Okay guys seriously this is not spam, I am not a troll. I just know that as fellow final fantastists that you will get me. So guys who would win in a fight God or Jesus?
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Okay guys seriously this is not spam, I am not a troll. I just know that as fellow final fantastists that you will get me. So guys who would win in a fight God or Jesus?
Jesus, because I am atheist so Jesus existed for me but God never did! Therefore Jesus winzzz :bigsmile:
Well if you believe in one of the many crazy religious ideas, then them fighting would be masochistic since their one in the same, just one in a divine form and the other human. So it would be an awkward battle of him slapping himself and turning his own blood into wine.
oddler.
Jesus is god, you moron.
God = trinity = Father, son and holy ghost.
O_o ok how the Hell u know that?:exdee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
I dont know, being christian perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarisO_o ok how the Hell u know that?:exdee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
If you're gonna talk about a religion like this, you should at least know what you are talking about.
I'm not Christian and even I know that.
However, Jesus and God exist at the same time in Christianity. However, God, unlike Jesus, is everywhere. He has to manifest himself in Human-like form for Humans to comprehend him, or it. It or he is at a level of existence beyond us.
The only difference between God and Jesus(since his return to heaven) is that God(the father) knows when Jesus will return to earth, and Jesus does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
I was taught differently, though since I'm not a Christian, I think you've the upper-hand here. :monster:
Blergazoid, I don't know! :mog:
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Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Sorry they're both fictional characters so I think thay can have an imaginary death match.
Please don't start a :skull::skull::skull::skull: storm. :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by KlyklopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Sorry they're both fictional characters so I think they can have an imaginary death match.
Oh no not another weird versus thread...
God I'd say. Jesus is gods 'son' after all.
Also they say "God Almighty" not "Jesus Almighty"!
That's how you are supposed to say it. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by KlyklopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Sorry I think/believe that they're both fictional characters so I think thay can have an imaginary death match.
You are really starting to piss me off, you know that?
You do realize how incredible arrogant it sounded right?
You're a Christian so forgive me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Old testament God is pretty badass but he seemed to go soft around 2000 years ago. If it was old testament God fighting Jesus it wouldn't even be worth debating. However Jesus is younger, he's got experience taking a beating + he has 12 friends to back him up, one of them used to be a soldier too. God's getting old, he hasn't demanded anyone kill their son or flooded the earth in years. I wonder if he's just riding by on past success.
Anyway I think charizard would kick both their asses.
Aerith's Knight, you do NOT call other members of this site "moron" or "ass" just because you may disagree with their posts. Seriously unacceptable so stop it before you get hit with the ban hammer.
Oh and this entire thread isnt an incredible insult by itself? Not the mention the fact that he assumes he knows whether or not there is a god?
ugh nevermind.
Awwwwww don't we look cute when mad :bigsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Anyway I think we should stick to who would win or not:rolleyes2 and maybe leave what we think of God or not to EOEO!:)
Behead those who insult ChristianityQuote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Ok, are we talking regular Jesus or zombie Jesus? I think zombie Jesus might stand a chance.
Or Raptor Jesus? Raptor Jesus > *.zip
...wait, I think I did something wrong there.
Steiner is God.
Steiner always wins.
Ergo, God wins.
err.. I was under the impression that not all christians were trinitarians...but w/e
anyway...
well if you take it in the context of text, omnipotence kinda has to win doesn't it :P
I have to agree with Klyklops about Charizard though
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Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
lolololololol potkettleblackmuch?
I know, I shouldn't. Sue me.
God pls. God does things like vengance and plague and stuff, and Jesus dies for sins. And Jews are awesome.
Jesus had cool long hair and actually looked like a hippie.. Hippies ftw.
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Originally Posted by Breine
/attacks
Well well well, look what we have here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
I dunno who would win, I just hope that one of them rips the other's shirt off so I can see some titties.
Hey, heey, heeeey!... make love, not war :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Pureghetto...Quote:
Originally Posted by Breine
/attacks
I never understood the trinity thing. It makes no sense to me.
As a Jew, I believe that Jesus was only a good person who wanted to reform the Jewish Clergy when it was corrupt 2000 years ago. God is omnipotent as well as omnipresent. Carpenter against the king of kings, I think god wins.
Yes Berry, we are awesome. :D
Many other religions often criticize Christianity for being tritheistic, though it shows a misunderstanding of the Trinity. Basically, there is the Godhead that is divided into three "persons" as it were: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In orthodox Christianity and most Christian sects, all three persons are considered to be of the same substance, namely God. That means Jesus is considered both human and divine (both characteristics are important when discussing Jesus as a means of salvation). Though various "heresies" argue that Jesus was solely human, or solely divine, or that the Son was created after the other two persons, or of a different substance than the Father or Holy Spirit.Quote:
Originally Posted by qwertyxsora
Lol at the pot calling the kettle black.
People are oh so much fun to watch when agitated.
God is full of vengeance and jealousy, so I will place my bet with him.
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Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
HAHAHA OH WOW!Quote:
Oh and this entire thread isnt an incredible insult by itself?
Jesus would clearly lose.
Jesus isn't God. He's god's son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
No where in the Bible is there a mention of the "Trinity."
I'm a godless atheist, so what I say here has no relation to my actual spiritual beliefs:
Let's assume God and Christ are one and the same, as part of the Holy Trinity. It mightn't be expressly stated as such in the Bible, but it's been accepted as true by Christianity for long enough. But while Christ and God might be the same person, Christ was still created by God, and created in order to die. Therefore, God was able to 'defeat' Christ from the very moment of Christ's creation. It was God's plan for Christ to die for humanity's sins; God's will prevailed over anything Christ might've wanted to decide for himself. That'd mean that, technically, God > Christ, regardless of whether Christ was a monophysite being or a blend of Man and Divine.
A religion is not only define by its scriptures. There are plethora of theological works that help define the basis of religious thought. For example, Christianity would not be what it is today without the works of Origen, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, etc...To say that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority would fall into fundamentalism, which only represents a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarmiglione
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What you said is not the orthodox position. The Son had always existed at the same time as the Father and the Holy Ghost. There are heresies in which it is believed that the Son came after the Father and the Holy Ghost but long before Creation. But if we are speaking from a strictly orthodox position, then I cannot see how it is possible to say God defeated Jesus since, in essence they are the same. Then again, I am unfamiliar with the depths of Christian theology and working from memory of stuff I was taught when studying the early Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Well then why isn't it called Origenianity, Augustinism, or Aquinasism?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanA religion is not only define by its scriptures. There are plethora of theological works that help define the basis of religious thought. For example, Christianity would not be what it is today without the works of Origen, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, etc...To say that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority would fall into fundamentalism, which only represents a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarmiglione
'Cause it's not about those people. It's about Christ. You don't re-name an entire subject every time someone adds something new to it, or analyses it in greater detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarmiglioneWell then why isn't it called Origenianity, Augustinism, or Aquinasism?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanA religion is not only define by its scriptures. There are plethora of theological works that help define the basis of religious thought. For example, Christianity would not be what it is today without the works of Origen, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, etc...To say that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority would fall into fundamentalism, which only represents a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarmiglione
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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
That's not what I was disputing. I was arguing that the Bible should be the sole source of a [pure] Chrisitian's religious views. When people add their beliefs and then that becomes a religious authority, then the religion is changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Because they are not founding a separate tradition, just elaborating on it? Also the fact that they viewed themselves as Christians?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarmiglioneWell then why isn't it called Origenianity, Augustinism, or Aquinasism?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanA religion is not only define by its scriptures. There are plethora of theological works that help define the basis of religious thought. For example, Christianity would not be what it is today without the works of Origen, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, etc...To say that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority would fall into fundamentalism, which only represents a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarmiglione
There you go with your third humorous option. Always with the third humorous option. But yeah, I agree. *smite*Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien
As Klyklops made this thread about deities fighting, and Kylyklops is now banned... does that mean he was smote?
Haha xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Dolentrean
oddler did it because he wasn't satisfied with the way he wasn't included in the original question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolentrean
And so the thread spirals off topic.
Seriously though, what were we trying to achieve in this topic and how many people were actually serious?
I don't really care about who got banned or whatever. We are talking GODzilla vs Christ here! (no offense intended)
Wouldn't this topic go really in-depth though (if we are being serious)? People's opinions could be changed by their religious beliefs after all. Which would probably end up in a religious debate. Also, wouldn't we have to look up who Jesus and God really are for a lead to the answer?
Total Cereal in my General Chat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhyo
I choose you, Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Dude, we're talking about Jesus and God brawling with each other. It couldn't be any less serious.
Family feud much?
Why can I imagine the both of them in a retro street-fighter game?
And yes, it is possibly the family feud of the century (eat your heart out Bert Newton).
The two posts above mine= :up:
'I and the Father are one' - Jesus.
They are one and the same. Jesus was one 'the Angel of the Lord' before he had flesh. He appeared several times (including to Moses, Abram, Israel, etc.)
For Klyklops: You may not believe in God; but I have a difficult time seeing how you could not believe that Jesus existed. Read a history book...then maybe the bible. D:
Any questions about this - PM me. <3
Why wont you listen to me?
Steiner is God, you war mongering infidels!
Im going to have to indoctrinate you now. I didnt want to, but you made me do it:
Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God Steiner is God
And in a more subtle attempt....
.doG si renietS
Gleam from it what you will. Its just a cool sounding catch-phrase.
This is a wierd thread.
The answer is neither. It's irrelevant because they would never fight each other because they are the same person. Jesus is God in a human body.
Why are people assuming that the God mentioned is the Christian God?
Its blatantly Steiner. You people have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
:choc2:Dancing chocobo owns all!!!!!!:choc2:
So what, can this thread turn into a deity brawl or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
ALLAH vs. SHIVA
FIGHT~
(Also, to answer the thread's question, such a situation is impossible since both entities are the same in the Christian sense. But if we're talking hypothetically here, God would win.)
Also:
http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/god-jesus.jpg
Typically, "God" (with capital G) refers to the Judeo-Christian idea of divinity. Though sometimes when translating the term Brahman into English, it is translated as "God" as well. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
^Aah, but thats being typical.
And only infidels are typical. The masses have always been mislead throughout time. Pah, the Judeo-Christian God is no more worthy a God than any other and thus he has no right to bear the assumption of power placed on the pedestal of the masses. They elevate him beyond his worth. Be that as it may it is not an issue of much worriment. For the ignorance of the masses means that their very support undermines the Judeo-Christian God's sole cause for power, destroying his future as the ruins of his once great house crumble into dust.
Now, having made my point with an infinite elegance and grace I shall retire, lest I be over wrought with drowsiness. Nevertheless there remains but one important message to convey.
Vote Steiner for President!
How about, the implicit understanding of the majority of Western society, whose history is quite intertwined with Christianity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
^I do not think that the meaning of the term God should reach the stage in Western societies where it is meant to assume the Judeo-Christian one only and not any of the others. Thats not just close-minded, its arrogant. People should talk about God as an encompassing hypthothesis that encompasses the Judeo-Christian God as well as many other Gods.
Yes and no. I say yes, for I see your point, yet I mostly lean towards no. It has been the convention when translating the Bible into English that God is written with a capital "G". There is no denying the influence that Christianity has had on Western society (and vice-versa); it is an irrevocable part of Western history. It is not a rule that "God" can only mean the Judeo-Christian, rather it is what is normally being referred to. As I said before, in translations of Sanskrit texts, the word Brahman is often translated as "God". Plus if you look at other religious traditions and their focus of worship, the nomenclature is completely different. Often with Islam, we use Allah, though God is equally acceptable. In Taoism, the focus is moved to the Dao. Shinto, various kami's who have their own name are used. Hinduism, with the exception of Brahman and its translation, usually the name of the deities are used. Buddhism, while not focused on worshipping gods (devas), when referring to specific buddhas, Buddha is often capitalized. Other traditions have "actual names", as it were, for the focus of their worship, thus following English grammar, is spelt with a capital letter like a proper name should be. In Christianity, "God" just so happens to be the name we use for the Judeo-Christian idea of divine, thus we follow the grammatical protocols and capitalize it. So it is neither arrogance or narrow-mindedness, rather following convention and the grammatical structure of the language. God is a proper name; god is a noun referring to the concept of divinity (usually in a masculine or gender neutral sense).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
God would smite Jesus with level over nine thousand smite.
Look at it this way....
This thread is entirely opinion. No proof. I seriously doubt that anyone here is going to change their opinion based off of something another member posts...especially when calling them infidels. :p
It takes faith. One person can look at the universe and call it creation - someone else can see the same things and say 'How lucky am I to think, breathe and feel...I'm little more than stardust. 3=
If you've never read the bible/Koran, etc. and claim 'there is no God' to me, you're little more than a parrot squacking a phrase you've heard 1,001 times. I; however, have difficulty believing that because of the life experiences of dozens of people I've seen transformed because of their faith.
John 5:18-20 - For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.
A serious post in the general chat section? I never thought I'd see the day!
Oh and Jesus would obviously win. He'd bust a few moves on God's ass.
Aaah, I never really realised the distinction between 'God' and 'god.' Thats a point. Nevertheless, God shouldnt still purely refer to the Judeo-Christian one, although I can accept the assumptions made.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanYes and no. I say yes, for I see your point, yet I mostly lean towards no. It has been the convention when translating the Bible into English that God is written with a capital "G". There is no denying the influence that Christianity has had on Western society (and vice-versa); it is an irrevocable part of Western history. It is not a rule that "God" can only mean the Judeo-Christian, rather it is what is normally being referred to. As I said before, in translations of Sanskrit texts, the word Brahman is often translated as "God". Plus if you look at other religious traditions and their focus of worship, the nomenclature is completely different. Often with Islam, we use Allah, though God is equally acceptable. In Taoism, the focus is moved to the Dao. Shinto, various kami's who have their own name are used. Hinduism, with the exception of Brahman and its translation, usually the name of the deities are used. Buddhism, while not focused on worshipping gods (devas), when referring to specific buddhas, Buddha is often capitalized. Other traditions have "actual names", as it were, for the focus of their worship, thus following English grammar, is spelt with a capital letter like a proper name should be. In Christianity, "God" just so happens to be the name we use for the Judeo-Christian idea of divine, thus we follow the grammatical protocols and capitalize it. So it is neither arrogance or narrow-mindedness, rather following convention and the grammatical structure of the language. God is a proper name; god is a noun referring to the concept of divinity (usually in a masculine or gender neutral sense).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just by reading this page you can see the different Gods there are.
In the realm of heaven everyone is a winner