Dammit. I keep writing long things in context with what's going on, only to find that the discussion has moved on a whole lot.
I should stop thinking things though, and just post whatever comes to my mind**
**I'm not going to do this, I'm gonna go decipher Rydia's wall of text.
Why would you believe you would, when it was obvious that I believed Noctis to be a Townie as I followed his lead in lynching the Godfather?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Good luck with that; literally all I gathered was the "vote Setzer" part.
But hey, I'd rather have a wall o' text than a cryptic riddle. It's progress! ;)
Ah Wedge? Reports! Please? Pleaase?
No. Seriously. You sent it to Noctis. Oh man. This is just.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WedgeWhy would you believe you would, when it was obvious that I believed Noctis to be a Townie as I followed his lead in lynching the Godfather?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Sigh.
I believe the word you are looking for is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
Perhaps Psy's not the only one more interested in fomenting fun than in winning xD
Actually I know he's not, I had a blast with the ham acting yesterday.
My faith in Wedge is dropping faster than the strahl right now....
Anyway, guys, sorry, but it's ten to two in the night here in England, so I need to grab sleep. Then I have education stuff, so I might not even make it to the end of the blasted day. If that is the case, know now that my provisional vote is changing from:
##UNVOTE: Setzer
to
##VOTE: Wedge
on account of his utter incompetency of doing his job correctly. Enjoy your evenings those people in America (lucky people!)
Maybe wedgie killed him.
It does just seems too stupidly convenient for a mafian to use the same excuse every night (oops they died). Why not get a buddy to pretend to get the message? Because that would be worse, as it would be rather obvious and incriminate two mafians rather than one.
Your role would be far too useful for you not to be dead though, so I don't know what to think.
You didn't investigate until the last night if you were paranoid or not? That's convenient Obviously you knew OF the paranoid thing. So why did you wait instead of investigating yourself on night one. You didn't get any investigation back from notcis? I'd think that you'd still get your investigation back even if he died.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaI investigated her night 1, turned up guilty. So did Wedge night 2 and Faris night 3. I investigated Notcis this past night to determine if I'm paranoid I didn't get anything back unfortunately. So I'm rather useless, folks! Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloWhat were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
This is assuming you're a cop when you say you investigated etc etc It all just seems convenient.
Just, you already were suspecting her with an evidence of an investigation when you knew that investigation could have been false.... alright...
Here's everyone left:
Role Claimers
Wedge - Investigative Thing, did you ever share the name Wedgie?
Biggs - Vengeful Townie
Leila - Cop
Rydia - Apothecary
Faris - Tracker
Non-Claimers
Leon
Luneth
Relm
Setzer
Cid
Wakka
Rikku
Penelo
Balthier
To be honest, I currently believe all the claims. Wedge is the sketchiest, but recall that immediately on Day 2 he went after Serah after she made no mention of getting a report. Why would a mafia go after a townie with a roleclaim like that? Doesn't make any sense.
I am well aware that I look very guilty right now and if in the end you all feel that you must lynch me to find out the truth so be it, I resigned myself to the lynch the moment I made the decision to role claim in the first place. The only thing I want you to do after you lynch me and I flip town is wonder why Biggs would make such a vehement statement about not receiving a report when I never indicated that I agreed with anything he had to say. Plus, Noctis basically role claimed Bulletproof so why would anyone think that I would send a report to anyone else but Noctis?
I don't believe the leila one.
I believe the Rydia one.
and possibly the faris one. I'm iffy on that one too. The rest of you effers heck no.
So really I only believe rydia xD
So...what happened last night to put the heat on Wedge today? We have no information regarding him that we did not have yesterday?
So, in that mass of text there Rydia, you claimed apothecary, and then claimed that you claimed that as you may be an investigative role trying to seem like a pointless mafia kill. But then finished with who you protected each night.
Which role are you claiming more? Is this a pointless question?
Very simple. You come and go as you please and you seem to want to keep your actions close to the chest until the last minute, so I thought I'd speed things up by playing process of elimination.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
Leila's claim is a little hard to believe. I'm either not sure if she knows whether she's insane or paranoid, especially hard to take that all her results were either guilty or not available. I do however believe Rydia, because based by what she's saying, she saved Cid last night from the poisoning by Galuf on the night I last tracked him.
Wedge hasn't come through with anything useful, all of his actions have un/conveniently been lost. I think that's the reason for hating on Wedge. I really don't know how to feel about it.
I'm claiming Apothecary.
As for the worming and wriggling, I can't lie to the mafia without also lying to town. I can't explain that more without shooting myself in the crotch.
You've shot yourself in enough places. Thank you for clarifying.
Here's that list again, but with everyone's votes from yesterday:
Role Claimers
Wedge - Blank
Biggs - Yuffie, then Blank, then Yuffie, then Blank
Leila - Wedge, then Yuffie
Rydia - Blank
Faris - Yuffie
Non-Claimers
Leon - No vote
Luneth - No vote
Relm - Yuffie
Setzer - Wedge
Cid - No vote
Wakka - Faris, then Yuffie
Rikku - No vote
Penelo - No vote
Balthier - Blank
:cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
The wedge thing, I dunno about. The leila thing though, that doesn't sit well with me. Cop is such an easy role to claim as a mafioso. You know who is scummy already so you can throw in an actual name or two and prove your validity. For that
##Vote: Leila
I--What? If every night, as a cop, you got "guilty" for results what would you think? Either "I'm the trout" or "Something's not right"Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BalthierYou didn't investigate until the last night if you were paranoid or not? That's convenient Obviously you knew OF the paranoid thing. So why did you wait instead of investigating yourself on night one. You didn't get any investigation back from notcis? I'd think that you'd still get your investigation back even if he died.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaI investigated her night 1, turned up guilty. So did Wedge night 2 and Faris night 3. I investigated Notcis this past night to determine if I'm paranoid I didn't get anything back unfortunately. So I'm rather useless, folks! Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloWhat were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
This is assuming you're a cop when you say you investigated etc etc It all just seems convenient.
Yeah, I posted in here that I think he forgot about me. I send my night activity right when night starts and he has a lot of roles to keep track of. trout happens.
For the sake of argument, let's assume all the claimers are telling the truth. Let's also assume none of the mafia voted for Blank. Let's also eliminate Cid as he is assumed to have poisoned Galuf if we believe Faris's claim. Who does that leave?
Inactives
Leon - is semi-active but did not vote yesterday
Luneth
Rikku
Penelo
Actives
Relm
Setzer
Wakka
My guess is that there is a mafia in the Inactives, and at least one in the Actives. Setzer voted for Wedge, at a time where Wedge looked to be the best candidate after Blank. Relm voted for Yuffie, and then tried to Day Kill me jokingly to shut me up (and it worked for a while, admitedly). Wakka is just Wakka. I can't get a read on this guy because he mostly just spams. :p
Thinking about the day and the voting history, my gut is telling me Relm.
##Unvote: Wakka
##Vote: Relm
I will also try to get through Blank's posts at some point and report back.
By all means, take me out and waste a day :aimkiss:
Instead of 'poisoned Galuf' I meant to say 'been poisoned by Galuf'. But I think you guys get that.
Will do babycakes :aimkiss:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
At least you'll know what kind of cop I am which will either point out the guilty, confirm some innocent, or just be completely useless.
Side note: Why haven't the mafia taken out Faris or Wedge yet if they're tracking/cop roles? Just a thought.
I won't be voting today. Time for bed then work all day. Hi-ho hi-ho~
You should vote, dude.
What treachery is this? I thought we had something special. :(
Your gut? The evidence says Setzer.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Come on, people
Setzer
Must
DIE
What evidence? The copy paste thing? That's something, but hardly enough to convict someone.
Why are you trying to hurt me like this, Biggs? I, what. Why. Why. :whimper:
I think Psychotic is only worth 500,000 Del Murders, for what it's worth. Does that help you want to stop breaking my heart? :whimper:
No, but it might help if you do something useful. :)
What's that supposed to mean? My artwork has single handedly boosted the morale of a battered and beaten town. If not for my glorious paintings, you'd have all given up long ago. Don't give me that kind of sass mouth. :irked:
also, i'm not the one it took 3 accounts to finally flip flop vote my way onto a mafia. :aimkiss:
That, combined with the alarmed reaction to the detail I had on the poisoner's role, and paired to a complete lack of any other action.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
The copypasta is the stronger argument, since Refia flipped scum, though.
You can delete THAT and no one will hold it against you, fyi. xD
smurf wrong account
pretend I said that.
oh, leave it, funny at my expense is still funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Relm
I've got no right to laugh at you, this is the first game of mafia I've played where I haven't posted on my EoFF account. Yet.
So here's my review of Setzer.
Day 1 - Made many poinltess posts and cast an inactive vote on Quina.
Day 2:
Anxious to get us to start going at each other's throats?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Setzer
Ooooh a defense of a known Mafia Godfather? Things are getting interesting. Note the mention of Leila too. Not sure he'd give up both of his buddies in this post, but you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Setzer
We call this the "Look I'm being helpful by making a general list of people" post. Note that he is trying to deny Faris's claim and putting it to Galuf to come forward (knowing he never would).Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Setzer
Most of the rest of his posts haven't really said much. He's very non-committal though. Always short quips or general statements without really digging in.
Hmmm...
Of course. I figured it was you the moment of your wall of text. But, that's not part of this game. Let's bring our focus to Refia's role... do we really know if she is really aligned with mafia? Usually, as a spy, she should be, but there was no indication, just blue to indicate that her role was investigative, so we don't know if she was really scum. I guess we can find out once we finish this gameQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
And not, say, at the start of Day 3 when I came out and said more or less "hey guys look I'm Bleys"?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
I think I may have missed that. :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaAnd not, say, at the start of Day 3 when I came out and said more or less "hey guys look I'm Bleys"?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
[QUOTE='[M] Leila;3168561']
Side note: Why haven't the mafia taken out Faris or Wedge yet if they're tracking/cop roles? Just a thought.
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Actually, I do want to say that you do have a great point. Judging from what you said, Wedge and I should have been gone, but it seems that either one or both of us could be scum. But first, let's take a look at our roles, I happen to be a Tracker, and Wedge has some sort of investigative powers but doesn't know his results, only the people he sends the report to. The mafia would have targeted Wedge the moment on the night following the moment he revealed his role... maybe it was convenient that he stuck around to distract town with false hopes allowing mafia to get what they want. What about me? All I know is who a person targeted, and nothing else, and I did help save Cid from dying when I revealed that he was Galuf's last target. I think the choice is clear between Wedge and myself.
##Vote: Wedge
Unless you're mafia and were trying, successfully as it would happen, to deprive Psy of my protectionQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
I don't know. trout happens.
It's a compliment either way; either you did save Cid, who is town if you are, or you played me like a fiddle.
Is this the lull point of the day where nothing happens?
Some people haven't been on since the start of the game day.
Blank was a slippery one. I'll give her that.
For instance, she voted Galuf on Day 1 once Sazh was in the lead, a clever way to keep them from being linked.
Blank also had some interesting exchanges with Leila on Day 2, but it's too much to quote. At first they both voted for Yuffie, but then Leila quickly unvoted after getting pressured by Noctis. Then Blank switched her vote to Leila.
I just realized that Faris did not see what Galuf did on night 2 and the reason was more than likely because the Mafia made an effort to role block him so they could poison Noctis unhindered. It takes 2 days for the poison to kick in and the person dies on the 2nd night meaning that since last night was night 4 then 2 nights before that was night 2. Cid is still in danger because he was visited by Galuf on night 3 and tonight will be 2 nights later as it will be night 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
That doesn't work because according to Faris, Galuf targeted Quistis on night 1, and she died on night 2. So that's one day to take effect. Noctis more likely died by a Mafia Ninja. Since we have a Tracker in play, a Ninja makes sense since they can't be tracked.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WedgeI just realized that Faris did not see what Galuf did on night 2 and the reason was more than likely because the Mafia made an effort to role block him so they could poison Noctis unhindered. It takes 2 days for the poison to kick in and the person dies on the 2nd night meaning that since last night was night 4 then 2 nights before that was night 2. Cid is still in danger because he was visited by Galuf on night 3 and tonight will be 2 nights later as it will be night 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Yup, sorry, it almost made sense to me. :(
I'm going to try and make sense of all the kills now.
Night 1
Laguna - Serah was targeted by Yuffie for a kill, but Laguna was killed. Since it was Night 1 Laguna likely protected himself. The probable scenario is that the Bus Driver swapped Laguna and Serah, Serah got protection while Laguna got the bullet. That also explains why Serah never got a 'report' from Wedge.
I'm going to assume the mafia has two kills, the poison and a night kill. Or there are two mafias. Or mafia and SK. The other deaths don't make sense otherwise. On this night, one killer tried to shoot Nocits while Galuf poisoned Quistis.
Night 2
Quistis - Died of Galuf's poison
Serah - No clue. Standard mafia hit?
Kain - Again no clue.
Quina - Too many unexplained deaths this day for there to not be at least two killers out there.
Night 3
Galuf - This one is the hardest of all to explain. We have a vig (standard vig and daytime vig? seriously?) or something else is afoot. It's not a Paranoid Gun Owner, since we know he targeted Cid (assuming Faris is truthful). Rydia targeted Cid on Night 4 and lived to tell the tale.
How did one scum die this night and no town? So the mafia used their hit to poison Cid. Fine. But this night is sandwiched between nights with 4 and 3 deaths. Doesn't make any sense! Someone must have tried for Noctis again but why would the mafia try the same thing twice?
Night 4
Noctis - My guess here is Mafia Ninja. There are no Mafia Goons remember, so Ninja is a likely role they have.
Yuffie - I think the "second killer" killed Yuffie.
Refia - ?????
Going on the theory that there is a SK or Vig out there, then that explains Galuf, Yuffie, and one of the Night 2 deaths. But it doesn't explain the 4th death on Night 2 or what happened to that Spy Refia.
And it doesn't really help much going forward. :monster:
If Cid was a PGO, I'd also have died night one, since I tried to protect him then as well.
Could there be Masons with a killing role?
Too many people in this game who are semi-active but staying out of the main discussions. Looking at you, Leon, Setzer, Relm. Penelo. At least one of you is scum. Fess up!
And get Psychotic to replace smurfing Rikku already.
Shoot, that would be a powerful town faction. Maybe too powerful. A town-killer could have killed Galuf for sure, and possibly Kain, but who on Night 3? Refia? That still leaves 1 unexplained.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
I already told you which one. 32 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Sorry, my mind is just rather out of it, but I'm reading through for something that stands out which hasn't already been brought up. I know it sounds slack, but I'm trying to make sense of all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
At the moment I'm still uncomfortable with the lack of Rikku and Luneth (why did you bring up Rikku and not Luneth?), but that's not going on much.
If there's anyone online I'm up for questions/discussion, so please ask me questions/my opinion on any events. In the mean time I'll read through to find more.
I post when I can, and try to make the best posts I can with the information I have at those times. :p I am free to post lots today, but I get the feeling I will be the only one awake for a good few hours.
Sure thing, boss. :up: There is no way for me to defend against using a common term. xD I got nothing. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
When Galuf's role came up as Poisoner, I went to check out what it was on the mafia wiki - hadn't seen it in use before, curious about what exactly it did. When you had more information than what was readily available, it either meant that Galuf told you the details his role, or you were the Apothecary. The latter of which I am willing to believe is the case.Quote:
the alarm he exhibited at my statement about Galuf's role.
Obligatory "whatchu talkin' 'bout?" done. On to further business.
I wish we knew more about what the spy's role was in this particular game. Seems that the role can vary from game to game. Does she know who the mafia are? I am trying to see if I can pick up anything from Refia's posts - especially her most recent list of suspects. However, her list is a bit bizarre.
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Originally Posted by [M] Refia
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[M] Setzer - Pops in, then out, does 1 or 2 semi long posts in a day then vanishses again. I get a scum vibe from him though, like he's trying to fly under the radar.
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[M] Luneth - I don't have much of an opinion on him for similar reasons to Leila.
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[M] Rikku - Basically non-existent. But I get scum vibes off her complete lack of showing up.
Two examples of people doing the exact same thing, yet one of them is scum and the other is not. Especially when it comes to the inactives - Rikku has posted more than Luneth, yet isQuote:
[M] Penelo - A little dubious of her, but I don't get scum vibes at all.
Whoops. Accidentally posted. ._. I will continue my thoughts.
I have the same thing highlighted about Refia in the post I was about to post just now. I thought the inconsistency was a bit odd. Initially I put it down to either buddying up to certain members (obvious naive townies), or that she just got different vibes from different people. If only her alignment were a little clearer...
Anyway, big post coming :p
Here, have a useful tally...
[M] Wedge (3) - Penelo, Faris, SELFVOTE
[M] Leila (2) - Balthier, SELFVOTE
[M] Relm (2) - Biggs, SELFVOTE
[M] Setzer (2) - Rydia,Penelo, SELFVOTE
[M] Penelo (1) - Wakka
[M] Wakka (0) -Biggs
So personally I'd like to, again, point out the lack of replacement of many members, despite having many eligible dead townies (Del can't be the replacement every time...), but everyone is now keen on targeting actives, what's the deal? I'd vote for Luneth again (or Cid, or Rikku), but that didn't make anything happen last time, so why bother?
So. Let's look at Wedge and Faris, our two revealers. I've found Faris to be a little off the whole time. Nothing overly specific, just bad vibes, but that's nothing to lynch on. Her constant trumpeting that she saved Cid is a little concerning though.
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
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Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Either she's real proud of that and is reaffirming her usefulness to town. Or is scum reaffirming her usefulness to town.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Again, it's not much, but it really irked me. Ok you saved Cid, but hey, maybe you took the attention off Noctis or someone else who did get the poison. Do we actually have any proof that Cid was targetted? (where is Cid anyway?)
As for Wedge, I really don't know. The guy has had too many chances and has been wayyy too 'unlucky', but this is a mindsmurf, so anything is possible. His aggressiveness towards Serah on the second day was either really ballsy, or a legitimate belief. If it is a charade, he's done a good job of fooling us all for so long, but it just seems insanely risky to do such a thing. If he is town, it is such a potentially useful role, which has really gone to waste :/
Given the size of the pool, you'd expect there to be an investigative role like this, but is there another, and this is the bluff? Gah, I don't know...
Feel free to continue your thoughts :cry:
...Yet Luneth is given the all clear? Same with Penelo - she and Rikku only posted on day 1, but Penelo is fine for some reason. I just wish we knew what Refia knew - the fact that she was entirely convinced that Blank was town (not even slightly suspicious despite the many things that had popped up on Day 4) makes me think she knew something about the mafia. I dunno. I feel that there could be something in her list, but I also feel like I'm grasping at something that's not quite there.
I understand the idea of different vibes - for example between Leon and I you'd be able to get different feelings due to our different posting styles. However, three inactives with one of them scum and the other two not, despite nothing being posted? I just don't get it. I feel that there is some defence going on or something. Anyone else got any thoughts on this?
Yuffie was jumped on by Relm at some point yesterday, for what she said on Day 2 regarding voting. This was after Biggs had made some comments about Yuffie's defence of Galuf. Perhaps a little bit of piggy-backing off another claim to try and get attention off the Godfather? Refia also followed suit - but again without more knowledge of her role it's difficult to tell if this even means anything.
Wedge: seriously? Again? Insane bad luck. But the entire thing is shifty. As has been pointed out, it is surprising you have not been taken out by the mafia yet - maybe they're getting too much of a laugh out of your failed attempts to do anything, or this was all just an elaborate ruse. At this point I'm not even sure if I'm entirely convinced you're scum, and am just instead exasperated at your consistent lack of results.
I am inclined to believe Faris' roleclaim at this point, and with that Rydia's. Cid however, does not get off so easy. Perhaps he was the SK/Vig, and we have just saved him? Who can say? I have no basis for this claim, by the by, I just don't think we should write out Cid as a suspect just because he was targeted by the mafia.
Wakka. Can't even get the remotest grip on this guy, so many posts, so little... anything. It's pretty scummy, but there's always someone who I feel is more scummy. Guess this is the definition of "under the radar". :p
Leila's claim. I am unsure about it, but I don't know why a mafia would claim to be a cop who seemingly only gets guilty results.
Penelo has been interesting today.
Uh huh. Wedge, who has posted every day - despite not having anything of value for us due to his perhaps unfortunate circumstances, has been less productive than someone who spammed up in Day 1 then never came back. It is obviously an attempt to make sure we all know she is taking part and is a good town because of this.Possible rookie player trying too hard? I don't feel that it sways her to either town or scum, because there is so little to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
I think this is all I've got for now. =/ I will read through one more time and post again if something pops up, along with a provisional(?) vote.
I take too long to make my posts. xD
You guys are diptrouts. Seriously. Sometimes I worry about you, kupo.
IMPORTANT NOTES FOR DIPtroutS:
Yuffie died. She was not modkilled. Modkills have a special note saying "I KILLED x BECAUSE THEY'RE DICKS." Although in a mindsmurf I might think to leave that off. Maybe. But not this time.
Spy is town aligned. You.. you guys and your smurfing colours man. I seriously. I MADE IT NON-RED SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. Spy is an investigative type role. MAFIA SPY would be red and have Mafia in front of it so you poor saps can figure it out.
I seriously man.
Here:
[M] Wedge (2) - Penelo, Faris
[M] Setzer (1) - Rydia,Penelo
[M] Penelo (1) - Wakka
[M] Leila (1) - Balthier
[M] Relm (1) - Biggs
[M] Wakka (0) -Biggs
You can get your own damn time count, smurfing hell :mog:
Diptrouts is the best term.
Alright then. Sheesh, touchy much? :p
Will need to rethink everything regarding Refia then.
You need to lighten up Setzer. Come have a drink and relax. It's all a big joke, ya know? Oh god I'm actually Wakka the whole time. IT IS ALL A SET UP.
Seriously though, I am just manic tired because you guys are all crazy crazy and making me sleep weird. Hang ten and that. I dunno.
You've got 9.5 hours to go~
I knew it. Vote Stiltz, everyone! It's cool though, thanks for all your hard work an trout. :)
Right then. Refia, confirmed town with some kind of investigative role. She has been trying to call Rikku out for a while now (there was a vote cast on Day4, which seemed to come out of nowhere). Investigation into Rikku, perhaps, led to the scum accusation in Refia's list? There is no other reason I can think of that would explain Rikku being scum despite posting about as much as Penelo and Luneth.
With that, I think
##Vote: Rikku
However, this also means we have to carefully consider everyone Refia called out as mafia - 3/4 of them could be the result of investigations.
Hello everyone. I'm really sorry that I haven't been active enough as I've been really busy with school... I hope to change that. I am also sorry if I delayed any night actions. I will try to contribute some thoughts:
I think I will believe Leila's claim for the time being, though I don't know why she would claim. I do not know why Biggs would claim Vengeful Townie, either. He was not being pressured or questioned at any point. The only thing this claim does is make people not want to lynch Biggs, similar to a bomb or beloved princess claim. The interesting difference is that Leila is copping heat for her claim and nobody has said much about Biggs. Why is that?
Does anybody not just think that Wedge's reports... kill... people? I don't know how many coincidences with victims dying I am willing to believe. I think he's either an inadvertent murderer or an intentional one who is lying. I think this situation is not going to resolve itself unless we know what Wedge actually is - it is going to keep rearing its head every day.
What has Wedge actually said apart from his reports? I know I am not one to point fingers about this, but to explain, Wedge has contributed more posts than me but has not actually said very much in them. He has used this reports thing as a crutch and I do not even know why he claimed in the first place.
Oh yeah I'm pretty happy to stick a vote down on Wedge
##vote: Wedge
In mafia, there is no such thing as a coincidence!
I had two good reasons for claiming when I did.
1. I wanted to mess with Psychotic's head a bit because he said his goal this whole game was to lynch me (which didn't work since he's bulletproof and could never have shot him anyway).
2. This one is a secret but it really it only affects the mafia.
But go ahead and vote me if you want, Luneth. If I go I'll get to use my ability and also get out of this crazy town. Win win.
You've talked about myself and Wedge, what do you think of the rest?
Wedge, what is the name of your role? Please post the name. I did not believe Yuffie until she posted Jack of All Trades and it was that post that finally convinced me and caused the day to end up like it did.
I'm seriously considering calling for everyone to roleclaim and then we try to find the mafia by sifting out the BS roles. We're running out of time and we're losing useful roles left and right without the players having a chance to actually use them for the good of the town (see: Spy).
Something I missed earlier.
Why investigate Noctis and not yourself. Sure, Noctis went after Blank and she flipped scum so he could hardly be on her team, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a SK or some other variety. But you know for a fact that you are town so it's a 100% guarantee of knowing if you are Paranoid or Insane?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Here's what I don't like. I don't like Wakka and Leila's vote switch to Yuffie at the end of Day 4 once the votes were stacking up for Blank. It smells bad. Real bad.
Ok. I'm going to bed, but I promised myself I would vote before I slept.
Thank you Stiltz for confirming Refia for us. Made more sense with the mindsmurf.
In case anyone missed it before. Here is the link I posted.
Given the possibilities that this presents, it would appear that the spy can read anonymous night actions.
This means that Refia may have had four nights of understanding what was going on around the place. Not sure if its all messages (unlikely), or if it's a targeted understanding of particular night actions. (though the page does mention it being anonymous. Though who knows how it's set up this time...)
Regardless, here is Refia's summary of thoughts on everyone.
The most notable of these, from I can see would be...
Given Refia's role, the specific mention of Wedge's lack of night actions is quite notable.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Refia
Am I reading into this too much?
I'm quite inclined to vote Wedge due to this. If I do, Wedge will be at 5 votes (including selfvote), right?
I don't want to bandwagon, but I don't have any other leads...
For now I will go with Wedge, but I'll try to be back in the morning.
##Vote: Wedge
I'm still doubtful but I can accept it if you wanted to mess with someone. The unusual role claim aside you have been helping the town so I will not be voting for you today.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
The rest of the town:-
Setzer seems to be town. He has made a lot of solid posts and provided good insight. I also think the same of Leon and Rydia. I also think Leila is town for now.
Wakka has not done much good. You commented on his vote for Yuffie but I also find his other votes interesting. He voted for Noctis for being irritating and today he has voted for Penelo who has been inactive. To put this in other words he has voted for people who are unlikely to be actually lynched for very poor reasoning.
Penelo has been busy like myself but I think today will let me get a better handle on her. Cid has also not been around much. With these two I do not know if it is a mafia tactic or what. I know I am not in a position to cast judgment onto inactive players so I will understand if others think the same of me.
Balthier has been a little odd, coming in and out without saying too much wrong or drawing too much attention. He also hid behind Noctis in the Blank vote.
Relm hasn't said very much apart from hunting Yuffie. With Yuffie gone Relm is one to keep an eye on today.
Faris is someone who I just don't know about. Her claim seems believable but there is something not quite right with how she acts.
I had no idea that I could do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BiggsSomething I missed earlier.
Why investigate Noctis and not yourself. Sure, Noctis went after Blank and she flipped scum so he could hardly be on her team, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a SK or some other variety. But you know for a fact that you are town so it's a 100% guarantee of knowing if you are Paranoid or Insane?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Sorry, forgot to bathe. Let me remind you: first night I investigated Yuffie she came up Guilty, so I assumed she was guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Alright kids, got my results back for Noctis... GUILTY. So either Faris and Wedge are innocent or I'muselessparanoid!
Although the delayed reaction is suspicious, it does fit in with Jiro forgetting to give Yuffie a result as well.
Jiro probably assumed that since Noctis died a result should not be given, and maybe he changed his mind later. Or he just plain forgot because you know, it's Jiro.
For now I'll believe the claim. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Leila ever gets an Innocent result.
That fits your story well, but on Day 2 you had that information too and you ended up changing your vote from Yuffie. Why did you do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaSorry, forgot to bathe. Let me remind you: first night I investigated Yuffie she came up Guilty, so I assumed she was guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
By the end of the day a vote on her was useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BiggsThat fits your story well, but on Day 2 you had that information too and you ended up changing your vote from Yuffie. Why did you do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaSorry, forgot to bathe. Let me remind you: first night I investigated Yuffie she came up Guilty, so I assumed she was guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
So far Wedge has 5 votes with the self vote. The next highest is 2 for Relm with her self vote. Everyone else has 1 or less.
The town power roles in this game have been pretty useless with the exception of Faris. I guess Rydia too if he actually saved Cid. Wedge has been the least useful at all, without a SINGLE result being revealed in the thread. It all sounds stacked up for Wedge. But this one post always gets me:
It comes out of the blue. No heat was on Wedge or Serah at this point. Why would a mafia do this? Is there a Mafia Cop who found out Serah was a Governor? Then shoot the Governor. Putting this post out there just doesn't make sense from a scum perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
That said, Wedge has been pretty much ueless with the use of his role. That may not be his fault and he may be playing us for fools, but I think someone else is actually playing us.
Why? Can you refresh my memory? I wasn't very active on that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Votes were originally spread between Yuffie and Blank. I forget who they were going towards at the end, I think Refia and Serah :confused:, before the Gladiator mess.
In all honesty, a useless vote (a single vote) doesn't help the town progress towards a final decision.
I know what you mean. As I said before, I'm no longer sure whether I actually think Wedge is scum or whether I'm just frustrated that this power role has been nigh on useless to us the entire game. =/Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
On Day 2 the votes were starting to pile onto Balthier towards the end IIRC, and then the gladiator challenge occurred which was a whole lot of mess and madness.
Speaking of that, here's Setzer's response during that mess:
That's it. No questioning of validity of the Gladiator claim, when many others were wtf at that time. Almost like he assumed Quistis was telling the truth since he had prior knowledge of where everyone's allegiance lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Setzer
My vote is on Relm and will stay that way. Relm has escaped scrutiny much so far, yet she hasn't done anything to prove herself at all. Did she vote Blank? Nope. Did she suspect Galuf? Nope. She just posts random pictures. Then there's the whole "Day Kill" thing that really sits bad in my stomach. Why has Relm escaped our watch?
I also want to say that absent her cop claim, I actually suspect Leila the most. So if you are mafia trying to trick us with a bogus Paranoid Cop claim (easy for mafia to claim since you get the same result for everyone), good for you.
:lol: oh yes, I am sooooo mafia, I'll even self vote instead of drawing attention to another person. That's what they do, right? Try to get themselves killed? :greenie:
I'm going back to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
Yeah. I... have nothing to defend myself in that regard. :p I honestly got caught up in the moment, it was too crazy at the time not to believe. Serah was insisting that people vote for her because she had it under control. I never got the impression Serah was scummy, so I put faith in her words. Lapse in judgement? Definitely, I will admit that.
Regarding Relm... It is probably because there is always something more going on, which always distracts us from the smaller things that occur. The only post (that I can find, right now) with any substance she has made was the one in which she campaigned against Wedge and Yuffie, ending with a vote for Yuffie mainly for her commentary on voting on Day 2. Not a mention of Blank, and as I said previous - this could have been an attempt to swing the attention off him. However, Noctis was relentless. xD
Hmm. I'll think on this some more. I may switch my vote to Relm before the day is out. Rikku's scum accusation from Refia has me curious, but it may be able to wait until we have more information (if Rikku ever posts. Sigh.).
Here's the issue. If Wedge is scum then good job. But if he isn't then the mafia doesn't really have to do anything for the rest of the day since he has such a big lead. For people to talk the pressure must be on. Look at Blank. Only posted when under pressure.
If it's the decision to kill him then fine. I mean, Cop, Spy, Tracker, Jack of All Trades, that's already a lot of investigative abilities. He's also never told us the name of the role which usually happens during a roleclaim. He's fishy. Definitely. But I'd rather we post some more and get more thoughts out there because if we wrong we could potentially lose two or three more townies tonight and be in real bad shape.
Melenkurion abatha, I just realized something.
Blank told me to protect Cid. And I still did it.
Do you think you were being played? That would make Faris scum.
Also Stiltz: If you want to call me a diptrout for failing to check who besides Faris wanted me to save Cid, fair enough, but if you get to call me a diptrout for calling Spy "typically a mafia-aligned role" when the only role list I had that wasn't blocked called it verbatim "typically a mafia-aligned role," then I get to call you a horse-feltcher for that ridiculous pom-pom on your head.
Agreed that if I was played (and as a first-time player I'd be an obvious person to try to fool) that would make Faris scum, but I don't buy Setzer's evasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
I don't think Rikku's coming. Voting out a complete inactive won't hurt us as bad, but Rikku painted a big target on herself on Day 1 and I wouldn't expect a mafia to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Setzer
As guilty as I look because of my inability to handle this role, which according to the mafia wiki is called an amnesiac cop, doesn't mean I am, and if you lynch me you are going to find this out tonight. I would like to contribute more than my ineffectual ability especially if this is my last day to play but sadly, I'm quite befuddled. I've been thinking a lot about Faris' tracking myself, obviously from earlier post when I was trying to fit the no results piece of the puzzle with the bulletproof townie being night killed piece. However, I can't really see the Mafia sacrificing their poisoner when it gives them the opportunity to take two townies out every other night, so if Faris was scum why would she sell out her partner? I know that scum will sometimes sell out one of their own to keep town off their trail, but why one that allowed you the ability to take out more townies? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
Also I need to get rid of my self vote:
##Vote: [M] Setzer
You ask why the mafia hasn't taken me out yet but I think the answer is pretty obvious: Why waste a night kill on me when you can point out my ineffectualness as a reason for town to lynch me?
Any reason for Setzer other than self-preservation?
You say the Mafia Wiki calls it Amnesiac Cop. But what do you call it?
Why are you asking me to be very specific about what my role is called? You did this to Yuffie yesterday too and she's dead now. In the very first Mafia game I played there was serial killer role that allowed that player to kill anyone who divulged their specific role name. This condition on killing could explain away why there was only 1 kill on nights 1 and 3 seeing as nobody divulged there roles on day 1 and day 3 was spent mourning Quina. I am not going to let you save me from the lynch, only to kill me tonight:
##Unvote: Setzer
##Vote: Biggs
Damn it:
##Unvote: [M] Setzer
##Vote: [M] Biggs
All of the other votes have gone through without the [M] tags....why the correction?
That is an interesting theory Wedge. Did Yuffie definitely reveal her role title yesterday?
And so I do not forget,
##Unvote
##Vote: Relm
I tend to be anal about stupid crap like that, it's a personality flaw, not a role character flaw. Yes she did, she not only stated what her role was she posted verbatim what her role pm was.
I don't think she outright claimed her role, but she did claim to have done several actions. She claimed to have killed Laguna, or at least that's what I've read, target several others in the other nights, though I'm not what she said who and what she did, I would have to look back to check, but I'm way too lazy to do that at the moment.
Here is the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Ah yes, I remember now. Right at the end of the day, that's where the worry of the modkill came from. And then also that post you just quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It is an interesting thought, but Faris roleclaimed and she managed to make it through numerous days. Why did she survive?
I ask people for the name because usually you can deduce if they are lying based on the name and the other roles that have been revealed. I was not even aware that in a past mafia game the SK needed people to divulge the full name of the role before he could kill them. That's a tough job. How would a moderator even keep track of that?
Yuffie was being wishy washy about her role which is why I pressed her further for the name. Sometimes I can spot a phony baloney role name given the details about what actions they took.
Yikes, I must have missed that, since it wasn't color coded or bolded. Sorry~Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WedgeHere is the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Yuffie
Did she ever say Tracker? I think she just said 'tracked'. That might not be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] SetzerAh yes, I remember now. Right at the end of the day, that's where the worry of the modkill came from. And then also that post you just quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It is an interesting thought, but Faris roleclaimed and she managed to make it through numerous days. Why did she survive?
There could be some merit to what you say. Quistis said Gladiator and Yuffie said Jack of All Trades. It would be a perfect role for a mindsmurf. But I find it hard to swallow because it would require Jiro to pay close attention to this thread looking for role names mentioned.
Yes, but she may not have given her specific role title which seems to be what Biggs is asking for. I have role claimed since day two but I have never given out my actual role name. Faris said she's a tracker but she didn't give out her specific role name either.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] SetzerAh yes, I remember now. Right at the end of the day, that's where the worry of the modkill came from. And then also that post you just quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It is an interesting thought, but Faris roleclaimed and she managed to make it through numerous days. Why did she survive?
It is simply just "Tracker"Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WedgeYes, but she may not have given her specific role title which seems to be what Biggs is asking for. I have role claimed since day two but I have never given out my actual role name. Faris said she's a tracker but she didn't give out her specific role name either.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] SetzerAh yes, I remember now. Right at the end of the day, that's where the worry of the modkill came from. And then also that post you just quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
It is an interesting thought, but Faris roleclaimed and she managed to make it through numerous days. Why did she survive?
Well there's that. No one else should probably give away their role title until we figure this out. I should have never asked. xD
What mafia was this bizarre twist used anyway?
That's fine, I still have no reason to divulge my specific role title which you are all going find out in 3 hours anyway the way this is going. If you can't figure out that I've been telling the truth up to now then you will definitely know after I have been after the lynch.
Unfortunately, your death doesn't help us much since no one has come forward with an investigation result. Are all the people you sent results to dead? Can you recap your actions for the first 4 nights?
I've been thinking, and a SK of that nature doesn't make sense in this game. How would they kill the mafia? It's not like Galuf came out and said 'hey I'm Mafia Poisoner'.
I'm pretty sure there is a SK, but I doubt he or she needs people to divulge their roles to get shot. Just to impossible to win with that restriction.
The game was Mafia XIX and the theme was Persona 4. The role is called The Punisher and this is mindsmurf mafia so anything can be true.
Unofficial vote count:
Wedge (4) - Penelo, Faris, Luneth, Leon
Relm (3) - Biggs, Setzer, SELF
Leila (2) - Balthier, SELF
Setzer (1) - Rydia,Penelo,Wedge
Penelo (1) - Wakka
Biggs (1) - Wedge
Rikku (1) -Setzer, SELF
Cid (1) - SELF
Wakka (0) -Biggs
Not voting: Rikku, Relm, Leila, Cid
You as well now, Setzer? My little heart is shattering into a thousand pieces. All i've ever done is love you all and try to bring you happiness and this is how I am repaid. I don't know if I will ever get over this :(
Hopefully you do get over it and soon enough to actually contribute something.
I also researched Punisher. What a ludicrous role. I'm pretty sure that's not in this game. Also that role allowed people to be killed even if they hinted at their real role, which would mean you're already fair game, Wedge.
I am not sure who I believe out of Biggs and Wedge but I'm sticking with Wedge for now. It is very funny to see those two accounts fighting! :p
There is something odd with Relm. She always posts drawings or how sad she is that people vote for her. There is a gimmick going on. I just don't know if it is part of her role or if she is doing it of her own accord.
To clarify:-
I mean I am sticking with a vote for Wedge.
I do agree with Biggs about Relm. Even if you do have a gimmick it would be nice for more contributions today. What do you think about Biggs and Wedge?
What would you like me to contribute exactly, Biggs? Maybe slap a vote on someone because of a spot of indigestion? I'm afraid I wouldn't like to infringe on your gimmick. :redface:
Just saying, I don't like the push to divulge now when I've been so forthcoming up to this point, if you were going to catch me in a lie you could have done it by now with 5 days worth of conversation.
Well 4, seeing as no one was talking Day 3.
I think I've made my stance on Wedge perfectly clear, and Biggs is an overrated hack desperately clawing to escape a certain all-consuming shadow. :aimkiss:
Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
Quite the opposite. The shadow is gone, and I am now wandering blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Relm
It would be nice if you did vote for somebody!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Relm