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I am so pleased. I can't wait to tell all my BaracK Obama luvin' friends. :bigsmile:
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I am so pleased. I can't wait to tell all my BaracK Obama luvin' friends. :bigsmile:
Now just to see if Clinton will get her ego under control and accept to be running mates.
Dear God, I hope not. She needs to just exit the political scene. Like, forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Raven
I agree with MILF. She doesn't need to be the running mate, though as it would appear, that is a viable option. However, I think Obama would benefit more from someone who is either from the Western States or the South. It's now a matter of getting all the votes possible, and there's no need to alienate anyone. McCain seems to have had more time in considering a running mate, but then again, we've got what, two more months before a decision? As for Hillary's fate, that's going to have to be decided by the main players now in the Democratic Party. I don't care what happens to her, as long as she's not vindictive enough, and gives her support base to Obama.
By the way, I like my coffee with cream and sugar. The thread subtopic is now whether you like coffee with cream or sugar. Politics can wait until you are awake.
Coffee sounds good...
Maybe tea. Mm!
I'm with MILF. Clinton seemed like a very... Republican Democrat. I'm not sexist towards politics. But she's not the gal we need. And I've nothing against a black president. So nyah
Hope you guys watched his speech last night.
Do you have a link to it? I'm curious...Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
so uh, they picked him? that's cool.
maybe he'll pick ron paul to be his running mate!
I'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
I think thatguy looks cool, I was watchign him today on the tv. He kept thanking people and in the end he was like "I also thank my Grandmother". I roffle waffled. :p
I said this in the last thread about this nonsense, but I hope Obama loses. He won't, but if he did, the reactions of the internet will be priceless. I will live on their tears for weeks.
Technically I think he's still just the 'presumptive' one, since the convention won't happen for a while. He has the delegates, though, to have secured it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
Hillary hasn't stepped down yet though.
I didn't see it, but you can read a transcript hereQuote:
Originally Posted by RyeI'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
Obama's speech on the occasion of becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee for the President of the United States
It's very inspiring.
I really hope he doesn't take Clinton on as VP. All of the stuff that's happened during the primaries has destroyed her credibility as a candidate and I doubt she could be trusted in office.
I, too, want the most powerful country in the world to elect the poorer choice, solely on the basis that I would laugh :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Yeah, just like electing Bush was the poorer choice because he was going to drop nukes on Iran and North Korea and stuff.
...Oh.
I'll let you in on a little secret: Clinton, Obama and McCain are exactly the same.
The chances of Clinton being VP are slim. Especially after thatshe pulled last night.
Saying Clinton and Obama are the same is one thing; their policies are similar. But McCain? That's total horse
I was going to say something along those lines, but instead I made lunch :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILFI, too, want the most powerful country in the world to elect the poorer choice, solely on the basis that I would laugh :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Everything about that... just, no.
Obama still seems to represent the typical patriotic American who thinks that his country is Earths last hopes (he honestly said that). He wants to keep the American mentality that there the best, and that for a start shows that America is going nowhere. Im happier that he secured the Democratic nominee but at least Hilary didnt spend every oppotunity she had to get up on stage and say America just to give everyone a reason to scream at the top of their voice.
Hey if you guys want to believe that they're not all about middle of the road catch-all policies designed to get votes and secure political funding then go for it.
That was incredibly inspiring, and classy, at that. I appreciate classiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by HsuTechnically I think he's still just the 'presumptive' one, since the convention won't happen for a while. He has the delegates, though, to have secured it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
Hillary hasn't stepped down yet though.
I didn't see it, but you can read a transcript hereQuote:
Originally Posted by RyeI'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
Obama's speech on the occasion of becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee for the President of the United States
It's very inspiring.
I really hope he doesn't take Clinton on as VP. All of the stuff that's happened during the primaries has destroyed her credibility as a candidate and I doubt she could be trusted in office.
It's better seen than read, I'm sure. I don't know if it's quite as good as his Iowa speech, but it was still pretty great.
Umm, they aren't. McCain has been quite loud about wanting to prolong military operations in the Gulf. That's definitely not middle of the road. That'll catch you about 40% of the American population, if that. On the other side of the spectrum, Obama is basing most of his campaign on change in the weather of politics. That's not very status quo, that's pretty exactly NOT the middle of the road. He's driving on the shoulder and cutting off the police officer. And Hillary? Okay, you can have her as being middle of the road with policies for "everyone." You can have her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
You seem to be ignoring how they feel about the issues and also the fact that Clinton is a plain-faced liar. (yes okay all politicians are liars hur hur but she said things to stir up support that were just complete fabrications)Quote:
Originally Posted by Psy
But McCain has been
Dreddz: I haven't noticed that so much. I'd imagine anything like that would probably be trying to get back from all the backlash he received from such unpatriotic things as
1) Not wearing a flag lapel pin
2) I don't know what else
But on the whole, like I said, I haven't seen it. I might just be numb to it by now with how everyone spouts it.
Don't hate me for saying this, and i'm not trying to disrespect him or anything but he reminds me of Hitler o.o I don't know what he supports but damn he talks pretty. Don't get me wrong I like him, will probably vote for him but I don't know why....
Murphy's Law
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I love how you hopped on that Rye :D 'Cept i was more of talking about policies rather than just race. Also I was refering to the subject of how millions of Germans didn't know what was going on during the holocaust. Sorry I didn't specify for ya honey. But we're not talking about the exact thing and comparing the two of them in this thread. I was merely stating the fact that from the way Obama talks I can't gather much from him but it's inspirational.
Yeah, okay, they differ on a couple of issues. Although I think what everyone is saying about McCain's views on Iraq are being sensationalised. Here's a quote from the man himself.
The following are conditions I intend to achieve. ... By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. ... The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role."
He wants the same thing Obama does - less US troops in Iraq, and no more fighting there. He just wants it done less rapidly than Obama does. That hardly makes him a crazy warmonger.
But let's look at other issues. Where do all three stand on the economy? Apparently they plan to strengthen the middle classes. Where do they stand on climate change? They all support a mandatory cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions. Where do they stand on immigration? They all support a path to legalisation for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines. Iran? They all think tighter sanctions should be imposed, international co-operation utilised, and none have ruled out military action.
The thing I will say about McCain is that he apparently wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade and yeah that makes him a bit of a nutter in my eyes.
I think I will end up this post with a quote that sums all of this up perfectly: Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
Honey, she added one in there as I was typing xD As a person who isn't really into politics listening to a really long speech where the first ten minutes are how great it was getting this far..... yeah i'm gonna close that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouch!Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
And dear god i'm not bashing the guy, i'm gonna freaking vote for him and I was going to from the start. I was just trying to bring the point that he's persuasive like Hitler was. I wasn't saying he was going to kill off a bunch of people or anything. Just saying he has the power to sway the people.
EDIT: nor do I want to read it. It looked too long. and I'm lazy
Oh, right. McCain knows what he's talking about.:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Anyway, I can't tell you how excited I am for Obama to have gotten the necessary delegates. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, though I'm not sure how much he can change, he seems to have the biggest drive of any candidate to actually try to change things. After 8 years of idiocy, change would be nice.
Additionally, it would be stupid for Obama to pick HRC as his VP candidate. Approx 50% of voters have a negative view of Clinton, some of those enough so that people would not vote for Obama, and a lot of Clinton supporters dislike Obama so much that even if she was teh VP they wouldn't vote democratic.
This subject seems pretty loaded from the replies in this thread. The only thing missing is someone quoting Manus and bashing Murphy's law. :)
Psychotic is absolutely right and I agree with him entirely. Obama and Clinton differ very little. I think I too would chuckle to myself slightly if Obama lost, but I don't actively hope for it. I'd rather Obama won, but merely because I prefer him to McCain. However, I think McCain will win. I've said several times that I've grown sick and tired of all the Obama lovin' Clinton hatin' on the Internet and I can't be bothered to go into it again, quite frankly. However, I still see Obama as being very much like David Cameron. There's a lot of style, a lot of nice words and a lot of good ideas there, but very few policies to back those up. Change is a great thing and I think it's something American (and indeed Britain) needs, but so far I'm seeing little more than a word. Different than Bush, certainly. But politics run and pursued differently? I'm fairly doubtful.
All politicans contradict themselves. It's pretty much unavoidable, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouded Sky
Oh very much yes. Obama and Cameron are kindred spirits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
Also, EoFF, you are the worst. The laughing at Obama fanatics thing was a light-hearted throwaway comment and I trusted none of you to take it seriously, and now look how low you've made me sink. I'm debating politics on the internet.
In conclusion, Barack Hussein Obama is a crazy muslim terrist who will destroy our freedom and also I am pretty sure he sells crack to kids. Also, cats are vermin, anime sucks, and I hate gay marriage. :cool:
What's wrong with anime :mad2:
Oh Psy, I love you. I will be very sad if McCain wins, but I can always move if that happens.
But seriously Paul,
YOU WIN!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
You picked the wrong saloon to pick a fight at, partner. These colors don't run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
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For the honor of my Cowboy Bebop DVD collection, I curse at you!
Anime sucks because it's unrealistic. It's all in Japanese. Who the hell speaks Japanese? :confused:
Honestly...I think I would prefer Obama winning to McCain. But I do not think McCain is as bad as he is portrayed by the internet community. I do dig a couple of his policies.
Thanks for reminding my over half my collection got jacked, and my Bebop was part of it. :cry: (Though oddly they didn't take the movie.)Quote:
Originally Posted by HsuYou picked the wrong saloon to pick a fight at, partner. These colors don't run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
http://www.expectnomore.net/images/A...g-Animated.gif
For the honor of my Cowboy Bebop DVD collection, I curse at you!
For the Honor of my lost Bebop, and my near complete collection of Miyazaki, I shall join in the cursing.
I used to be a big fan of McCain, and I wonder if a lot of the stuff he's saying now is just a ruse to get the conservative vote so he can return to his old stances once he's in office. I mean, a once-POW who used to be staunchly anti-torture showing support during the water-boarding fiasco raises some eyebrows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I'm skeptical over the 'change' that all these politicians are promising to make happen immediately after they gain power. Gordon Brown didn't shut up about his 'Age of Change' when he was appointed, and now the recent bi-elections turned into more of a 'bye-bye' election.
tl;dr I'm not left wing
And ignore the other 50% that may have a negative view of Obama for the sake of making a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouded Sky
I'll be voting for Obama over McCain, but he still makes me really nervous. He talks pretty, but hasn't done much to convince me that he has anything substantial behind his glorious speeches about change. Worse yet, his supporters act like religious fanatics. I'm honestly just getting tired of all the Obama hype and Clinton bashing going on.
I, for one, would feel much more comfortable voting for him if Clinton's on the ticket. It's unlikely that it will happen, but I think it's the best option to keep the party united. I really doubt that Obama would lose enough votes for choosing her to worry about his chances at winning the election. His supporters are going to vote for him either way.
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Originally Posted by Germ HameeAnd ignore the other 50% that may have a negative view of Obama for the sake of making a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouded Sky
Oh, I'm sorry? Did this not make sense. There were no statistics in the article, but there are a ton of people that won't vote for Obama even if he is paired with Hilary because they dislike him, and another significant chunk that wouldn't vote for Obama if HRC was the VP because they dislike her. So really, putting those two together would be a disaster because then you ostracize two large blocks of voters as opposed to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouded Sky
Sorry, that wasn't directed so much at you as it was at Carter.
Obama supporters will do whatever Obama tells them to do.
I'm voting No Confidence in November unless I'm impressed by a third-party candidate. Or I'll vote for that lady on the street here that's running because I sure as hell like her more than I like Obama or McCain.
If you're too lazy to read through a relatively short speech (and thus render yourself unable to respond with an informed opinion), it's probably best that you not not make such strong comparisons. It's inviting people to tear you apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by LekanaHoney, she added one in there as I was typing xD As a person who isn't really into politics listening to a really long speech where the first ten minutes are how great it was getting this far..... yeah i'm gonna close that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouch!Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
And dear god i'm not bashing the guy, i'm gonna freaking vote for him and I was going to from the start. I was just trying to bring the point that he's persuasive like Hitler was. I wasn't saying he was going to kill off a bunch of people or anything. Just saying he has the power to sway the people.
EDIT: nor do I want to read it. It looked too long. and I'm lazy
Also, as I mentioned earlier, every politician has the power to sway the people. You can't be a good politician unless you possess such an ability.
Clinton is a female WASP Democrat. Obama is a male black Hawaiian Muslim Protestant Democrat. McCain is a male WASP Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
They're so different it's RIDICULOUS.
Also, politics in GC?
There's nothing quite as beautiful as seeing an American politics thread in GC getting troll'd by a British CK.
I knew he'd win over Hillary. And all the doubters said no no no. Doubt no more bishes. And I wish people would stop being lame. The guy can't do anything without people labeling him as a terrorist or some crap like that. He can't want to go to Iran without people thinking he's against the Israelis and he can't not wear his flag pin for sake of being anti-American. Enough already.
On the news today they showed a quite frankly depressing statistic; apparently the popularity between Obama and McCain is even stevens. Seriously, if we end up with another right-wing religious nut in power I'm just heading straight for the nearest bomb bunker.
McCain is right-wing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Maxx Power
Politics never gives you good choices.
If any of you are thinking, "Who can help the country the most?" you are asking yourself the wrong question. When it comes to politics the question is simply, "Who will do the least harm?"
It comes down to the "lesser of two evils." Basically we have the very experienced McCain versus the very inexperienced Obama.
But in the end, if the Democrats somehow lose this election, I will laugh my azz off. I don't think Obama is a good candidate, but better than Clinton. McCain wasn't my favorite on the other side either. But if I had to choose one, which I do, I'll vote for McCain. Though my vote will basically mean nothing, cause I'm from Massachusetts lol
btw
http://www.racerocks.com/racerock/ed...ormalcurve.jpg
that's the bell curve for people's opinions in this country. Majority of people are in the middle. If you want to know where Obama and McCain are.... they're as close to the center as they can be. You could say Obama is slightly to the left, and McCain slightly to the right, but in no way do we have polar candidates. They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not. The facts that separate people's opinions in this country are so tiny.
THE JACKEL
One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Man, this sounds like a cop movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by DenmarkOne is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!Quote:
Originally Posted by DenmarkOne is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
THE JACKEL
Now you're just being facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!Quote:
Originally Posted by DenmarkOne is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
THE JACKAL
ok granted I was being a bit extreme, but if the only real difference is the color of their skin... then there is no real difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureghettoNow you're just being facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!Quote:
Originally Posted by DenmarkOne is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
THE JACKAL
I HATE THAT. All I ever hear about is how people want equality and blah blah. Yet a female runs for president and all we hear about is how she's a woman. A black man runs for president, and all we hear about is how it's a black man. It shouldn't matter if they're black or female. They're a candidate. And until people start looking at them like that, we're just perpetuating the issue.
And what bothers me the most is... Would Obama really be as far as he is, if he wasn't "black." I mean, he's as good a candidate as any the democrats could offer, but really.... he only stands out from the others because he is "black." Clinton only stood out because she's female.
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Originally Posted by Captain Maxx Power
Obama could be revolutionary. And America needs a revolution because, event though not all Americans realise it, almost everyone outside America hates them or thinks they are stupid morons.
McCain on the other hand wouldnt be revolutionary. He'd be better than Bush - that's not hard, but he still would do nothing to promote enthusiams towards America from foreign countries. In fact, his stance on foreign policy sounds like he'd only exacerbate the problem.
In terms of economy, most economists seem to think that Obama's policies are better. At least, thats what some right-wing economist said on the news yesterday.
In terms of integrity and judgement (the War in Iraq), I think Obama has more of it. The problem for Obama though is that he wont get elected if he doesnt play the game a little bit. It seems that voter in America will go for people who are as centre as possible. And thats why McCain and Obama are both going for the middle ground. In reality, Obama is further to the left than he appears and McCain is further to the right.
I don't get why so many people have their head in the clouds about this. Barack Obama isn't about revolutionizing anything. He talks a big game, he talks about change, but what are his plans, y'all? What legislation has he enacted in his political past that was so revolutionary?
Nothing. He's a run of the mill politician, he's a run of the mill candidate and he'll be a run of the mill President. I don't have a big problem with Obama, even though I think he's very vague and that he has no plans (and that's really smurfing scary) but I have a huge problem with his fanatical supporters who think he's going to save the United States.
He'll be average at best and that's all he'll be. Strap yourselves in for disappointment, folks, because he ain't the next JFK.
Obama has talked about his policies a lot. You're just oblivious to them. Granted, he's not fixed into one policy, but thats a good thing. He listens to the people, to his advisers and so on, and if he stands true to that kind of leadership then it would be excellent. You could try looking at his website, he's bound to have specific policies on there. I remember him talking very specifically in one debate - shame you weren't there.
As a politician, firstly he is young so he hasnt had much time to do anything. Also, he had very little power. If he had tried to get some of those schemes to work they would have just fallen flat on their faces. He's not naive in that respect. He realises that the only way you can change Washington is by gaining enough power to do so - by becoming President.
Obama hasn't passed one piece of legislation. Sure it's easy to SAY what you stand for. But he hasn't proved anything about what he stands for. Most politicians have political backgrounds with bills they've passed and proposed. Obama has basically nothing to his name.
THE JACKEL
She needs to exit the living scene. Sweet Jesus, I hate that woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILFDear God, I hope not. She needs to just exit the political scene. Like, forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Raven
Okay. Aside from the obvious counter that if he never did anything the people of Illinois wouldn't have elevated him to the US Senate, one of the most prestigious elected positions in the country, Obama has done plenty.
Politicati: What has Obama accomplished? - Politics, News and more from the Democratic Mind of Politicati
I agree with the general sentiments here; it shouldn't matter what someone's race, religion or gender is, what should matter is how well they'll do the job they're up for. However having said that, if the fact that someone is black or a woman has encouraged people who might not normally take an interest in politics to take an interest in politics and inform themselves on the issues or get involved politically, I think there's at least a good by-product there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Obama has avoided talking lobbyists' money throughout his campaign and now he is asking the whole DNC to do the same. That's probably already a step in the right direction.
I find it interesting that people can just lie off their faces and get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Take a look at I'm my Own Milf's brilliant link:
Politicati: What has Obama accomplished? - Politics, News and more from the Democratic Mind of Politicati
Who's lying? The article, or you?